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Community Conversation => Non-binary talk => Topic started by: Sevan on February 25, 2010, 10:44:51 AM

Poll
Question: Based on this picture (and NOT what you know of me otherwise) what would you say?
Option 1: Boy
Option 2: Girl
Option 3: Androgyn
Title: How do I read to you?
Post by: Sevan on February 25, 2010, 10:44:51 AM
Being as I'm in my own skin...I really can't tell how I'm read anymore. I've changed quite a few things about my face in a short amount of time. I cut my hair, colored it and got contacts. It's made a rather drastic difference in my appearance. (I think..) and I know how *I* think I'm presenting...but what about you? What do you think?

(edited to add the picture. Wow. Duh....lol) (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi13.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa300%2Fcandiussell%2F365%2F2-24-10.jpg&hash=1c477a678ade19ef728a1490fd55ab5ca4729e66)

Feel free to discuss and leave comments as well if you'd like. (friendly suggestions welcome.)
Title: Re: How do I read to you?
Post by: no_id on February 25, 2010, 11:16:35 AM
Alright, so I'm going to assume you mean a full examination.

Face: appears feminine to me; the rosy cheeks, the smile and I think your face looks more leaning towards androgynous in your avatar picture. Additionally, I'm not sure if losing the glasses was a good bet: glasses really affect your face and are great to highlight some features. Ever thought about a more masculine frame?... Also, those cheeks.. Hmz perhaps try some make up or a tan?
Bodytype: I see hourglass, though that might also be because the hands in the pockets accentuate it. Wardrobe can do wonders though.

That pretty much concludes my honest opinion.
Title: Re: How do I read to you?
Post by: kyril on February 25, 2010, 11:21:33 AM
Your avatar pic is pretty androgynous, but the one you posted looks very feminine. Your body's sending some cues (hip to shoulder ratio), and from the front with your bright sparkling smile on full blast, you're sending really strong feminine vibes even through the masculine outfit.

A jacket with boxier shoulders and sleeves might eliminate the body cues and leave you looking more andro. Also consider wearing your hat lower on your forehead, higher on your ears and the back of your head. Wearing toques tilted back is a feminine style, while forward is more gender neutral (all the way down over the eyebrows is strongly masculine).
Title: Re: How do I read to you?
Post by: Nero on February 25, 2010, 12:08:38 PM
Well, what do you mean by 'androgyn'? You look like an androgynous female bodied person. Is that what you mean?
Title: Re: How do I read to you?
Post by: Pica Pica on February 25, 2010, 12:45:03 PM
I think you look like a female.
Title: Re: How do I read to you?
Post by: reilly on February 25, 2010, 04:08:06 PM
I'd say female.  As said above, the "rosy cheeks", hat, and smile are feminine, as is the fringe.  Your stance and posture seem more feminine than masculine to me as well.  You have a great smile!
Title: Re: How do I read to you?
Post by: Sevan on February 25, 2010, 04:15:10 PM
I wasn't really going for any particular "look" I was trying to be comfy and I was trying to be...Me. I am an androgyn so I don't mind appearing girly. I'm not trying to hide it really.

Thank you for the comments. Normally when trying to present masculine I smurk instead of SMILE, I twist slightly so my hips are less obvious....blah blah blah. All that stuff.

I'm not out at work and with the hair cut I was worried I'd just outted myself. A person at another site I'm part of said I don't read female at all and she'd never guess it and that kinda freaked me out cuz for the time being I'm still trying to fit mostly into the woman mold.
Title: Re: How do I read to you?
Post by: Nicky on February 25, 2010, 04:20:50 PM
I think you look happy and comfortable, like someone comfortable in their own skin.

I think it is a good look.
Title: Re: How do I read to you?
Post by: Sevan on February 25, 2010, 04:27:30 PM
Quote from: Nero on February 25, 2010, 12:08:38 PM
Well, what do you mean by 'androgyn'? You look like an androgynous female bodied person. Is that what you mean?

Androgyn as in...really rather  ??? about the person's birth sex. Truely unsure. (in THIS context...that's what I meant. Yes I know that's not what Androgyns are IN GENERAL)

@Nicky: Awww thanks sweety!

That was me after getting HRT FROM MY GP last night!!! WOOOOOOHOOOOOOO!!! (Yea...I've been DIY for the last...month. But not anymore!) So I was really feeling just this...radiating light out every pore kinda vibe. hehe
Title: Re: How do I read to you?
Post by: Nero on February 25, 2010, 04:47:22 PM
Quote from: phx_rising on February 25, 2010, 04:27:30 PM
Androgyn as in...really rather  ??? about the person's birth sex. Truely unsure. (in THIS context...that's what I meant. Yes I know that's not what Androgyns are IN GENERAL)

@Nicky: Awww thanks sweety!

That was me after getting HRT FROM MY GP last night!!! WOOOOOOHOOOOOOO!!! (Yea...I've been DIY for the last...month. But not anymore!) So I was really feeling just this...radiating light out every pore kinda vibe. hehe

Well, you're close to androgyn in appearance. I think few people can really pull off a completely androgynous look. People automatically visually filter into male and female. I think with a few changes, you'd slip into 'neither' category.
One thing if you're going for androgynous rather than male - T will place you firmly in the male camp. Not so conducive to remaining in the woman mold.
Title: Re: How do I read to you?
Post by: Sevan on February 25, 2010, 04:56:30 PM
YMMV...this is true. For now I'm on low dose gel. We just did my T level blood draw yesterday so we'll see where Im at with that.

It's possible that transitioning fully male is somewhere in my future. I'm not counting it out. It's just not for now. However T is contributing fully and seriously to my sanity...so we're good with that!
Title: Re: How do I read to you?
Post by: Nero on February 25, 2010, 05:09:25 PM
QuoteHowever T is contributing fully and seriously to my sanity...so we're good with that!

Mine too.  :laugh: Well, that's always a good sign.  :)
Title: Re: How do I read to you?
Post by: cynthialee on February 25, 2010, 05:18:36 PM
I wanted to vote...looks like a dyke

luv ya Hunny
:-*
Title: Re: How do I read to you?
Post by: Sevan on February 25, 2010, 05:29:32 PM
Terribly sorry I didn't make that an option for ya lovie. *pfffffff* (that's a rasperberry.  ;D )
Title: Re: How do I read to you?
Post by: Silver on February 25, 2010, 06:00:26 PM
Female, no doubt.
Title: Re: How do I read to you?
Post by: no_id on February 26, 2010, 12:02:09 AM
Quote from: phx_rising on February 25, 2010, 10:44:51 AM
(friendly suggestions welcome.)
QuoteI wasn't really going for any particular "look" I was trying to be comfy and I was trying to be

Out of curiosity, what kind of 'friendly suggestions' did you aim for?
Title: Re: How do I read to you?
Post by: Sevan on February 26, 2010, 09:36:24 AM
I wasn't aiming for anything. Just letting it be known that if you HAD suggestions, thoughts or comments...that they were welcome. I've seen polls where the creator doesn't want anyone to discuss...but just poll so...I was making it known that conversation was/is/continues to be...okie dokie.

As to the poll itself...maybe if I posted an OLD picture of myself...you'd understand why I was worried I was reading male now. I've come a long long way in my style, look, posture.
Title: Re: How do I read to you?
Post by: no_id on February 26, 2010, 09:51:40 AM
Thanks for the elaboration. ;)
Personally I'm curious to see the older picture to get a better understanding.
Title: Re: How do I read to you?
Post by: Sevan on February 26, 2010, 10:20:58 AM
Here's one:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi13.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa300%2Fcandiussell%2Fnewhaircolor.jpg&hash=7fd472f16ceb0da116ca47824aec15b8963f2c57)
I was working on a collage of old pictures last night and ended up grieving. Oops. Didn't mean to upset myself so. Ah well...such is life. This was...2006 I think? Probably.
Title: Re: How do I read to you?
Post by: Eva Marie on February 26, 2010, 12:36:35 PM
Well, you've certainly come a long way from your old picture.

Another vote for feminine here, with the rosy cheeks and big smile, but an observant person would realize that there is ....... something ...... going on with you  :) And you look happy in the new picture as well.
Title: Re: How do I read to you?
Post by: Pica Pica on February 26, 2010, 06:30:16 PM
you do look happier in the new picture, i like that
Title: Re: How do I read to you?
Post by: Sevan on February 26, 2010, 08:39:30 PM
In all my old pictures it was very...posed. Shoulders back, smile just this much, open eyes this much, tilt head this way...nothing was EVER a simple candid. Ever. Often times I'd take 4-5 pictures before I was satified.

Recently...pictures just...are. I don't worry. I smile, I squint if that's what's gonna happen...it just...IS.

As to the rosy cheeks...well without make up there seems to be nothing much I can do about that. That's just how my face is. And adding make up...just seems...counter intuitive. If a natal male has a ruddy complexion then...he's got a ruddy complexion! He'd never wear cover up just to hide his cheeks. I understand that I'm NOT a natal male but...I don't know..just thoughts I'm kicking around that clearly aren't fully formed yet! lmao.
Title: Re: How do I read to you?
Post by: Nero on February 26, 2010, 08:49:57 PM
Quote from: phx_rising on February 26, 2010, 10:20:58 AM
Here's one:
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi13.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa300%2Fcandiussell%2Fnewhaircolor.jpg&hash=7fd472f16ceb0da116ca47824aec15b8963f2c57)
I was working on a collage of old pictures last night and ended up grieving. Oops. Didn't mean to upset myself so. Ah well...such is life. This was...2006 I think? Probably.

Damn!  :)
Title: Re: How do I read to you?
Post by: Sevan on February 27, 2010, 12:06:04 AM
*blushes* thanks Nero, thanks Ativan.

In my very early adult life I dressed male, had male hair cut, was in a committed lesbian relationship...I was treated very male. I was super skinny little rail of a thing and my chest wasn't near as big as it is now. Pretty easy to hide. People treated me...pretty much like a guy. I didn't know any different as I was new to the adult world.

I broke up with my partner, started dating my current mate and we appeared to be a straight couple so I thought I'd play that role out and see what long hair "girlyiness" was all about! People started opening doors for me, men whistled at me as I walked down the street...by no means did I think myself some hot buiscuit but it was definitly different!! I was actually being affirmed in my appearence where as before...no one cared, or would give me negative looks at best.

Going from all the compliments, family support (they REALLY liked my fem look...didn't hide that at all) My mate's expressed that's what she likes...and while I know she doesn't love me less, it's actually really stinkin hard to stand up for me and what *I* want to look like...when I got so much more from being girly! Gotta be me...

hehe. But thank youf or the comments.
Title: Re: How do I read to you?
Post by: no_id on February 27, 2010, 06:00:58 AM
Definitely quite the change. :)
I can figure it can be quite hard to get to 'your look' if you've gone from one extreme to the other (so to say).
Either way, as long as you're on your way gettin' happy in your skin then it doesn't matter where the road goes.

Thanks for sharing the pics.