Anyone with a half a brain will not have "666" stamped on their forehead and expect to fool people into believing he/she is the second coming.
So how will we know "666" when we see it? What form will it take?
Julie
I figure that it comes right after 665 and if you're at 667 or above, you've gone too far.
Same form it took in the beginning, the authors imagination. We don't need no stinking anti-Christ to destroy the world, we're doing fine on our own.
/// 661, down the block and across the street from the Beast myself
Quote from: tekla on August 19, 2009, 03:09:28 PM
/// 661, down the block and across the street from the Beast myself
Kat, that explains SO much!!! >:-)
He's a good neighbor, doesn't have any cars up on blocks in his front yard, keeps the grass mowed and the hedges trimmed. Sometimes the parties get a bit loud and I don't like going over there, he keeps the house so damn hot.
Quote from: tekla on August 19, 2009, 03:46:08 PM
He's a good neighbor, doesn't have any cars up on blocks in his front yard, keeps the grass mowed and the hedges trimmed. Sometimes the parties get a bit loud and I don't like going over there, he keeps the house so damn hot.
Yeah, but I bet he never plays "Devil Went Down to Georgia"...
Yeah, but I bet he never plays "Devil Went Down to Georgia"...
Nah, everyone knows the devil plays blues. Robert Johnson in particular. In fact, my idea of hell is someplace where they would play Charlie Daniels all the time.
So much for your topic Julie. You should know better than to try to discuss anything serious, especially in a "Christian" area.
Sarah L.
Ok, its commonly assumed that 666 either represents the tipple threat - six being the number of evil and imperfection in the Jewish Kabbalistic tradition, so that 666 would represent the Antichrist's control of religious, political and social institutions. And such a person would come as a man of peace.
More likely is that given the numerology of the Greek alphabet (and the Revelation of John the Divine is written in Greek in the original, the standard language of learning) you can spell out people names in Greek assign them the number values (called gematria) and what you wind up with is that 666 is Caesar Nero, who is most likely who John is writing about, but of course, if you wrote bad things about the Romans, they killed you, and none to quickly either, so such writings were done in code. That numerology stuff has been played out in Aramaic too, with similar results.
The time works out well for Nero also, and to the degree that Rome was burned to the ground during his reign, that may well have been the end of the world.
Of course the The Apocalypse according to Peter, suppressed from the Bible by the Council of Nicaea has a more detailed description, but only fragments of that work survive.
http://reluctant-messenger.com/apocalypse-of-peter.htm (http://reluctant-messenger.com/apocalypse-of-peter.htm)
The most interesting bit of the 666 Antichrist is that not even Lucifer - the smartest of the angels - knows who the person is, and that leads to the speculation that the Antichrist might not even know themselves that they are the Antichrist.
But for this to come to pass, the temple must exist, and it does not. If - and when, because it's highly unlikely - the temple is rebuilt there will be a peace treaty set for 7 years that will only last for 3 and a half, if you get to that point, duck.
Quote from: tekla on August 19, 2009, 04:50:10 PM
Ok, its commonly assumed that 666 either represents the tipple threat - six being the number of evil and imperfection in the Jewish Kabbalistic tradition, so that 666 would represent the Antichrist's control of religious, political and social institutions. And such a person would come as a man of peace.
More likely is that given the numerology of the Greek alphabet (and the Revelation of John the Divine is written in Greek in the original, the standard language of learning) you can spell out people names in Greek assign them the number values (called gematria) and what you wind up with is that 666 is Caesar Nero, who is most likely who John is writing about, but of course, if you wrote bad things about the Romans, they killed you, and none to quickly either, so such writings were done in code. That numerology stuff has been played out in Aramaic too, with similar results.
The time works out well for Nero also, and to the degree that Rome was burned to the ground during his reign, that may well have been the end of the world.
Of course the The Apocalypse according to Peter, suppressed from the Bible by the Council of Nicaea has a more detailed description, but only fragments of that work survive.
http://reluctant-messenger.com/apocalypse-of-peter.htm (http://reluctant-messenger.com/apocalypse-of-peter.htm)
The most interesting bit of the 666 Antichrist is that not even Lucifer - the smartest of the angels - knows who the person is, and that leads to the speculation that the Antichrist might not even know themselves that they are the Antichrist.
But for this to come to pass, the temple must exist, and it does not. If - and when, because it's highly unlikely - the temple is rebuilt there will be a peace treaty set for 7 years that will only last for 3 and a half, if you get to that point, duck.
Too bad you didn't write this earlier tekla as your sarcastic postings kinda spoiled the topic for those who found it interesting.
-={LR}=-
Some conspiracy theorists ( aka Nuts ) think we are already there. According the the theory it is the social security number. 123-45-6789. Rearranged them and guess what? 123-456-789. 666 is 18, divided by the number of 6's ( 3 ) equals 9. The same number as are in the SSN of Americans.
