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I think the concept of 2 genders has become rather stale.

I think a new concept is in order. Here are the 12 NEW genders:

Gender 1 - Straight man: Straight male/masculine gay male. Can only wear makeup during performances or concerts.

Gender 2 - Gay man: Feminine gay male (wears makeup, but not to look like a girl, extremely flamboyant and dresses like a homosexual male)/cute shy male (usually androgenous or cute, not neccesarily straight or gay

Gender 3 - Metro man: Feminine gay male (wears makeup, looks like a girl), can either be straight or gay, does not neccesarily act femine or masculine

Gender 4 - Transgirl: Pre-op Male to Female transexual

Gender 5 - Hermaphrodite: Has an intersexed condition, the most obvious would be both male and female genitilia, but can also refer to a post op transexual

Gender 6 - Transman: Pre-op Female to Male transexual

Gender 7 - Tomboy: Girl that looks androgenous and is most likely a lesbian

Gender 8 - Woman: Just a regular woman

Gender 9 - Alien: an alien from outerspace

Gender 10 - Mutant: a lifeform which can change its life-form at will

Gender 11 - Hive Queen

Gender 12 - Androgyne

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My gender isn't found on your list.

Which one is your gender?

There's more genders and much more expressions of gender.

Gennee  

Woman: Just a regular woman

There is nothing 'just' about any woman.

And were are the Dykes on Bikes?  The Lipstick Lezs?  But - like a lot of people - you are confusing sexual tastes with gender.

 ??? ??? ??? ???

Androgyny either falls into gender 2 or gender 7. Lipstick Lezs fall into gender 8. I fall into gender 11, king pimps HIVE QUEEN.

Quote from: JillEclipse on March 12, 2010, 06:41:18 PM
Androgyny either falls into gender 2 or gender 7. Lipstick Lezs fall into gender 8. I fall into gender 11, king pimps.

Quote from: JillEclipse
Gender 2 - Gay man: Feminine gay male (wears makeup, but not to look like a girl, extremely flamboyant and dresses like a homosexual male)/cute shy male (usually androgenous or cute, not neccesarily straight or gay

Gender 7 - Tomboy: Girl that looks androgenous and is most likely a lesbian

So my choices are #2, or #7. Hmmmmmm.....

#2. Prerequiite is to be a gay man..... or to be a cute and shy male.... that one's out. Must be #7 then.

#7 seems to require a vagina. Nope.

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QuoteAnd were are the Dykes on Bikes?  The Lipstick Lezs?  But - like a lot of people - you are confusing sexual tastes with gender.

Totally agreeing with Tekla on this one.....I think you need to look at this a little differently ??? There's a heck of a lot more than what is here, and a lot of these appear to play off of stereotypes to me....

Four mainly in my book.

Straight male

Straight female

Bisexual either gender

Pre and post transgender/transsexual. :)

->-bleeped-<-

Still only 2 genders really?

Okay I've updated my gender to "Hive Queen" status.

I have been the "Mistress of the Dark" for a long time.  ;D

Quote from: Janet Lynn on March 12, 2010, 08:36:03 PM
I have been the "Mistress of the Dark" for a long time.  ;D

rofl

I told you .......  >:-)

Quote from: Janet Lynn on March 12, 2010, 08:36:03 PM
I have been the "Mistress of the Dark" for a long time.  ;D

That is a funny one Janet :D

Quote from: JillEclipse on March 12, 2010, 03:47:50 PM
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Gender 5 - Hermaphrodite: Has an intersexed condition, the most obvious would be both male and female genitilia, but can also refer to a post op transexual

Gender 6 - Transman: Pre-op Female to Male transexual
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Seriously?  Those are my choices as a transman?  Plus "hermaphrodite" is an archaic, offensive term.  When I'm post-op, I won't become intersex.  I wasn't born with ambiguous genitalia.

Quote from: Adio on March 12, 2010, 08:49:50 PM
Seriously?  Those are my choices as a transman?  Plus "hermaphrodite" is an archaic, offensive term.  When I'm post-op, I won't become intersex.  I wasn't born with ambiguous genitalia.

Hermaphrodite is not an offensive term. It simply means having both female and male genitilia. If the surgery went successfully then you could qualify for gender 1, 2 or 3.

