WikiHow article: "How to Determine the Gender Of Your Date".
http://www.wikihow.com/Determine-the-Gender-of-Your-Date (http://www.wikihow.com/Determine-the-Gender-of-Your-Date)
It's just more of the stupid stereotypes about transpeople, and purporting them to be deceptive.
Kinda funny really.
Why anyone would want to go out with a guy who is so weird and self obscessed that he would bother to read and memorise such garbage?
But this tip from lower down is worth remembeing
QuoteIf you're having difficulty determining the gender of your date in the first place, you might want to ask someone else out instead.
QuoteYour feet do not shrink during transgendering. Look for larger, wider feet.
Transgendering. That made me laugh.
You know... its not really THAT offensive. Its more sad... I facepalmed at half of this stuff...
Does the writer realize that he described Uma Thurman and atleast a half dozen other models and actresses (and tens of thousands of women in america alone)
Quote from: LynnER on February 07, 2010, 12:35:24 PM
You know... its not really THAT offensive. Its more sad... I facepalmed at half of this stuff...
Does the writer realize that he described Uma Thurman and atleast a half dozen other models and actresses (and tens of thousands of women in america alone)
I know.... it's pretty horrible. Whoever wrote this is probably very insecure and is never going to get laid due to being too worried about whether his date is transsexual.
And I also laughed at "transgendering". xD
If it's really just a homophobic/transphobic straight guy, wouldn't he just avoid overtly masculine women in the first place? I mean, wouldn't they just be unattractive to him? Any other, more feminine transsexuals likely wouldn't be "caught" with these tips. As Lynn says, there are also plenty of masculine XX women.
Whatever, lots of "how to spot the ->-bleeped-<-" guides on the internet.
Doesn't bother me really. Seen a lot worse.
Gennee
QuoteCompare the length of your date's fourth and second fingers. Most men have ring fingers that are conspicuously longer than their index fingers, whereas most women have ring fingers that are close to the same length. Testosterone levels likely account for the greater length
This actually made me laugh!!! Mine is longer w00t!
QuoteLook for at least three of these characteristics before you draw conclusions about your date's gender, then make your plans accordingly.
Make plans accordingly genius!!!!!!!
Quote* Voice is not always a good indicator of gender -— a low voice may simply be the result of hard living.
* If you're having difficulty determining the gender of your date in the first place, you might want to ask someone else out instead.
Absolute brilliance!!!!!
Jay
I don't really see what the 'watch which washroom they use' tip is getting at; it goes on to say that they'll use the restroom appropriate to the image they're presenting, i.e. 'this tells you absolutely nothing'.
I was actually glad to see the last one (#9); it's about how keeping it secret is about self-preservation instead of deception, and you shouldn't judge without knowing the facts.
'Transgendering' is indeed a funny word. ^_^
Number 9 seems like the only one that matters.
Maybe someone should add a wikihow page for the ladies, titled, "Is your date a ->-bleeped-<- hating bigoted freak?"
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1. Let your hands rest on the table. Is he checking out your finger length ratios? Most ->-bleeped-<--haters are obsessed with minute developmental differences caused by intrauterine hormone levels that may or may not have anything to do with anything else. Also check out his big hairy knucles. Maybe it will freak him out.
2. Is he looking at your feet? Bad sign. He's either a foot fetishist or a ->-bleeped-<- hater. Either way, ditch him.
3. Be suspicious of any overly-large interest in your clothing. This indicates that he's either a ->-bleeped-<- hater, a ->-bleeped-<- ->-bleeped-<-, or just a closted ->-bleeped-<- himself, which is all fine and good, but probably not a good match for you.
4. I assume you've had a tracheal shave if you need it, so the Adam's apple thing won't be an issue. Nevertheless, if he's spending too much time looking at your neck rather than your boobs, he's either a ->-bleeped-<- hater or a gay closet case.
5. Again, he might check out your shoulders and hips, rather than your boobs. This is a sign of either transphobia or latent homosexuality. Bon't be fooled by guys who pretend to be "leg-men." They don't exist. All true men like boobies above all.
6. If he makes a show of letting you go first through a door or up a flight of stairs, or makes any attempt to pretend to check out your butt, this is a clear sign he's not focusing on the one thing that should matter to him, i.e., your boobs. He's either gay or transphobic. Stay away.
