Well, I don't know how much this stuff is actually going to do, but today I went to Wallgreens and bought myself some DHEA pills. It says on the side effect list that it causes facial hair and voice deepening in "women". So we'll see. If it works I'll update y'all, for anyone that, like me, has no access to prescription T.
Playing with steroids is a very dangerous game and who knows what the final affects they will have on your body. At the very least consult your doctor before progressing with this plan.
Can you say what DHEA is?
Quote from: WikipediaDehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) is an endogenous steroid that has been implicated in a broad range of biological effects in humans and other mammals. Together with its sulfate ester (DHEA-S), it is the most abundant steroid in humans.[citation needed] DHEA is produced by adrenal glands, but also synthesized de novo in the brain.[citation needed] It acts on the androgen receptor both directly and through its metabolites, which include androstenediol and androstenedione, which can undergo further conversion to produce the androgen testosterone and the estrogens estrone and estradiol. DHEA is also a potent sigma-1 agonist.[3] It is considered a neurosteroid.
Found it.
There is a chance you may get the effects you seek.
There is also a chance you may develop acne.
can you say how much you intend to take please?
Post Merge: January 23, 2010, 06:28:45 PM
Thanks janet. I've been scraping through all the places I know of and took a while to press the POST button.
I've got quite a bit of info on it now. Hopefully Aaron will respond soon.
Spacial, we're not allowed to talk doses for safety reasons.
Also, T would give acne too.
OK scrub the question.
Aaron, just be careful. :)
Being absolutely useless at this kind of thing is it similar to the body building supplements you can get that are aimed at increasing t production
I'm a teenager, acne is already very much present. -_-' Haha. I won't say the dose, only that I'm taking what the label on the bottle says to take.
I'll be getting an estrogen blocker as soon as I can afford it, so that won't be a problem for long.
Also, there's been legislation around for it for like, 5 years so I'm not all that concerned.
Hmm something I'd definately be interested in hearing about, especially the voice deepening. Wonder how long that could take before you would notice? My worry is the possible raised estrogen...NOT something I want. I'm not on a blocker...tho maybe I should ask for one.
I'm planning to make recordings of my voice every now and then. We'll see. ^_^
if i remember properly DHEA is really weal and converted to T by the tests and to E by the ovaries. Which one do you have?
Then again I doubt increasing your E could damage you (pre-T) as much as increase T can damage a pre E/Anti-T.
It's the base of sex hormones. Is converted into Progesterone > Testosterone > Estrogen.
That is, if it's even real DHEA. Studies didn't show many results if I recall and supposedly real DHEA is hard to come across.
I can understand trying out something like this in the short term, but I'd honestly continue with therapy and working towards actual T shots.
You can overclock those XX internals, but if you want results you're going to have to eventually import your T from an external source (libtestosterone.so? :laugh:)
I understand the desperation, but I think the money is better spent on jumping through hoops for real T.
Quote from: Teknoir on January 24, 2010, 04:40:32 AM
I understand the desperation, but I think the money is better spent on jumping through hoops for real T.
I'm a minor. My mom wants me to have a baby when I'm older. Guess who's completely NOT on board for me getting T? >.<
Quote from: Aaron Chris on January 24, 2010, 10:56:25 AM
I'm a minor. My mom wants me to have a baby when I'm older. Guess who's completely NOT on board for me getting T? >.<
Ah. Gotcha.
Good luck then! I've heard exercise can increase the effectivness of those pills. Remember that you won't be a minor forever.
Your mom does know that adoption is an option, right? I don't get this whole push to breed thing... we're not dying out as a species any time soon.
Quote from: Teknoir on January 24, 2010, 03:58:14 PM
Your mom does know that adoption is an option, right? I don't get this whole push to breed thing... we're not dying out as a species any time soon.
I know... but she's a midwife, and really big on the whole birth-being-sacred-and-holy-and-whatever.
From the information I found on this stuff, I don't think there is a lot to be worried about in the short term.
Some of the side effects may be a problem, But there is no information that I can find detailing the background of those experiencing these.
For example, there is one reported case of a man, taking this stuff who suffered heart arrhythmia. This might be a cause for concern until you look more carefully. Heart Arrhythmias happen to many people. I'm pretty certain that a significant proportion of people with Heart Arrhythmias have walked under ladders. And the report in the case of DHEA is one person. Frankly this sounds a bit like scaremongering, or another case of medical liars.
The problem here is that Aaron is using DHEA for its side effects.
Side effects with any drug happen. They are usually listed according to how common they are, with particularly common ones being noted separately.
I did find a little information on the frequency of some of the side effects, but can't list it here.
My biggest concern is that I can't get any proper or credable information on what constiutes an overdose.
Everything has an overdose. Even tea!! But I can't get a credable source to say what the overdose of DHEA is.
I'm only taking the dose that the bottle says to take, so I think I'm alright. Unless of course it has some sort of violent reaction to a cup of coffee in which case I will soon be dead. :laugh:
Post Merge: January 25, 2010, 09:37:15 PM
Well, it's been 3 days and 1. I haven't died yet and 2. I've noticed some small changes. My appetite, energy level, and libido :icon_redface: have all gone up. I also think there's a very slight change in my voice.
I don't know if this is just wishful thinking, but it seems like my peach fuzz is growing back rougher than usual.
I actually was interested in this because it was a steroid (from what I read) and the fact that it equalizes E and T.
I've been writing down my progress over the first two days, there was a major shift with my body in regards to libido and
mood :embarrassed: . I am nervous taking them everyday, so I alternating my medication until I get my insurance back on.
I was trying this because I've heard people saying it worked...it's given me energy and a little bit more strength also, so if not for T
I'm going to use it for my keeping my energy up. I will be trying to find a way to get T (the legal way.)
I take DHEA as well until I can get on T (which will be at minimum 4-6 months from now, possibly up to a year) and people can debate about whether or not it turns into T or E in an FTM but well documented side effects in women are lowered voice, hirsuitism (increased and darkened facial and body hair) and male pattern baldness...which as I understand are all very directly related to DHT levels.
Since we can't talk about dosage I'll just say I take more than the usual level recommended to cisgender women to attempt to get those desired side-effects, but considerably lower than the upper limit of what is considered a dangerous level.
I also lift heavy and take creatine, which might also increase DHT ( http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19741313 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19741313) ) but definitely helps me lift heavier.
I'm not really expecting miracles, I just wanted to do something that would possibly make me feel better, or at least like I was doing some little thing towards transitioning more. I started on DHEA one month ago yesterday, and besides the improved energy and sex drive (though that could be the weight lifting, or everything combined) I've noticed the hair on my upper lips is starting to get darker. They're still pretty fine but there's a bunch of them that are definitely growing in brown.
I figure DHEA is pretty safe as a supplement for most people, since it's been around almost 50 years now and it's still OTC.
Ryuu, what Estrogen blocker were you planning on getting?
Holy crap!! I definitely have to look into this!! I'm also a minor, and my parents are completely unsupportive, to say the least. This may be a huge start for me! I'm going to Walgreens Friday to take a look at what they have. I only wish I could order some estrogen blockers online without my mother seeing the transaction in my bank account. (Of course she wouldn't know exactly what it is, but she'd want to know when it came in the mail.) I'll be tearing apart Walgreens' supplement shelves! (Not really, but I will be looking, and reading up!)
Quote from: Polo on May 06, 2014, 08:43:43 PM
Ryuu, what Estrogen blocker were you planning on getting?
Which ones do you suggest? So that I know when I go to the store (if they have any).
Quote from: ReubenIsTheName on May 07, 2014, 01:11:28 PM
Holy crap!! I definitely have to look into this!! I'm also a minor, and my parents are completely unsupportive, to say the least. This may be a huge start for me! I'm going to Walgreens Friday to take a look at what they have. I only wish I could order some estrogen blockers online without my mother seeing the transaction in my bank account. (Of course she wouldn't know exactly what it is, but she'd want to know when it came in the mail.) I'll be tearing apart Walgreens' supplement shelves! (Not really, but I will be looking, and reading up!)
Which ones do you suggest? So that I know when I go to the store (if they have any).
Well slow down, it's not usually given to minors due to the fact its mostly a steroid.Since I don't know how much is in it or your body can take, I wouldn't recommend you just "chugging". I'll even suggest protein supplement, Zinc. Magnesium...or any other healthy vitamin/mineral in most male products.
I personally wouldn't say jump on the wagon for the hormones if you haven't been to counseling, it put me into emotional shock seeing how fast my body changed. The changes are nice, but they will scare you if you're not mentally prepared for it.
I'm not saying no to buying it. But what I AM saying is, be very careful of what you put into your body, it only knows whats good for it. And if you get that "Maybe I shouldn't". DON'T do it, it may backfire. I know how it is, but I rather you take your time getting to where you need to be, than jumping on the first opportunity you get and die. (Much love)
Reuben, if you are serious, look into transdermal dhea. High doses of oral dhea can be rough on the liver, so it doesn't do well to combine it with other meds or even regular use of OTC pain relievers like Tylenol or Advil. I'm currently taking liver support supplements and don't use other meds, and will be switching to transdermal dhea very soon (which bypasses the liver since you aren't ingesting it).
Echo is right about slowing down a bit, make sure you do your research before jumping into anything. I also think it would be a good idea to talk to a counselor or therapist if you haven't already.
One of the young members here has done a really good job building muscle thru exercise (and presumably diet like protein shakes). You might look into this.
--Jay
I'm gonna be a naysayer. I worked in a pharmacy for years. I did everything from insurance billing to compounding, and I would caution against self medicating at all. We had a patient who went the DHEA routine and it damn near killed him. I can't tell you what to do, obviously, but I went through a period where I was desperate. At least consult a doctor. If you are under age, go to a medical facility that works with youth. I got information, for free and without my parents knowing, at a clinic in my hometown without any payment. Even in conservative towns like my hometown I was able to find people who would listen and who cared. Believe it or not, my high school nurse recommended a place to me and kept my confidence even though she was a crazy conservative republican Christian