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Underworks is great, even if you don't have a credit card, which is good for those who go by paper instead of plastic. I got the 997 double panel, and I'm a size A, so they work well for me. I hear they work up to size B.
In terms of modifications/personal comments, I cut slits where belt loops match up on my pants, so (1) it doesn't roll up, and (2) my often baggy pants stay up without a belt. The only issue I get with this is that going to the bathroom takes one extra step, but if you're wearing a binder, you're already working for your appearance. Five seconds more isn't a major thing for me.
I've also found that it doesn't make your chest completely flat; it just kind of 'hardens' your chesticles. I saw today, though, that it doesn't matter with the shape so much. I met a friend of mine today I hadn't seen in a while while wearing the binder. When I lifted up my arm to catch my balance for a while (I was standing up), she was staring at my chest like one of my rats were crawling across my shirt. If your chest doesn't stick out, people tend to assume you're male, even if the shape is wrong. You can thank America's bad eating habits for that [moobs, muffintops, etc.] =] Even someone who KNEW I was female got confused, and I was only wearing that binder and a T-shirt. That tells you something.
I wear an underworks binder, one of them t-shirt things, and these are my little tips and tricks with those:
1. The seams cut in. Since I wear another shirt over 'em this is solved by wearing 'em inside out, cotton against the skin and seams out.
2. Rolling up. This is solved by taking the bottom edge and pulling it up over the binder, wearing it double. I pin it up with a safety pin and get the added benefit of twice the compression.
3. Wash. I just toss it in the machine with other clothes, go easy on the chemicals, and then let it dry on a hanger to keep it well shaped. (no drier in the house and even if there were, I wouldn't risk it myself)
I wash mine when they're dirty or a little "loose" (which they get after wearing 'em for 3-4 days straight).
4. I do not sleep in my binder.
It does affect my dysphoria, but I would rather take good care of the foundation for the nice chest I aim to get in a year or two than create any more problems for myself.
The skin needs to breathe, the tissue needs the rest.
5.?????
6.Profit.
Quote from: Call Me Joe on January 14, 2010, 09:10:25 PMI saw today, though, that it doesn't matter with the shape so much.
If your chest doesn't stick out, people tend to assume you're male, even if the shape is wrong.
Yeah, I've been noticing that too. And if someone's not sure they stare at your chest. Stop staring! It's rude and creepy! >:(
*sigh* I look forward to top surgery.
Quote from: Radar on January 15, 2010, 11:19:23 AM
Yeah, I've been noticing that too. And if someone's not sure they stare at your chest. Stop staring! It's rude and creepy! >:(
*sigh* I look forward to top surgery.
LMAO yes, i've noticed it too.
I use Frog Bra most of the time, now. It's the easiest and most comfortable in that price range for me - works well too. Looking into Underworks items tho - which works best with D cup?
Quote from: Miniar on January 15, 2010, 11:08:45 AM
I wash mine when they're dirty or a little "loose" (which they get after wearing 'em for 3-4 days straight).
I was wondering what that was! I thought it just felt loose because of the dysphoria. Good to know!
I use some t-shirt-style Underworks binders. I couldn't begin to tell you exactly which binders they are, as I got them used from a very amazing trans guy on another site for nothing more than the price of shipping. :) In any case, they work pretty well, I think. They don't make my chest flat flat, even though it's small, but with a shirt or two, possibly a hoodie, it's pretty damn close. I don't think I'd ever double-bind. It's noticeably more difficult to breathe with just the one on.
I love my binders though.
Quote from: FolkFanatic on January 15, 2010, 03:56:08 PM
LMAO yes, i've noticed it too.
I use Frog Bra most of the time, now. It's the easiest and most comfortable in that price range for me - works well too. Looking into Underworks items tho - which works best with D cup?
Last time I wore a bra (6 years ago), I was a D cup. I've only ever used the 997 from underworks and it works very well for me. I have a minimal "speedbump", but otherwise I'm flat. This is partially due to the breakdown of my tissue over time plus the binding power of the double front. When I first started wearing it, my chest was slightly bigger than it is now (I've almost lost weight since then). YMMV.
Quote from: Adio on January 17, 2010, 02:52:44 AM
Last time I wore a bra (6 years ago...)
Anyone feel really uncomfortable wearing bras? I've only done the binder cos I couldn't imagine wearing a bra to make my chest look flatter. It's middle school all over again--and I'm just old enough for that to start being some vague memory.
What's the difference between the tank tops and the bras?
Curious if anyone has ordered out from T-Kingdom. Either way, I plan to order a binder there and will give more info once I get my hands on it.
When it comes to the bra question:
Bra's are shaped for breasts, even the none cupped ones (part of the design is to 'maintain' a (female) chest appearance unlike a binder). Sports bra's tend to work to reduce the appeared size, but require layers (sports bra + top + tank top). There's also 'minimizers' that make breasts look a cup smaller, but they're not stable like sports bra's so jumping is prohibited.
Just incase anyone has the bright idea like me to try medical tape ya know dollorstore stuff..DONT for the LOVE OF GOD dont. it HURT LIKE BLOODY HELL. This coming from the newb to any other newbs lol. Don't do it dude. Its cheap and sure it will work going on but coming off prepair to scream. *rubs chest* My first binding experiance last night..didnt go well...can you tell? EPIC FAIL
Ethan
I've never put my binders through the dryer (Underworks Cotton and Double Front Shirts), but I always put them through the washer on gentle cycle. I'm way to lazy to hand wash.. unless the few times I've showered in the Double Front Binders counts as a hand washing? ;D
Quote from: Ethan on January 20, 2010, 11:07:33 PM
Just incase anyone has the bright idea like me to try medical tape ya know dollorstore stuff..DONT for the LOVE OF GOD dont. it HURT LIKE BLOODY HELL. This coming from the newb to any other newbs lol. Don't do it dude. Its cheap and sure it will work going on but coming off prepair to scream. *rubs chest* My first binding experiance last night..didnt go well...can you tell? EPIC FAIL
Ethan
If you remove it slowly and carefully, maybe with the help of adhesive remover or something, there shouldn't be a problem. I've used sports tape to bind so that I could wear an open shirt before - granted that was for cosplaying, not everyday, but it worked really well and I've considered trying it again.
Does anyone know the best way to bind and swim or even bind and go to the gym? I've an underworks double compression and it doesn't seem to like going to the gym!
Quote from: alex k on January 23, 2010, 07:05:02 PM
Does anyone know the best way to bind and swim or even bind and go to the gym? I've an underworks double compression and it doesn't seem to like going to the gym!
I use the double front from underworks and go jogging with it on. That's just outside in the winter though. Do you wear anything under it or is it directly on your skin? In the summer I wear a tight undershirt underneath it and that solves the problems I have with sweating and stickiness. If it's the compression and breathing that's causing the difficultly, try a bigger sized binder or one that's worn out. You may have to wear a tight sports bra or frog bra and layer though if the binder option still doesn't work.
I'm curious about the swimming too. I'm going to buy a rash guard this summer and want to wear my binder under it. Will it get wet? Does chloride and other pool chemicals destroy binders?
I had been wearing the binder next to skin but I'll now try with something under it thanx
Quote from: Adio on January 23, 2010, 07:51:39 PM
I'm going to buy a rash guard this summer and want to wear my binder under it. Will it get wet? Does chloride and other pool chemicals destroy binders?
Chorine destroyed the spandex compression tanks that I used to go swimming in. The stretchy material woven into the fabric started to separate. The shirt lost the ability to compress after a while. I never tried this with an Underworks binder--I have a hunch that chlorine would drastically reduce a binder's useful life, and the things are too expensive. If you want to try it, keep one binder for regular wearing and one binder for swimming. Rinse out the binder immediately after swimming in chlorinated water; might help it last for a while longer.
Has anyone else tried swimming/getting in a hot tub or jacuzzi with an Underworks binder on? My friend is having a party soon and I'm not sure whether or not I should get in the hot tub with my binder on. Maybe just my old one? :P
It shouldn't be too bad if I only get it wet with chlorinated water once, right?