Could it be that America will be the birth place of the Beast? Doubt it. But it is something to think about.
Janet
The apocalypse of Peter as referenced by Tekla has this passage that I believe is describing Hell.
32 And other men and women being cast down from a great rock (precipice) fell (came) to the bottom, and again were driven by them that were set over them, to go up upon the rock, and thence were cast down to the bottom and had no rest from this torment. And these were they that did defile their bodies behaving as women: and the women that were with them were they that lay with one another as a man with a woman.
Just imagine how difficult it would have been for us if this made it into the Bible!
I have a totally different opinion of Peter now... Not a good one.
Maggie
I think you would know it if you saw it in a mirror...
Well we live in a divided age, when faith and science have really split and its become impossible to really believe in both anymore. I side with science, in the rational, empirical world, and find the constant reference to superstition and metaphysics to be dangerous.
And we're talk 'bout Revelations here, so I'll quote from myself.
The other thing I did, which several people have though was slightly weird - others understand the true brilliance of it - is that the bibles in my house had the Revelation of John (the Apocalypse in the Catholic bibles I used) cut out of them. I did not want my kids to read that anytime before they had finished college, preferably not until they had finished their PhDs and could arm themselves against the most dangerous and deadly book ever written.
No book ever written has been more dangerous than this one. Dangerous to others, and dangerous to the reader. For anyone who thinks that books are just words and are not dangerous, I would offer up the Revelation of John as a pretty good reason why some books ought to be banned, or at least kept under very strict control.
And, its not because it's bad, hell no. Only the Song of Solomon had a better writer. In terms of Literature, nothing else compares to the Revelation of John in its vision (and oh boy was he seeing visions), its style, its increadible use of symbolism, and its end message. I doubt that any work ever done in any language save the Tao Te Ching has as many possible meanings as the Revelation. It has as many meanings as it has readers. Which is what makes it dangerous. Where meaning in the Tao is largely good - contemplating your existence and how you work with the world rather than against it - the meaning of John is the most horrible blood soaked death trip ever. It is profoundly negative.
A bunch of people were having a discussion about the most horrible thing you could ever do to anyone, and they had thought up some pretty horrible stuff, real gruesome, real mean, incredibility complex but I won with my simple idea. If I really hated someone, I mean really hated them I'd give them a massive dose of pure lysergic acid diethylamide-25, and lock them in a room with nothing but the Book of Revelations. They would either kill themselves, or come out and kill everyone else. Either way, they would be out of their mind, insane crazy forever.
David Koresh's Branch Davidians in Waco Texas, that's the Book of Revelations at work. Why did that whole Waco deal go down like it did? Because they were either going to die, or they were going to go on a killing spree, and I think that's why the government acted as they did (I would have suggested a different tactic, but even then I think the end result would have been the same). Why? Because if you read it, and believe it - then nothing matters. Nothing. Nothing you do, or ever can do, is going to change the end as it is written, and as its written the end is nothing you want to be around for. But written it is, and that's the way it is. There is a finality to Revelations, perhaps the final finality that makes all of life pointless and meaningless. Which in turn, makes it very dangerous.
Tekla,
An amazing piece of insight. Well done!
Maggie
The bible says in Revelation 14:9- "And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand"
Most people, aside from the random nut who thinks it would be cool, would never have a bar code or number tattooed or branded on their hand. Much less their forehead. That would obviously be taking the mark of the beast. Then comes the micro chip theory. Every one will be required to get a microchip implant into the hand or forehead. If you refuse to take the Visible mark or micro chip, i.e. "The Mark of the Beast" You will not be able to buy or sell. Revelation 13:16,17- 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Still Christians and the vast majority of the population would balk at having a chip implant. Even as naive as some of them are they still would associate it with taking the mark.
So here's my theory. If I subscribed to this belief or if I in fact were the "beast" wishing to covertly force everyone to take my mark I would not require anyone to take any sort of obvious branding. What is one thing that is unique to each person? Your palm print or you retina. I would maneuver myself into key positions in a strategic order.
First: Trust. I would establish myself as a person to trust among all parties regardless of their religious or political persuasions. This could be done by offering the world something tangible like a new life changing technology or philanthropic undertaking.
Second: Merge into a position of authority. When people trust you they are more apt to accept what you say and advise as gospel and good direction.
Third: Assume a position of power. With trust, authority, and power you could implement a control system.
