Poll
Question:
Do you think she is one of us?
Option 1: YES
votes: 4
Option 2: NO
votes: 23
If one watches her talk, she sure looks like an M/F. Keith Olbermann thinks so. There are a lot of web pages speculating
If by 'us' you are understood to mean 'nasty, mean, selfish, clever but not funny, mindlessly agressive and a hypocrite' then yes, old Anne is one of us. But trans, I don't think so.
who cares? whose business is it?
There is absolutely no chance whatsoever that Ann Coulter is transgendered. She's just an unpleasant, sensationalist "journalist" who not only doesn't check her facts, but fabricates them outright and then starts screaming. She's worse than Bill O'Reilly and on par with Rush Limbaugh.
I find this poll to be disgusting, doubly so since it's created by someone who should know how offensive it is to have your gender questioned.
Shame on you!
I'd prefer to keep my nose out of her personal business, where's that option on the poll?
I want a "who cares?" option :P
sorry------but I feel the right-wing birther teabag pundits are fair game for any attack
Quote from: xsocialworker on February 19, 2010, 02:05:00 PM
sorry------but I feel the right-wing birther teabag pundits are fair game for any attack
The retarded right may be game to rip at their stupidity, but my line stops at personal attacks. Trans or not, Coulter has the right to life her own life as she sees fit, as long as the rights of others aren't violated. (or self harm is being done)
When you lower yourself to their level, you make them look better by making us look worse.
Have you considered that your "poll" is adopting an implicitly ANTI-trans prejudice used by cisgendered people to smear other cisgendered people by implying they might be (shudder) transsexual. "You're so nasty, I'm going to call you transsexual!! Take that!"
Why on earth would we engage in that sort of self-hating mockery?
IMO, media accusations of Ann Coulter as trans are transphobic and the judgments of her expression of womanhood are misogynistic. I really don't care if Ms Coulter is trans or not. If what she says is offensive, she should be called on it. Same goes for anyone in the news media. But we don't need to resort to attacks on their gender.
Z
OOPS I did it again:
1) Jumped the shark
2) Shot my credibility
3) But I still think it neat to treat the right pundits like they treat everybody else and It's fun to sink to their level.
I don't know if she is, and I don't care. She is mean, wrong-headed, hatefull, and full of herself (and something else); I do not pay any attention to her rantings, except when they're exposed. Which, come to think of it, occurs most every time she opens her mouth!
IF she has engaged in attacks against transgendered people, THEN she is fair game for revealing her own GI, IF she is a transgendered hypocrite. It is not fair game to sink to her level of baseless untruths otherwise. Lord knows, there's plenty to tear her a new one on in most everything she says without making it up.
SusanKG
:eusa_naughty: :eusa_naughty: :eusa_naughty:
Quote from: xsocialworker on February 19, 2010, 09:40:41 PM
OOPS I did it again:
1) Jumped the shark
2) Shot my credibility
3) But I still think it neat to treat the right pundits like they treat everybody else and It's fun to sink to their level.
Just say you were being ironic :P
I don't care and I think this thread is just downright spiteful. ::)
Quote from: xsocialworker on February 19, 2010, 08:13:42 AM
Do you think she is one of us?
Yup she's one of us. I'm very sure she's human & not an extraterrestrial.
We could debate if Rush is fat and bigoted and Glenn Beck is hysterical, but this not the place. I could call all the women on FOX fembots, but this not the place so I won't.
Being abusive doesn't do any good. And ad hominem attacks just make you look stupid, even if the arguments you're attacking are dumb -- especially if they're dumb. If you can't attack Ann Coulter's words without attacking her appearance, then shut up. It's sexist, lookist, transphobic, and makes you look like even more of an idiot than Ann Coulter.
No, I don't think she's trans; I think she's a rather attractive cissexual woman, which has absolutely no bearing on the hatred and vitriol that comes out of her mouth when she speaks.