I dont really know what a binder looks like haha, so I typed into google images. I accidentally left out the space between my words, and typed binderbra instead, and look! pictures of you guy came up! :P
http://images.google.com.au/images?gbv=2&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&sa=1&q=binderbra&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&start=0 (http://images.google.com.au/images?gbv=2&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&sa=1&q=binderbra&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&start=0)
Quote from: x-icecubes-x on January 27, 2010, 02:53:07 PM
I dont really know what a binder looks like haha, so I typed into google images. I accidentally left out the space between my words, and typed binderbra instead, and look! pictures of you guy came up! :P
http://images.google.com.au/images?gbv=2&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&sa=1&q=binderbra&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&start=0 (http://images.google.com.au/images?gbv=2&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&sa=1&q=binderbra&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&start=0)
whoah thats freaky!
Uhm, about swimming. If you guys looks at the Underworks site, there is a specific binder for swimming.
It's called the Concealer Chest Binding Compression Swim Tank and can be bought separately, along with the shorts, that are sold as a set.
I know, but I have neither the time nor the money to order one. :-\ Plus if I wore that I might out myself, (yanno, people asking what's up with the funky swimsuit) and I really just need to know how badly my binder will get damaged.
From the little I found about material similar to the Underworks binder (30% spandex 70%nylon) it seems that they are good for a limited amount of uses in water. I have no experience doing this, but it has crossed my mind. I say try it out and see how it goes.
Quote from: No-Name on January 27, 2010, 03:23:52 PM
Uhm, about swimming. If you guys looks at the Underworks site, there is a specific binder for swimming.
It's called the Concealer Chest Binding Compression Swim Tank and can be bought separately, along with the shorts, that are sold as a set.
Just curious, have you personally worn one of those? Because I've heard nothing positive about them. They say top only binds the abdomen and gets bunched up. Most guys that I've seen talk about it say it's a waste of money.
Quote from: No-Name on January 27, 2010, 04:05:54 PM
From the little I found about material similar to the Underworks binder (30% spandex 70%nylon) it seems that they are good for a limited amount of uses in water. I have no experience doing this, but it has crossed my mind. I say try it out and see how it goes.
Alright, I think I will. My old binder is getting kinda grimy and stretched out anyway. :)
Quote from: Adio on January 27, 2010, 05:51:45 PM
Just curious, have you personally worn one of those? Because I've heard nothing positive about them. They say top only binds the abdomen and gets bunched up. Most guys that I've seen talk about it say it's a waste of money.
Unfortunately, no. Though as you've heard bad, I've heard good. Different binders create different opinions among different people with a wide varity of body types. :P
I'm currently debating to get one of two binders. One's with velcro, the other with a zipper.
Apart from the velcro/zipper difference they're quite the same although the zipper one is noted to be more comfortable and looks a bit neater. However, I figure velcro is much easier to adjust while the zipper will probably stretch over time (then again the velcro doesn't last forever either).
So, suggestions anyone?
Quote from: no_id on January 29, 2010, 04:10:28 AM
I'm currently debating to get one of two binders. One's with velcro (http://www.t-kingdom.com/shopping/english/page1300_english.shtml), the other with a zipper (http://www.t-kingdom.com/shopping/english/page801_english.shtml).
Apart from the velcro/zipper difference they're quite the same although the zipper one is noted to be more comfortable and looks a bit neater. However, I figure velcro is much easier to adjust while the zipper will probably stretch over time (then again the velcro doesn't last forever either).
So, suggestions anyone?
I personally would take the velcro one, mostly for it's adjustability.
That being said, I've wanted to get that exact model, the one with the velcro, for a while. I just don't know whether or not it's worth it cause the size chart don't appear to allow for people over 5'9" in height, and at 6'2" I worry it just won't fit right. It doesn't mention ppl over 85 kilos either...
Meh.. maybe I'll MAKE one.
I would be curious about the width of when the velcro meets itself as opposed to the area at the binder where it is merely zipped up. I wonder. . .
I don't have either, I just have an oooolld tritop that I got like seven years ago...
Velcro would be easier to replace when it wore out than a zippper.
Thanks for the feedback guys. Based on it I'm currently leaning towards the velcro one;
definitely appears more reliable when it comes to adjusting. And since the size chart
includes sizes inches apart (e.g. 31-33 inches) there's definitely to wonder about the actual width like you pointed out
IndigeoAliquis.
Quote from: MiniarThat being said, I've wanted to get that exact model, the one with the velcro, for a while. I just don't know whether or not it's worth it cause the size chart don't appear to allow for people over 5'9" in height, and at 6'2" I worry it just won't fit right. It doesn't mention ppl over 85 kilos either...
As far as I'm aware T-Kingdom does custom sizes, but it costs extra. Check the 'All sizes seems wrong for me, what can I do?' question in the FAQ.
Quote from: no_id on January 29, 2010, 10:45:42 AM
As far as I'm aware T-Kingdom does custom sizes, but it costs extra. Check the 'All sizes seems wrong for me, what can I do?' question in the FAQ here (http://www.t-kingdom.com/shopping/english/faq.htm).
Ahh! How long have they been doing this? I haven't surfed anything trans-related in five years or so... Is that new? That's just wonderful.
I regret falling off the grid every day now.
Quote from: IndigeoAliquis on January 29, 2010, 11:03:36 AM
Ahh! How long have they been doing this? I haven't surfed anything trans-related in five years or so... Is that new? That's just wonderful.
I regret falling off the grid every day now.
Heh, they did it when I checked two years ago. ;)
Time to get back on track oi. 8)
I might end up doing that.
As much as you guys sometimes envy my height, you've no idea the amount of "fuss" a couple of inches extra in height can generate.
Not to mention the banging your head on low hanging signs problem.
My brother's only another 2 inches taller than me and he's had more stitches done in his head than he can remember. If you ask him how many times he's had stitches in the head he'll zone out and count for a while and go "eight that I can recall off the top of my head" (no pun intended).
Needing to "special order" stuff is just yet another thing.
That's nuts!!!!!
DIY binder: cover a tight &stretchy bustier or sports bra (or some other shirt you prefer that fits tightly and is somewhat stretchy) with two layers of liquid latex...let dry. you can even add a zipper later. it makes a great binder because the fabric+ latex combination is way tougher than any fabric but still flexible. it's also cheap (liquid latex is about $10 per bottle and you won't need much) and it's not as "rubbery" as it may sound since the latex doesnt actually touch your skin
Another DIY option is to take a wide strip of cloth, poke holes in the ends, and put lacing through them to make a "boob corset". It's best if you lace it up the back but that can be somewhat difficult.
Quote from: no_id on January 29, 2010, 10:45:42 AM
Thanks for the feedback guys. Based on it I'm currently leaning towards the velcro one;
definitely appears more reliable when it comes to adjusting. And since the size chart
includes sizes inches apart (e.g. 31-33 inches) there's definitely to wonder about the actual width like you pointed out IndigeoAliquis.
As far as I'm aware T-Kingdom does custom sizes, but it costs extra. Check the 'All sizes seems wrong for me, what can I do?' question in the FAQ.
I had to order larger than my height/size because of bigger moob size than the charts seemed to cater for. The effect is while it fits my chest width well, the binding area ends up a bit too low, so that the shoulder straps provide no support really and I can't position the lumps further up without them poking through the arm holes (because they're a bit too low for me).
I guess taller guys would get the opposite effect from a T Kingdom binder if you didn't custom order (which seems worth it imo!). Not sure if the Underworks ones are designed for a different body shape.
The velcro thickness difference is barely noticable when you've got a layer or two on top, but you do get some bumps and stuff in that area. Though I guess under your arm is a better spot for bumps than the collarbone or wherever the zipper ends.
I just wanted to say if you're going the DIY route, absolutely DO NOT bind with medical tape. It does terrible damage to your lungs. My roomate saw me doing it and her minor in college is in athletic training and she flipped on me, telling me horror stories of what compressing with tape can do to you.
SO....I ordered my first binders from Underworks earlier this week. I got the 988 model and I really enjoy it.
My comments:
1) Though it is hard to slip on, it is WORTH the minimal struggle...because it makes anything of breast-resemblance disappear from my chest
2) Got one in black and one in white. Both are pretty much undetectable under a typical shirt.
3.) Looks like a regular tank top/ muscle shirt. I could walk around in it and be mistaken for a pre-pubescent boy (I haven't started T and I'm short....really short -__-)
p.s. I've read some comments about bra wearing and stuff. My two bits on this would be, A) I wouldn't want to wear a bra unless I utterly had no other choice or if I felt the need to be a drag queen for a day (and I don't have those needs, lol)
and B) Because my chest is so small anyway, yes a sports bra would make me rather flat, but every time I jogged, ran, or went up stairs..the chesticles would bounce. So no, bras aren't for me. Binders all the way. :P
I used to have a Tri Top from underworks. It worked well, but cut into my skin alot, make me bleed, and wore out.
