Poll
LOL, even more choices! :-\ I'll keep thinking some more and decide on my vote when I get home tonight.
zythyra
Ok try to change it now, just made correcting possible. Should be an option to remove vote. Then select another one.
Ok, it worked. Thanks. ^_^
'None of the above'
I am a gender transcendent Androgyne.
Well, let's see if I can explain that!
The English language seems rather inadequate in this area....
A gender transcendent is above gender, outside of gender, surpassing gender, beyond ordinary limits of gender, exceeding gender. Mentally, a transcendent Androgyne is neither male nor female... and yet both.
Here's an analogy:
A gender transcendent Androgyne can be described in the way that mixing yellow and blue creates green... and green is a color that is neither yellow or blue - and yet it is both! In the same way hydrogen and oxygen combine to make water - and water is something quite different from its components!
More accurately perhaps, a gender transcendent Androgyne is the wholeness of gender in an individual. Undivided, never cleaved by a gender knife, a transcendent Androgyne is not two genders in one body - certainly not one gender as most people are! - but an undivided state of being. It is the original spiritual state of oneness that existed before humanity was separated into two genders.
Both, and yet neither.
My own gender, and yet outside of all gender.
I am of the essence that existed before 'gender' was created.
-Emerald :icon_mrgreen:
ps-
I'd like to invite those who participated in this poll to cast your vote in the 'All inclusive gender poll' also. Just click below. Thanks!
New! All inclusive poll - What is your gender ID? (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=11945.0)
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=11945.0 (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=11945.0)
I think that sums me up
Housey Housey!
That's the description, as genderless as a child. (Though not asexual.)
Oh - and No-Id, you do tend to become what you read.
Then I shall bring out a stack of comicbooks and start reading!
No, but all sillyness to the side: there is either a click or there isn't. ;)
maybe you should stay away from the New Testament. We wouldn't want to see you crucified.
Ha! :eusa_clap:
At least I'd have some followers? :P
;D Ouch. Alright. Scratch the New Testament. lol.
Hi,
I just changed from Neutrois to undecided.
For the last week, I haven't wanted to be neutered. I'm not happy about the way I look, but it's not bothering me. I have no idea of what's going on now.
God, I wish I were 20 again knowing what I know now.
To the point, however, is it fair to use a political designation in a poll concerning gender identity?
I'm not trying to argue. I'm only asking. Should identity be politicized?
I am all for the Genderfork movement. Are you a part of it? Are you one of these 'kids'? ;)
Sure, I can't see any reason why not. Personally, although my gender identity is first and foremost something that comes from the core of my heart/soul, I've read quite a lot of feminist, queer and gender studies and consider my identity (or lack thereof) to be greatly informed by this.
LOL how many tines? ;D
zythyra
About a dozen tines. It's a big fork.
My ex-wife thinks I'm a monster...does that count?
Can't get away from the "mine is bigger than yours" guy talk, even here at Susan's. ::)
Becca, put your fork back in the drawer and stop talking about your silverware...LOL What's next, a discussion on how much your gravy boat can hold? :-*
...Laurry
Well, I certainly don't think I'm a vampire, undead anything, or a werewolf. But I do identify with / as a chimera-type classical monster. And also as a chimera as the term is used in science -- it applys to some types of intersex conditions, even. But I am definately human. So I did click 'androgyne monster' but I don't think I am an androgynous monster, I think I'm a human made up of seemingly disparate human parts.
Many people who believe that their 'true self' is an animal or a mythical creature (a vampire, an elf, a dragon) or feel that they are a combonation of human and animal/mythical beast traits call themselves 'Otherkin' and believe that their feelings are similar to those of transsexual people. I'd consider these to be two different conditions, though -- seems to me that Underground Panther here is better described as both Otherkin and transgendered.
Lord have mercy... Androgyne Monster? Androgyne Furry? Androgyne Animal?
What comes next? Androgyne Hobbit, Androgyne Insect, Androgyne Alien, and Androgyne Boogieman?
I think we can safely state that psychological Androgynes are highly evolved humans which do not devolve into subhuman critters. Androgynes don't become fantasy creatures or faddish idols any more than Transsexuals become Marilyn Monroe, Sailor Moon, or Jessica Rabbit.
Psychological androgyny is matter of gender identity. Is this a difficult concept?
There are four major transgender groups recognized on susans.org - Masculine(FtM), Feminine(MtF), Crossdresser(CD) and Androgyne. Each of us has some form of gender identity - Male, Female, Both, or Neither. This forum's name is "Androgyne talk". Androgynes don't have a Male or a Female gender identity. Not having a gender identity does not mean Androgynes take on the identity of animals, monsters, or anything else.
No offense to the werewolves, furries, vampires, glam rockers, goths, and all that jazz out there, but none of these things have anything to do with gender.
-Emerald :icon_mrgreen:
I agree. I was kind of thinking things were getting off track. It seemed like we were trying to determine the numbers of differing types of androgyne. The other stuff was confusing me. The animal stuff should count as something besides a gender and maybe be in its' own poll.
I mean no offense to anyone. It's just that when the poll started, I was hoping to get a good idea of how androgyne-(ism?) works. I mean if we start showing up at motor vehicle departments asking for animal designations, we will never get treated seriously. If I'm wrong, just ignore me. Thank you.
I read that, it's a good collection of essays.
It'd be nice if there was an option to check "other" on official forms.
zythrya
Whoa, wait a sec... Something odd is going on.
"Circumgender" is not a word.
"Exogender"
"Extragender"
"Interdresser"
"Autogender"
"Syngender"
None of these are real words. Try googling them for yourself.
These 'words' weren't here when this poll was first posted.
Who's making up these terms??? Androgyne Poltergeists?!?!?
-Emerald
I do agree that we've wandered off track a little (yes, I'm guilty too), so back to the topic.
While I chose Ambigendered/Intergendered, I also tend to be a little fluid. I have my times where I am a lot more feminine than usual, though not a lot where I feel more masculine. Most of the time I float between 50F50M and 75F25M. I'm curious how those who identified as Fluid feel...I may be in the wrong category.
.......Laurry
I'm one of the two who voted "fluid" so far. How I feel has more range than what you say. For me, it probably goes all the way from "essentially male, with slight awareness of femaleness" to "essentially female, with slight awareness of maleness", though I wouldn't try to put numbers on it.
My favorite place to be, though, is "strongly male as well as strongly female." One of my favorite quotes, though I don't quite embody it or perhaps even identify with it, is something Brian Molko (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Molko) allegedly said to Fred Durst: "I'm more man than you'll ever be and more woman than you'll ever have." Closer to home, though, my group of friends from high school now considers me both the manliest and the girliest of them. ;D Back in high school (just a few years ago), I probably would have been considered the least girly and been quite proud of it. How things change -- but I don't think I've become any less masculine. Just more feminine. (And I'm proof that there is a difference.)
I am somewhat fluid though it changes very very slow. I identify more with ambigender. Like this year is a more masculine year than the last 2 years. My identity though feel more of a mixture of both masculine and feminine at deep inside, even though it changes.
Think I want to read that essay.
KK
Added Highly Evolved Human: Androgyne to the poll.
Interdressing: Check google again, now I know you didnt check.
Others are just standard Prefixes, added to gender. They are not new words, just shorthand for several words.
syn- Indicates that "together", "united", or "alike"
exo- outside, external
extra - outside, beyond
auto- self
circum- around
Same way inter, bi, trans, poly, multi, a, cis, uni, anti, pro, mis, dis, tri, ex, un, and several others http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefix_%28linguistics%29 means several words, but shortens.
Eh. I think that Ken/Kendra's coined term 'androgyne monster' is a poor one, as it implies a desire for non-human status. However, I have explained just what I meant, and remarked that I think being an androgyne and feeling that you are a cat (or whatever) at heart are two separate things.
As for monsters, lets try one more time. The Chimera is a classical monster, the most classical of classical monsters, such that its name is also used to indicate any classical monster.
My gender, I think, is definition two, with a kindly removal of 'grotesque' which really ought not to be there, as unicorns and gryphons and the like are also classical monsters, and chimeras. My gender is also definition four, in the sense that I think it is written in my DNA to be that way.
I DO NOT think that I am, nor do I want to become, a fire-breathing beast with the head of a lion, the body of a goat, and a tail made out of a snake. Nor does the author of the essay I mentioned.
I am an air-breathing higher primate with the legs and smell of a man, the genitals and size of a woman, the communication-style of a man, the tenderness of a woman, the hobbies and interests of an androgyne, etc. etc. These things are not fluid nor are they merged. They are not at war with each other or separate, either. I am not bigender, my gender doesn't change so I am not fluid, my gendered aspects are not smoothly blended so I am not exactly intergendered either. I am mostly masculine in the way the Chimera is mostly a goat, but the Chimera is not a goat with grafted on parts and I am not really a man with stuck on female parts.
The most psychologically androgynous people I have ever met are considered to be developmentally disabled. They are asexual and find the very concept of gender incomprehensible and irrelevant. They are certainly not subhuman in the least, but with the notable exception of Temple Grandin, they're not more 'highly evolved' than other people.
And indeed, Ken/Kendra is quite correct -- when you add a recognized prefix or suffix to a known word, the word you have thus created is a 'real' word.
I moved back to null gender from undecided. I've spent some time just being me and I'm not seeing any real signs of either gender.