7. Going to the bathroom: If he tells you, "The men's room is over there, to the left," leave.
8. Is he checking out your makeup? Suggest some tips for him. Maybe he could use some concealer. Perhaps he needs a better cleanser -- if he's a guy, it's almost certain that he does. He's just beginning to come to terms with his variant gender identity. Perhaps you can help him along the way!
9. Be courteous and have a good time, but stay the hell away from bigoted freaks. Leave if anything seems amiss. There's literally nothing worse than finding yourself on the wrong end of a drunk bigot who doesn't see you as a human being.
Um ... yes, I find it offensive.
Quote1. Let your hands rest on the table. Is he checking out your finger length ratios? Most ->-bleeped-<--haters are obsessed with minute developmental differences caused by intrauterine hormone levels that may or may not have anything to do with anything else. Also check out his big hairy knucles. Maybe it will freak him out.
2. Is he looking at your feet? Bad sign. He's either a foot fetishist or a ->-bleeped-<- hater. Either way, ditch him.
3. Be suspicious of any overly-large interest in your clothing. This indicates that he's either a ->-bleeped-<- hater, a ->-bleeped-<- ->-bleeped-<-, or just a closted ->-bleeped-<- himself, which is all fine and good, but probably not a good match for you.
4. I assume you've had a tracheal shave if you need it, so the Adam's apple thing won't be an issue. Nevertheless, if he's spending too much time looking at your neck rather than your boobs, he's either a ->-bleeped-<- hater or a gay closet case.
5. Again, he might check out your shoulders and hips, rather than your boobs. This is a sign of either transphobia or latent homosexuality. Bon't be fooled by guys who pretend to be "leg-men." They don't exist. All true men like boobies above all.
6. If he makes a show of letting you go first through a door or up a flight of stairs, or makes any attempt to pretend to check out your butt, this is a clear sign he's not focusing on the one thing that should matter to him, i.e., your boobs. He's either gay or transphobic. Stay away.
7. Going to the bathroom: If he tells you, "The men's room is over there, to the left," leave.
8. Is he checking out your makeup? Suggest some tips for him. Maybe he could use some concealer. Perhaps he needs a better cleanser -- if he's a guy, it's almost certain that he does. He's just beginning to come to terms with his variant gender identity. Perhaps you can help him along the way!
9. Be courteous and have a good time, but stay the hell away from bigoted freaks. Leave if anything seems amiss. There's literally nothing worse than finding yourself on the wrong end of a drunk bigot who doesn't see you as a human being.
You are awesome. :laugh:
@Alyssa...
nr. 6 but.. but... but... I'm an ass man.. I can't help it... boobs don't do that much for me. And it's polite, unless I'm showing the way, to let her go first. Especially in precarious stairs! Then I can catch you if you fall. ;)
Also, the list could be made way shorter by just having rule nr. 1;
If he spends more time looking at your shoulders, neck, hands and feet than your eyes and cleavage, then there's definitely something wrong with him.
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Also, it's Wikihow, you can all go there and correct the errors if you like.
This makes me really, really angry.
Ignorant yes. Offensive I don't know. The poor thing that wrote that is making a lot of assumptions & stereotyping. There are many transsexual women that don't have masculine voices, a tall stature, prominent brow ridges, big hands, super-size feet, an Adam's apple, wide shoulders, body-builder bodies, facial hair. In fact there are many transsexual women who could stand in front of him & he wouldn't know the damn difference because there isn't any. ;)
In all honesty, I really don't think the sort of people who would need this sort of information will have many friends anyway.
Think about it. What he's worried about is, will this persona be any good in bed. In other words, he's taking someone out for sex. He's treating women like prostitutes, he pays them with dinner and expects his reward. But he want to be sure he's going to get the right reward.
There are a lot of men who think this way. But how many women want to be treated in this way?
Imagine a genetic female. She has her flaws and like every woman since the dawn of time, she know what they are and does her best to work past them. Then her date is examining her for any flaws. Like he's buying a dog, or a horse, or a second hand car.
I recall, when I was still at school. Every boy, (12 years old onwards), claimed to have bedded dozens of women. Information was exchanged on how to spot the best ones. If she's too friendly, that means she's desperate. You can alwasy tell a virgin because they walk with their knees apart. If a woman blows cigarette smoke in your face, that means she's interested in you.
The first time I got near any chance with a girl I was 17. After 5 years of the usual school boy nonsense. She lay down on the grass with her feet about 12 inches apart, fully clothed. I flopped down onto her, put my knees outside of hers and pulled her legs together. I really thought that was how I was suppose to act.
Someone once gave me a maxim about relationship that sums it up nicely.
It's to be experienced rather than discussed.
Take a '50s screed by the John Birch Society about Communists infiltrating high places, replace "Red" with "->-bleeped-<-," and you get this. I laffed.
I once had a therapist who claimed to have had TG patients, but kept referring to transition as "transgendering". Sure, you're experienced! :D I believe we educate more doctors and casual therapists about gender incongruence than all the schools and DSM (dummy shrink manuals)combined!
It seemed like every one, they would say something and then back step two steps. Offensive? No. Funny? Not really. Somewhat humorous, is about all I could muster.
Oh that was very offensive!
Was. :angel:
Post Merge: February 20, 2010, 08:33:46 PM
Quote from: Janet Lynn on February 20, 2010, 06:25:05 PMIt seemed like every one, they would say something and then back step two steps.
The page has been pretty heavily edited. I took a look at the edit history and it has many many pages; the original article was very terse and only made generalizations. I suspect that since then a great number of reasonable people have had a hand in making the page what it is today.
Not really... its just stupid. Why would you have to examine each date that closely to see if they're trans. The writer just seems paranoid to me.
Very dumb. Retarded and in no sense of way is it offensive. It's saddening really...
there are alot of genetic women that fit thoses discriptions. Sounds like it was typed up by a male. I think it all depends on the person. Some are very fem, while others can be less. I think imo the hards are the hardest to hide. I have read that most MTF have more squared finger tips, while genetic female have rounded/pointed finger tips, so the grow or make their nails very curved and rounded to help cover this up.
Actually I don't. If a guy is so worried about it that he looks up sites like these then chances are I don't want to be with him in the first place.
I mean would you want to date someone constantly scrutinizing you to see if you are a guy or a girl? Or would you rather just go with the person who is more laid back? Which do you think would react better when you tell them about your past?
^It totally depends on the person. If a girl waits too long then tells they guy she was a male, ive heard of some going off on the girl..freakin out and sometimes harming her. You have to be very careful and that is why i think many are so worried about passing, especially if they are dating a straight male that doesnt know.
Old topic, but I actually got a laugh out of that lmao. It's just a bunch of horrid sterotyping but it's so horrid it's hilarious.
Quote from: Jeannette on February 11, 2010, 06:12:45 AM
Ignorant yes. Offensive I don't know. The poor thing that wrote that is making a lot of assumptions & stereotyping. There are many transsexual women that don't have masculine voices, a tall stature, prominent brow ridges, big hands, super-size feet, an Adam's apple, wide shoulders, body-builder bodies, facial hair. In fact there are many transsexual women who could stand in front of him & he wouldn't know the damn difference because there isn't any. ;)
I agree with Jeannette. I think it's very ignorant, maybe slightly offensive, but in my opinion I'm not really offended.
I.. Don't get it.
Honestly. If you like someone, then you like someone, right? That means to complete picture. If you turn out to like someone you did not expect to like, then that's not their thing; it's yours. And you can either lie to yourself by blaming to other person, or you can accept that you're interested in that other person, and live with it.
That's my take on it, anyway. For instance: I'm usually not attracted to men. But at some point, I met some guy I actually secretly pined for. This was before I put a name to the whole gender thing, for me, but in my.. Well; thoughts on him, I always pictured myself as female. I can't say I had any erotic fantasies, but lots of romantic ones. Anyway; at that point, I just accepted that, somehow, I could be attracted to men. And shrugged. Of course; he was already taken, and never noticed me, but I guess every girl, and guy, knows how that feels. :P
So if you're a Genetic Male, and find yourself sitting in a classy restaurant with a trans girl, then just ask yourself: Do I like her, yes or no? But let's be honest: You'd ask yourself that question with any girl you go on a date with, right?
This is a piece of c**p article goes to show that certain attitudes of bias toward others with different genders, transgender , transsexual etc... gets me mad we still have to endure such nonsense!
Nobody's mentioned the video version of the guide yet?
It's hilarious.
No, in fact I feel more offended by the blanket unwarranted counter attacks and generalizations made by people on this thread about it.
Websites like wiki-how are often written by hack writers being paid a pittance (I know, I've done stuff like that). It is probably being written very quickly and without much thought and doesn't deserve to be taken too much to heart.
I find it very offensive because they're being cock blockers. If it's a casual date, I don't want the girl to know my biological sex.