(I'm really a 34c/d, but due to binding for years my breast tissue is broken down) I came up with an interesting method to bind. One day, being homeless, and desperate to hide my chest, I threw on two sports bras, and grabbed a belt, and put the belt around my chest as tight as it would go. I'm using one of those belts where there's two metal things that you put it through, not a normal belt, but I'm sure a normal belt would work too. The material is stiffer so it works well, suprisingly. It's the flattest I've seen my chest in ages. I put it around the middle of my breasts, so the top part looks like pecs, and what sticks out underneath isn't noticable if I wear a not too tight shirt. Plus this is winter so I wear underarmor, and a beater underneath my clothes. I hide the buckle under my arms. I've been hit on by gay men at the gay bar so I guess I"m doing something right!
My ftm drag buddy uses black tape on his chest everyday...idk how he does it >.< When I do use tape, I use duct tape, but over a beater so it's not on my skin. I have asthma, and the belt method allows for very good breathing, IMO.
I use the Tri Top as well. It was generously given to me by Jamie-o, here on Susan's. ;D
I have to admit that it cuts in far worse than the double front, but in terms of look and roll up it's far better. For the look it gives me and comfort of no roll up, I deal with the pain. Though I have yet to bleed, I think it might be very possible, expecially after hearing it from zombiesarepeaceful. :(
Does anyone know some popular sites for binder/bras made of cotton instead of plastic? the layering gets old sometimes =/
Quote from: Call Me Joe on February 02, 2010, 09:02:05 PM
Does anyone know some popular sites for binder/bras made of cotton instead of plastic? the layering gets old sometimes =/
underworks makes a cotton binder but it isn't strong enough to really bind anything, I bought one and wear it while I work out at home but it really isn't any more useful than that. I don't think cotton would be good for binding no matter the company unless it were layers and layers of really tight cotton, I could be wrong though.
Doesn't T-Kingdom offer cotton binders?
You could try there, Joe.
Any ideas how long Underworks delivery to the UK usually takes with 'international regular service' shipping? I can't seem to see it anywhere on the site. o:
Well, Banf, I have no personal experience since I'm here in the states, but Underworks sends their binders via Priority mail here. Assuming they use the same thing for international orders and after checking USPS website this type of international mail it appears that it will take 6-10 business days.
Hope this helps a little, but maybe someone has had a similar experience to what you need. :)
Okay I love Underworks delivery already! :O
I ordered last night, it's now estimated to be here noon tomorrow. Got full tracking with it, which is always fun. The thing's not quite here yet, but that's crazy fast, especially for the cheapest delivery option! Don't think I've ever received a package from the US in less than a week. :D
Think mine only took two days and that was when i ordered it about 11.30pm
our time. Spent most of that time tracking it on the net and jumping up and down when it reached our shores
Okay, so since this is "All About Binding", I have an issue that I need some advice about.
I've been using the tri top and I use it every day. I wear it anywhere from 6 hours to 12 max. Sometimes I'll wear it for 6-8 hours for school in the morning, take it off once I'm at home, and then put it back on for maybe another hour to 6 hours max if I go out at night. This is the second week that I've been binding daily.
The problem I'm having is that my nipples hurt some. Especially in the morning when it's cold. It makes my nipples feel like they're burning/stinging. Just pain. Now what I want to know is if this is normal since I'm using my binder so regularly or if I'm doing something wrong or if I can do something about it. I either wear my binder bare skinned or with a cotton A-shirt or T-shirt.
Never had any nipple issues with binding. Do you get the same whether wearing something underneath it or not? :(
Yeah. I wore an A-shirt under my binder today and I still had the nipple pain. It's not a constant pain or anything. It's just a noticable pain that I feel in the cold, or when I move in certain ways like that might put pressure or rub on them.
it could just be that your nipples are not used to being under constant pressure. if I were you I would just make sure that you always wore a shirt underneath just to keep something a little softer against your skin. I always wear a beater underneath mine.
That makes sense. I'll be sure to start wearing my A-shirts under my binder from now on. Thanks again Carson.
Quote from: No-Name on February 11, 2010, 04:44:55 PM
Okay, so since this is "All About Binding", I have an issue that I need some advice about.
The problem I'm having is that my nipples hurt some. Especially in the morning when it's cold. It makes my nipples feel like they're burning/stinging. Just pain.
Bit of a late reply, but here's the thing.
Tri-top is 70% nylon and 30% spandex. These are fabrics that don't 'breathe'; they don't absorb water. Combined with pressure you got sweat, salt and rubbing; yup that might cause some soreness. Wearing a cotton shirt beneath probably won't help; cotton absorbs water and then evaporates to the air, and with the nylon/spandex layer there's no 'space' to evaporate to. In fact, it might add to the problem.
Runners/walkers often use a petroleum jelly to lubricate their nipples and patches to prevent 'friction'. I'd give that a go.
As for the 'sore when cold'; it's a common thing, just like cracked fingers.
Not at all late! I'll have to give that a try. I have sensitive nipples to begin with and the soreness I'm experiencing is not cool. :(
Thanks no_id! :D
I'm about to buy my first binder, and at first I was going to buy the 709 from T-kingdom, but I dunno if it'll be very effective. I'm looking at the Tri-Top but I don't know. So I'll ask you guys for help. I'm kind of oddly shaped, or I think so. I'm 5'6 105lbs and my chest is a large B. I want something that I can breathe in, and somewhat comfortable. So if you guys could make some suggestions, that'd be awesome. Thanks.
I used the long one from Underworks (was in 2001, forgot, but it was the one that goes down to the waist,) and still use the TriTop, it was either small or x-small. I'm five foot two and under 100 pounds.
The Tritop is perfect for me, doesn't roll up, doesn't cut into my ribs, the arm and shoulder areas are comfortable, and I can even wear tight and thin shirts and no lines show. So I have very positive feelings about the Tritop.
The long binder I had for a short while before I lost it, was nice, but I had to keep it pulled down low for it to even bind, and if I had to go a size smaller I would not be able to breathe in it, much less step into it. That's all I can tell you, besides researching LJ groups (ftm has WONDERFUL keywords about binding and people give their experiences there.) Have you checked that yet? Was how I made my purchase decision.
Good luck on this. :)
Yeah I checked out the LJ community, but the posts on there didn't really cover the specific questions I had. Like I don't want to buy an x-small and have it not kill me. I'm not even thinking about the long ones. At least not yet. I'm going to keep reading reviews. Hopefully I'll have made a decision soon. Thanks for the .02 Indigeo. I've been at this for a month now lol.
The tri top is amazing but once it starts to wear out...I get paranoid about my chest again. No-name...I can only imagine how it would be if you had your nipples pierced like mine >.< I"m not taking mine out til I get my surgery...I was sort of hoping they could leave them in...but I'm highly doubting it. I have bound with duct tape and everything, with my nipples pierced...I can only imagine what it would do to you O.o
Well, as a testament to my Tritop, I purchased it back in 2003. It's lasted 7 years, and I wore it today even. I love my tight shirts, make me feel secure when I have my tritop. But, your mileage may vary.
I've loved the thing to death and really am curious about the t-kingdom binders, since they're more my style, I like the black/formality of their design, and seem to be fitted more towards us smaller men.
(ftm t-king tags: http://community.livejournal.com/ftm/tag/binders-tkingdom (http://community.livejournal.com/ftm/tag/binders-tkingdom) )
Zombies, can you promise me you don't do the duct tape thing again? You know, the whole possible .. well, everything, that can and will happen. The most desperate I ever got was using ace bandages. And that was a short-term solution.
All underworks tags:
http://community.livejournal.com/ftm/tag/binders-underworks (http://community.livejournal.com/ftm/tag/binders-underworks)
A ton of choosing tags:
http://community.livejournal.com/ftm/tag/binders-choosing%20one (http://community.livejournal.com/ftm/tag/binders-choosing%20one)
I find it hard to believe that considering 200-250 tagged entries, not one person has gone through this? I'd go through them all by hand like I did a few years ago, but migraine is sneaking up on me.
