I've never heard anyone report this symptom, but it kind of makes sense because the body is going through another puberty.
I'm tired all the time now and I sleep longer than necessary. I don't really have 'more' energy, if anything I feel more lethargic. Anyone else get like this?
yes! i do...i sleep like there is no end....i think it could be due to a few things tho....i work a very crazy schedule and i feel like im on a very low dose of T (half than what the average take) (yes i hate it)....and then im sometimes depressed as well, just from stress and things like that...but yea im very worn down and lethargic
Yep.
Isn't that the opposite effect that T has (and puberty too) on males?
supposedly...but then again everyone is different...and everyone's circumstances are different also...thats why i feel like my lethargy may be (hopefully) due to my low dose, work schedule,etc
One of my friends suggested it's the body going in 'shock' with the change in hormones.
I fluctuate actually, during the day I have a lot of more energy than I did preT but I sleep much deeper than I did preT and sleep longer. And in the morning it takes me a lot longer to be fully awake.
Don't teens just sleep more? It'll probably fix itself after (second) puberty, right?
Nah not really... haven't really noticed it.
I love sleep always have done.
Jay
Quote from: tekla on February 10, 2010, 08:13:43 PM
Isn't that the opposite effect that T has (and puberty too) on males?
No it isn't. When I was at school (few years ago) all (or at least most) the guys were VERY tired all the time and slept until late even if they went to sleep are normal hours.
But then again, a lot of the girls were like that too. So ;)
I am one of those people who barely slept during first puberty and same goes for second one :P
Quote from: Myself on February 11, 2010, 06:29:40 AM
No it isn't. When I was at school (few years ago) all (or at least most) the guys were VERY tired all the time and slept until late even if they went to sleep are normal hours.
But then again, a lot of the girls were like that too. So ;)
I am one of those people who barely slept during first puberty and same goes for second one :P
Actually sounds kind of like my brothers.
I'm starting to feel sick, though.
Quote from: Lachlann on February 11, 2010, 09:28:16 AM
Actually sounds kind of like my brothers.
I'm starting to feel sick, though.
Your brothers also went through double puberty without being tired? :D or the being tired all the time thing?
Quote from: Myself on February 11, 2010, 09:42:35 AM
Your brothers also went through double puberty without being tired? :D or the being tired all the time thing?
Being tired all the time.
I used to get tired easily at times and I need alot of sleep, but I notice T gives me more energy and less tiredness. I do have my crash moments though.
I was wired on T at first. Not sure if it was just the happiness of finally starting or something hormonal. It died down after several months, but I still do have more energy/endurance compared to pre-T.
As far as the sleeping, though: my sleeping patterns went right back to how they were when I was a teenager. I was a horrible pseudo-insomniac as a teenager and couldn't fall asleep before midnight, no matter how tired I was; when I did get to sleep, it was a deep sleep that lasted 10+ straight hours. When I got to my 20's, 8 hours was sufficient and an 11pm-7am schedule worked well for several years.
After T, I soon found myself needing 10 hours of sleep again to not feel tired all the time, but I couldn't fall asleep before midnight no matter how much I (physically & mentally) tired myself out during the day. Thankfully, my sleep habits are slowly shifting back to the 8 hour, asleep by midnight schedule.
When I "went on T" (i.e., puberty, age 13, and a terrible year it was) I slept about 14 hours a day, no exaggeration.
There are/were days where I only wake up to eat! I have/had some days/weeks especially early on when I slept a ton. I was always tired. It's not as bad now but I did have a week recently where I slipped back into it.
Cheers
Myles
after i get my shot i tend to sleep for like 3 days then im okay again. weirdly enough this was something i experienced and at the time no one reassured me on. everyone was like er no.. youre meant to feel all adrenaline - rushed etc. 2 yrs on and i still get tired haha and i get tested regularly at my endo. i think its all to do with your body developing if im honest since a lot of teenagers do just that - sleep
I went through a long period of sleeping an average of every other night. For not always the most natural reasons [nothing too awful I can assure you!] Which ended a couple months before starting T. For this reason I cannot truthfully say whether or not it was my lifestyle adjustment that has caused an increase in my sleepiness or the T. I will, however, say that previous to those couple years spent in somewhat glorious a state of functionality I usually went to bed around 3 or 4 and had to wake up for 6 for school 5 days a week and never had a problem with fatigue. I will though tell you that now that I am on T I haven't missed a night of sleep in ages and if/when I do I don't feel so hot the next day.
I will say that I deal with having less sleep better than before. Pre-T it was "I'd rather not sleep than sleep less than 5 hours or so" I honestly felt better without. With T I'd much rather sleep 2 or 3 hours than not at all.
I also don't feel more tired during the day. I just find myself actually becoming tired at night, and not the kind of tired you can just work through. Tired like I can't concentrate on my hw because I'm too sleepy so I'm going to bed... but its only 12 or 1.
Hmm, I'm not on T yet but there have been many times i've been so tired that I could barely function. My doc started doing B-12 shots because he said my B-12 was abnormally low. I seem to go thru periods of being ok and other times I can't sleep for ->-bleeped-<-. Wonder how going onto T will help, and or hinder that.
Not looking forward to this. Already sleep 12 hours if I can and like a rock. I'm pretty sure female puberty's done.
Quote from: SilverFang on February 16, 2010, 10:30:07 PM
Not looking forward to this. Already sleep 12 hours if I can and like a rock. I'm pretty sure female puberty's done.
Nothing says it'll happen to you for sure, but at least you've been warned if it does. Besides, there's nothing wrong with 12 hours of sleep.
When I was 19 I used to sleep all the time and I had an early puberty. It just depends on you in the end.
I disagree! 12 hours of sleep sounds terrible.
I naturally sleep only 6-8 hours and I love it :D
Puberty tends to cause an adjustment to sleep patterns. A lot of adolescents tend to feel sleepy much later than they did as kids, and some teenagers can't fall asleep before midnight no matter what they do. So don't be surprised if you have trouble falling asleep as early as you used to.
When I'm paying attention, I have found it helpful to keep EXACTLY the same sleep schedule seven days a week. And stay away from bright light at night. If you're staring at a bright computer screen at eleven p.m., that might contribute to the problem. And it might help to expose yourself to bright light, preferably natural light (or a lightbox), first thing in the morning. The other thing that sometimes helps me is to have a winding down routine at night. So don't do anything too stimulating for maybe an hour before you want to go to bed.
In my case I have a hard time staying up passed 11PM, I get really tired. My schedule has been pretty much the same, except the last couple of days because I missed my shot.
I was wired for about a week. Then I had teenage boy hours. Could've slept till 2 PM, which wasn't conducive to maintaining employment. I'm 6 years onto T and sleep a normal amount now, but still need to make myself go to bed early. I'm up too late tonight. But I guess I'm metabolically about 20, which makes sense.
Dennis
Quote from: Lachlann on February 17, 2010, 12:08:45 AM
In my case I have a hard time staying up passed 11PM, I get really tired. My schedule has been pretty much the same, except the last couple of days because I missed my shot.
With me, I was staying up later than usual and sleeping longer. Now I'm starting to fall apart around midnight but still sleep longer. I wonder how long this will keep up...
As an addendum to my last post on this thread...apparently it's going to go on and on and on...and get worse. I used to start getting tired around midnight and would go to bed by one. Now I rarely make it to bed before two or three in the morning, and sometimes I can't sleep till five or even later. Unless I have an appointment or something, I don't get out of bed till the afternoon.
I suppose my being unemployed doesn't help, and neither did the recent time change. But I've been trying to dial back my sleep schedule and have not had much success. I can keep it up for a few days only. Then I crash and sleep till two in the afternoon. Gah.
Kinda glad this thread was necro'd.
I don't have much of a consistant body clock. When left to my own devices, it gets 3 - 6 hours drift per day (that said, I always seem to bias towards being nocturnal).... and that was pre-T.
Since T, I seem to want an hour or two nap in the afternoons. And I'm either bounding out of bed an hour before the alarm, or I'm dragging myself up and getting around half asleep for an hour or three.
It's harder to wake myself up when I'm tired, and harder to sleep when I'm wired.
It's pretty much exactly what I went through as a teenager.
Quote from: Teknoir on March 31, 2010, 03:23:18 AM
I don't have much of a consistant body clock. When left to my own devices, it gets 3 - 6 hours drift per day (that said, I always seem to bias towards being nocturnal).... and that was pre-T.
Perhaps you were born on a different planet? Anyway, I have similar drift (though much, much less--minutes rather than hours) when I'm left to my own devices, but correction always arrives, eventually, in some form. However, when I went off my depression meds a few years ago, I had continual significant drift for two or three months. I would wind up waking up at noon, then the afternoon, then the evening...it was nuts. I was always in the twilight zone. My brain chemistry was completely out of whack, in many ways.
Although I don't remember the particulars, I read some scholarly paper about a link between depression and sleep-phase disorders. Perhaps that's my problem now.
Teknoir, have you ever seen a sleep specialist?
Well, it seems like my insomnia is back, but I sleep longer when I do get to bed.
Hmm... I bet it was Saturn. Ring-a-ding-ding! :laugh:
I normally get pulled into some form of pattern by external forces (work, class, appointments and the like) so I don't drift as much as I otherwise would. Still can vary by up to about 1 - 3 hours for the same consistant morning alarm time.
I haven't seen a sleep specialist. I don't really think it's that out of the ordinary - I remember seeing on a doco years ago that it's not abnormal to drift an hour or two per day. I'm just... at one end slightly stretching the definition of "normal" ;)
It's not as bad as it seems. I don't often get the oppertunity to let my body clock do it's own thing. I've usually got to be up at some time for some reason.
I've also heard some meds can mess with sleep patterns. Makes sense - it's all neurochemistry. I've also heard the same link with depression and sleep disorders. It might be worth looking into if you are experiancing issues.
No such explanation for me though. I'm not afflicted with the curse of depression.
The "twilight zone" (Oh yeah, I sure know where that is. I have a condo there :laugh:) can pull you in if you aren't careful, and it can be difficult to get out again. Especially if you're depressed at the time.
I cut loose when I have holidays and follow my own body clock into the twilight zone willingly (it's nice not to wake up tired!) - but I try to stay no longer than a week at a time. It's just too easy to stop interacting with the world when it starts looking like disjointed time lapse. I also wouldn't go near it if I were feeling depressed - that sounds like a sure fire way to send yourself nuts.
The best tools for dealing with the "twilight zone" (living in it, or leaving it) are a firm grasp of 24 hour time, and clocks that shove the time and day / date in your face. I switched when I was a teenager because I got sick of not knowing if it was am or pm (and not knowing if the day had elapsed yet, or how many days had elapsed). Just having the real time and day of the week in your face can help you stay connected with "reality" enough to bring yourself back when it's time.
Quote from: Teknoir on March 31, 2010, 07:27:39 AM
I've also heard some meds can mess with sleep patterns. Makes sense - it's all neurochemistry. I've also heard the same link with depression and sleep disorders. It might be worth looking into if you are experiancing issues.
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The "twilight zone" (Oh yeah, I sure know where that is. I have a condo there :laugh:) can pull you in if you aren't careful, and it can be difficult to get out again. Especially if you're depressed at the time.
Yeah, I just came out of a particularly nasty seasonal depression, only to find that it wasn't ALL seasonal. So I'm still getting sucked into a rut. Trying to bootstrap out of it, but I'm fighting my stupid brain.
My therapist wanted to refer me to a psychiatrist for evaluation for some kind of mood stabilizer. He's not pushing for that so hard right now because I dramatically improved once spring kicked in, but I'm wondering if it would be a good idea anyway. However, I'm still unemployed and apparently just missed the cutoff for an extension. Money is becoming a big issue. I wonder if this shrink accepts my insurance...except I don't know that I want any kind of insurance paper trail on this...and I'm wary of psychiatrists in the first place.
I hate this.
Quote from: Arch on March 31, 2010, 04:37:17 AM
Although I don't remember the particulars, I read some scholarly paper about a link between depression and sleep-phase disorders. Perhaps that's my problem now.
That's probably true. I can sleep for most of the day every day if I'm depressed enough.