My vote is Spiro due to very limited risk, very effective at blockng T receptors as well as attacking the production of T from the source, the health benefits, & it's lack of carsinogenic properties when combined with E & it's positive effect on blood lipids. Again, asking for opinions & experience, not reccomendations.
I was on Spiro, but I vote for Orchie. If one can not get SRS, then Orchie is the only way to permanently remove the "T".
Janet
Quote from: Janet Lynn on November 21, 2009, 08:25:34 PM
I was on Spiro, but I vote for Orchie. If one can not get SRS, then Orchie is the only way to permanently remove the "T".
Janet
I've seriously considered this, is it possible to tie off or severe the teste tubes without removing the testicals?
/me gets deja vu, this question has been asked before
(no, that is basically sterilization, not orchi)
Quote from: Flan on November 21, 2009, 08:41:05 PM
/me gets deja vu, this question has been asked before
(no, that is basically sterilization, not orchi)
I understand, do you know if this is even possible?
A vasectomy is done on a regular basis, but it does not stop the production of "T". Basically you are just shooting blanks.
Janet
Quote from: Janet Lynn on November 22, 2009, 06:59:22 PM
A vasectomy is done on a regular basis, but it does not stop the production of "T". Basically you are just shooting blanks.
Janet
I understand, is cutting or tying the main con tubes to the testes what they do in a vasectomy? I thought it was something different.
Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VasectomyVasectomy is a minor surgical procedure wherein the vasa deferentia of a man are severed, and then tied or sealed in a manner such to prevent sperm from entering the seminal stream (ejaculate)
Proper definition. If you wish to eliminate the "T'. It is by T-blockers or by Orchidectomy.
Janet
Quote from: Janet Lynn on November 22, 2009, 07:30:49 PM
Proper definition. If you wish to eliminate the "T'. It is by T-blockers or by Orchidectomy.
Janet
Is the vasa differential the main tubes you can feel with your fingers leading away from the testes? I don't have a computer, only a small screen phone & cannot read tiny words on med charts.
Yes but you also might be feeling the vein and artery. The only way to reduce or eliminate "T" is through blockers or Orchie or SRS. And an Orchie is one of those "Don't try this at home" things.
Janet
im on Androcur,and spiro. but getting an orchi with dr Lazaro Cardenas Camarena's soon
Quote from: Janet Lynn on November 22, 2009, 08:03:37 PM
Yes but you also might be feeling the vein and artery. The only way to reduce or eliminate "T" is through blockers or Orchie or SRS. And an Orchie is one of those "Don't try this at home" things.
Janet
There is much confusion here. So I will clearly state; a vasectmoy stops only sperm.
That is exactly all it does. It is a male version of getting your tubes tied.
Janet
I once read directions on diy orchiectomy. I think that was the most messed up thing I've ever read, and I've read a lot of messed up stuff.
I like spiro too, but I've never tried androcur so I can't say either way.
Quote from: Becca on November 23, 2009, 01:45:05 AM
I once read directions on diy orchiectomy. I think that was the most messed up thing I've ever read, and I've read a lot of messed up stuff.
I like spiro too, but I've never tried androcur so I can't say either way.
It's saddening to hear of this kind of desperation, but it's been in the darkest corners of human existance for a very long time.
Cepretone acitate (Androcur) works best for me. I've tried loads and this seems to be the most effective.
Just estrogen has shrunk me _ down. The epidimus (sp?) did not shrink so much.
I started on a high dose of Androcur which did not bother me at first. It started to run my adrenal function down though. On estrogen alone I am still have high enough T to cause me to notice >:-). I can take a small dose of Androcur and it is often effective :o :icon_blowme:.
Dutasteride is what I am using now. I have only been on it for the first two days, but so far so good! On estrogen alone I had zits all over my back. Androcur didn't really help either with the amount of cheese I was eating. The zits seem to be going away now. The jump in regular T hasn't been too bad. The SHBG worries me. That could turn me into a college girl or something.
I would like to try spiro. Especially as I am planning on including natural progesterone in the near future (blocks T but is also a precurser).
Oh yeah, Nizoral/ketoconazole shampoo'ng directly on the military intelligence is good for about 8 hours of testoterone shut down -- more effective than anything else IMO. I leave it on and shave my legs or something and then shower. It is numbing or something so don't get it on your sensitive areas (I use packing tape).
I've never liked the word "balls". It just sounds vulgar to me. That's interesting about the shampoo, but I think you'll like the spiro because of your skin trouble.
I removed the word. I don't know what to call them. It's like they aren't there anymore and I don't want to hurt them feeling around. And I hesitate to say that because then it come back to me -- as if my balls were a big part of some other ->-bleeped-<-ers life.
The spiro. I made the mistake of ordering the spiro from _. (if I can even say that)
Does anyone know of any advantage finesteride/ditesteride may have over spiro?