I just might utilize google docs and hand-compile everyone's binder experiences into some kind of editable wiki later on. Has that been done yet? I'm the person who loves to compile and disambiguate data.
has anyone ever had anything to do with firm 51 uk? from their site they look like they are selling underworks stuff but i think it will probably work out cheaper for us uk guys
So I got my 997 "Double Front Compression Shirt" from Underworks yesterday and was out in it all day today. I like!
Thoughts: Well it fits my body type a lot better than my 1700 from T-Kingdom (136lb, 5'8", 36"ish chest for reference, not within T Kingdom size ranges really). Problem was the 1700 has a specific binding area, that ends up in sort of the wrong place on me. With the Underworks one, the whole thing is made of the same binding material. This seems to make it actually more comfortable as well, 'cause the specific strip on the 1700 would push on my ribs a bit too much in that particular spot.
I got a Medium from Underworks and I needed a Large (with velcro) from T Kingdom, so that's obviously a lot easier to get into, but this one isn't too much of a struggle. I don't need any assistance, and haven't got stuck yet!
The edges on the Underworks one definitely aren't as soft, but it isn't cutting in yet. :p
On actual binding effect I notice very little difference between the two tbh.
Both of them are long, I tuck 'em into my boxahs.
Also my 1700 is white, and I chose a black 997. The black is better looking imo, and won't look as dirty as fast!
PS. Still super impressed with Underworks international "regular service" delivery.
Alex: Not heard of that but it sounds interesting! Could you PM the link? Google's being useless. P:
Quote from: Banf on February 13, 2010, 10:38:37 PMThe edges on the Underworks one definitely aren't as soft, but it isn't cutting in yet. :p
Yeah, they'll start cutting under the armpit area. I wear an A frame tank top underneath and it works perfectly.
Quote from: alex k on February 13, 2010, 03:44:22 PM
has anyone ever had anything to do with firm 51 uk? from their site they look like they are selling underworks stuff but i think it will probably work out cheaper for us uk guys
Cheers for the link. (: Hmm ok the double front ends up £8 odd more expensive from that site, even if you get two for the 10% off deal
and go for free shipping (which arrives 3 days slower than from Underworks). Seems we're not better off with them. ;o
God bless the US of A
For anyone else from the UK - have you seen this? That's just the size I'm considering, but the shop looks like a cheaper alternative to Firm 51.
ETA: Never mind, I've found a (hopefully better) solution. Will explain more in a more up to date post.
Quote from: Radar on February 14, 2010, 08:42:21 AM
Yeah, they'll start cutting under the armpit area. I wear an A frame tank top underneath and it works perfectly.
Huh.. Still no cutting in anywhere for me so far, and I've been wearing it lots, with nothin' underneath. :O
Quote from: Banf on February 28, 2010, 05:49:39 AMHuh.. Still no cutting in anywhere for me so far, and I've been wearing it lots, with nothin' underneath.
Lucky. :) Mine will cut in.
I'm kinda a big guy (5'6'' and around 230lbs with a C or D chest) and I'm looking at the 997 from Underworks. Do any other big guys have experience with it? Does it fit? Is there a lot of "spillage" into the arm pit area that's noticable through clothes? I took my measurements like they said I the average between my two measurements was 43.5, so should I get a large or am I supposed to go with medium? Would a medium even fit me (I wear XL shirts)? Would a tri-top be better for a bigger guy?
Hey Devin. I'm about 5'3" and at my heaviest I weighed 215 lbs (I now weigh 170-175lbs). I was a D cup last time I knew. I've only ever worn the 997 and get good results from it. The only spillage I have is the fat from the area right underneath my underarms, not my actual breast tissue. For me, it's not noticeable through clothes. I can't remember what my measurements were, but I think they were about a 42 or so. I wear a large and can't even fit into a medium. My t-shirt size varies between L and XL.
Hey all, well I promised to do a bit of a review once I got my binder from T-Kingdom.
After quite some pondering and chitchatting I got Model 801 (size M).
Sizes: cup size 70D, t-kingdom: 170 cm (I'm 172cm) / 5 ft 7 inches - 132.2~143.3lb / 60~65Kg (I weight 61) - 31-33 inch (78.7-84cm) (my chest size is 83cm).
That makes me skinny/average with a small waist and large breasts.
Delivery & Service: I ordered by the way of express mail on the 26th of Februari. My binder arrived on the 3rd of March (2nd of March at the airport of the destination country). So really no complaints there. The binder was packed in a thick, cardboard envelop with a lot of tape around it. Nicely protected, no damage.
First impression: 'That's supposed to bind?...' No really, the fabric is extremely light, much alike a bathing suit top without any hard edges. The zipper is well secured with a bit of space at the top and bottom, the label is small and unnoticable.
Now I decided to take some pictures to show the binding effect. Not really the best timing since I'm about to get my period so I could probably K.O. someone if I smacked a breast against their head. (Oh well...)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pix8.net%2Fpro%2Fpic.php%3Fu%3D19380jYID1%26amp%3Bi%3D1152716&hash=5111eb0f03d7c1080b92d0b614f77c808302d207)
Tight shirt with a pretty good sportsbra that does bind a bit. Still breasts are obvious.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pix8.net%2Fpro%2Fpic.php%3Fu%3D19380jYID1%26amp%3Bi%3D1152715&hash=8399e9be0a00c59442b0caa651ae2654bc278fd3)
Same shirt, only this time with the binder. It shapes the chest quite nicely (imho). The breasts are still somewhat apparent but less. Personally I'm satisfied with the binding effect due to my cup size. Also, I expect an enhanced effect after my period when the bombshells are gone.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pix8.net%2Fpro%2Fpic.php%3Fu%3D19380jYID1%26amp%3Bi%3D1152714&hash=1297be829ea6806bfb670faa7f29846255d3e1f9)
Binder with a regular, more tight than wide T.
Notes The binding area definitely falls in the breast department. I notice it's a bit loose for me around the ribcage area beneath the breasts, but I have an irregular size there (smaller: 70 istead of the common 75 for my cup size). I might get that adjusted at a tailor, but I'll see. Otherwise; the fabric doesn't cut in anywhere. There's enough space beneath the armpits. The straps feel fine to me; no cutting in and not too loose. So yes, it feels very comfortable.
If anyone has any questions feel free to launch them. Cheers. 8)
Looks great no_id. It definitely does a great job of shaping your chest.
Question: Does anyone here get random sharp pain in one or two distinct spots after binding for a while? Sometimes even a sports bra is enough to do that to me and it is tremendously annoying.
Quote from: dtt47 on March 03, 2010, 07:03:15 PM
Question: Does anyone here get random sharp pain in one or two distinct spots after binding for a while? Sometimes even a sports bra is enough to do that to me and it is tremendously annoying.
FREAKY.. ok I had been wearing my double compression binder sence 10:30 this morning.. its 9:44 now.. and I JUST got a weird sharp pain, so i took it off (which I HATE having it off)
Quote from: Osiris on March 03, 2010, 01:06:22 PM
Looks great no_id. It definitely does a great job of shaping your chest.
Thanks Os. ;)
Alright, I have 3 different binders, and a very large chest (36 F). Although I absolutely hate showing my chest I know it will probably help somebody. Here are pictures of just about the same angle wearing the same shirt (pulled tighter a bit) in the same lighting.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y243/Halfway_to_Nowhere/997.jpg (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y243/Halfway_to_Nowhere/997.jpg)
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y243/Halfway_to_Nowhere/nothing.jpg (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y243/Halfway_to_Nowhere/nothing.jpg)
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y243/Halfway_to_Nowhere/sportsbra.jpg (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y243/Halfway_to_Nowhere/sportsbra.jpg)
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y243/Halfway_to_Nowhere/tkingdom.jpg (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y243/Halfway_to_Nowhere/tkingdom.jpg)
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y243/Halfway_to_Nowhere/tritop.jpg (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y243/Halfway_to_Nowhere/tritop.jpg)
So there you have it...a "big guy" wearing a 997, nothing, a crappy sports bra, a t-kingdom binder, and the underworks tri-top. I like the 997 the most.
I concur, Nygeel. The 997 definately does the best job for you in those pics.
Nygeel: Honestly, I don't know what nox is seeing.
IMHO, the tritop does the absolute best. The T-Kingdom binder is right behind it, showing just a slight bit more feminine chest. So when you have to switch around for washing, keep between the two.
