All over Youtube people seem to be wondering. Im not sure what the current rumour is. But I was wondering if any of you thought she is. And if she is not, why did she do that?- (The concert where she puts her leg over a motorbike and shows what looks like a penis.) People are still looking at it as something she has to defend herself over. Like in one interview when asked if she had a Penis? She replied "My Vagina is offended by that question."
QuoteIn biology, "hermaphrodite" means an organism that has both "male" and "female" sets of reproductive organs (like snails and earthworms). In humans, there are no actual "hermaphrodites" in this sense, although doctors have called people with intersex conditions "hermaphrodites" because intersex bodies do not neatly conform to what doctors define as the "normal" male or female bodies.
We find the word "hermaphrodite" misleading, mythologizing, and stigmatizing. Although some intersex activists do reclaim and use this term to describe themselves, it is not an appropriate term to refer to intersex people in general. In short, snails are the hermaphrodites; humans are not.
Also, please avoid using the word "intersexual" as a noun; we prefer "intersex people" or "people with intersex conditions/experiences."
http://www.intersexinitiative.org/articles/intersex-faq.html (http://www.intersexinitiative.org/articles/intersex-faq.html)
Neither, just biologically female from the start.
Just like what the media said about Richard Gere. Lots of stupidity there, but good for a laugh once in a while.
Just like what the media said about Richard Gere. Lots of stupidity there, but good for a laugh once in a while.
What? The thing about the gerbil, or the vicious rumor that he could act?
I'll say it:
Who cares?
and:
Non of your (ours) damn business!
Well its not like some of her costume/fashion choices don't draw attention to the area - so if she's dressing like that for pay (fortune and fame), then yeah, we can talk about it. Kinda the same way that if you don't want men staring down your blouse all day and talking to your tits, you don't wear something with a plunging low cut neckline.
Sex is a huge part of what she is selling. So it is kinda relevant to the issue.
Seriously? This rumor is as old as my grandmother.
Gaga has said she isn't. I believe her.
I also believe that she went to Convent of the Sacred Heart in New York and the nuns would not want a penis person in that school.
All of this is just a smear to try to get back at her for her outspoken and unabashed support of the gay community.
And its not exactly like the comments on Utube are left by the more literate and informed among the human race either.
I don't listen to her music and scarcely even know what she looks like.
Even my periphery she's almost completely a non-entity to me.
Quote from: tekla on February 27, 2010, 01:04:08 PM
I also believe that she went to Convent of the Sacred Heart in New York and the nuns would not want a penis person in that school.
All of this is just a smear to try to get back at her for her outspoken and unabashed support of the gay community.
And its not exactly like the comments on Utube are left by the more literate and informed among the human race either.
This. Agreed completely.
Quote from: MissAshley on February 27, 2010, 01:04:25 PM
I don't listen to her music and scarcely even know what she looks like.
Even my periphery she's almost completely a non-entity to me.
So why did you post?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDrRJBYJ-fQ# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDrRJBYJ-fQ#)
same song, very different presentation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L53A22tBaMg# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L53A22tBaMg#)
Her bio is very interesting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Gaga (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Gaga)
Now I'm kind of an exception with the people I work with in that I actually like dance music. But even the people who hate dance music who have worked her shows here agree, she's the real deal. It's all her. Her music, her production, her fashion - like Madonna, she is in total control of her career in every aspect.
To date (or at least as of last week) Lady Gaga has posted worldwide for sales of 10,000,054 copies. Fame Monster indeed.
She's worked her ass off for over ten years to get to be the person that everyone is talking about. It's called Fame, and its the most addictive drug you'll ever get close to.
Quote from: tekla on February 27, 2010, 02:30:57 PM
She's worked her ass off for over ten years to get to be the person that everyone is talking about. It's called Fame, and its the most addictive drug you'll ever get close to.
That's the problem right there. The idea that just because someone gets paraded around on tv and elsewhere that people should waste their lives worrying about it. I have an idea: why don't people get a life and....I don't know..actually worry about things that matter. Ya know...things that actually have a direct effect on their lives?
