O.K., so I've been working with this STP for a week now and instead of doing better I'm doing worse. I must fail at biology because I just can't get it positioned just right with my urethra. Any advise guys?
I have problems sometimes. I find that I have to really control my pee... can't just "let it go" so to speak.
I also find that you need the spoon opening further back then you first think.
Also square end type ones don't work for me, only rounded ones.
Yep, I'd bet money your not back far enough. Put it as far back until your almost going inside and let your natural skin "hug" the STP if you will. And your body will make a natural seal and it should work then.
Quote from: Nick Aiden on October 08, 2009, 08:39:52 AM
Yep, I'd bet money your not back far enough. Put it as far back until your almost going inside and let your natural skin "hug" the STP if you will. And your body will make a natural seal and it should work then.
I'll try that, even though I'm already putting it inside. Damn it! Why do our urethras have to be so far back! >:( It's just so wrong.
It's normal! It took me more than several weeks, and just when I'd think I had it, I'd have another issue.
This sounds gross, but is helpful: Actually feel around down there to find your urethral papilla. It's like a little bump. You know when you found it because you can do a Kegel and feel it move. Or, you can sit on the toilet and poke around down there and feel exactly where the pee comes out. Knowing what you're feeling for when placing the spoon helps you place it correctly.
And as time passes while you're on T, and your junk grows, you'll need to adjust your placement technique because it seems the urethra moves. I'm having more problems now that my dick is larger than I ever had when it was very small.
And holding back your stream a bit does help. That way if you need to reposition, you only let a few drops loose and shouldn't embarrass yourself.
Jay
Kegel? What's that.
Yes, I'm finding positioning to be very difficult with my junk in the way. The first time I used the STP I stuck my junk right in it thinking that would work. Oops. :eusa_doh:
Radar- who fails at female body urethra location.
When you're peeing on the toilet, start and stop your stream of urine. The muscles you contract to stop your urine flow are the ones you want to contract = Kegel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kegel_exercise (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kegel_exercise)
Jay
Gotcha. Thanks.
Another question. Is it common for an STP's receptacle to detach from the tubing or is this a job for super glue? ???
Superglue. Definitely.
It's not hard to get off when you need to change the tubing, either. I do that every few months.
Jay
Quote from: sneakersjay on October 08, 2009, 03:40:36 PM
Superglue. Definitely.
That's what I thought. :icon_doh:
I love the packy but this STP is being a little :icon_censored:.
Quote from: sneakersjay on October 08, 2009, 03:40:36 PM
It's not hard to get off when you need to change the tubing, either. I do that every few months.
What store do you think has the best tubing in the correct circumference?
I found some at Home Depot but it's smaller than ideal. I have the mango so the opening is smaller than a medicine spoon. I'm not sure how large their tube sizes are.
Jay
Hmm... I bought one of the DJ's STPs years ago and, after repeated trying and practicing and repositioning and all that happy whatnot and ending up with nothing but urine all over myself every time, I gave up. I go to a college now with a student population of over 20,000; I'm sure around half of them are male, and there are always at least five other guys in the men's room every time I go in and find my way to a stall. No one has ever said a word to me. Unless you feel like being able to use the STP is part of your identity as a guy, if you can't get it, don't worry about it. Nobody minds if you use a stall... and I know plenty of bio-guys who prefer to sit, rather than using a urinal.
SD
Quote from: Sebastien on October 08, 2009, 11:43:28 PM
Hmm... I bought one of the DJ's STPs years ago and, after repeated trying and practicing and repositioning and all that happy whatnot and ending up with nothing but urine all over myself every time, I gave up. I go to a college now with a student population of over 20,000; I'm sure around half of them are male, and there are always at least five other guys in the men's room every time I go in and find my way to a stall. No one has ever said a word to me. Unless you feel like being able to use the STP is part of your identity as a guy, if you can't get it, don't worry about it. Nobody minds if you use a stall... and I know plenty of bio-guys who prefer to sit, rather than using a urinal.
SD
Yeah, this. Never got the hang of it and haven't needed to. I do occasionally think I should get round to it, but meh, life's too busy atm. Maybe later.
But, you know, if it is important to you, then by all means spend the time. It's definitely not essential though. I've never had a raised eyebrow from using stalls and sitting.
Dennis
Yeah, I really do want to learn how to do this. I'm doing better thanks to Jay's biology lesson. :) It will just take practice and time.
As for stalls, I've been told by cisguys that many of them prefer to use the stalls to pee over the urinals. No problems if the stalls have doors, but not all men's rooms do. It would be nice to be able to pee standing up at the toilet or urinal- though I'd prefer the toilet.
You could try practicing in the shower if you don't mind cleaning it more often.
Quote from: Ians Tentacles on October 17, 2009, 03:25:51 PMYou could try practicing in the shower if you don't mind cleaning it more often.
Been doing that. It's weird because I'll have one good day where I'll totally get it every time, but most days it's just a mess. I'm wondering if I need a bigger receptacle. ???
I had that issue sometimes.... It was like I had to "hold back" and pee really slowly. Then I'd get confident and just pee... and end up over-filling the spoon.
I did find this though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak9zVoXclqk# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak9zVoXclqk#)
And although I don't want to spam this topic, I bought one and it did help with that problem. The tubing is pretty big though, so I'm going to work on overcoming that.
Tay, that receptacle looks like it might help me better.
I'll pee really slowly and still get a mess everywhere. When I don't use the STP my urine tends to spray out like a sprinkler anyway- I can't have just a normal stream. I'm going to keep trying, even though my urethra is retarded. >:(
Quote from: sneakersjay on October 08, 2009, 03:40:36 PM
Superglue. Definitely.