Quote from: Wolf Man on March 04, 2010, 08:59:16 AM
Nygeel: Honestly, I don't know what nox is seeing.
IMHO, the tritop does the absolute best. The T-Kingdom binder is right behind it, showing just a slight bit more feminine chest. So when you have to switch around for washing, keep between the two.
I agree with WM here. Last two look the best to me.
I prefer the 997 because it binds my hips (which are larger). It's the most comfortable (besides the T kingdom). It's moderate binding and moderate comfort. The tri top binds my chest more but feels really weird because my chest almost pokes out of the bottom (sag like whoa). The tri top also makes it really hard to breathe.
The T kingdom one I have to bind my chest differently from the down and out way. My chest is mostly coming out of the armpit holes.
Going on just visuals I have to agree with Wolfman and no_id. The tritop and TKingdom do the best job. The 997 still shows curves. Of course you could make any of those binders work depending on what shirt you were wearing since different styles will conceal different things.
Hi, folks. I just wanted to remind you of rule 13 of the Terms of Service. Please do not post commercial links unless you have express permission from Susan. I went through and removed the links, but sometimes a post makes no sense with the link removed. You might want to review your posts and make sure that your meaning is getting across without violating the TOS.
For the record, I was pretty happy with the Cotton Concealer from Underworks. Someone earlier on this thread said or implied that they don't work. I would say that some binders work well for some people and not for other people. In my case, I am allergic to synthetic fabrics (less so now that I'm on T, which is interesting), so the CC was a real boon. As Miniar said, you can turn it inside out so that the 90% cotton shell is right next to your skin. The CC does not have the killer binding power of some of the other binders, but it can work for some folks, especially if you double it over or use two, one on top of the other.
I had found an Ebay seller in the UK selling some Underworks (and other) models. Then, after pondering my budget for a while, my thoughts drifted to a swimming costume I've had for years. It squishes my C cups down to about an A, although obviously that's not enough. So, after reading of people buying a size smaller in [enter makeshift binder here], I thought back to the swimwear idea. I've found a two piece outfit in a 32" (I'm 34") going for about £19, so will give that a shot.
Quote from: Nemo on March 04, 2010, 03:24:37 PM
I've found a two piece outfit in a 32" (I'm 34") going for about £19, so will give that a shot.
Good luck. Sometimes success comes in strange packages.
I should point out that many people have found the Underworks sizing chart to be inaccurate, at least as far as people like us are concerned. Someone said that the chart was designed for male bodies? Anyway, I found that I consistently had to order the next smaller size to get a good fit. As always, your mileage may vary.
Quote from: Wolf Man on March 04, 2010, 08:59:16 AM
Nygeel: Honestly, I don't know what nox is seeing.
IMHO, the tritop does the absolute best. The T-Kingdom binder is right behind it, showing just a slight bit more feminine chest. So when you have to switch around for washing, keep between the two.
I can see where the tritop ends on him under his shirt.
Has anyone tried the new extreme chest concealer with the relaxed fit on the stomach? I did a search for it and couldn't find many reviews or pics. Right now I'm going back and forth between that, the tritop and the 997.
I need some binding tips. I'm a new ftm transgender and I haven't told my parents yet. I want to bind but I can't order binders without telling my parents. I have some smaller sports bras that I have been wearing, but I'm not satisfied with the results.
Hi, welcome to the forum :)
A few posts ago, I pondered the idea of a swimming costume that's a size too small. Make sure it's a high lycra/alternative content, maybe make sure it's two-piece, otherwise it could get a little awkward. I can't afford to buy mine yet, but maybe you could give that a go?
Thanks for the idea. I'll try that and see how it goes.
Ok, so has anyone who started T had this problem?
I started T 9 weeks ago and for the last 2 weeks probably my binders have been sliding down but have been really tight on the sides of my stomach, waist, hips, and ribs. I don't really understand why it is sliding down. (I understand that my ribs are getting larger and my curves are going away) Anyone have this problem or have a solution besides pull it up over and over again?
How feasible is it to wear the 997 while working out? I ordered myself a 997 yesterday and I'm hoping to be able to wear it to karate since my boobs get in the way of my blocks and stuff and there are a few moves that actually make them audibly slap together even when I'm wearing several sports bras, which is just disgusting. Would I be able to do that?
Quote from: Devin87 on March 07, 2010, 07:48:30 AM
How feasible is it to wear the 997 while working out? I ordered myself a 997 yesterday and I'm hoping to be able to wear it to karate since my boobs get in the way of my blocks and stuff and there are a few moves that actually make them audibly slap together even when I'm wearing several sports bras, which is just disgusting. Would I be able to do that?
I have trouble breathing while wearing mine but the more in shape I get the better it is. I would say just do cardio and give yourself time to get used to breathing with it on.
I struggle wearing mine to the gym- mind you i struggle with going to the gym :laugh:
Quote from: Carson on March 06, 2010, 04:42:19 PM
I started T 9 weeks ago and for the last 2 weeks probably my binders have been sliding down but have been really tight on the sides of my stomach, waist, hips, and ribs.
Whoa, sliding DOWN? No, I never had that problem. Maybe I'm unclear about what you mean. Could you clarify? What kind of binders do you use?
Quote from: Carson on March 06, 2010, 04:42:19 PM
Ok, so has anyone who started T had this problem?
I started T 9 weeks ago and for the last 2 weeks probably my binders have been sliding down but have been really tight on the sides of my stomach, waist, hips, and ribs. I don't really understand why it is sliding down. (I understand that my ribs are getting larger and my curves are going away) Anyone have this problem or have a solution besides pull it up over and over again?
Are you using one with a specific binding area, like from T Kingdom? That slides down on me, I guess because the binder size is too big for my body, but the lumps would be too big for the next size down. If that's what it is for you, then you probably want to try an Underworks one. (:
I'm using the Underworks 997 Double Front, the one that binds the whole way down. I am confused too lol.
If it's alright to work into working out with the 997, what about the Tri Top? Or is that just too much compression directly over my chest?
I got my 997 today. It's not bad. I still have the little boob "drop off" thing under my boobs, but like I said before, I'm a big guy and lots of big guys have moobs, so I can get away with it to an extent. I'll have to post pictures at some point. And it's a lot more comfortable than I was expecting. It's not cutting in anywhere and I can breathe pretty well. I'm not sure if I'll be wearing it to work out quite yet. Maybe after I get used to it.
Okay, so I'm back to report on the swimsuit idea. Apologies for the quality of the pictures, but getting a shot of your chest when you can't see what you're doing is no easy task. Hopefully it won't be too hard to tell what the effects of each one are.
Yes, I have pictures! Two comparisons each; on its own, and under a loose Tshirt. Apart from the first two:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.simthology.info%2Fimages%2Ffiles%2F0001%2FSportsBra.jpg&hash=9f58292086de3c0d15150998c1947b9f9a187304)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.simthology.info%2Fimages%2Ffiles%2F0001%2FSportsBraShirt.jpg&hash=8f3596bd55621e7e823899d760c19a76dd5a1ce1)
This is just to show what I have to work with. In that shot I'm wearing a sports bra, and I'd not long finished working out - because I do that at home, I'm less bothered how I look.
Anyway, onto the first swimsuit idea I had:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.simthology.info%2Fimages%2Ffiles%2F0001%2FSwimsuit.jpg&hash=7bd1beb5691b11181acee2ac5f5b7f2e4e9f44df)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.simthology.info%2Fimages%2Ffiles%2F0001%2FSwimsuitShirt.jpg&hash=827a63135d48fa676c243685955c74780b4677d2)
This is a one-piece swimsuit I bought years ago, back when I wasn't thinking of binding. High lycra content and does a.. not bad job, although I sweated buckets the first and only time I went outside in it.
Onto my current binder:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.simthology.info%2Fimages%2Ffiles%2F0001%2FBikini.jpg&hash=04898505843bf027f1be689539ca7ff2e06260f9)(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.simthology.info%2Fimages%2Ffiles%2F0001%2FBikiniShirt.jpg&hash=c0df871cc383ff1a8d67faa99281587c1edb07ad)
This is the top half of a two-piece swimsuit I bought on ebay - this time I did buy for binding, so I bought a size too small. I have mixed feelings about it if I'm honest - does about the same as the orange one in those pics, although I've since got a slightly better result with it. Still, it's not too bad under that shirt, so it's good for the time being at least :) Oh, and the best part? It doesn't make me sweat, and is generally more comfortable.
Just got my tri top ;D
For 1) It took only 3 days to get here via regular shipping. Score!
For 2) It binds like a charm, I can finally wear just tshirts and since it's getting hotter here...that is a VERY GOOD thing.
For 3) If you have some sort of pecs before you get a binder...and if it's a good binder that binds really flat and strongly, it'll bring out your pecs when you have the binder on. That's what the tri top does for me.
I did start hyperventilating and got claustrophobic while trying to put it on cause I tried to do it over my head (stupid, stepping into it is the only way) and got stuck in it. But I finally got it on by stepping into it. Damn, it's tight. But I'm anal about my chest...it has to be tight enough that I'm comfortable (sometimes not literally, but comfortable with how flat it is).
I have absolutely no idea how you guys can step into yours. Mine has zero chance of making it past my hips. Not that over the head is fun, but at least it's possible.
I am baffled by it too, kyril. I would guess the guys that manage it that way are better off in the hip department then we are or they are bit more persistent. :P
I could pull it over my head if my shoulders were double jointed. When I step into mine it will get stuck at my waist but at least I can get it on. My hips are about 45 and my waist is 33...so long as I hold the straps up and just pull it up that way I can slip my arms in. 'Cept with the tri top. I have no idea how I get that on.
Yeah, Nygeel, I have no idea how you get it to your waist in the first place for it to get stuck there. Mine gets stuck about halfway up my thighs. That is, the one that's a size too big gets stuck there...I didn't bother with the new size small I just got.
I don't actually have any trouble sliding them past the shoulders though, they just sort of go right on (though I don't know what I'll do if working out builds my shoulders to where that doesn't work anymore). The main struggle is that they then proceed to roll and bunch up into a suffocating mass just under my armpits, and it takes a lot of work to extract the bottom edge and slide it down while trying not to panic.
Eh, my hips are just slightly larger than my chest so it's not that big of a deal.
Now, I have one question: There is a binder on the underworks site that has closures in the front and is double compression. If anybody has used this is it the same as the 997?
I'm debating between getting the one with the closures in the front and the 997.
Got a New binder today. :D
It's only been a few weeks since I got my (first) binder from T-Kingdom, 801 model (top, black).
Now I also wanted to get a longer model, white and so the search was on.
Of course, first stop were Underworks and T-Kingdom, but then I found out there is actually a designer in my country (Netherlands) who designed an entire line for transmen and transwomen (binders, underwear, bodysuits - and yer they sell Mr. Limpy... In mocca too! :O). The binder line is a bit of a mix of T-Kingdom and Underworks which makes it pretty funky. They actually sell a strapless one as well. o.O
Personally, I thought the story was pretty cool; the designer, Danae never planned a line like this, but when she noticed her brother (a transman) was really struggling (pre- top surgery) she wanted to help him out and started designing a binder for him... Something thoughtful that expanded into an entire TG-line called trans-missie (trans-mission).
Anyhow, I couldn't resist supporting something like this in my own country and thus ordered a binder much alike the 997 underworks model. Contacted Danae in the eve about size and got an answer the following morning (even got an invite to drop by for a fitting session, and that she could take my sizes then for a custom if needed). I resisted the urge to ask her out for a cup of coffee.. 8)
So, new binder: white, long model size S, binds a bit more than the T-Kingdom 801. Also got my first rug burn because of it and actually enjoyed it (rug burn.. joy.. eh? - just made me feel victorious when I got it on). I have to agree with Kyrill though; absolutely no clue how guys get it passed their hips... ???
Yeah, yeah, I'm done ranting. :P
Feel free to throw me a PM if you want more info on Danae's line. 8)
Are you wearing anything under your binder like a shirt? That would help with the rug burn and cutting into your skin.
Quote from: Radar on March 26, 2010, 09:07:10 PM
Are you wearing anything under your binder like a shirt? That would help with the rug burn and cutting into your skin.
Haven't tried that yet, thanks. :)
I'm also going to try applying some talc powder, should make it easier.
Okay, I need some binding advice - I hope you lovely guys can help me on this:
As I mentioned a few posts back, the swimsuit idea isn't working too well. I won't name names, but one very nice person has offered to buy me a proper binder! :D So now I'm spoilt for choice - I've been looking at this Danae website and it looks good. What I need to know is, what's the best way to go about binding a 34C cup on a small frame? (After measuring, my binder size comes to 32".) Any recommendations please?
When measuring to buy binders how on earth do you do it? Like it is over what i want to get rid of, i get that but should i measure tightly like how tight i want it and how flat or loosely like the actual size of them??
sorry if that doesnt make sense... i am having difficulty phrasing it!
What I've heard is to measure the fullest part of the bust and the chest underneath, add those measurements together, then divide by 2. The result is what you should look for in binders (e.g for me, I'm looking for 32" binders, which are usually small(?)).
Hope that helps :)
Thankies :D That is much help, i can now look into getting a real binder instead of a home made construction of tights and a wife beater...
Quote from: Nemo on March 27, 2010, 04:20:09 PM
Okay, I need some binding advice - I hope you lovely guys can help me on this:
As I mentioned a few posts back, the swimsuit idea isn't working too well. I won't name names, but one very nice person has offered to buy me a proper binder! :D So now I'm spoilt for choice - I've been looking at this Danae website and it looks good. What I need to know is, what's the best way to go about binding a 34C cup on a small frame? (After measuring, my binder size comes to 32".) Any recommendations please?
I would ask the people that run Danae what material it's made of, then compare it against something from a place like underworks where most people know the binding power of. I remember seeing a website where a person makes custom binders and everything but they're all made completely of cotton which just doesn't seem like the right material for a binding a large chest like mine.
Quote from: Nygeel on March 27, 2010, 05:59:06 PM
I would ask the people that run Danae what material it's made of, then compare it against something from a place like underworks where most people know the binding power of. I remember seeing a website where a person makes custom binders and everything but they're all made completely of cotton which just doesn't seem like the right material for a binding a large chest like mine.
Hmm... well, I'm not that familiar with the binding power of the Underworks tops, but I'm guessing this double compression I keep hearing of is the way to go? Is that what you use?
Quote from: Nemo on March 27, 2010, 06:15:54 PM
Hmm... well, I'm not that familiar with the binding power of the Underworks tops, but I'm guessing this double compression I keep hearing of is the way to go? Is that what you use?
I've got three binders and I'm oddly misshapen (34 F). For myself I prefer the underworks 997/double front. I know a lot of guys hate that binder. I've also got a tri-top which for me, I don't like it but there are a lot of guys that love it. Then I've got a T-kingdom. I wear that when I'm lazy/not feeling too dysphoric (it binds in the wrong places, doesn't feel secure, and is just odd for my body type...and it's 3 sizes too small).
Different things for different body types.
Quote from: Nygeel on March 27, 2010, 06:21:28 PM
I've got three binders and I'm oddly misshapen (34 F). For myself I prefer the underworks 997/double front. I know a lot of guys hate that binder. I've also got a tri-top which for me, I don't like it but there are a lot of guys that love it. Then I've got a T-kingdom. I wear that when I'm lazy/not feeling too dysphoric (it binds in the wrong places, doesn't feel secure, and is just odd for my body type...and it's 3 sizes too small).
Different things for different body types.
Yeah, very true. I have a cheaper Underworks vest that I bought on Ebay (fits like my old swimsuit, although I can try doubling up on it while I wait), and I don't like the way it goes right down to my thighs (I'm short :P), so I'll probably go for the tri-top. Thanks for the response :)
I previously posted several pictures of myself in different binders. Many people suggested that the T-kingdom binder was the best/second best. I hate the darn thing so I've decided to post a second picture of the binder without a shirt. Please note that this binder is an XL which is the largest they offer, and was two sizes too small. DON'T LOOK AT GAGA!
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y243/Halfway_to_Nowhere/binding.jpg (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y243/Halfway_to_Nowhere/binding.jpg)
This is how everything falls without adjustments. I can push my chest down a little, but there's really not a lot of binding fabric, the binding part is in the wrong place, etc.
Quote from: Nygeel on March 27, 2010, 05:59:06 PM
I would ask the people that run Danae what material it's made of[...]
All binders are 100% lyrca.
Quote from: Nygeel on March 28, 2010, 06:24:31 PM
I previously posted several pictures of myself in different binders. Many people suggested that the T-kingdom binder was the best/second best. I hate the darn thing so I've decided to post a second picture of the binder without a shirt. Please note that this binder is an XL which is the largest they offer, and was two sizes too small. DON'T LOOK AT GAGA!
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y243/Halfway_to_Nowhere/binding.jpg (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y243/Halfway_to_Nowhere/binding.jpg)
This is how everything falls without adjustments. I can push my chest down a little, but there's really not a lot of binding fabric, the binding part is in the wrong place, etc.
Meh, definitely some drooping on the sides. When it comes down to it; if you hate it - don't wear it. ;)
Quote from: no_id on March 27, 2010, 05:35:38 AMHaven't tried that yet, thanks. :)I'm also going to try applying some talc powder, should make it easier.
I wear an A-frame tank top underneath and it feels comfortable. Make sure to pull the bottom part of the armholes of the tank top up so that it goes over the bottom part of the binder armholes. That way you have a layer of protection at your armpit and it rubs on the shirt instead of the skin. Did that make any sense? I tried talc at first but it didn't do anything for me.
Quote from: Radar on March 30, 2010, 08:09:03 AM
I wear an A-frame tank top underneath and it feels comfortable. Make sure to pull the bottom part of the armholes of the tank top up so that it goes over the bottom part of the binder armholes. That way you have a layer of protection at your armpit and it rubs on the shirt instead of the skin. Did that make any sense? I tried talc at first but it didn't do anything for me.
Thanks for the tip Radar. I understood what you meant. Talc powder wasn't a success, but quickly absorbed bodylotion was; made it a whole lot smoother to get on and any skin irriation immediately got eased because of the lotion. I wore it for several hours the other day and actually didn't have issues with it cutting into my skin or causing irritation. Maybe I'm lucky with my frame, or perhaps it won't kick in till I've worn it more often. :)
About getting the tri top past hips...I guess I'm blessed in that department. Although they look downright horrid to me, I guess the fact that I can get it past my hips (I do have to tug and yank but I'd do anything short of dying for a flat chest) shows that I don't really have hips. I ordered a small and I'm 5'8", don't know my chesticle size or if I did, wouldn't post it, and 140lbs. I didn't bother measuring before I ordered cause I know that it would probably tell me to get a medium but I know that the bigger sizes don't bind as much as I'd like (been there, done that), so I got the small. Plus with time, the binder will get looser. I DO NOT advise any of this foolishness, cause my binder cuts into me. When I do take it off (once every 48 hours...yeah yeah I know)...I put cocoa butter on the places it cuts into. I guess I have a longer torso cause it only comes to the bottom of my rib cage, maybe even a little above.
I have no idea how you guys get a tri-top on over your head. I got my tri-top in July and after the first week, gave up on getting it on that way. I have huge hips and thighs, trust me. The first couple weeks, I tore skin off my fingers getting it on over my hips, but over time it's gotten a lot easier to get on. It cuts into me under my arms, but not always. I kind of just grin and bear it, because it flattens me out really well. I almost always pass, atleast body wise. FYI for zombies, I'm 5'5 145lbs with a small B chest, and I got a small and it fits fine. Don't worry about what other people say, everyone seems to have a differing opinion on what sizes to buy for what body type anyway.
Forgot to add I don't wear anything under my binder. I used to wear an underarmor type shirt under it, but I've gotten used to wearing nothing under it. A wife beater type undershirt never worked for me, it always bunched up and just got in the way. I just wear a white t-shirt over my binder and then whatever shirt I'm wearing that day and it looks fine!
Okay, so i know you're not supposed
to use ace bandages, but o found
this really good leg ace bandage that
completely wraps around the whole chest
and binds really really well.
I mean binding is going to hurt no
matter what, but it really works
and it was only like eight dollars.
I think I'll keep using until I get
my chest surgery done.
As I mentioned on the previous page of this thread, I got a binder from a Dutch provider; Danae 'Trans-mission'.
Decided to add some pics now to give folk an idea on how it binds. Just the binder, no shirts underneath or on top, and no; I'm not small-chested. 8)
Model 103:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pix8.net%2Fpro%2Fpic.php%3Fu%3D19380jYID1%26amp%3Bi%3D1153919&hash=f70e16ea427fec384e03ddaed1a5b60fb2c960df)
On page 4 of this thread you can find my pics with the T-Kingdom 801 model.
That seems to work really well no_id!! Good deal!!
Quote from: konman on March 31, 2010, 09:02:58 PM
That seems to work really well no_id!! Good deal!!
Yep I thought so too, thanks man! :D 8)
Yeah, I wear nothing under my binder. I think that underarmor or something slippery like that would make things...shift...
Quote from: Aaron Chris on January 23, 2010, 12:25:32 PM
If you remove it [tape] slowly and carefully, maybe with the help of adhesive remover or something, there shouldn't be a problem. I've used sports tape to bind so that I could wear an open shirt before - granted that was for cosplaying, not everyday, but it worked really well and I've considered trying it again.
I used to use tape to bind and don't recommend it. Sports tape is the worst because it's too sticky. I used cheap dollar store packing tape (clear), which wasn't very sticky at all. Then I would remove it SLOWLY with hot water (shower) and sometimes baby oil. Even with those precautions, it still irritated the skin and injured some parts. It's also nigh-impossible to remove if you need it off NOW -- ie cutting off breathing/circulation. You can seriously hurt yourself doing that.
Here are some things I've done to bind:My first "real" binder was (no kidding) a girdle with the old hook and eye closure (how a bra is closed), with a few of the middle hooks undone. This worked for a couple of years.
Tight stretchy undershirt. Champion, Underarmor, Nike, available at Target/WalMart/Etc. They are stretchy (lycra?) and breathe really well.
Ace bandage (aka crepe bandage). This worked for me a bit in middle school, but is actually the worst binding method for me since I have a large chest. Bandages make it more noticeable, believe it or not.
Packaging tape. The el-cheapo variety from dollar general that really couldn't hold together cardboard, was thin and very flimsy. Worked well, but not great for the skin and more expensive long-term than a real binder. (see above)
Back brace (firm). This worked really well actually, no wonder that so many guys in days of yore used these. Downsides are that it constricts the chest too much sometimes, and pretty thick so you can't wear it without layering a bit. At least not if you're me. ;)
Soft neoprene exercise band (for your waist). Sometimes this worked great, other times not so much. Also gave huge tall blisters because of friction. Works great if you are wearing a casual button-down and t-shirt.
Underworks double-layer. I'm 5'8"+ and found this to be too long. It would roll up and cut into my thighs -- which I'm sure is hard to picture. I still have it, but considering chopping off the bottom 1/3 or so. The binding ranges from just okay to great-but-can't-breathe-well for me. But I'm very large-chested, so take that with a grain of salt. It also compresses my stomach a lot, but maybe I am oddly-shaped or something. ???
GC2 Compression. Works great for me, still too long, compresses a bit less than underworks, but works well with a button-down or layers. Doesn't compress my stomach as much and you can buy a custom-fit one for $10 more. I may wind up doing that because I must pull them down more than most or something.
Does anyone else have issues with binding, cause their pecs are too large and make it look like you have tits? Cause it's impossible to bind muscle. And I have pecs. I use the tri top and it binds everything except my pecs and in my mind, it makes it look like...not pecs.
Zombies- I don't have any experience with binding, but I'm afraid I would have the same problem. I'm really thin, unhealthily so, (not my fault, it's genetic) so the majority of my "pecs" are tissue rather than fat, and doesn't flatten down as well.
I've been looking at underworks binders and I eventually want to get a tri-top, but I wondered if anybody had any suggestions for binding small chests? Can us ectomorphs who can't pull off "moobs" or pecs get a flat chest through binding?? I also can't figure how to do the measurements for underworks either. I'm rubbish at math and it says to take the average of two measurements? The widest part of my chest is 32" and my rib cage just below it is 28". Would that be a size 30" binder?
Technically, yes, it would give you 30" - but from my experience, you want to go down one size from that. I think 30" would put you in a small, so if so, go to an extra-small. And skip the Underworks cotton concealer entirely. I'm significantly larger than you in both measurements, I wear an extra-small, and it doesn't really bind at all - I have to wear a sports bra under it. You'll need a Tri-Top, Extreme Chest Concealer, or the basic 997 - basically the ones with PowerNet will really flatten, whereas the ones with nylon spandex just sort of gently compress/smooth. You may have some luck with T-Kingdom, but it really depends on your proportions.