Onec you do this you can use systems already in place. Say you have a job thats part of the "network". At then end of the week your pay is transferred electronically to your bank/credit account. Next you go to your friendly neighborhood Walmart and pick up a few necessities. Only Walmart no longer accepts credit/debit cards or cash because those tools of commerce are too easy to steal and/or forge. They only accept payment from people who are in the "network" So how do you pay? Simple, you scan your items then after you've scanned all items... you place your hand on the scanner or look directly into an eye level scanner and... " Welcome Mrs. So-and-so! your total is 48 credits. This amount has been deducted from your account.Thank you for shopping at Walmart."
The mark in your hand? Palm print scanned by a biometric scanner. Your forehead? Isn't that where your eyes are located?
Just by taking a job in the "network" You took the mark and didn't even know it.
Scary ain't it?
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Just finished my post and saw your post, Kat. Sheer brilliance my friend sheer brilliance! If I had any bibles out where my kids could get to them I may very well do the same.
I did not find it any more dangerous than reading dull oliver twist. Depressing yes, dangerous no. Not particulalry significant without belief. Fearing it is like worrying that associating with gay people will make you gay. If you think that way lots of things are a danger to you. If you are prone to thinking too hard and too long and too narrow I don't think happyness is for you.
And see, that's the problem with it, it can mean whatever you want. Hell, there are days I think the mark of the beast is the white LA on a Dodger blue baseball cap - its even on the forehead - and before you dismiss that, I'm sure there were a lot of people in the 1940s who felt the eagle with the swastika underneath came pretty close to the mark of darkest evil. And for millions of them, they were right.
Every generation since John wrote his Revelations saw the signs in their present time. Every single one of them has been wrong to date.
What if your a NY Yankees fan who likes Calif. Burritos, gardening and bicycles? Should you have your head shaved and checked for numbers? :laugh:
The Bible has lots of symbolism. It can be very confusing. Instead, let's look at what we do know:
1) The "mark of the beast" (whatever that mark may be) will be placed upon the right hand or forehead. Since we don't know what 666 actually represents, it is safe to assume that even an invisible mark or one not detectable by normal human senses, could be the mark of the best. This could include chemicals, computer technology, nanotechnology, et cetera. Tattoos and scarification need not apply.
2) Anyone NOT wearing the mark will not be allowed to engage the marketplace with buying or selling.
3) The Beast will suffer a "mortal" wound, but will survive it anyway.
4) This apparent miraculous survival will only increase the charisma of the Beast.
5) When the angels come, "God's wrath" shall be released upon the world. This includes the sun getting hotter, burns an open wounds on the marked, pain/weakness/disease/plagues, and a whole host of other unpleasant things.
Well, what if your two fav. colors are black and orange?
Should you become a SF Giants or Cincinnati Bengals fan? Well, only if you can wear lilac eye shadow to set it all off. Duh
What if you have your hair up really cute that day?
OOPs!!! I'm being told this isn't the Sports and Beauty Thread.....Never mind
the 666 already happened. The Hebrew letters have a numerical value and the word "Caesar" in Hebrew adds up or equals 666. To enter that Roman marketplace you needed to have the mark of Caesar to enter, to buy and sell. Alot of what was written about in Revelation was describing the Roman empire. Which make much more sense than the crazy left behind christian speculation.
My source is "Jesus for President" by Shane Claiborne.
Quote from: Julie Marie on August 19, 2009, 03:03:11 PMSo how will we know "666" when we see it? What form will it take?
Quote from: Revelation 13:16-17
16) And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond,
to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17) And that no man might buy or sell, save he that he had the mark,
or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
We assume that the mark will be a number, if we consider the above to be
evidence, it will not be. The "spirit" of the passage is that the "Anti-Christ" will establish
a financial system that will allow no one to be able to buy or sell unless they are part
of that system. For one to take part in the system they must, among other things,
submit to receiving some sort of "mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads"
According to "The New Strong Exhaustive Concordance" the definition of "mark" is:
Quote from: The New Strong Exhaustive Concordance(Greek) 5480. xapayua charagma, khar'-ag-mah;
from the same as (Greek) 5482; a scratch or etching,
i.e. stamp (as a badge of servitude), or
sculptured figure (statue):- graven, mark.
(Greek) 5482. xapat, charax, khar'-ax; from xapaoow charasso
(to sharpen, to apoint; akin to (Greek) 1125 through the idea of scratching);
a stake, i.e. (by impl.) a palisade or rampart
(military mound for circumvallation in a siege);-trench.
Now let us put on our tin foil hats. From the above definition, it is possible to extrapolate that the "mark"
will be a graven image (RFI "chip") and inserted "in their right hand, or in their foreheads"
with "a palisade or rampart" (a needle). Just my conspiratorial ranting.
I find it interesting how it's known that Bill Gates III, in ASCII code adds up to 666, and Microsoft is one of the largest monopoly corporations on Earth. Just thought I'd throw that out there ;)
I find it curious that a mega-global corporation with a computer system considered to be
only seconded in it's size and power by the United States military, championing the use of
"Radio Frequency Identifier" technology, has it's roots in the "buy or sell" industry.