Xsocialworker all you are doing in this thread is proving that people on the left can be just as hateful, spiteful, bigoted and down right nasty as people on the right. I see this all the time in discussions of American politics and it confuses me. In other countries people of differing political views can disagree with each other without having to hate each other, why isn't this possible in the USA? And why is it that people seem to be required to agree 100% with their chosen party's stand on every single issue in the US? I can find things that I agree and disagree with in almost all the parties platforms here in my country. I don't think any of them are evil just because I don't agree with everything they stand for. It all seems very strange.
Quote from: Wendy1974 on February 20, 2010, 11:19:36 AM
Xsocialworker all you are doing in this thread is proving that people on the left can be just as hateful, spiteful, bigoted and down right nasty as people on the right. I see this all the time in discussions of American politics and it confuses me. In other countries people of differing political views can disagree with each other without having to hate each other, why isn't this possible in the USA? And why is it that people seem to be required to agree 100% with their chosen party's stand on every single issue in the US? I can find things that I agree and disagree with in almost all the parties platforms here in my country. I don't think any of them are evil just because I don't agree with everything they stand for. It all seems very strange.
What I find most ironic is how often significant intolerance is shown and accepted under the guise of fighting intolerance.
I agree with Gov.Howard Dean that the left needs to fight back and hard. Remember Lyndon Johnson and Medicare? We need a public option on Health Care with 51 votes. As for making fun of right-wing wing nuts? I think they need to get it back as good as they give. If Ann Coulter can call Rachel Maddow a man, I think she is fair game for being called a transsexual. Sorry. I have no problem satirizing figures of the right in any terms that might fit. They started "Death Panels" and "Fema Death Camps".
Quote from: xsocialworker on February 20, 2010, 03:46:56 PM
I agree with Gov.Howard Dean that the left needs to fight back and hard. Remember Lyndon Johnson and Medicare? We need a public option on Health Care with 51 votes. As for making fun of right-wing wing nuts? I think they need to get it back as good as they give. If Ann Coulter can call Rachel Maddow a man, I think she is fair game for being called a transsexual. Sorry. I have no problem satirizing figures of the right in any terms that might fit. They started "Death Panels" and "Fema Death Camps".
I lean to the right, I'm not a public figure but do you want to attack me too? ::)
Quote from: Wendy1974 on February 20, 2010, 11:19:36 AM
Xsocialworker all you are doing in this thread is proving that people on the left can be just as hateful, spiteful, bigoted and down right nasty as people on the right. I see this all the time in discussions of American politics and it confuses me. In other countries people of differing political views can disagree with each other without having to hate each other, why isn't this possible in the USA?
Right. That's why free speech and religious tolerance reign supreme in Afganistan, Pakistan, Somolia, Russia, China, and the hundred plus other freedom-loving democracies around this peaceful globe - only the U.S.A. prevents freedom by actually allowing people to criticize those they disagree with, and to allow them to criticize robustly back. Name-calling and invictive is not needed in an intelligent conversation; a rule I sometimes adhere to. With a very few exceptions, I do not hate anyone for an opinion; a hateful and violent opinion based in ignorance or malice can earn my hate.
People on the "left" ARE just as hateful, spiteful, bigoted and downright nasty as people on the wrong (sic). That's because they are just as human as those who adhire to the philosophies of the Fasicist Republic parties infecting this country.
Speaking of why can't we all get along, I see a couple of girls are spoiling to feel all agrieved and the targets of evil-doing left wingers.
xsocialworker - I saw where you tried to back this down. Nice try, but nice fire.
Perhaps someoone in authority should move this to a political area.
SusanKG
Quote from: xsocialworker on February 20, 2010, 03:46:56 PM
I agree with Gov.Howard Dean that the left needs to fight back and hard.
Eh?
Perhaps you are unfamiliar with Keith Olberman, Bill Maher, Michael Moore, Jenine Garafelo, etc, etc, etc.
Or is someone only "hateful" when they are on the other end of the political spectrum from you?
The irony here is that Coulter and Rush and so forth think THEY are the ones "fighting back" against the views of the aforementioned
My guess is more would get done if less were fighting.
Quote from: Laura Hope on February 21, 2010, 01:29:29 AM
Eh?
Perhaps you are unfamiliar with Keith Olberman, Bill Maher, Michael Moore, Jenine Garafelo, etc, etc, etc.
Or is someone only "hateful" when they are on the other end of the political spectrum from you?
The irony here is that Coulter and Rush and so forth think THEY are the ones "fighting back" against the views of the aforementioned
My guess is more would get done if less were fighting.
I couldn't agree with you more. The problem is nothing ever gets solved or even discussed civilly because at some point somebody starts getting mean and spiteful, which makes the other side start getting mean and spiteful, which provokes more hostility and spite, till nobody is doing anything but throwing insults at each other.
The other problem is people who utterly refuse to try and see why other people have different views to them, and what compels those views. They just spend all their effort thinking up ways to attack them rather than questioning if maybe they have a point.
Quote from: Valentina on February 20, 2010, 03:51:30 AM
Yup she's one of us. I'm very sure she's human & not an extraterrestrial.
Now that I don't agree with! I think she is from outer space.
Quote from: Laura Hope on February 21, 2010, 01:29:29 AM
Eh?
Perhaps you are unfamiliar with Keith Olberman, Bill Maher, Michael Moore, Jenine Garafelo, etc, etc, etc.
Or is someone only "hateful" when they are on the other end of the political spectrum from you?
The irony here is that Coulter and Rush and so forth think THEY are the ones "fighting back" against the views of the aforementioned
My guess is more would get done if less were fighting.
I never miss any of their shows and I pretty much agree with all of them on everything. You left out Chris Matthews and Ed Schultz. MSNBC is my only source for news and I admit that being an Olbermannbot is no different than blindly following Fox Noise. However, I feel very much at home on the far left. Sorry I ever started this, but the right has been full of closet cases and it's makes it funnier because the right is the political advocates of repealing laws protecting Trans people. Look up Tim Pawlenty, the so-called moderate. Look up the current campaign in Gainsville Fl.
Quote from: SusanKG on February 21, 2010, 12:52:23 AM
Right. That's why free speech and religious tolerance reign supreme in Afganistan, Pakistan, Somolia, Russia, China, and the hundred plus other freedom-loving democracies around this peaceful globe - only the U.S.A. prevents freedom by actually allowing people to criticize those they disagree with
You are right Susan the USA is the only freedom loving democracy in the world, all other countries are backwards, intolerant, banana republics where fear and hate reign supreme.
There are advocates of rolling our rights backwards including Tim Pawlenty, Paul Scott, David Caton, and Tim Widmon. Just watching the Democrats being hamstrung by the Republican minority is nauseating. We should have Health Care Reform,, Enda, and ending DADT completed by now. As I am not in Congress nor have my own show on MSNBC or HBO, I like to rant on various forums and poke fun at right-wing pundits. If the moderators of this place ask me to stop, I'll stop and keep my posts to voice and permanent eye make-up.
Quote from: xsocialworker on February 21, 2010, 07:50:01 AM
I never miss any of their shows and I pretty much agree with all of them on everything. You left out Chris Matthews and Ed Schultz. MSNBC is my only source for news and I admit that being an Olbermannbot is no different than blindly following Fox Noise. However, I feel very much at home on the far left.
As long as you are honest with yourself that KO rants as much as RL and BM is basically the mirror reflection of AC, I'm fine with it. I've no need to change your political views, so long as you are not fooling yourself that one side is made up of more fair and reasonable people than the other.
Quote
Sorry I ever started this, but the right has been full of closet cases and it's makes it funnier because the right is the political advocates of repealing laws protecting Trans people. Look up Tim Pawlenty, the so-called moderate. Look up the current campaign in Gainsville Fl.
Do I wish that those on the right had a more accepting view on trans (and broader LGBT) issues?
Oh hell yeah.
The reason I lean right, though, is because my political world doesn't stop at my own doorstep. If all I was worried about was my own personal good then I'd favor any politician who would put more money in my pocket and see after my own needs more than those of others.
BUT
As it turns out, having full rights in a country too bankrupt to continue existing is kind of an empty victory. Find me a politician, in ANY party, who defends my rights AND knows how to manage the economy and control the size and cost of government, and I'll hit the streets for that person.
I've yet to see one.
I might be wrong but I think I'm MORE likely to find an "economic conservative" who can be persuaded to accept people like me and protect our rights than I am to find a hard let politician who is friendly to LGBT issues who can be persuaded that government spending is not the answer to every problem.
I'd take either one though.
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Quote from: xsocialworker on February 21, 2010, 08:51:01 AM
There are advocates of rolling our rights backwards including Tim Pawlenty, Paul Scott, David Caton, and Tim Widmon. Just watching the Democrats being hamstrung by the Republican minority is nauseating. We should have Health Care Reform,, Enda, and ending DADT completed by now. As I am not in Congress nor have my own show on MSNBC or HBO, I like to rant on various forums and poke fun at right-wing pundits. If the moderators of this place ask me to stop, I'll stop and keep my posts to voice and permanent eye make-up.
If you think any of those things was prevented by Republicans, with all due respect, you are letting your partisan views blind you to reality. If the Democrats all agreed on those pieces of legislation, they would be done by now because they have the votes.
In point of fact, those things have not been done because of far left Democrats (Pelosi and Ried at the forefront) insisting on provisions that moderate Democrats couldn't support.
There is no grounds upon which to blame the GOP because they have (or had, before Scott Brown) no power to stop anything.
It's the same difference as when the Republicans were in charge but couldn't please the middle-far right because every time they tried Lincoln Chafee or Arlen Spector would screw it up. And that which pleased, for instance, Tom Couburn didn't please Spector and vice-versa.
Interesting, at first I didn't want to touch this Thread with a 10' anything, but I find that reading posts from both sides of the spectrum, I can't hold out any longer. I feel both the left and right over-react, over sensationalize, take everything said out of context and exploit it to their own stance high up on their respective pedestals. I read the news on Drudge report I try to look at things in a neutral position, and will not make stupid comments on anyones feeling or theories.
As far as Ann goes, yes she's human, and a damn good looking one at that! What she says is her business, I listen, I analyze, I file data. there are those I disagree with but not all the time, and there are those I agree with, but again, not all the time.
God I love this country!
Evie
Being an extremist is more fun. I wonder if William F. Buckley would have supported transgender rights. Barry Goldwater came around to being a supporter for Gay rights and Merle Haggard endorsed Hilary
Just a guess - I'm thinking Buckley would have been at roughly the same position as Goldwater.
The moralistic problems in the GOP arose from the fact that those who were energized by the desire to stop abortion-on-demand (a position I'm sympathetic too and think is at least a legitimate motivation for political activism) also brought with them their cultural presuppositions about a host of other moralistic issues that are not properly the role of government.
the thing is, those people became so very active in the grassroots of the party that no major politician dared risk alienating these people because they were the lifeblood of the party primary system.
The thing to note is that, except for pretty rare instances (DOMA for instance) once these politicians get in office they go out of there way to stay away from those issues.
My guess is that most of them are not anti-gay (or trans, whatever) at all so much as just craven enough to acquiesce to the base.
Which I'd resent a lot more except that that's what politics has always been. the true visionary leaders who change the paradigm are almost non-existent.
Lol, I took her for a Dominatrix! I work in a bookstore and we always have a good laugh when her books come out. All you have to do is look at the book cover and imagine a whip and some handcuffs....bwahahaha! :o
It took two pages, but we got back to the alleged right to abortion on demand issue. Well, OK, I do support the right to an abortion when I and my doctor decide that is the correct treatment for me. I also support receiving proper counseling, hormone therapy, on-going medical care and assistance throughout my transition, and proper GRS surgery when the time comes. I also support the right to proper treatment for illness, proper care and needed surgery for heart problems, stroke, broken limbs, gout, ingrown nails, mental and emotional difficulties, and the hundreds of other medical issues people face. So I guess, yes, I support socialized health care for my country. Anything else is depraved indifference to millions of Americans, just as denying access to an abortion to millions of Americans is vicious moralizing by the facist wrong wingers. What the wrong wing has done for health care for eight years and much longer when they had the political power is NOTHING, except calling for restricting people's right to sue and receive damages for, well, damages.
Quote from: Wendy1974 on February 21, 2010, 08:08:59 AM
You are right Susan the USA is the only freedom loving democracy in the world, all other countries are backwards, intolerant, banana republics where fear and hate reign supreme.
I guess that's sarcasm; my quote did not claim the USA was the only freedom-loving country in the world.
And I know, I'm doing my part in totally departing from the topic of xscialworker's thread here - Ann Coulter, and whether it is proper to intimate she is transgendered. I repeat my self: IF she is transgendered, and IF she has attacked other transgendered persons or transgender rights, she is properly a target of that line of attack. Otherwise, let's keep it adult and proper by restraining ourselves to calling her the ninny she is!
SusanKG
Amanda Simpson's government appointment was denounced on loads of right-wing blogs.
The fact that we can still have a political discussion complete with criticism of democrats/republicans/right wing/left wing/ etc tells me that our government is still basically OK. When dissenting talk is repressed is when real trouble starts. So we've swung left, eventually we'll swing right, and so on.
As for ann, shes like anybody else. I take what she has to say with a grain of salt. Sure, she is outspoken but so is rush, olberman, maddow, hannity, and many others. Listen to who you like and agree with.
And I don't think that she is trans.
I still think she is, but ultimately it only matters because of the hypocracy of the right like Larry Craig opposing ENDA and Mark Foley.
Quote from: xsocialworker on February 22, 2010, 09:53:53 AM
hypocracy of the right
I'm just stepping in to say I like this misspelling.
Hypocracy [n. From
ήπο- prep. and adv. 'under'+
κράτος 'rule, sway, authority']
1. Failure (as of a government or government official) to govern
2. Government by the unqualified (for example, the first 100 names in the Boston, Massachusetts, phone directory, Washington "outsiders," Sarah Palin, etc.)
See William F. Buckley, Teabaggers, term limits, "starve the beast," Michael "Heckuva Job" "Brownie" Brown, George W. Bush
Okay, carry on! ;)
Quote from: SusanKG on February 22, 2010, 01:41:27 AM
It took two pages, but we got back to the alleged right to abortion on demand issue. Well, OK, I do support the right to an abortion when I and my doctor decide that is the correct treatment for me. I also support receiving proper counseling, hormone therapy, on-going medical care and assistance throughout my transition, and proper GRS surgery when the time comes. I also support the right to proper treatment for illness, proper care and needed surgery for heart problems, stroke, broken limbs, gout, ingrown nails, mental and emotional difficulties, and the hundreds of other medical issues people face. So I guess, yes, I support socialized health care for my country. Anything else is depraved indifference to millions of Americans, just as denying access to an abortion to millions of Americans is vicious moralizing by the facist wrong wingers. What the wrong wing has done for health care for eight years and much longer when they had the political power is NOTHING, except calling for restricting people's right to sue and receive damages for, well, damages.
SusanKG
Touchy much?
I made no argument here in favor of or against abortion, and it's pretty regrettable you are so obsessed with it that you can't read my remark in context.
I do not intend to discuss or debate abortion in this thread or on this board - I only made the point that even IF one sympathizes with the position that abortion should be regulated (and favoring regulation and reasonable restrictions is NOT being "anti-choice" by the way - there are reasonable restrictions on all sorts of medical procedures) the side effect on the political process was the injection of a lot of OTHER moralizing that was much less arguably the role of the federal government.
It's really not necessary to get on the soapbox about abortion - no one here is attacking it.
As to the rest of your point - well, I have resolved some time ago that I will not waste my breath on anyone who sees fit to call their political opponent a fascist. There are no fascists in this country at this time and I've observed that there is a direct inverse relationship between one's willingness to use the term and ones understanding of what the term means.
I'm afraid that this reply is too harsh, but no so harsh as going around calling people fascists.
If I'm not mistaken, I believe that the idea of Ann Coulter being transgender is an idea perpetuated by trolls who get their lulz from it. She just looks like she "could be" and while she is a biological woman, this makes her an easy target.
Quote from: xsocialworker on February 22, 2010, 09:05:53 AM
Amanda Simpson's government appointment was denounced on loads of right-wing blogs.
there's a lot of unwise - and downright nutty - things said on lots of blogs on both sides.
i hope we are not defining the mainstream of either side by the most troubling things we find on blogs.