Woo hoo! *Begins to root through corpse for jewelry*
It really is. I hope more new folks find it and post.
Yeah, it's kind of hard to fill out All Of The Labels on a spectrum, but what's listed here at least hits most of the common ones.
I find I still end up swaying to male sometimes, but realize that's probably just from intense bouts of dysphoria rather than actual man-like attributes. I end up swinging so far away from anything Girl that Man seems much more applicable than it really is. Such is just another conundrum of gender.
Oh, so this was me five years ago.
Nowadays I ticked the ambigender/mix option rather than the neutrois/non option but I think this is more because I have met more neutrois people since the poll was posted. At the time I rather felt that being mixed and being none were pretty much the same idea from different angles, now I realise that neutrois people often have a driving wish to remove all notions and symbols of gender in themselves, whereas I just mix and match as amuses me.
I'd change that first line to; "I would say I am male through body, genderless through social role and comfortable in my priorities and typical brain patterns."
I just added pregender to ambigender, mixed gender...
After reading your response, Pregender seems more along those lines of allowing mixing in that no boundaries have been set.
I recall you posting info on Pregender, posted after this poll. And you even made a video comparing it to bigender.
Unless it falls under no-label, though I recall you mentioning the importance of labels for understanding.
Could you point me to that post about Pregender? It sounds like an interesting read, and I haven't heard the term before.
I went in about the opposite direction. Had I found this when I first joined, I may well have ticked ambigender, but all that settled down into neutrois or agender when I started reading about others' thoughts and experiences and sorted through my own.
These are the posts I saw Pica Pica mention Pregender
Starting with Pica's video then other mentioning
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,35798.0.html
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,81661.msg572528.html#msg572528
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,92010.msg674936.html#msg674936
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,121205.msg946274.html#msg946274
Kendall
Thank you, I've bookmarked them! :)
It means different things apparently.
According to Susan's Wiki: (https://www.susans.org/wiki/Non-binary) it is a synonym for bi-gender.
This, is obviously in contrast to this poll, where it is a separate option.
I've seen some posts that refers to it as a sub-type of bi-gender. This is generally in contrast to those with multiple personality disorder, which sometimes also identify as bi-gender.
I think the issue that complicates this is there are some that identify as multi-gender, and are fluid between those, and also those that identify as sometimes male, sometimes female, and sometimes somewhere in between, or as a third gender. So this can't really be done as a tree, but maybe more a Venn Diagram...
I'm pretty sure after thinking about it, that gender fluid best describes me, but the thing about being fluid, is that I may also just think I'm a cis-male at times.
Question: What type of androgyne are you? http://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,5863.0.html
Option 1: Agender (neither) , neutrois, nullgender
Option 2: Bigender (both separate), multigender, polygender, apogender
Option 3: Ambigender (both merged), intergender, mixed gender, syngender, gender____, pregender
Option 4: Fluid (can change), cyclical-gender, circumgender, fluxgender
Option 5: Third Gender (outside) all gender, exo-gender, extra-gender
Option 6: I am my own Gender (auto-gender).
Option 7: I dont want to be boxed in by labels. (anti-onymgender)
Option 8: No choice at this time, Undecided (
?-gender)
?-gender)
Option 9: None of the above (I will make a post explaining why)
Title: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Kendall on November 09, 2006, 11:46:04 PM
Post by: Kendall on November 09, 2006, 11:46:04 PM
This will not be graded. There is no correct answer, except what is right for you. This isnt a popularity contest. You can change your vote at anytime, if you feel another definition fits better (or if I end up altering the poll to a better answer). No one can see your vote, unless you talk about it bellow in a reply. So accuracy is something more important even if you pick one option that no one else had picked. Or mention a PM to me if you would like me to consider adding a different option.
This is just for information purposes.
Feel free to post dialogue, or any suggestions about the options or question.
Ken/Kendra
*****BTW this Dings me to 5 stars finally for number of posts (500). Hehe, finally. Its about time..... I am slow.
Current poll stats:
"As of 11-4-13
This is just for information purposes.
Feel free to post dialogue, or any suggestions about the options or question.
Ken/Kendra
*****BTW this Dings me to 5 stars finally for number of posts (500). Hehe, finally. Its about time..... I am slow.
Current poll stats:
Quote
Ambigender (both merged), Interdresser, Intergendered, Mixed Gender, Syngender 12 (26.7%)
Bigender (both separate) 9 (20%)
No choice at this time, Undecided 6 (13.3%)
Agender (neither) , Neutrois, Nullgender 5 (11.1%)
I am my own Gender (Autogender). 4 (8.9%)
I dont want to be boxed in by labels. 3 (6.7%)
Fluid (Circumgender, can change) 2 (4.4%)
Third Gender (Exogender, Extragender, outside all gender) 2 (4.4%)
None of the above (I will make a post explaining why) 2 (4.4%)
"As of 11-4-13
QuoteAmbigender (both merged), Intergender, Mixed Gender, Gender____ 28 (32.9%)
Agender (neither) , Neutrois, Nullgender 13 (15.3%)
Bigender (both separate, multigender) 11 (12.9%)
I dont want to be boxed in by labels. (anti-gender) 9 (10.6%)
No choice at this time, Undecided (????-gender) 7 (8.2%)
Fluid (can change, cyclical-gender, circumgender) 6 (7.1%)
I am my own Gender (auto-gender). 5 (5.9%)
Third Gender (outside all gender, exo-gender, extra-gender,) 3 (3.5%)
None of the above (I will make a post explaining why) 3 (3.5%)
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Mia and Marq on November 10, 2006, 06:18:13 PM
Post by: Mia and Marq on November 10, 2006, 06:18:13 PM
Do I get to vote twice for being bi-gendered, once for Marq and once for Mia? I'm kidding. A little bi-gendered humor for you.
Well as of my vote its neck and neck with 1 and 1. Didn't expect to be the second person to vote since this poll was added.
-Us
Well as of my vote its neck and neck with 1 and 1. Didn't expect to be the second person to vote since this poll was added.
-Us
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Simone on November 10, 2006, 06:58:57 PM
Post by: Simone on November 10, 2006, 06:58:57 PM
Hiya.x.
I have voted and i wanted to take this moment to make a message to Marq/Mia.x.
Thankyou for your post on the thread i started. I totally agree with you and feel that my life is as yours...with both a male and female side. I have named her...Simone.x. and since that point i have, as you suggested would happen...been able to connect with her. She does have much to say and do in Pauls world and i have so much to tell you but feel awkward doing this here...for some reason. I feel almost feel shy!
Thanks...x...
I would have sent a message direct to you but i am not able to...
I have voted and i wanted to take this moment to make a message to Marq/Mia.x.
Thankyou for your post on the thread i started. I totally agree with you and feel that my life is as yours...with both a male and female side. I have named her...Simone.x. and since that point i have, as you suggested would happen...been able to connect with her. She does have much to say and do in Pauls world and i have so much to tell you but feel awkward doing this here...for some reason. I feel almost feel shy!
Thanks...x...
I would have sent a message direct to you but i am not able to...
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Jillieann Rose on November 11, 2006, 12:12:53 AM
Post by: Jillieann Rose on November 11, 2006, 12:12:53 AM
I put down Bigender (both ends) cause I really seem to have two people living in this one body.
We are just starting to get alone.
:) :)
Jillieann/JR
Posted on: November 11, 2006, 01:09:09 AM
Oh I want to add one thing.
My wife can tell when Jillieann or JR are in control now.
We do talk and act differently and I'll tell you we don't think alike most of the time either.
:) (JR wants to smile too.) :)
Jillieann/JR
We are just starting to get alone.
:) :)
Jillieann/JR
Posted on: November 11, 2006, 01:09:09 AM
Oh I want to add one thing.
My wife can tell when Jillieann or JR are in control now.
We do talk and act differently and I'll tell you we don't think alike most of the time either.
:) (JR wants to smile too.) :)
Jillieann/JR
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Laurry on November 11, 2006, 12:53:21 AM
Post by: Laurry on November 11, 2006, 12:53:21 AM
I chose, no surprise to those who have read some of my posts, intergendered. I almost wanted to choose Fluid, but wasn't sure I really knew what that meant. How fast is rapidly? I have a definate male outlook somedays and others I am very female. It's not like it flip/flops back and forth, but it does tend to shift back and forth over a few days.
Congratulations Ken/Kendra...500 posts...Don't let that extra star go to your head, LOL
Freudian slip there you dirty-old-man/hussy??
.......Laurie
Congratulations Ken/Kendra...500 posts...Don't let that extra star go to your head, LOL
Quote from: Jillieann/JR on November 11, 2006, 12:12:53 AM
I put down Bigender (both ends) cause I really seem to have two people living in this one body.
We are just starting to get alone.
Freudian slip there you dirty-old-man/hussy??
.......Laurie
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: TheBattler on November 11, 2006, 04:57:46 AM
Post by: TheBattler on November 11, 2006, 04:57:46 AM
I selected Intergender.
It seams these days I am more as one then two separate people. Whiel I do not mind going out trying to pass (Alice) I find I am more comfortable just going out as me in a skirt. Maybe down the track I will be more confotable when I go out to pass but for the moment I am just happy to wear my skirts when I like given a few limitations.
Alice
It seams these days I am more as one then two separate people. Whiel I do not mind going out trying to pass (Alice) I find I am more comfortable just going out as me in a skirt. Maybe down the track I will be more confotable when I go out to pass but for the moment I am just happy to wear my skirts when I like given a few limitations.
Alice
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Shana A on November 11, 2006, 07:55:27 AM
Post by: Shana A on November 11, 2006, 07:55:27 AM
Haven't decided which to choose yet, I keep going between fluid, inter, neither, third, all or I am my own... I guess I'm not the most decisive person around LOL ;D
z
z
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Kendall on November 11, 2006, 09:04:16 AM
Post by: Kendall on November 11, 2006, 09:04:16 AM
hehe ok how about I add no choice at this time? done!
Also added a none of the above and a "I dont want to be boxed in with labels"
Also added a none of the above and a "I dont want to be boxed in with labels"
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Shana A on November 11, 2006, 12:57:26 PM
Post by: Shana A on November 11, 2006, 12:57:26 PM
Quotehehe ok how about I add no choice at this time? done!
Also added a none of the above and a "I dont want to be boxed in with labels"
LOL, even more choices! :-\ I'll keep thinking some more and decide on my vote when I get home tonight.
zythyra
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Vanessa V. on November 11, 2006, 04:41:49 PM
Post by: Vanessa V. on November 11, 2006, 04:41:49 PM
Hehe...
Well you all know where I'm at....
Bigender here...
I would imagine bi and inter would wind up pretty 50/50....
Or at least it would be interesting if they didn't!
-Nessa
Well you all know where I'm at....
Bigender here...
I would imagine bi and inter would wind up pretty 50/50....
Or at least it would be interesting if they didn't!
-Nessa
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Kendall on November 11, 2006, 06:06:53 PM
Post by: Kendall on November 11, 2006, 06:06:53 PM
I know we have or had some fluid and nuetrois also. and at least one third gender.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Casey on November 11, 2006, 08:18:31 PM
Post by: Casey on November 11, 2006, 08:18:31 PM
I went with intergendered since that's the best description of me. I'm fairly fluid (or at least I believe I am, funny how our perception can be waaay off sometimes) but it's not a quick-change kind of thing. If you've ever seen "In And Out" with Kevin Kline, remember that scene towards the end of the movie where he looks down and suddenly realizes the motion he's been making with his hand? I get like that some times. I'll just be going along minding my own business and it's like where the heck did THAT come from?
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Shana A on November 11, 2006, 11:11:29 PM
Post by: Shana A on November 11, 2006, 11:11:29 PM
I chose I am my own Gender, but fluid, 3rd, or none of the above would also work
z
z
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Kisa on November 17, 2006, 09:32:10 AM
Post by: Kisa on November 17, 2006, 09:32:10 AM
I am my own Gender.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: AndyTheDandy on April 07, 2007, 10:31:23 AM
Post by: AndyTheDandy on April 07, 2007, 10:31:23 AM
Oh, gee, this is going to sound stupid, but I actually clicked the wrong vote!
I am neutrois not bi-gendered.
Sorry. :embarrassed:
I am neutrois not bi-gendered.
Sorry. :embarrassed:
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Attis on April 07, 2007, 10:32:47 AM
Post by: Attis on April 07, 2007, 10:32:47 AM
I would say I'm my own gender, essentially a blend of what I value in both masculine and feminine attributes, visual and behavioral. :3
-- Brede
-- Brede
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Louise on April 07, 2007, 10:43:53 AM
Post by: Louise on April 07, 2007, 10:43:53 AM
Although I picked bigendered I had a hard time deciding between that an intergendered. Psychologically I would say that I am intergendered. I do not feel like two people, one masculine and one feminine. I have my feminine side even when I am presenting as male and my masculine side when I am presenting as female. But I picked bigendered because I tend to present as either male or female.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Kendall on April 07, 2007, 08:30:19 PM
Post by: Kendall on April 07, 2007, 08:30:19 PM
Quote from: AndyTheDandy on April 07, 2007, 10:31:23 AM
Oh, gee, this is going to sound stupid, but I actually clicked the wrong vote!
I am neutrois not bi-gendered.
Sorry. :embarrassed:
Ok try to change it now, just made correcting possible. Should be an option to remove vote. Then select another one.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: AndyTheDandy on April 07, 2007, 10:31:53 PM
Post by: AndyTheDandy on April 07, 2007, 10:31:53 PM
Quote from: Ken/Kendra on April 07, 2007, 08:30:19 PM
Ok try to change it now, just made correcting possible. Should be an option to remove vote. Then select another one.
Ok, it worked. Thanks. ^_^
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Attis on April 07, 2007, 10:42:25 PM
Post by: Attis on April 07, 2007, 10:42:25 PM
neutrois FTW ^_^
-- Brede the weirdo andro/femme/etc. o_O
-- Brede the weirdo andro/femme/etc. o_O
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Emerald on April 08, 2007, 02:40:42 AM
Post by: Emerald on April 08, 2007, 02:40:42 AM
'None of the above'
I am a gender transcendent Androgyne.
Well, let's see if I can explain that!
The English language seems rather inadequate in this area....
A gender transcendent is above gender, outside of gender, surpassing gender, beyond ordinary limits of gender, exceeding gender. Mentally, a transcendent Androgyne is neither male nor female... and yet both.
Here's an analogy:
A gender transcendent Androgyne can be described in the way that mixing yellow and blue creates green... and green is a color that is neither yellow or blue - and yet it is both! In the same way hydrogen and oxygen combine to make water - and water is something quite different from its components!
More accurately perhaps, a gender transcendent Androgyne is the wholeness of gender in an individual. Undivided, never cleaved by a gender knife, a transcendent Androgyne is not two genders in one body - certainly not one gender as most people are! - but an undivided state of being. It is the original spiritual state of oneness that existed before humanity was separated into two genders.
Both, and yet neither.
My own gender, and yet outside of all gender.
I am of the essence that existed before 'gender' was created.
-Emerald :icon_mrgreen:
ps-
I'd like to invite those who participated in this poll to cast your vote in the 'All inclusive gender poll' also. Just click below. Thanks!
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Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Casey on April 09, 2007, 07:56:46 PM
Post by: Casey on April 09, 2007, 07:56:46 PM
Oh my word. Is that why I've been having so much trouble trying to "quantify" my gender? Intergendered works but that still misses the mark somehow. Like "a blend of genders" still doesn't capture it. I have a gender, but it's just sort of like (I know, I know) a Big Ball Of Gender thing, like some aliens are a Big Ball Of Light. I don't have sides, and even calling it parts feels wrong sometimes. Like in my old avatar, I'm just a swirling mass of gender.
Wow, have I been confusing "essence" with "gender"? I've been saying I have a gender because there's something inside me. But that's an essence, isn't it? My essence just is, it isn't this or that. I may not have said it here, or anywhere else for that matter, but I've felt for a while like I *am* the gender continuum, that I exist all over it. But at the same time I'm not really there, either. I just am. Yeah, I know, I'm not making sense here. But it's making perfect sense in my head.
Oh. My. God. All that potential, all that not worrying about finding a balance point and just honestly experiencing things as I experience them. All that "it's all good". I won't find my answer "inside" gender, will I? I'm gender transcendant. :icon_dance: :icon_cool:
Wow, have I been confusing "essence" with "gender"? I've been saying I have a gender because there's something inside me. But that's an essence, isn't it? My essence just is, it isn't this or that. I may not have said it here, or anywhere else for that matter, but I've felt for a while like I *am* the gender continuum, that I exist all over it. But at the same time I'm not really there, either. I just am. Yeah, I know, I'm not making sense here. But it's making perfect sense in my head.
Oh. My. God. All that potential, all that not worrying about finding a balance point and just honestly experiencing things as I experience them. All that "it's all good". I won't find my answer "inside" gender, will I? I'm gender transcendant. :icon_dance: :icon_cool:
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Jet on April 17, 2007, 12:46:24 AM
Post by: Jet on April 17, 2007, 12:46:24 AM
Quote from: Emerald on April 08, 2007, 02:40:42 AM
'None of the above'
I am a gender transcendent Androgyne.
Well, let's see if I can explain that!
The English language seems rather inadequate in this area....
A gender transcendent is above gender, outside of gender, surpassing gender, beyond ordinary limits of gender, exceeding gender. Mentally, a transcendent Androgyne is neither male nor female... and yet both.
Here's an analogy:
A gender transcendent Androgyne can be described in the way that mixing yellow and blue creates green... and green is a color that is neither yellow or blue - and yet it is both! In the same way hydrogen and oxygen combine to make water - and water is something quite different from its components!
More accurately perhaps, a gender transcendent Androgyne is the wholeness of gender in an individual. Undivided, never cleaved by a gender knife, a transcendent Androgyne is not two genders in one body - certainly not one gender as most people are! - but an undivided state of being. It is the original spiritual state of oneness that existed before humanity was separated into two genders.
Both, and yet neither.
My own gender, and yet outside of all gender.
I am of the essence that existed before 'gender' was created.
-Emerald :icon_mrgreen:
I think that sums me up
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Nik on April 18, 2007, 05:11:31 PM
Post by: Nik on April 18, 2007, 05:11:31 PM
I am Bi-gendered, definitely. Two separate gender personalities, and they do not get along. ::)
Never boring in my head.
Never boring in my head.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Lucy on April 19, 2007, 03:38:02 AM
Post by: Lucy on April 19, 2007, 03:38:02 AM
I have chosen not decided at this time. This is for many reasons. I feel like may be I am Androgyne because I look like a male but feel there is a very strong female presents. On there other hand I dont realy feel that there is a Male side to me when quite evedently there is because i have lived that way for 30 years.
Do you understand me? If so please can you explain it to me. LOL ::)
Do you understand me? If so please can you explain it to me. LOL ::)
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: ChildOfTheLight on April 19, 2007, 08:38:34 AM
Post by: ChildOfTheLight on April 19, 2007, 08:38:34 AM
So far I'm the only person to vote "fluid."
It may be a case of different names for the same thing, because others have said something like what I feel. Sometimes I feel primarily (sometimes even completely) male inside, and sometimes I feel primarily (sometimes even completely) female inside, and sometimes I feel like both at once (which is my preferred state.) But I'm always me. Who I am when I'm feeling primarily feminine isn't fundamentally different from who I am when I'm feeling primarily masculine.
It may be a case of different names for the same thing, because others have said something like what I feel. Sometimes I feel primarily (sometimes even completely) male inside, and sometimes I feel primarily (sometimes even completely) female inside, and sometimes I feel like both at once (which is my preferred state.) But I'm always me. Who I am when I'm feeling primarily feminine isn't fundamentally different from who I am when I'm feeling primarily masculine.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Intertween on May 28, 2007, 02:57:33 PM
Post by: Intertween on May 28, 2007, 02:57:33 PM
Oh Emerald:
gender transcendent Androgyne
That is beautiful.
I am intergendered, both blended. Like Emeral's blue and yellow blended into green, which I find to be a very appropriate analogy: Often a color that I consider to be green is blue to someone else.
-- Sue
gender transcendent Androgyne
That is beautiful.
I am intergendered, both blended. Like Emeral's blue and yellow blended into green, which I find to be a very appropriate analogy: Often a color that I consider to be green is blue to someone else.
-- Sue
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Pica Pica on May 28, 2007, 05:26:11 PM
Post by: Pica Pica on May 28, 2007, 05:26:11 PM
I would say I am male through body, genderless through social role and female in my priorities and typical brain patterns.
Which would make me a very socially adept female had I been born that way, a fairly poor socially adept male...puts me neutois I decided...though the phrase neutrois is far too vanilla for what I feel.
Which would make me a very socially adept female had I been born that way, a fairly poor socially adept male...puts me neutois I decided...though the phrase neutrois is far too vanilla for what I feel.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Nando on June 18, 2007, 01:24:22 PM
Post by: Nando on June 18, 2007, 01:24:22 PM
I have no idea what my gender identity is now. I think I am a tomgirl. Would that count as Ambigender? Agender? Or Third Gender?
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: RebeccaFog on June 19, 2007, 09:13:27 AM
Post by: RebeccaFog on June 19, 2007, 09:13:27 AM
I went with Neutrois. Null Gender.
Sometimes I do feel like I'd like to delete my physical male gender markers, but overall, I'm pretty happy with who or what I am.
Pica Pica described how I am pretty well. I think my attributes would have made me a successful female if I'd been born with that body.
I feel feminine, but not masculine inside. Feminine, but not like a woman trapped in a male body. I think it feels like being a child when gender means nothing to you and you just are. Is that null gender?
I'll admit I was seduced by Emerald's description, and it is possible that is me, but I have a tendency to become whatever it is Emerald describes so I am trying to not do that in this case. ;D
Emerald has become my Goddess, Saint, Oracle, and Mother. :angel: and Angel. ( no pressure on you to live up to any of those things, Em )
Sometimes I do feel like I'd like to delete my physical male gender markers, but overall, I'm pretty happy with who or what I am.
Pica Pica described how I am pretty well. I think my attributes would have made me a successful female if I'd been born with that body.
I feel feminine, but not masculine inside. Feminine, but not like a woman trapped in a male body. I think it feels like being a child when gender means nothing to you and you just are. Is that null gender?
I'll admit I was seduced by Emerald's description, and it is possible that is me, but I have a tendency to become whatever it is Emerald describes so I am trying to not do that in this case. ;D
Emerald has become my Goddess, Saint, Oracle, and Mother. :angel: and Angel. ( no pressure on you to live up to any of those things, Em )
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: no_id on June 19, 2007, 11:20:34 AM
Post by: no_id on June 19, 2007, 11:20:34 AM
At this point in time, I'm not really able to make up my mind. After all, being a newbie and all that I'm still poking around in the 'grey' area, connecting the dots, and getting my TG-ABC's down :eusa_eh:. However, Neutrois and Fluid seem to have been unconsciously picked as the current read-up material. ;)
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Pica Pica on June 19, 2007, 04:16:02 PM
Post by: Pica Pica on June 19, 2007, 04:16:02 PM
Quote from: RebeccaFog on June 19, 2007, 09:13:27 AM
I feel feminine, but not masculine inside. Feminine, but not like a woman trapped in a male body. I think it feels like being a child when gender means nothing to you and you just are.
Housey Housey!
That's the description, as genderless as a child. (Though not asexual.)
Oh - and No-Id, you do tend to become what you read.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: no_id on June 20, 2007, 08:04:01 AM
Post by: no_id on June 20, 2007, 08:04:01 AM
Quote from: Pica Pica on June 19, 2007, 04:16:02 PM
Oh - and No-Id, you do tend to become what you read.
Then I shall bring out a stack of comicbooks and start reading!
No, but all sillyness to the side: there is either a click or there isn't. ;)
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: RebeccaFog on June 20, 2007, 08:17:47 AM
Post by: RebeccaFog on June 20, 2007, 08:17:47 AM
Quote from: no_id on June 20, 2007, 08:04:01 AMQuote from: Pica Pica on June 19, 2007, 04:16:02 PM
Oh - and No-Id, you do tend to become what you read.
Then I shall bring out a stack of comicbooks and start reading!
No, but all sillyness to the side: there is either a click or there isn't. ;)
maybe you should stay away from the New Testament. We wouldn't want to see you crucified.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: no_id on June 20, 2007, 08:25:31 AM
Post by: no_id on June 20, 2007, 08:25:31 AM
Quote from: RebeccaFog on June 20, 2007, 08:17:47 AMQuote from: no_id on June 20, 2007, 08:04:01 AMQuote from: Pica Pica on June 19, 2007, 04:16:02 PM
Oh - and No-Id, you do tend to become what you read.
Then I shall bring out a stack of comicbooks and start reading!
No, but all sillyness to the side: there is either a click or there isn't. ;)
maybe you should stay away from the New Testament. We wouldn't want to see you crucified.
Ha! :eusa_clap:
At least I'd have some followers? :P
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Pica Pica on June 20, 2007, 09:57:05 AM
Post by: Pica Pica on June 20, 2007, 09:57:05 AM
Yeah, but everyone would be going on forever about how like your dad you are.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: no_id on June 20, 2007, 10:15:17 AM
Post by: no_id on June 20, 2007, 10:15:17 AM
Quote from: Pica Pica on June 20, 2007, 09:57:05 AM
Yeah, but everyone would be going on forever about how like your dad you are.
;D Ouch. Alright. Scratch the New Testament. lol.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: JodieBlonde on June 23, 2007, 08:11:25 AM
Post by: JodieBlonde on June 23, 2007, 08:11:25 AM
OIC.....
The second answer is "Bi-gender"...and I thought it said "Big-Ender"...lol!
<the aforementioned was brought to you by a blonde moment>
The second answer is "Bi-gender"...and I thought it said "Big-Ender"...lol!
<the aforementioned was brought to you by a blonde moment>
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: RebeccaFog on June 23, 2007, 06:08:46 PM
Post by: RebeccaFog on June 23, 2007, 06:08:46 PM
Hi,
I just changed from Neutrois to undecided.
For the last week, I haven't wanted to be neutered. I'm not happy about the way I look, but it's not bothering me. I have no idea of what's going on now.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Thundra on June 23, 2007, 07:47:54 PM
Post by: Thundra on June 23, 2007, 07:47:54 PM
You forgot genderf***. It is a real, vital movement on the west coast, and is more political than practical. Most of the queer kids here practice it. I know that the name does not fit the guidelines for this forum, but there it is.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: RebeccaFog on June 23, 2007, 10:49:24 PM
Post by: RebeccaFog on June 23, 2007, 10:49:24 PM
Quote from: Thundra on June 23, 2007, 07:47:54 PM
You forgot genderf***. It is a real, vital movement on the west coast, and is more political than practical. Most of the queer kids here practice it. I know that the name does not fit the guidelines for this forum, but there it is.
God, I wish I were 20 again knowing what I know now.
To the point, however, is it fair to use a political designation in a poll concerning gender identity?
I'm not trying to argue. I'm only asking. Should identity be politicized?
I am all for the Genderfork movement. Are you a part of it? Are you one of these 'kids'? ;)
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Shana A on June 24, 2007, 01:15:18 PM
Post by: Shana A on June 24, 2007, 01:15:18 PM
QuoteTo the point, however, is it fair to use a political designation in a poll concerning gender identity?
I'm not trying to argue. I'm only asking. Should identity be politicized?
Sure, I can't see any reason why not. Personally, although my gender identity is first and foremost something that comes from the core of my heart/soul, I've read quite a lot of feminist, queer and gender studies and consider my identity (or lack thereof) to be greatly informed by this.
QuoteI am all for the Genderfork movement.
LOL how many tines? ;D
zythyra
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: RebeccaFog on June 24, 2007, 01:32:06 PM
Post by: RebeccaFog on June 24, 2007, 01:32:06 PM
Quote from: zythyra on June 24, 2007, 01:15:18 PMQuoteI am all for the Genderfork movement.
LOL how many tines? ;D
zythyra
About a dozen tines. It's a big fork.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Doc on June 24, 2007, 02:03:00 PM
Post by: Doc on June 24, 2007, 02:03:00 PM
I recently read a collection of essays and such, GenderQueer. One of the contributors said his gender-identity is 'monster.' I'm down with that. Classical monsters (the sphinx, gryphons, harpies, manticores, etc) are chimeras, whole creatures constructed from parts and aspects of several different animals. 'Monster' shares a Latin root with 'demonstrate' and its original meanings included 'warning' and 'prodigy' and 'miracle.' And, of course, many monsters in film and literature are reduced to violence because they are feared, not because they are fearsome or wicked.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Laurry on June 24, 2007, 05:28:50 PM
Post by: Laurry on June 24, 2007, 05:28:50 PM
Quote from: Doc on June 24, 2007, 02:03:00 PM
I recently read a collection of essays and such, GenderQueer. One of the contributors said his gender-identity is 'monster.' I'm down with that.
My ex-wife thinks I'm a monster...does that count?
Quote from: RebeccaFog on June 24, 2007, 01:32:06 PM
About a dozen tines. It's a big fork.
Can't get away from the "mine is bigger than yours" guy talk, even here at Susan's. ::)
Becca, put your fork back in the drawer and stop talking about your silverware...LOL What's next, a discussion on how much your gravy boat can hold? :-*
...Laurry
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Kendall on June 24, 2007, 07:48:03 PM
Post by: Kendall on June 24, 2007, 07:48:03 PM
Added Androgyne Monster, Androgyne Animal, and Androgyne Furry to the poll. I have seen enough in a spectrum that involves monster (vampires, undead, werewolves, furries, and different animals) to add it to the list and see if anyone identifies as such. Of course it may be more trans species, so the androgyne part would mean that the gender lies still in between, neither, or beyond.
If you identify as any of these new categories you can remove your old vote and revote.
If you identify as any of these new categories you can remove your old vote and revote.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Pica Pica on June 25, 2007, 07:01:45 AM
Post by: Pica Pica on June 25, 2007, 07:01:45 AM
i can promise you that i am no werewolf
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: no_id on June 25, 2007, 07:27:04 AM
Post by: no_id on June 25, 2007, 07:27:04 AM
Let's see... Ages slowly... Allergic to the sun and unable to stand heat... Pale skin... Enjoys the taste of blood... Na, I'm simply human.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Doc on June 25, 2007, 03:31:56 PM
Post by: Doc on June 25, 2007, 03:31:56 PM
Quote from: Ken/Kendra on June 24, 2007, 07:48:03 PM
Added Androgyne Monster, Androgyne Animal, and Androgyne Furry to the poll. I have seen enough in a spectrum that involves monster (vampires, undead, werewolves, furries, and different animals)
Well, I certainly don't think I'm a vampire, undead anything, or a werewolf. But I do identify with / as a chimera-type classical monster. And also as a chimera as the term is used in science -- it applys to some types of intersex conditions, even. But I am definately human. So I did click 'androgyne monster' but I don't think I am an androgynous monster, I think I'm a human made up of seemingly disparate human parts.
QuoteOf course it may be more trans species, so the androgyne part would mean that the gender lies still in between, neither, or beyond.
Many people who believe that their 'true self' is an animal or a mythical creature (a vampire, an elf, a dragon) or feel that they are a combonation of human and animal/mythical beast traits call themselves 'Otherkin' and believe that their feelings are similar to those of transsexual people. I'd consider these to be two different conditions, though -- seems to me that Underground Panther here is better described as both Otherkin and transgendered.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Emerald on June 25, 2007, 06:15:56 PM
Post by: Emerald on June 25, 2007, 06:15:56 PM
Lord have mercy... Androgyne Monster? Androgyne Furry? Androgyne Animal?
What comes next? Androgyne Hobbit, Androgyne Insect, Androgyne Alien, and Androgyne Boogieman?
I think we can safely state that psychological Androgynes are highly evolved humans which do not devolve into subhuman critters. Androgynes don't become fantasy creatures or faddish idols any more than Transsexuals become Marilyn Monroe, Sailor Moon, or Jessica Rabbit.
Psychological androgyny is matter of gender identity. Is this a difficult concept?
There are four major transgender groups recognized on susans.org - Masculine(FtM), Feminine(MtF), Crossdresser(CD) and Androgyne. Each of us has some form of gender identity - Male, Female, Both, or Neither. This forum's name is "Androgyne talk". Androgynes don't have a Male or a Female gender identity. Not having a gender identity does not mean Androgynes take on the identity of animals, monsters, or anything else.
No offense to the werewolves, furries, vampires, glam rockers, goths, and all that jazz out there, but none of these things have anything to do with gender.
-Emerald :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: RebeccaFog on June 25, 2007, 06:58:56 PM
Post by: RebeccaFog on June 25, 2007, 06:58:56 PM
Quote from: Emerald on June 25, 2007, 06:15:56 PM
Lord have mercy... Androgyne Monster? Androgyne Furry? Androgyne Animal?
What comes next? Androgyne Hobbit, Androgyne Insect, Androgyne Alien, and Androgyne Boogieman?
I think we can safely state that psychological Androgynes are highly evolved humans which do not devolve into subhuman critters. Androgynes don't become fantasy creatures or faddish idols any more than Transsexuals become Marilyn Monroe, Sailor Moon, or Jessica Rabbit.
Psychological androgyny is matter of gender identity. Is this a difficult concept?
There are four major transgender groups recognized on susans.org - Masculine(FtM), Feminine(MtF), Crossdresser(CD) and Androgyne. Each of us has some form of gender identity - Male, Female, Both, or Neither. This forum's name is "Androgyne talk". Androgynes don't have a Male or a Female gender identity. Not having a gender identity does not mean Androgynes take on the identity of animals, monsters, or anything else.
No offense to the werewolves, furries, vampires, glam rockers, goths, and all that jazz out there, but none of these things have anything to do with gender.
-Emerald :icon_mrgreen:
I agree. I was kind of thinking things were getting off track. It seemed like we were trying to determine the numbers of differing types of androgyne. The other stuff was confusing me. The animal stuff should count as something besides a gender and maybe be in its' own poll.
I mean no offense to anyone. It's just that when the poll started, I was hoping to get a good idea of how androgyne-(ism?) works. I mean if we start showing up at motor vehicle departments asking for animal designations, we will never get treated seriously. If I'm wrong, just ignore me. Thank you.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Shana A on June 25, 2007, 07:52:13 PM
Post by: Shana A on June 25, 2007, 07:52:13 PM
QuoteI recently read a collection of essays and such, GenderQueer. One of the contributors said his gender-identity is 'monster.' I'm down with that.
I read that, it's a good collection of essays.
QuoteI mean if we start showing up at motor vehicle departments asking for animal designations, we will never get treated seriously.
It'd be nice if there was an option to check "other" on official forms.
zythrya
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Emerald on June 25, 2007, 09:17:04 PM
Post by: Emerald on June 25, 2007, 09:17:04 PM
Quote
Agender (neither) , Neutrois, Nullgender
Bigender (both separate)
Ambigender (both merged), Interdresser, Intergendered, Mixed Gender, Syngender
Fluid (Circumgender, can change)
Third Gender (Exogender, Extragender, outside all gender)
I am my own Gender (Autogender).
I dont want to be boxed in by labels.
No choice at this time, Undecided
None of the above (I will make a post explaining why)
Androgyne Monster
Androgyne Furry
Androgyne Animal
Whoa, wait a sec... Something odd is going on.
"Circumgender" is not a word.
"Exogender"
"Extragender"
"Interdresser"
"Autogender"
"Syngender"
None of these are real words. Try googling them for yourself.
These 'words' weren't here when this poll was first posted.
Who's making up these terms??? Androgyne Poltergeists?!?!?
-Emerald
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Laurry on June 25, 2007, 09:20:32 PM
Post by: Laurry on June 25, 2007, 09:20:32 PM
Quote from: zythyra on June 25, 2007, 07:52:13 PMIt sure would. Funny, we can get official forms in many languages, but they all have a Male OR Female designation, dang it!
It'd be nice if there was an option to check "other" on official forms.
Quote from: Emerald on June 25, 2007, 06:15:56 PMThere goes my reason for moving from Androgyne to Transsexual...and I really really wanted to be Jessica Rabbit. "I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way." On second thought, I don't know if I can handle all that body hair...yech!! I could use some Sailor Moon eyes, tho...hmmm
Androgynes don't become fantasy creatures or faddish idols any more than Transsexuals become Marilyn Monroe, Sailor Moon, or Jessica Rabbit.
I do agree that we've wandered off track a little (yes, I'm guilty too), so back to the topic.
While I chose Ambigendered/Intergendered, I also tend to be a little fluid. I have my times where I am a lot more feminine than usual, though not a lot where I feel more masculine. Most of the time I float between 50F50M and 75F25M. I'm curious how those who identified as Fluid feel...I may be in the wrong category.
.......Laurry
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: ChildOfTheLight on June 26, 2007, 12:54:09 AM
Post by: ChildOfTheLight on June 26, 2007, 12:54:09 AM
Quote from: Laurry on June 25, 2007, 09:20:32 PM
While I chose Ambigendered/Intergendered, I also tend to be a little fluid. I have my times where I am a lot more feminine than usual, though not a lot where I feel more masculine. Most of the time I float between 50F50M and 75F25M. I'm curious how those who identified as Fluid feel...I may be in the wrong category.
.......Laurry
I'm one of the two who voted "fluid" so far. How I feel has more range than what you say. For me, it probably goes all the way from "essentially male, with slight awareness of femaleness" to "essentially female, with slight awareness of maleness", though I wouldn't try to put numbers on it.
My favorite place to be, though, is "strongly male as well as strongly female." One of my favorite quotes, though I don't quite embody it or perhaps even identify with it, is something Brian Molko (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Molko) allegedly said to Fred Durst: "I'm more man than you'll ever be and more woman than you'll ever have." Closer to home, though, my group of friends from high school now considers me both the manliest and the girliest of them. ;D Back in high school (just a few years ago), I probably would have been considered the least girly and been quite proud of it. How things change -- but I don't think I've become any less masculine. Just more feminine. (And I'm proof that there is a difference.)
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Kendall on June 26, 2007, 09:13:46 AM
Post by: Kendall on June 26, 2007, 09:13:46 AM
QuoteWhile I chose Ambigendered/Intergendered, I also tend to be a little fluid. I have my times where I am a lot more feminine than usual, though not a lot where I feel more masculine. Most of the time I float between 50F50M and 75F25M. I'm curious how those who identified as Fluid feel...I may be in the wrong category.
I am somewhat fluid though it changes very very slow. I identify more with ambigender. Like this year is a more masculine year than the last 2 years. My identity though feel more of a mixture of both masculine and feminine at deep inside, even though it changes.
Quote from: zythyra on June 25, 2007, 07:52:13 PMQuote
I recently read a collection of essays and such, GenderQueer. One of the contributors said his gender-identity is 'monster.' I'm down with that.
I read that, it's a good collection of essays.
Think I want to read that essay.
KK
Quote from: Emerald on June 25, 2007, 06:15:56 PM
I think we can safely state that psychological Androgynes are highly evolved humans which do not devolve into subhuman critters. Androgynes don't become fantasy creatures or faddish idols any more than Transsexuals become Marilyn Monroe, Sailor Moon, or Jessica Rabbit.
-Emerald :icon_mrgreen:
Added Highly Evolved Human: Androgyne to the poll.
Interdressing: Check google again, now I know you didnt check.
Others are just standard Prefixes, added to gender. They are not new words, just shorthand for several words.
syn- Indicates that "together", "united", or "alike"
exo- outside, external
extra - outside, beyond
auto- self
circum- around
Same way inter, bi, trans, poly, multi, a, cis, uni, anti, pro, mis, dis, tri, ex, un, and several others http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefix_%28linguistics%29 means several words, but shortens.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Doc on June 26, 2007, 11:58:49 AM
Post by: Doc on June 26, 2007, 11:58:49 AM
Quote from: Emerald on June 25, 2007, 06:15:56 PM
Lord have mercy... Androgyne Monster? Androgyne Furry? Androgyne Animal?
What comes next? Androgyne Hobbit, Androgyne Insect, Androgyne Alien, and Androgyne Boogieman?
...
No offense to the werewolves, furries, vampires, glam rockers, goths, and all that jazz out there, but none of these things have anything to do with gender.
Eh. I think that Ken/Kendra's coined term 'androgyne monster' is a poor one, as it implies a desire for non-human status. However, I have explained just what I meant, and remarked that I think being an androgyne and feeling that you are a cat (or whatever) at heart are two separate things.
As for monsters, lets try one more time. The Chimera is a classical monster, the most classical of classical monsters, such that its name is also used to indicate any classical monster.
Quotechi·me·ra [ki-meer-uh, kahy-]
–noun, plural -ras.
1. (often initial capital letter) a mythological, fire-breathing monster, commonly represented with a lion's head, a goat's body, and a serpent's tail.
2. any similarly grotesque monster having disparate parts, esp. as depicted in decorative art.
3. a horrible or unreal creature of the imagination; a vain or idle fancy: He is far different from the chimera your fears have made of him.
4. Genetics. an organism composed of two or more genetically distinct tissues, as an organism that is partly male and partly female, or an artificially produced individual having tissues of several species.
My gender, I think, is definition two, with a kindly removal of 'grotesque' which really ought not to be there, as unicorns and gryphons and the like are also classical monsters, and chimeras. My gender is also definition four, in the sense that I think it is written in my DNA to be that way.
I DO NOT think that I am, nor do I want to become, a fire-breathing beast with the head of a lion, the body of a goat, and a tail made out of a snake. Nor does the author of the essay I mentioned.
I am an air-breathing higher primate with the legs and smell of a man, the genitals and size of a woman, the communication-style of a man, the tenderness of a woman, the hobbies and interests of an androgyne, etc. etc. These things are not fluid nor are they merged. They are not at war with each other or separate, either. I am not bigender, my gender doesn't change so I am not fluid, my gendered aspects are not smoothly blended so I am not exactly intergendered either. I am mostly masculine in the way the Chimera is mostly a goat, but the Chimera is not a goat with grafted on parts and I am not really a man with stuck on female parts.
Quote from: Emerald on June 25, 2007, 06:15:56 PM
I think we can safely state that psychological Androgynes are highly evolved humans which do not devolve into subhuman critters.
The most psychologically androgynous people I have ever met are considered to be developmentally disabled. They are asexual and find the very concept of gender incomprehensible and irrelevant. They are certainly not subhuman in the least, but with the notable exception of Temple Grandin, they're not more 'highly evolved' than other people.
And indeed, Ken/Kendra is quite correct -- when you add a recognized prefix or suffix to a known word, the word you have thus created is a 'real' word.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Pica Pica on June 26, 2007, 12:06:08 PM
Post by: Pica Pica on June 26, 2007, 12:06:08 PM
I like 'highly evolved' as a tickbox...but I am very sorry that I am not highly evolved. I am evolved enough to be a human. I think my concept of gender is evolved enough to be a young child, and most of my other 'parts' are evolved enough to be a human entering adulthood as slow as possible.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Kendall on June 26, 2007, 12:56:23 PM
Post by: Kendall on June 26, 2007, 12:56:23 PM
After reading about Otherkin http://kinhost.org/res/Otherfaq.php#1_3 I combined the 3 animal, monster, Furry. Its a new word for me, though I know some that are them.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Doc on June 26, 2007, 01:01:32 PM
Post by: Doc on June 26, 2007, 01:01:32 PM
Since I do not identify as Otherkin (which implies a non-human identity) but as fully human but chimerical, I have removed my vote.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Kendall on June 26, 2007, 01:10:26 PM
Post by: Kendall on June 26, 2007, 01:10:26 PM
So what should that option be? I want to get it how you want.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Doc on June 26, 2007, 01:18:57 PM
Post by: Doc on June 26, 2007, 01:18:57 PM
I guess I might say chimera, since this excludes vampires and werewolves and zombies and Frankenstien's monster and doesn't necessarily imply non-human status.
Or I ought to accept 'intergender,' as my label, though it doesn't seem to me any more accurate than FTM -- both seem good enough for government work, but not entirely true. Or I could just go with 'none of the above' and explain, as I doubt I'm going to get 'Chimerically gendered' entered into the common parlance of the trans community.
Or I ought to accept 'intergender,' as my label, though it doesn't seem to me any more accurate than FTM -- both seem good enough for government work, but not entirely true. Or I could just go with 'none of the above' and explain, as I doubt I'm going to get 'Chimerically gendered' entered into the common parlance of the trans community.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Kendall on June 28, 2007, 09:27:33 AM
Post by: Kendall on June 28, 2007, 09:27:33 AM
Removed the last two options since no one voted in the last week since adding them.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: jonjon on July 01, 2007, 04:07:34 AM
Post by: jonjon on July 01, 2007, 04:07:34 AM
I chose Ambigender.
I feel more androgyne on the outside... as an image. But lately i have been experiencing some inner mental androgyne
I feel more androgyne on the outside... as an image. But lately i have been experiencing some inner mental androgyne
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: RebeccaFog on July 01, 2007, 11:45:42 AM
Post by: RebeccaFog on July 01, 2007, 11:45:42 AM
I moved back to null gender from undecided. I've spent some time just being me and I'm not seeing any real signs of either gender.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Night Haven on November 02, 2013, 07:48:53 PM
Post by: Night Haven on November 02, 2013, 07:48:53 PM
I'm glad I found this one, and hope no-one minds my posting here although it's been a long while since the last post. *Shovel, begins grave-digging*
When I came here, I wasn't very certain what I am - I mixed and matched titles, and for a while I had a rather lengthy description of what I am that seemed to change every other day.
After a while here, reading posts and thinking through my own identity, my concept of gender - or rather, it's importance to me - changed tremendously. Now, I have weeded out the words unnecessary to describing myself, and have found that many I tried on (female-male androgyn, bigender, gender fluid) do not fit because I was focusing on many smaller aspects of my being, things that change for everyone, rather than the big picture. Now, as I find that gender is less and less of an applicable concept for me, I'm comfortable using the two more simple terms neutrois or agender which seem to describe me best.
I'm certain this may well change again as I change and learn more, but for now this is the identity which fits best.
When I came here, I wasn't very certain what I am - I mixed and matched titles, and for a while I had a rather lengthy description of what I am that seemed to change every other day.
After a while here, reading posts and thinking through my own identity, my concept of gender - or rather, it's importance to me - changed tremendously. Now, I have weeded out the words unnecessary to describing myself, and have found that many I tried on (female-male androgyn, bigender, gender fluid) do not fit because I was focusing on many smaller aspects of my being, things that change for everyone, rather than the big picture. Now, as I find that gender is less and less of an applicable concept for me, I'm comfortable using the two more simple terms neutrois or agender which seem to describe me best.
I'm certain this may well change again as I change and learn more, but for now this is the identity which fits best.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Jamie D on November 02, 2013, 09:04:57 PM
Post by: Jamie D on November 02, 2013, 09:04:57 PM
Night haven! Congratulations - a 6-year necro!
This is a great topic though. I had to think about the poll for a bit, and chose that I don't like labels. If I was forced ti chose, or at least narrow it down, I would say bigendered genderfluid.
This is a great topic though. I had to think about the poll for a bit, and chose that I don't like labels. If I was forced ti chose, or at least narrow it down, I would say bigendered genderfluid.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Night Haven on November 02, 2013, 11:06:55 PM
Post by: Night Haven on November 02, 2013, 11:06:55 PM
Quote from: Jamie de la Rosa on November 02, 2013, 09:04:57 PM
Night haven! Congratulations - a 6-year necro!
This is a great topic though. I had to think about the poll for a bit, and chose that I don't like labels. If I was forced ti chose, or at least narrow it down, I would say bigendered genderfluid.
Woo hoo! *Begins to root through corpse for jewelry*
It really is. I hope more new folks find it and post.
Quote from: <3 on November 02, 2013, 10:44:59 PM
I put other. Closest match would be bigender, but I feel there is more than 2, so I guess polygender/trigender
Yeah, it's kind of hard to fill out All Of The Labels on a spectrum, but what's listed here at least hits most of the common ones.
I find I still end up swaying to male sometimes, but realize that's probably just from intense bouts of dysphoria rather than actual man-like attributes. I end up swinging so far away from anything Girl that Man seems much more applicable than it really is. Such is just another conundrum of gender.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Night Haven on November 03, 2013, 12:17:35 AM
Post by: Night Haven on November 03, 2013, 12:17:35 AM
Dysphoria and the increasing feeling of needing to transition has changed my view on hormones, but I don't think my gender will end up changing because of them. It turns out to be fairly rigid, but that doesn't sound like it's the case with you. I expect my presentation and expression will change more with HRT than my gender; perhaps you would have a similar experience? In some ways, I find the promise of transition liberating, though I know I might end up giving up some things as well, but it's what I need currently (and that "currently" is why I'm waiting for the moment to start with hormones) and transition is necessary for my personal health. I find it's come down to what I need more than what I just want. As my dysphoria increases, my willingness to go farther on T to get the preferred physical changes increases, regardless of what I'd rather not have but can still deal with.
It really can help to just find what helps you the most, then wait, observe, and reflect to make sure your decision is the best action to take. Some changes are reversible, others aren't; once you can figure out what you're willing to sacrifice for the things that you'll need the most, then the decision can get easier.
It really can help to just find what helps you the most, then wait, observe, and reflect to make sure your decision is the best action to take. Some changes are reversible, others aren't; once you can figure out what you're willing to sacrifice for the things that you'll need the most, then the decision can get easier.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: noeleena on November 03, 2013, 12:38:32 AM
Post by: noeleena on November 03, 2013, 12:38:32 AM
Hi,
66 years plus , an intersexed female. different yet still female and some male to fill in where i missed out .
or in other words a missmatch, at least this way you dont need to try and prove what you are ,
And as our people = Germany have got it right we will not be told what we are at birth if we are different ,
at last they are getting it right, after all this time, and hopefully other countys will follow and save those new born and us all the hassles we should never have had to go through,
wir k'o'nnen nun best'a'tigt und anders sein. = we can be vindicated and be different
...noeleena...
66 years plus , an intersexed female. different yet still female and some male to fill in where i missed out .
or in other words a missmatch, at least this way you dont need to try and prove what you are ,
And as our people = Germany have got it right we will not be told what we are at birth if we are different ,
at last they are getting it right, after all this time, and hopefully other countys will follow and save those new born and us all the hassles we should never have had to go through,
wir k'o'nnen nun best'a'tigt und anders sein. = we can be vindicated and be different
...noeleena...
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Pica Pica on November 04, 2013, 05:32:06 PM
Post by: Pica Pica on November 04, 2013, 05:32:06 PM
Quote from: Pica Pica on May 28, 2007, 05:26:11 PM
I would say I am male through body, genderless through social role and female in my priorities and typical brain patterns.
Which would make me a very socially adept female had I been born that way, a fairly poor socially adept male...puts me neutois I decided...though the phrase neutrois is far too vanilla for what I feel.
Oh, so this was me five years ago.
Nowadays I ticked the ambigender/mix option rather than the neutrois/non option but I think this is more because I have met more neutrois people since the poll was posted. At the time I rather felt that being mixed and being none were pretty much the same idea from different angles, now I realise that neutrois people often have a driving wish to remove all notions and symbols of gender in themselves, whereas I just mix and match as amuses me.
I'd change that first line to; "I would say I am male through body, genderless through social role and comfortable in my priorities and typical brain patterns."
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Kendall on November 04, 2013, 05:47:39 PM
Post by: Kendall on November 04, 2013, 05:47:39 PM
Quote from: Pica Pica on November 04, 2013, 05:32:06 PM
Oh, so this was me five years ago.
Nowadays I ticked the ambigender/mix option rather than the neutrois/non option but I think this is more because I have met more neutrois people since the poll was posted. At the time I rather felt that being mixed and being none were pretty much the same idea from different angles, now I realise that neutrois people often have a driving wish to remove all notions and symbols of gender in themselves, whereas I just mix and match as amuses me.
I'd change that first line to; "I would say I am male through body, genderless through social role and comfortable in my priorities and typical brain patterns."
I just added pregender to ambigender, mixed gender...
After reading your response, Pregender seems more along those lines of allowing mixing in that no boundaries have been set.
I recall you posting info on Pregender, posted after this poll. And you even made a video comparing it to bigender.
Unless it falls under no-label, though I recall you mentioning the importance of labels for understanding.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Pica Pica on November 04, 2013, 05:54:22 PM
Post by: Pica Pica on November 04, 2013, 05:54:22 PM
You have a very good memory.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Kendall on November 04, 2013, 06:07:54 PM
Post by: Kendall on November 04, 2013, 06:07:54 PM
Quote from: <3 on November 02, 2013, 10:44:59 PMI added polygender and multigender to bigender. Bigender seems most common, though trigender (and more) I have seen elsewhere. Polygender seems to have emerged as a popular identity since back then.
I put other. Closest match would be bigender, but I feel there is more than 2, so I guess polygender/trigender
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Kendall on November 04, 2013, 06:17:32 PM
Post by: Kendall on November 04, 2013, 06:17:32 PM
Quote from: Pica Pica on November 04, 2013, 05:54:22 PMDepends on if scooby snacks are involved.
You have a very good memory.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Danielle Emmalee on November 04, 2013, 06:34:10 PM
Post by: Danielle Emmalee on November 04, 2013, 06:34:10 PM
There's no way to change my answer then, is there?
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Night Haven on November 04, 2013, 08:47:48 PM
Post by: Night Haven on November 04, 2013, 08:47:48 PM
Quote from: Kendall on November 04, 2013, 05:47:39 PM
I just added pregender to ambigender, mixed gender...
After reading your response, Pregender seems more along those lines of allowing mixing in that no boundaries have been set.
I recall you posting info on Pregender, posted after this poll. And you even made a video comparing it to bigender.
Unless it falls under no-label, though I recall you mentioning the importance of labels for understanding.
Could you point me to that post about Pregender? It sounds like an interesting read, and I haven't heard the term before.
Quote from: Pica Pica on November 04, 2013, 05:32:06 PM
Nowadays I ticked the ambigender/mix option rather than the neutrois/non option but I think this is more because I have met more neutrois people since the poll was posted. At the time I rather felt that being mixed and being none were pretty much the same idea from different angles, now I realise that neutrois people often have a driving wish to remove all notions and symbols of gender in themselves, whereas I just mix and match as amuses me.
I went in about the opposite direction. Had I found this when I first joined, I may well have ticked ambigender, but all that settled down into neutrois or agender when I started reading about others' thoughts and experiences and sorted through my own.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: insane_protagonist on November 04, 2013, 10:55:16 PM
Post by: insane_protagonist on November 04, 2013, 10:55:16 PM
I really have no idea what mine is yet, but I chose "fluid" because I suspect that like everything else about me it's subject to change over time/mood/situation/what I ate for breakfast/etc.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Kendall on November 05, 2013, 03:23:13 PM
Post by: Kendall on November 05, 2013, 03:23:13 PM
Quote from: Night Haven on November 04, 2013, 08:47:48 PMSure,
Could you point me to that post about Pregender? It sounds like an interesting read, and I haven't heard the term before.
These are the posts I saw Pica Pica mention Pregender
Starting with Pica's video then other mentioning
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,35798.0.html
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,81661.msg572528.html#msg572528
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,92010.msg674936.html#msg674936
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,121205.msg946274.html#msg946274
Kendall
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: VeronicaLynn on November 05, 2013, 06:59:19 PM
Post by: VeronicaLynn on November 05, 2013, 06:59:19 PM
Am I alone that having to choose makes me just as dysphoric as having to choose are you a man or a woman?
In some ways, gender fluid describes me, in other ways bigender describes me better. Non-op, no-hormone MtF transsexual, that chooses to present as an androgynous male could also describe me.
Pretty sure I'm not neutrois, at least.
In some ways, gender fluid describes me, in other ways bigender describes me better. Non-op, no-hormone MtF transsexual, that chooses to present as an androgynous male could also describe me.
Pretty sure I'm not neutrois, at least.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Night Haven on November 05, 2013, 10:02:59 PM
Post by: Night Haven on November 05, 2013, 10:02:59 PM
Quote from: Kendall on November 05, 2013, 03:23:13 PM
Sure,
These are the posts I saw Pica Pica mention Pregender
Starting with Pica's video then other mentioning
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,35798.0.html
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,81661.msg572528.html#msg572528
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,92010.msg674936.html#msg674936
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,121205.msg946274.html#msg946274
Kendall
Thank you, I've bookmarked them! :)
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Taka on November 06, 2013, 04:20:40 AM
Post by: Taka on November 06, 2013, 04:20:40 AM
i think bi-/multigender is what describes me best. i'm rather fluid, but in order to not confuse myself too much, i differentiate between male, female, and other gender in... behavior, or something. they aren't really that separate, but that's not something i feel like explaining to every person who'd get confused if i just go along with whatever i really feel like at any given moment.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Lo on November 06, 2013, 09:28:56 AM
Post by: Lo on November 06, 2013, 09:28:56 AM
I am simply genderless. Was creeping toward neutrois there as well, but going on medication (finally!) has made me feel less alienated by my body, so we'll see. I guess being agender/neutrois would technically make me bigender or genderfluid (or does it count when one of the genders isn't?) but w/e, that's graduate-level stuff so I just like to keep things simple.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Asche on November 06, 2013, 06:48:29 PM
Post by: Asche on November 06, 2013, 06:48:29 PM
How about "gender refusnik"?
My "gender identity," such as it is, is mostly something I assume as a convenience for other people, who generally don't know how to deal with you unless they can slot you as "male" or "female." For myself, I don't particularly identify on the basis of sex/gender, but more on the basis of values (more or less what in the USA used to be called "liberal") and way of looking at the world (techie.)
In some ways, I fit into the usual expectations of my sex (male), in other ways I don't, and I've reached an age where I don't give a **** if people are bothered by the ways I don't.
tl;dr: On the outside I'm male. For the purposes of basic interactions, I make a rudimentary effort to pass. But inside, I have no sex/gender, at least none that I care about. And I resist other people's efforts to assign me one and then make me act in accordance with their idea of my "gender identity."
My "gender identity," such as it is, is mostly something I assume as a convenience for other people, who generally don't know how to deal with you unless they can slot you as "male" or "female." For myself, I don't particularly identify on the basis of sex/gender, but more on the basis of values (more or less what in the USA used to be called "liberal") and way of looking at the world (techie.)
In some ways, I fit into the usual expectations of my sex (male), in other ways I don't, and I've reached an age where I don't give a **** if people are bothered by the ways I don't.
tl;dr: On the outside I'm male. For the purposes of basic interactions, I make a rudimentary effort to pass. But inside, I have no sex/gender, at least none that I care about. And I resist other people's efforts to assign me one and then make me act in accordance with their idea of my "gender identity."
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: eli77 on November 06, 2013, 09:51:18 PM
Post by: eli77 on November 06, 2013, 09:51:18 PM
I don't do gender. I have no internal sense of it, and external imposition of gender makes me uncomfortable and unhappy. That puts me in the agender category. I don't particularly like labeling a non-event, but the word is serviceable, I suppose.
I'm very clear on my sex though. I'm definitely female despite having been incorrectly assigned male at birth. I sort of think of it like... I have the physiological blueprint, but not the psychological one.
I'm very clear on my sex though. I'm definitely female despite having been incorrectly assigned male at birth. I sort of think of it like... I have the physiological blueprint, but not the psychological one.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Asche on November 08, 2013, 03:14:34 PM
Post by: Asche on November 08, 2013, 03:14:34 PM
To add to my previous post: I'm not sure whether sexual orientation is part of this, but FWIW, I'm heterosexual -- i.e., pretty much exclusively attracted to women.
What _would_ the term be for someone of non-binary gender who is attracted mainly to one (binary?) gender?
What _would_ the term be for someone of non-binary gender who is attracted mainly to one (binary?) gender?
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: eli77 on November 08, 2013, 05:07:37 PM
Post by: eli77 on November 08, 2013, 05:07:37 PM
Currently the most useful terms in that situation are gynesexual or gynephilia for attraction to women, and androsexual or androphilia for attraction to men. They indicate attraction to a specific gender without identifying the gender of the person who feels the attraction. I.e. a lesbian woman and a straight man are both gynesexual.
(And for the curious: skoliosexual is the current term for attraction to non-binaries.)
(And for the curious: skoliosexual is the current term for attraction to non-binaries.)
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Red Leicester on November 09, 2013, 03:46:15 PM
Post by: Red Leicester on November 09, 2013, 03:46:15 PM
I am saddened to say that this list confused me.
I will have to read more about these options.
I will have to read more about these options.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Roberta W on November 17, 2013, 02:44:38 PM
Post by: Roberta W on November 17, 2013, 02:44:38 PM
I'll vote for fluid. But I'm not sure I know exactly what that means. How does this apply to our current physical reality?
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: VeronicaLynn on November 18, 2013, 11:19:14 PM
Post by: VeronicaLynn on November 18, 2013, 11:19:14 PM
Quote from: Roberto on November 17, 2013, 02:44:38 PM
I'll vote for fluid. But I'm not sure I know exactly what that means. How does this apply to our current physical reality?
It means different things apparently.
According to Susan's Wiki: (https://www.susans.org/wiki/Non-binary) it is a synonym for bi-gender.
This, is obviously in contrast to this poll, where it is a separate option.
I've seen some posts that refers to it as a sub-type of bi-gender. This is generally in contrast to those with multiple personality disorder, which sometimes also identify as bi-gender.
I think the issue that complicates this is there are some that identify as multi-gender, and are fluid between those, and also those that identify as sometimes male, sometimes female, and sometimes somewhere in between, or as a third gender. So this can't really be done as a tree, but maybe more a Venn Diagram...
I'm pretty sure after thinking about it, that gender fluid best describes me, but the thing about being fluid, is that I may also just think I'm a cis-male at times.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Lo on November 18, 2013, 11:29:12 PM
Post by: Lo on November 18, 2013, 11:29:12 PM
I've seen bigender more often refer to being two genders simultaneously, while genderfluid means you shift between two or more identities, though I've seen bigender get defined as that also.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Lo on November 18, 2013, 11:40:06 PM
Post by: Lo on November 18, 2013, 11:40:06 PM
I've seen a couple folks on tumblr refer to their being bigender as being an all the time thing. I've also seen others of the likes of omnigender refer to it being a constant rather than something that's always in flux. But you're right, most are the shifty kind.
Title: Re: What type of Androgyne are you?
Post by: Gabrielle on November 18, 2013, 11:43:11 PM
Post by: Gabrielle on November 18, 2013, 11:43:11 PM
I have not read through the entire topic, but as I understand it, "bigender" is a unique form of non-binary.
Bigender (bi+gender) is a gender identification which manifests itself as a tendency to move between masculine and feminine gender-typed behavior depending on context, expressing a distinctly male persona and a distinctly female persona. It is recognized by the APA as a subset of the transgendered group. While an androgynous person retains the same gender-typed behavior across situations, the bigendered person consciously or unconsciously changes their gender-role behavior between primarily masculine and primarily feminine, depending on the situation.
It is particularly noteworthy that this concept emerged from within the transgender community rather than being adopted by the transgender community after it was created by another sub-culture (e.g. transsexual was defined first by the mental health community). Because bigender is still a self-applied label, it is not possible to give a definitive outline of the typical bigender. Any description of a bigender is just an example of what someone who identifies as bigender might be like. Although there are patterns, the only firm characteristic is the sense of dual gender.
This is from the site's wiki page
Bigender (bi+gender) is a gender identification which manifests itself as a tendency to move between masculine and feminine gender-typed behavior depending on context, expressing a distinctly male persona and a distinctly female persona. It is recognized by the APA as a subset of the transgendered group. While an androgynous person retains the same gender-typed behavior across situations, the bigendered person consciously or unconsciously changes their gender-role behavior between primarily masculine and primarily feminine, depending on the situation.
It is particularly noteworthy that this concept emerged from within the transgender community rather than being adopted by the transgender community after it was created by another sub-culture (e.g. transsexual was defined first by the mental health community). Because bigender is still a self-applied label, it is not possible to give a definitive outline of the typical bigender. Any description of a bigender is just an example of what someone who identifies as bigender might be like. Although there are patterns, the only firm characteristic is the sense of dual gender.
This is from the site's wiki page