Ya know...things that actually have a direct effect on their lives?
Her shows in the Bay Area this year and last put over $1,200 bucks in my pocket for three days work in total. That's a pretty direct effect.
And to the degree that she is making music, she is creating culture - and we all have a stake in that. And how nice to make money doing something that brings some beauty, some joy, or at least a little dance into people's lives. I'm constantly inspired by people who work hard to achieve what they want and find in life in doing that. That's why I posted the bio, because it's obvious that this is not a flash in the pan deal, and she is hardly a one-hit-wonder overnight success.
Its music, and lots of people here like music to some degree. The two most popular threads at Susan's have to do with a song title game and 'what are you listening to now'.
It's also fashion and people here have an interest in that. And, she is standing up for us. Not a minor deal to me. And I try to support people that support me.
Quote from: tekla on February 27, 2010, 02:43:58 PM
Ya know...things that actually have a direct effect on their lives?
Her shows in the Bay Area this year and last put over $1,200 bucks in my pocket for three days work in total. That's a pretty direct effect.
And to the degree that she is making music, she is creating culture - and we all have a stake in that. And how nice to make money doing something that brings some beauty, some joy, or at least a little dance into people's lives. I'm constantly inspired by people who work hard to achieve what they want and find in life in doing that. That's why I posted the bio, because it's obvious that this is not a flash in the pan deal, and she is hardly a one-hit-wonder overnight success.
Its music, and lots of people here like music to some degree. The two most popular threads at Susan's have to do with a song title game and 'what are you listening to now'.
It's also fashion and people here have an interest in that. And, she is standing up for us. Not a minor deal to me. And I try to support people that support me.
It only effects you in the way that you mentioned because you work in the music industry. "Creating culture?" No. You do know that pop culture is completely disposable, right?
Not all of it. All art was 'pop culture' at it's inception more or less.
I love Lady Gaga, she is amazing and she makes me happy ^_^
Quote from: tekla on February 27, 2010, 02:58:37 PM
Not all of it. All art was 'pop culture' at it's inception more or less.
Okay,not all of it is but a lot of it is.
Quote from: Keroppi on February 27, 2010, 12:50:35 PM
I'll say it:
Who cares?
and:
Non of your (ours) damn business!
Exactly. It's no one's business. The only reason people care is because they are homophobes and fear that being attracted to lady gaga would make them gay; and because people just like drama. People live for drama. So they make big deals of out things that have nothing to do with them just for the sake of entertainment.
Another celebrity I feel bad for is Tiger Woods. Ooooh, he's a sex addict, let's make a BIG FREAKING DEAL ABOUT IT! How about, no. It's not of our business, leave him alone to deal with it and his family.
Oh well, Humanities collective intelligence is slowly dropping, and we will probably blow ourselves up, or worse live like in the movie "idiocracy".
I'd never heard of her or even heard her music and someone asked me about whether or not she was etc. I Thought why should I know? Oh I get it, yeah nah never heard of her and doubt I'll ever hear her music either. And yeah none of my business.. even if I did know/like her music.
Quote from: azSam on February 27, 2010, 06:36:44 PM
Another celebrity I feel bad for is Tiger Woods. Ooooh, he's a sex addict, let's make a BIG FREAKING DEAL ABOUT IT! How about, no. It's not of our business, leave him alone to deal with it and his family.
Well, it's not quite the same there. Tiger has used the good husband / father as part of his image to earn lots of money from endorsements. So in that sense, the fact that he isn't the saint that he portray himself to be is of legitimate interest to the public. Personally though, just play / broadcast some golf already (not that I would actually be watching it :D).
I don't care the slightest bit whether she's trans or IS. I get the impression she doesn't much care whether people think she is, either.
To be clear: I don't care, because either way, she rocks.
Keroppi said:
Well, it's not quite the same there. Tiger has used the good husband / father as part of his image to earn lots of money from endorsements. So in that sense, the fact that he isn't the saint that he portray himself to be is of legitimate interest to the public.
Are you suggesting there is truth in advertising :o
As an open question has anyone ever bought anything because it was endorsed by a 'celebrity'.
I was thinking should I go out and buy a TAG watch because Tiger wears one (Mmm wonder what he has been timing >:-))
Seems to me that a lot of these endorsments are a rip off.
As for Lady Ga Ga, easy; if anyone asked me if I had a penis or a vagina or would say yes :laugh:
Cindy
To the degree that in show biz, the only thing worse than being talked about, is not being talked about - really, so long as your not caught with live boy scouts or dead girl scouts - then it's all good.
And since fame runs on publicity like a car runs on gas, you have to give her props. She's got people talking about her who don't even know her work, hell, they don't even know her, but they are talking about her.
And of course, she agrees with most of you.
The Fame Monster Lyrics
I can't help myself
I'm addicted to a life of material
It's some kind of joke
I'm obsessively opposed to the typical
All we care about is runway models
Cadillacs and liquor bottles
Give me something I wanna be
Retro glamor Hollywood, yes, we live for the
Fame, doin' it for the fame
'Cause we wanna live the life of the rich and famous
Fame, doin' it for the fame
'Cause we gotta taste for champagne and endless fortune
Fame, fame, baby, the fame, fame
We live for the fame, fame, baby, the fame, fame
Isn't it a shame, shame, baby? A shame, shame
In it for the fame, fame, baby, the fame, fame
I can see myself in the movies
With my picture in the city lights
Photograph, oh my mind and whatever else
You'd like to shoot you decide
All we care about is pornographic girls
On film and body plastic
Give me something I wanna see
Television and hot blonds in odd positions
Fame, doin' it for the fame
'Cause we wanna live the life of the rich and famous
Fame, doin' it for the fame
'Cause we gotta taste for champagne and endless fortune
Fame, fame, baby, the fame, fame
We live for the fame, fame, baby, the fame, fame
Isn't it a shame, shame, baby? A shame, shame
In it for the fame, fame, baby, the fame, fame
Don't ask me how or why
But I'm gonna make it happen this time
My teenage dream tonight
Yeah, I'm gonna make it happen this time
'Cause we gotta taste for champagne and endless fortune
I <3 Lady GaGa!
Quote from: CindyJames on February 28, 2010, 01:56:46 AM
As an open question has anyone ever bought anything because it was endorsed by a 'celebrity'.
Bart Simpson sold me sooooo many Butterfingers. . .
. . .Okay, that's not true. I preferred Baby Ruth's when I was little (and before I ever saw The Goonies).
If she was, based on what I've seen of her and the public persona she's built for herself, wouldn't she just come out and say it? It's not like it would hurt her career at this point, in fact it would probably make her more famous. She seems to be treating the entire thing as a joke, and her background doesn't back it up. If she was trans, she would have had to transition at a very early age. Being intersexed is slightly more plausible, but I don't think she would hide it if she was.
Also, don't we not use the word hermaphrodite around here? That was my understanding anyway.
Quote from: aerosolchild on February 28, 2010, 10:33:40 AM
Also, don't we not use the word hermaphrodite around here? That was my understanding anyway.
That's what I thought too.
I also agree that her being IS is more plausible than her being TG/TS, but really I wouldn't want someone to speculate about me so why speculate about someone else, even if they are a celebrity?
why speculate about someone else, even if they are a celebrity
Well because they asked for it. Fame has a price and it's pretty high, but so too are the rewards according to many.
The real funny part is I think that stuff comes in part from a feeling that Lady G must be a guy in some way, because women can't have that kind of talent, drive, and savvy. (Madonna, who also got some of this crap, was in the same boat.) The only way to explain her success is to think that she has to be a man in reality.
Nope!
I love GaGa :police:. She's FIERCE!!
Most speculation about celebrities amounts to policing some social boundary, in this case, gender norms. Of course it doesn't make a difference to her. But it does to me, which is why I really appreciate the way she brushes it off or even encourages it. She denies not the accusation, but the implicit assumption that there's something wrong with being trans or IS.
Quote from: tekla on February 28, 2010, 02:45:39 PM
The real funny part is I think that stuff comes in part from a feeling that Lady G must be a guy in some way, because women can't have that kind of talent, drive, and savvy. (Madonna, who also got some of this crap, was in the same boat.) The only way to explain her success is to think that she has to be a man in reality.
I think Lady Gaga herself says it best: "When a guy says, 'Oh I ->-bleeped-<-ed all these chicks this week,' there's a high-five and giggling. But when a woman does it and its publicised or she's open about her sexuality or she's free or liberated, it's, 'Oh, she must have a dick.'"
ETA: I kind of love this rumor, to tell the truth. It has spawned some of the best quotes ever as well as prompting Gaga to appear on a magazine cover wearing a strap on. Win.
I'm pretty sure she isn't. Seems like she enjoys messing with the people who are too easily persuaded into believing stupid ->-bleeped-<-. And it probably gets her some publicity, too.
While on the topic of her image, she looked pretty "normal" in high school from the pictures I've seen.
Warning: NSFW!
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/lady-gaga-definitely-a-woman (http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/lady-gaga-definitely-a-woman)
If she is a trans/intersex, I'd definitely take a lesson from her in tucking!
Quote from: Starscrash on February 28, 2010, 11:51:34 PM
Warning: NSFW!
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/lady-gaga-definitely-a-woman (http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/lady-gaga-definitely-a-woman)
If she is a trans/intersex, I'd definitely take a lesson from her in tucking!
Ehh. . . that outfit looks painful to me.
The way that she's been handling the trans/intersex rumors are pretty flippin' awesome.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.whatsonxiamen.com%2Fnews_images%2F17771lady%2520gaga%2520Q%2520magazine.jpg&hash=a2e631ab128de36936bf9a76a986a0fafe2768d9)
Horses are hung like her!
Quote from: aerosolchild on February 28, 2010, 08:42:05 PM
I think Lady Gaga herself says it best: "When a guy says, 'Oh I ->-bleeped-<-ed all these chicks this week,' there's a high-five and giggling. But when a woman does it and its publicised or she's open about her sexuality or she's free or liberated, it's, 'Oh, she must have a dick.'"
ETA: I kind of love this rumor, to tell the truth. It has spawned some of the best quotes ever as well as prompting Gaga to appear on a magazine cover wearing a strap on. Win.
I cannot stand pop music, period, but she is clearly very creative and talented, in charge of her whole production, and she's got great outfits. Her music is basically just boring electropop, but worse things have happened (i.e. Britney Spears' entire career).
And yes, you're right. These rumors are, as has been said, about policing boundaries, and those are boundaries over which she confidently steps.
I LOVE Lady Gaga. I got a teddy bear from my mom for SRS and named her Lady Gaga.
I love the fact that people think that she is a transsexual or intersexed or [insert here]
I love that she brushed it off by wearing a dildo on the cover of a magazine. I love that she's herself and it's awesome.
Having finished her tour, which concluded with sold out shows at the O2 in London Lady Gaga went out to dinner. Well, you really need to see the pictures.
The star, who last night entered the restaurant wearing a see-through plastic dress and a silver lobster headpiece is reportedly losing thousands on the sell-out tour because of the expensive set and costume changes.
Then again, as her debut album sales hit 10 milion , should she really be worried?
http://www.ok.co.uk/celebnews/view/19134/Lady-Gaga-finishes-London-tour-with-a-lobster-/ (http://www.ok.co.uk/celebnews/view/19134/Lady-Gaga-finishes-London-tour-with-a-lobster-/)
ROCK LOBSTER!
So bizarre, but fun to watch.
You will probably find that the one's who are transsexual are far less obvious and are the one's you would never in a million years think were transsexual.
You will probably find that the one's who are transsexual are far less obvious
I live in San Francisco, and while that is true for some, perhaps even true for most - there are some pretty huge exceptions. New York too.
Quote from: tekla on March 01, 2010, 02:01:08 PM
You will probably find that the one's who are transsexual are far less obvious
I live in San Francisco, and while that is true for some, perhaps even true for most - there are some pretty huge exceptions. New York too.
I meant celebrities! lady ga go isn't but the one's you think couldn't possibly be...might be!