You didn't have to take it out darling, I was just making conversation :-*
I like to use spiro and dutasteride together, and I prefer dutasteride over finasteride because it's easier on the liver. I don't know if they would be enough by themselves, that's an interesting thought.
Quote from: Tristan on November 22, 2009, 08:25:52 PM
im on Androcur,and spiro. but getting an orchi with dr Lazaro Cardenas Camarena's soon
do you know any girls that did orchi with DR cardenas
Quote from: Bellaon7 on November 24, 2009, 06:52:12 PM
Does anyone know of any advantage finesteride/ditesteride may have over spiro?
finesteride/ditesteride should be taken in addition with Spiro as they are both targeting two very different types of testoterone. finesteride is a 5-alpha-reductase inhibitor, a drug which inhibits the conversion of testosterone into dihydrotestosterone (DHT). It is often used for hair receeding problems.
Doing anything physically to eliminate T from being generated is dangerous. Some have been successful but barely lived. I once thought I was out of T Blockers and was actually preparing to try crushing the cords to my evil twins but found some blockers I forgot I had! Whew!
If you are interested in reading stories about this kind of stuff Eunuch.org is a great resource.
But like Janet says! Orchi and needs to be by an MD.
Quote from: Becca on November 24, 2009, 08:28:35 PM
You didn't have to take it out darling, I was just making conversation :-*
I like to use spiro and dutasteride together, and I prefer dutasteride over finasteride because it's easier on the liver. I don't know if they would be enough by themselves, that's an interesting thought.
Sorry, I wasn't trying to be critical I was just curious.
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Quote from: Naturally Blonde on November 25, 2009, 05:37:31 AM
finesteride/ditesteride should be taken in addition with Spiro as they are both targeting two very different types of testoterone. finesteride is a 5-alpha-reductase inhibitor, a drug which inhibits the conversion of testosterone into dihydrotestosterone (DHT). It is often used for hair receeding problems.
Yes I'm aware of the DHT metabolite, but since spiro stops T production from the testicals & blocks T receptors I'm wondering wondering why anything more would be neccissary. Is any sort of harmful levels of DHT left over after spiro?
Post Merge: November 25, 2009, 06:54:10 PM
Quote from: Naturally Blonde on November 25, 2009, 05:37:31 AM
finesteride/ditesteride should be taken in addition with Spiro as they are both targeting two very different types of testoterone. finesteride is a 5-alpha-reductase inhibitor, a drug which inhibits the conversion of testosterone into dihydrotestosterone (DHT). It is often used for hair receeding problems.
Quote from: Abby on November 24, 2009, 01:22:31 PM
I removed the word. I don't know what to call them
I was talking to Abby dear, we were briefly discussing terms for male anatomy. Sorry for the confusion :-*
As I understand it spiro is ~ok alone, but since dht blockers exist we like to use them too and really cut into the effects of the lil bit of T that spiro misses.
Quote from: Janet Lynn on November 22, 2009, 08:03:37 PM
Yes but you also might be feeling the vein and artery. The only way to reduce or eliminate "T" is through blockers or Orchie or SRS. And an Orchie is one of those "Don't try this at home" things.
Janet
What? Don't try at home? LOL ::) You mean you can't just grab some really big clippers and just go chop, chop? Or go online and check out some of the hack-jobs (including pictures) that other people have tried, and hear about the stories of people going to the hospitals with major infections, or to the psych ward, or to an early grave? Then finding out later it really messes it up when they go for SRS 'cause they major scar tissue and they risk sensitivity and looks? Or worse?
Awwww... okay, no getting elastics, shears, or shot guns to the poison factories. Good old T-blockers or Orchi (by a doctor) or SRS. Tis the way it is. :)
Gah, and yeah, I did look that up one time ago. And, yeah, I found pictures of people who've done some pretty crazy things... I've seen penises chopped off, the boyz in the bag sorta chopped off... eh, no. And, the stories of shady docs with no licenses doing all kinds of operations, injections with free silicone (and sometimes motor oil)... uh, pictures and video. No try at home. Oh, please, no... bad idea.
It's really scary what some people end up doing out of desperation. I totally understand that desperation. I really do. But, really, it's not a good idea to go that far. This is why I really think things should be more accessible in terms of SRS and insurance funding. And, it's not just even when people do self or back yard surgery, but some of the dangerous situations that people end up going through to get the money, and some of the abuse that they suffer. 'Tis the season for trans-day of remembrance. :(
No, no, don't try it at home. No self-orchi's. Go to a doc (real of course). As much as you don't like it, it's well worth to get the orchi or SRS done professionally... you don't wanna end up screwing it up so you end up with nothing, or getting worse than nothing...
spiro is working fine on me three weeks on it now
jessica