It's not hard to get off when you need to change the tubing, either. I do that every few months.
Jay
Jay could you please email me off line. Thanks. I just want to thank you for some info you posted and to ask a question. I tried to email you but is said I can't.
aj22ax@yahoo.com
Another trick I learned that seems to help is to pay attention to the angle at which you hold the spoon. You may need to point it down further than feels natural. I experimented with holding the receptacle of my STP under a stream of water and watching how the angle affected the flow.
Interestingly enough, I do pretty well with just a medicine spoon, but I have trouble with the (homemade) STP. Just adding that little bit of tubing seems to make it want to back up more. That, and if I get the angle wrong it starts going glug, glug glug, instead of giving me a steady stream. Now that's going to stand out as strange at the urinal. ::) Anyway, my point is, you might want to try just a medicine spoon for a while.
has anyone travelled much outside the US? wondering what the situation with using stalls and sitting is like outside the US.
ok try this..
get into the shower and look at yourself down there (I know it sucks, I dont like looking either) but it helps, while in the shower, just start peeing, and follow the pee to see exactly whee it comes out
place the spoon funnel part a few centimeters below the stream, so you can see the pee as it comes out, and then lands into the spoon.. once you get used to this you can remember more of where the spot is, and then be able to press it up closer
Quote from: Sebastien on October 08, 2009, 11:43:28 PM
Hmm... I bought one of the DJ's STPs years ago and, after repeated trying and practicing and repositioning and all that happy whatnot and ending up with nothing but urine all over myself every time, I gave up. I go to a college now with a student population of over 20,000; I'm sure around half of them are male, and there are always at least five other guys in the men's room every time I go in and find my way to a stall. No one has ever said a word to me. Unless you feel like being able to use the STP is part of your identity as a guy, if you can't get it, don't worry about it. Nobody minds if you use a stall... and I know plenty of bio-guys who prefer to sit, rather than using a urinal.
SD
This.
I've never had anybody question me about using a stall -- sitting or standing isn't really the defining factor of whether or not one can "pass" in the gents', it's being able to carry oneself like one belongs in there.
That said, I've only recently starting to use some kind of STP, and I've decided that I'm going to stick with just the medicine spoon with a hole bored into the end (cos it's $1.50). My reasons have nothing to do with "passing" and everything to do with the two bars I usually go to having only one stall but at least two urinals, and I hate waiting around in cramped quarters to pee.
When I tried with a medicine dropper, I had lots of trouble. Then I got my stp packer, and I've had little to no trouble so far. All I did was follow the tips and intructions sent with it. Spread the area, stick it up(further back than you'd think), then move it forward a little, hold it against you hard but not too hard(experiment with the pressure), hold it down at a 45° angle, and hold back when you go at first don't just let go like normal. The trick is to control your stream at first, until you get the hang of it. Then once you do, still try to hold back at first to make sure your placement is correct. When your done, there should be some still in there because of suction, just scrape the device forward to 'wipe' and bring it up and the rest should drip out. give it a shake or two and if you can't wipe or wash it just put it away.... hope this helps!
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If, no matter how hard or often you practice you just can't get it and all else fails, try to get a refund... IF they did NOT inform you that the device does not work for everyone.
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Or you could always try a funnel like device, instead of a small medicine spoon thing... like the whiz freedom or go-girl, uhg bad name for it... lol
You could also go look up a picture online where the urethra is clearly marked on a "map" of the girly bits and use that for reference.
Quote from: ccc on October 28, 2009, 03:47:54 PMAll I did was follow the tips and intructions sent with it. Spread the area, stick it up (further back than you'd think), then move it forward a little, hold it against you hard but not too hard (experiment with the pressure), hold it down at a 45° angle, and hold back when you go at first don't just let go like normal. The trick is to control your stream at first, until you get the hang of it. Then once you do, still try to hold back at first to make sure your placement is correct. When your done, there should be some still in there because of suction, just scrape the device forward to 'wipe' and bring it up and the rest should drip out. give it a shake or two and if you can't wipe or wash it just put it away.... hope this helps!
I've done all this- though I do have little problem getting the leftover urine out and have the shaking down pat.
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Quote from: ccc on October 28, 2009, 03:47:54 PM]Or you could always try a funnel like device, instead of a small medicine spoon thing
I've actually thought about finding a bigger receptacle to attach to the tubing. I also need to find a way around the latex receptacle because it's causing irritation when used (I have a latex sensitivity).
Quote from: Miniar on October 29, 2009, 03:35:26 AM
You could also go look up a picture online where the urethra is clearly marked on a "map" of the girly bits and use that for reference.
I agree. If your having trouble with placement because you don't really know where its at, you could always look at a map!
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Quote from: Radar on October 29, 2009, 07:32:51 AM
I've done all this- though I do have little problem getting the leftover urine out and have the shaking down pat.
Post Merge: October 29, 2009, 07:35:37 AM
I've actually thought about finding a bigger receptacle to attach to the tubing. I also need to find a way around the latex receptacle because it's causing irritation when used (I have a latex sensitivity).
change it to silicone, or plastic if possible... or try to return it and have them fix it for you... hmm, the two funnel-like ones I mentioned are small and made of silicone. And the later one is very inexpensive.
Quote from: klc4kiwi on October 19, 2009, 09:37:04 PM
has anyone travelled much outside the US? wondering what the situation with using stalls and sitting is like outside the US.
My husband (cisman) always uses stalls here in Australia.