WALMART
I do not believe that Walmart (Sam Walton) or Microsoft (Bill Gates) is the
Anti-Christ but I do believe the technology that these companies have
developed, unbeknown to them, is part of the "Beast", which the Anti-Christ
will use to control the world, if he/she/it should ever rise to power.
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Many believe there are three anti-christs. The first one was Napoleon, the second Hitler and the third yet to rise to power. Nostradamus named them Napaulon Roy, Hister, and Mabus. People have done all sorts of things with Mabus in order to find who that may be but since the first two sounded so much like the actual names, I'm waiting until I hear a name that sounds like Mabus before I jump on the bandwagon.
Maybe it was Ma Bush and we all missed it! ;)
Julie
Quote from: Julie Marie on August 19, 2009, 03:03:11 PM
Anyone with a half a brain will not have "666" stamped on their forehead and expect to fool people into believing he/she is the second coming.
So how will we know "666" when we see it? What form will it take?
Julie
As Jemi Hendrix once said, "what if 6 turns out to be 9"
But anyways, if the proficy is true such as to be fulfilled, then there can be no succesful fight and thus it would seem there is no need of knowing how to recognize 666. Besides, would one not be innocent if they did not know? If they followed a bearer of the mark, but with good intentions, perhaps knowingly or not, then what punishment would be righteously given?
someone correct me if im wrong but the anti christ and the false priest or profet (forgive my spelling) are two of three desidarious that currently roam the earth the first being legion or (six) who will assume the form of a great military leader with a plan to end a global war which begins in the middle east the second leviathan a demon that assumes the role of world spirital leader uniting the world under one religion of false prophesy and who displays the mark of the beast upon the world. together they decieve the world and herold in the second coming of christ. the third was actually destroyed by christ when he/she/it entered into direct confrontation with him.
jessica
The punishment for all the followers is The Lake of Fire. Not to be confused with the Cuyahoga River, which for a while was a river of fire.
Man Of Peace - Bob Dylan
Look out your window, baby, there's a scene you'd like to catch,
The band is playing "Dixie," a man got his hand outstretched.
Could be the Fuhrer
Could be the local priest.
You know sometimes
Satan comes as a man of peace.
He got a sweet gift of gab, he got a harmonious tongue,
He knows every song of love that ever has been sung.
Good intentions can be evil,
Both hands can be full of grease.
You know that sometimes Satan comes as a man of peace.
Well, first he's in the background, then he's in the front,
Both eyes are looking like they're on a rabbit hunt.
Nobody can see through him,
No, not even the Chief of Police.
You know that sometimes Satan comes as a man of peace.
Well, he catch you when you're hoping for a glimpse of the sun,
Catch you when your troubles feel like they weigh a ton.
He could be standing next to you,
The person that you'd notice least.
I hear that sometimes Satan comes as a man of peace.
Well, he can be fascinating, he can be dull,
He can ride down Niagara Falls in the barrels of your skull.
I can smell something cooking,
I can tell there's going to be a feast.
You know that sometimes Satan comes as a man of peace.
He's a great humanitarian, he's a great philanthropist,
He knows just where to touch you, honey, and how you like to be kissed.
He'll put both his arms around you,
You can feel the tender touch of the beast.
You know that sometimes Satan comes as a man of peace.
Well, the howling wolf will howl tonight, the king snake will crawl,
Trees that've stood for a thousand years suddenly will fall.
Wanna get married? Do it now,
Tomorrow all activity will cease.
You know that sometimes Satan comes as a man of peace.
Somewhere Mama's weeping for her blue-eyed boy,
She's holding them little white shoes and that little broken toy
And he's following a star,
The same one them three men followed from the East.
I hear that sometimes Satan comes as a man of peace.
Quote from: lisadear on October 12, 2009, 06:13:33 PM
the 666 already happened. The Hebrew letters have a numerical value and the word "Caesar" in Hebrew adds up or equals 666. To enter that Roman marketplace you needed to have the mark of Caesar to enter, to buy and sell. Alot of what was written about in Revelation was describing the Roman empire. Which make much more sense than the crazy left behind christian speculation.
My source is "Jesus for President" by Shane Claiborne.
forty years after Jesus said all this was going to happen. they book of revelation was written to get them through that time, but to day it is used just like hell to scare people into submition. "much study dueth make the heart weary" Book of Psalms.
Given what is said, and not said, it's assumed that the Revelation of John was written between 65 and 70, C.E.
I read something a while ago showing that 666 was in fact a mis-translation, and the number is actually 616. So, how does that affect all the fruitcakes? Not to mention all the metal-heads who will have to get their tattoos altered! >:-) :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: