Gladiators used to wear a skirt.
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The Egyptian sun God Ra also.
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The farao loves make-up.
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Jedi knights wear dresses.
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The typical medieval european man wears panties and a dress.
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Hermaphroditus
Hermaphroditus was an immortal son of Hermes through Aphrodite. He was changed into an androgynous being when the gods literally granted the nymph Salmacis' wish that they never separate.
HERMAPHRODITOS (or Hermaphroditus in Latin) was the god of hermaphrodites and of effeminate men. He was numbered amongst the winged love-gods known as Erotes.
Hermaphroditos was a son of Hermes and Aphrodite, the gods of male and female sexuality.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermes)
Hermes (pronounced /ˈhɜrmiːz/; Greek Ἑρμῆς) is the great Messenger of the gods in Greek mythology as well as a guide to the Underworld. An Olympian god, he is also the patron of boundaries and of the travelers who cross them, of shepherds and cowherds, of thieves and road travelers, of orators and wit, of literature and poets, of athletics, of weights and measures, of invention, of general commerce, and of the cunning of thieves and liars.[1] His symbols include the tortoise, the rooster, the winged sandals, the winged hat, and the caduceus (given to him by Apollo in exchange for the lyre). In the Roman adaptation of the Greek religion (see interpretatio romana), Hermes was identified with the Roman god Mercury, who, though inherited from the Etruscans, developed many similar characteristics, such as being the patron of commerce.
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my 8-ball says "Reply hazy, try again"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lUjhEHlh7s# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lUjhEHlh7s#)
Henry VIII had it made, he had a skirt and a massive cod-piece, that is the way forward.
It was just the style at the time. A "tunic" is basically a dress for men intended to also be worn with pants. The greeks hadn't evolved past wrapping sheets around themsleves. And gladiators were dirt poor, they'd wear anything. Tabards are just sheets worn over armour.
Sorry... this is my major.
And wasn't the black eye paint in egypt by the same principle as what football players do? Ie: sun.
Thanks Flan Husky I'd forgotten that one :laugh: :laugh:
clothes maketh the man (Shakespeare I think but cannot remember which play)
Mark Twain improved it
Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society.
Cindy
Back then everyone was bisexual. they werent obsessed with presenting as straight. then right wing conservatives and the united states came along and b0tched everything up.
You're half right. Back then everybody was bisexual, but they either came up with convenient excuses to explain it away. Ie The Spartans "When the women are away, the boys will play" I think was something along their motto. The Athenians actually were constantly making fun of the Spartans and their man-man sex because the Spartans were always on the Athenians about how effeminate they were. In Medieval Europe, SO many nobles were disgraced when their Heretical Perversions were discovered.
Nothing has ever made sense ever.
Nothing ever will
Re: Are gladiators, knights and rulers crossdressers ?
I just looked at this again and saw in my mind a wooden ruler ( as in inches/centimeters) wearing a Henry the VIII outfit. It was funny.
Also remember that "back in the day" was all about who had power over who.
The Roman noble wasnt "gay" because he was the penetrator. The woman, girl, boy, slave he penetrated was powerless to say "no."
Well provided the woman, girl, boy wasnt a fellow noble.
Absolute power corrupts, absolutely.
Back in the days when it was all about power, sex and money.
Lucky us that time is completely over now ...
:-*
It's not that the world's about sex, power, and money that bothers me, but rather that I'm generally excluded from all three.
Quote from: Jester on March 15, 2010, 09:20:25 AM
It's not that the world's about sex, power, and money that bothers me, but rather that I'm generally excluded from all three.
Snap
Quote from: Jester on March 15, 2010, 09:20:25 AM
It's not that the world's about sex, power, and money that bothers me, but rather that I'm generally excluded from all three.
Who said you could share my cage?
A power struggle amongst the powerless, almost sexy, you others should bet money on it.
That sounds like an amazing concept for a movie.
Quote from: Jester on March 15, 2010, 09:20:25 AM
It's not that the world's about sex, power, and money that bothers me, but rather that I'm generally excluded from all three.
Me too. Join the club.
This is turning into quite the cage match.
Ooh cage fighting-all those lovely muscles
I was a teenage sex object. Any girl I mentioned sex to objected. ;D
Those examples weren't cross-dressers because those outfits were standard fare for males. In this era(jokes aside) , men in Scotland, Thailand, Burma, and Saudi Arabia all can wear a skirt like garment considered male attire. A man who "cross-dresses' in Iran would have to wear long pants and a long sleeved jacket summer and winter along with a head covering. In the Illiad, Achilles dressed as a woman to hide from Agamemnon and avoid the war. Women's clothes were for more restrictive and body covering than male clothing back then.
Gladiator shoes have been popular here since last summer or 2 years ago. I thought there were for summer, but I see some ladies here already wear them in spring.
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Yesterday, I strolled in a street of Seoul, and looked around some shoe stores. Virtually all shoes for women were gladiator heels. Heel height looked > 8 cm (3 inch) and even > 5 inch. There were all for sale, and price tags were less than US $20.
This year, flat galdiator heels are exepcted to be trendy.
Actually galdiator shoes look neutral, and fashion experts recommend not to wear them with formal dresses. To my eyes, they looks sexy with skinny jeans. I wish to have them, but the biggest size for mass sale here is 250 mm (mine is 265 mm, US size 10). Sigh.
Barbie~~