I never had any real luck binding when I was small/skinny with a firm chest. Nothing I tried worked, it just made me look lumpy. A binder might smooth out the lines, but it's not going to let you wear close-fitted clothes. The main advantage, if you bind tightly enough for long enough, is that it will break down the tissue and thus slowly become more effective.
Thanks! I'd like to get one and try it out but I'm not sure. I haven't really got any disposable income and I'm worried about what my family would say if I all of the sudden had a flat chest. "Oh hey, mom... I found a better bra!" Not sure how well it would go, and since I still live at home I'd rather avoid questions.
I've also seen lots of top surgery videos on youtube and I like to pretend that one day I'll be able to get it. Since I'm really small I've been hoping for keyhole or peri-areolar but I read that it's best if the tissue hasn't been broken down? Basically I'm just really undecided and not moving forward. :eusa_think:
I'm pretty skinny. I'm average height for a male. As my drag dad said, if I were completely flat chested, it would look unnatural. I have pecs when I bind, as I said. They look like pecs to everyone but me, lol.
I suddenly had a flat chest one day, when I still lived with my mom. It was awkward and she noticed, but I didn't like her and didn't care. So that was that.
Oh, and I don't go by the Underworks measurements. I want something that will bind, regardless of if I suffocate. But that's me. I don't advise sacrificing your health just to have a flat chest.
I'm an A cup, reallyy small, 5'3 and skinny, my chest is around 28-30 inch, does anyone have any suggestions on which binder would be best for me?
I'm around the same size as you and the underworks tri-top is great. It doesn't roll up, doesn't put pressure on the stomach and it's cooler in Summer. It's also the only underworks binder that starts at 28". The others start bigger.
Quote from: Gizzy on April 14, 2010, 07:10:29 PM
I'm around the same size as you and the underworks tri-top is great. It doesn't roll up, doesn't put pressure on the stomach and it's cooler in Summer. It's also the only underworks binder that starts at 28". The others start bigger.
Thanks, think I'll get that one.
It's been kind of awhile since anyones posted on this, but I thought i'd just review a binder :)
Underworks 988
I really like this binder, I tried the tritop and double front compression and they just didn't really fit. The 988 is sort of like a combination of the tritop an the double front, it only binds your chest like the tritop, but it has an extra layer that makes it longer so you can tuck it into your pants and wont roll up. The 988 makes me really flat (I am small chested) and I really like it, but the seams along the sides and in the collar/back stick out so sometimes it's noticeable and I'm not sure how to fix it. I haven't seen many reviews on the 988 and I wanted people to know about it :)
I have a bit of a question for those who use/have used the Underworks 997 - what's the compression on the hips like?
I'm short (5'3") and on the heavy side (~160 lbs), and though the front of my stomach is fine, getting better with exercise, I'm still carrying a bunch of weight on my hips. I'm a medium according to the sizing for that model, but I'm worried that the hips might be uncomfortable in the medium. (I'm a bit oddly proportioned - my waist is 34/36 in men's jeans, but above that I have this chubby feminine bulge :-\)
Are there any other binders that also man up the hips?
(Whatever I do get, it'll be my first binder. Yay for eighteenth birthdays and paypal accounts!)
Also, general question for anybody who's ordered from Underworks: I'm in Eastern Ontario - would it be reasonable to expect delivery within 4-5 days?
Just throwing my experiences out here; hope it helps someone.
I'm a 34DD. Yeah. Um. Yeah. 5'5 and 140. I have a medium 997 and I do like it. However, that's only because I butchered it. It was KILLER on my waist and made breathing hard, plus it rolled up all the time. So, I cut it in half. The bottom half I made into an entire additional binder (luckily I can sew) and THEN recut the 'original' top to have larger armholes because it rubbed and felt like crap, even with something under it. Binding is fine, but not superb. I mean, with my measurements, you can't expect flat and I'm not, but if I wear a button down shirt it's fine. I'm not trying to pass, so it doesn't bother me. Ok, just reread and that sounds like the 997 is the most awful thing on the planet. I'll rephrase: Before I reworked it, it sat in my drawer on most days and I just dealt with a sports bra. Now I wear it daily.
When I requested sizing help, they said to go with a medium 997 or a large tritop. I agree with the 997 rec but in the tritop I wouldn't size up to the large, I'd get a medium (and am thinking about it).
And now, a request. Can I get a recommendation on something for summer? I don't like the feel of the underworks fabric against bare skin, but I can deal if I have to. It's really more the sweat ickiness than the fabric. I don't want to have to wear a ton of layers and need to be fairly comfortable. I'm thinking of trying a medium tritop but I'd kind of like to try a velcro version. I'm thinking T-kingdom won't bind well enough, I LOVE the look of the Denae's so may go that way. Someone recommend something! ???:)
Oh, and hints for getting it on over your head: You need to put one arm the whole way in, down to your shoulder and THEN squeeze your other arm in. You can't do both at once. This works for me, at least, but my binders aren't super, super small.
Quote from: Renard on December 02, 2010, 08:25:05 PM
I have a bit of a question for those who use/have used the Underworks 997 - what's the compression on the hips like?
I'm short (5'3") and on the heavy side (~160 lbs), and though the front of my stomach is fine, getting better with exercise, I'm still carrying a bunch of weight on my hips. I'm a medium according to the sizing for that model, but I'm worried that the hips might be uncomfortable in the medium. (I'm a bit oddly proportioned - my waist is 34/36 in men's jeans, but above that I have this chubby feminine bulge :-\)
Are there any other binders that also man up the hips?
(Whatever I do get, it'll be my first binder. Yay for eighteenth birthdays and paypal accounts!)
Also, general question for anybody who's ordered from Underworks: I'm in Eastern Ontario - would it be reasonable to expect delivery within 4-5 days?
I wear a size 30 pant and the 997 medium wouldn't stay down over my hips. It constantly rode up whether I tucked, wore a belt, etc. I wouldn't plan on it working for your hips; it was TIGHT on me and I'm 5'5 and 140. Everyone's different though, so who knows? I can tell you that it's going to really restrict your stomach and breathing; at least it did me. It was pretty darn uncomfortable. You can read my whole rambly post before this, so I won't bore everyone with repeating.
I'm in Massachusetts, so not TOO far and it took a full week to get to me without customs to deal with, mostly due to their delay in shipping. Could have been a fluke and you might have yours in a few days, but it could take longer depending on how they ship to you. So, I'd say hope for a week but don't freak if it's a big longer :) Hopefully someone else from CA can chime in on that one.
Happy Birthday :)
I wear size 33 or 34 waist and have 41-inch hips, and the 997 medium (which was "correct" for my measurements - 34C chest) was bloody enormous on me. Snug on the hips, but fit my chest like a sack. I wear an XS in the 997 and while it's not precisely "comfortable" it nonetheless is wearable. I have to belt my pants fairly tightly to hold it down, and I've had some very mild chafing from the seams at my hips, but...meh, not a big deal. Obviously I'm not getting it on by pulling it over my hips though...lol.
I actually like the 988. 2 problems with it though: (1) the binding fabric isn't attached to the cotton tank top fabric all the way around (so it sort of slides up a bit and constricts under my chest, even though it can't properly roll) and (2) because the outer material is cotton it can stick to shirts. I wish it were the nylon microfiber fabric used on the outside of the 998. I also with it were cut like a muscle shirt instead of a tank, just because I have pecs and armpit fat that bulges out horribly.
The binding on both is tolerable. I haven't found any Underworks binder that actually binds well; the lesloveboat ones made of non-stretchy fabric are much better, but sadly tend to look somewhat bra-like so I usually wear an Underworks binder over them to smooth out lines.
Thank you both for the info!
I am losing weight, albeit at a very slow pace (15 lbs since spring ::)). I don't wear tight-fitting clothes, so I don't need it to be perfect on the chest - I think being a bit broad-shouldered might help there too. I can handle some discomfort, especially if it means being able to present decently.
Between both your answers, I'm rather torn between the medium and large xD If I get a medium and it's too small, though, it might give me a tangible goal, weight-wise, to work towards...
-pondering-
Some of the other models look neat too- definitely variety there, so I can experiment with a few and see what works for me, I suppose :) Thanks, again, for sharing your experiences!