Who finds it easier to pass, MTFs or FTMs? Which one tends to pass more often?
FTMs.
Depends upon the person's age, genetics, where they are in transition, and their state of (un)dress.
I would say overall most FtMs can get to the point where they pass more quickly and easily than most MtFs in most situations. Then again, a 40-year-old, pre-T FtM will probably have a have a harder time passing than a 16-year-old MtF, especially if she's on hormone blockers.
However, with enough time and money MtFs can get to the point where even a lover might not know. FtMs will likely never have that option (without making up stories about medical mishaps or birth defects).
I would stereotypically and generally say FtMs but like the above said...It all depends.
I hope this doesn't degrade into one of those "I'm more trans then you" threads :P
You know that tends to happen when us girls get involved >:-)
I don't know that there is any way to know this, but I would guess FTMs just because women are always checking each other out and guys rarely look at each other.
- Kate >:-)
It would depend on the age, general build, and feminine/masculine look to the face/body.
But I think generally FtM passes better.
Sorry, I was having a "Blonde Moment"
Of coarse FTMs pass much better
I was just waiting to see a ridiculously exaggerated 4x4 that would prove it :laugh:
An impossible question to answer in my opinion.
I don't know about anyone else's experience, only mine.
Also I rather dislike the concept of passing anyway. Surely all that matters is whether other people are polite and friendly?
My take on it is:
FtMs on the outside more often then not pass better then MtFs
But MtFs internally pass better (Female organs, etc.) Since FtM surgery is still at odds...So both sides have their strong points and weak.
I wonder these days if I pass, even to myself.
Quote from: x-icecubes-x on January 27, 2010, 07:23:48 PM
Who finds it easier to pass, MTFs or FTMs? Which one tends to pass more often?
That's a no brainer In most cases...Female to Males of course!
Quote from: Kvall on January 29, 2010, 02:11:18 PM
Clothes on - FTM
Clothes off - post-SRS MTF
Fair enough? :)
By the time you have your clothes off the girl should have been told really.
She might be a little disappointed otherwise.
Then again,......
Clothes on - FTM
Clothes off - post-SRS MTF
Fair enough?
Only if they have never been with another woman before. There are very real and tangible differences, people who know, will know.
Quote from: Kvall on January 29, 2010, 02:11:18 PM
Clothes on - FTM
Clothes off - post-SRS MTF
Fair enough? :)
I can't see that at all. Most Male to Females have the wrong bodyshape and is more apparent with less clothing regardless of genitalia!
female to male. female to males get alot of masculine features from hormones alone, but male to female have to do more surgical procedures.
Quote from: NicoleFoxFan on January 29, 2010, 05:13:30 PM
female to male. female to males get alot of masculine features from hormones alone, but male to female have to do more surgical procedures.
My point exactely!
Transmen ..................... Ellen
Quote from: SilverFang on January 27, 2010, 07:37:08 PM
FTMs.
I agree FTM's do tend to pass more than MTF's, as they don't need speech therapy which is an advantage for them
My opinion is, Female to Male hands down.
Kindest regards
Sarah B
I think post op MtF passes more. What do I know, I'm alone here.
I'll have to agree with Jamie. F2M in most situations, but YMMV depending on age/genetics/etc.
Quote from: LordKAT on February 13, 2010, 01:19:18 AM
I think post op MtF passes more. What do I know, I'm alone here.
I agree here. :)
It's hard to make generalizations, it really depends on the person; genetic make up of their body, and their situation in life.
Z
I think a lot of the difference is from societies expectations for women compared to men. I think its more the fact that masculine women are generally more accepted than feminine men. A person who is is percieved as a "man in a dress" is sadly more likely to hear negative comments than someone who is viewed as a woman in a suit and tie is ok.
A of times I will think I'm passing somewhere, and then wonder if i'm really being seen as a female, and no one cares that I'm wearing mens clothes.
So I guess to add new question here, do FtMs really pass better? or do we just hear fewer negative comments that make it seem like we pass better?
I don't know, I seem to pass pretty well. The issue that decides this seems to be that it is much easier to induce the effects of male puberty than to erase them. (With the exception of height and body shape. But people seem to ignore body shape if the face is masculine enough and there are lots of short guys.)
Tall women are less common. People also pay more attention to women's faces and are more critical of them. And at least post-HRT, FTMs have unquestionable voices while many MTFs might not.
Quote from: SilverFang on February 13, 2010, 03:07:37 PM
Tall women are less common. People also pay more attention to women's faces and are more critical of them. And at least post-HRT, FTMs have unquestionable voices while many MTFs might not.
I'm 175cm / about 5' 9" and never ever had a problem with my voice. I guess I didn't have a deep voice to start with, but have learnt over the years how to modulate and breath correctly.
Quote from: Dianna on February 14, 2010, 12:12:27 AM
I'm 175cm / about 5' 9" and never ever had a problem with my voice. I guess I didn't have a deep voice to start with, but have learnt over the years how to modulate and breath correctly.
Not saying it's everybody. These just seem to be common problems.
It usually depends on the individual. In general it's probably easier for Female to males but some Male to females do look totally female, although I think this is probably a smaller percent.
Depends on the person..
But i was thinking about this actually tonight and i think overall most FTM's pass more than MTF's.
Prolly boils down too:
M2Fs believes F2Ms pass better.
F2Ms believes M2Fs pass better.
My quick 2cents worth of OP.
Quote from: michellesofl on March 30, 2010, 08:47:04 PM
Prolly boils down too:
M2Fs believes F2Ms pass better.
F2Ms believes M2Fs pass better.
My quick 2cents worth of OP.
Im FTM and I think that FTMs pass more..
to me its hit and miss there are alot of trans men here that i would say pass very well but its subjective to looks only voice could destroy the whole thing and if your clocked as females i thing most guys just look away and dont say anything. i guess a better marker would be the opposite gender for instance Mtf being judged passable by females and vice verse. although most people wont tell you weather you passed or not. Unless you here a comment few will directly confront you.
jessica
Probably FtMs. But then, I am also pretty certain this one other teacher where I work is FtM, so it's not like all of them get by unnoticed.
Personally, i think it depends souly on the individual.
I've seen some FtMs who don't pass at all and some MtFs who you wouldn't believe were even trans.
And it goes vice versa.
I think it's much of a much really.