Quote from: JillEclipse on March 12, 2010, 09:16:48 PM
Hermaphrodite is not an offensive term. It simply means having both female and male genitilia. If the surgery went successfully then you could qualify for gender 1, 2 or 3.

I'm going to let someone who is actually IS handle this one.

hey i go by wikipedia and wikipedia does not lie.

Quote from: JillEclipse on March 12, 2010, 09:16:48 PM
Hermaphrodite is not an offensive term. It simply means having both female and male genitilia. If the surgery went successfully then you could qualify for gender 1, 2 or 3.

I doubt you've asked them... Yes they are often offended by such a term.

I find this classification scheme alittle distasteful. You know the pepole here are making fun of you right?

I see myself as Female, My body and society disagree they say male. And it hurts alot, The description for this is GID thus I was faced with an impossibly cruel choice. Become Transgender or keep the status quo,

Transgender is a mountain, Lonely, Slow, Expensive, Alienating, Painful, Imperfect, And Life-threateningly dangerous. I'd pick nearly anything else over this but there really was no other choice. Keeping the status quo is just postponing this one choice.

I'm Female ->-bleeped-<- is just my road home I won't and don't want to be anything else.

Quote from: pebbles on March 12, 2010, 10:14:11 PM
I doubt you've asked them... Yes they are often offended by such a term.

I find this classification scheme alittle distasteful. You know the pepole here are making fun of you right?

I see myself as Female, My body and society disagree they say male. And it hurts alot, The description for this is GID thus I was faced with an impossibly cruel choice. Become Transgender or keep the status quo,

Transgender is a mountain, Lonely, Slow, Expensive, Alienating, Painful, Imperfect, And Life-threateningly dangerous. I'd pick nearly anything else over this but there really was no other choice. Keeping the status quo is just postponing this one choice.

I'm Female ->-bleeped-<- is just my road home I won't and don't want to be anything else.

Well you are gender 4 then.

I don't see why the word hermaphrodite is an insult. There are hermaphrodites out there who see themselves as women. There are hermaphrodites who are proud of who they are. Call the ones who want to be women women. Call the ones who are not ashamed, hermaphrodites.

Making fun of me? Why bless my buttons...how could you? Really? How could you?

It is not really an accepted definition here.  See https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,54369.msg337984.html#msg337984 (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,54369.msg337984.html#msg337984)

Especially the very last sentence.

Quote from: Janet Lynn on March 12, 2010, 10:33:24 PM
It is not really an accepted definition here.  See https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,54369.msg337984.html#msg337984 (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,54369.msg337984.html#msg337984)

Especially the very last sentence.

I must say I have to agree with this Janet, even though the term is listed in the dictionary.

As mentioned in the terminology here:

'Intersexual: a person born with the full or partial sex organs of both sexes; with underdeveloped or ambiguous sex organs; a sex chromosome karyotype other than XX or XY; or sex hormone receptor problems which prevent normal absorption of Estrogen or Androgens. Intersexual persons may seek to make their body as congruent as possible with the preferred sex through surgery and hormone treatments. '

And so are the seven words you can't say on Television, but we don't allow them ether.

If you don't know what they are Google it.  ;D

Heres the thing. If I was a hermaphrodite I would not mind being called a hermaphrodite. I don't get why people are ashamed of who they are. there is nothing wrong with being intersexed.

Quote from: Janet Lynn on March 12, 2010, 10:44:46 PM
And so are the seven words you can't say on Television, but we don't allow them ether.

If you don't know what they are Google it.  ;D

I can't talk about DJ's Pissin' Passin' Packer?  :P

And I've definitely heard the ladies (and some of the men) talk about number 7. :laugh:

Quote from: JillEclipse on March 12, 2010, 10:50:53 PM
Heres the thing. If I was a hermaphrodite I would not mind being called a hermaphrodite. I don't get why people are ashamed of who they are. there is nothing wrong with being intersexed.

I think you're missing the point (and I'm beating a dead horse  ::)).  It's not that someone is ashamed necessarily.  It's that the term is wrong.  You said it yourself.  "there is nothing wrong with being intersexed."  Intersexed (or rather, intersex, but that's an entirely different ballgame) being the key word.

Correct me if I'm wrong those of you who actually are IS, but it's not being ashamed to be have the condition.  It's having a problem with the term "hermaphrodite" used to describe it.  Intersex is the proper term.

Granted, some people do have dysphoria related to being IS/TG/TS/etc.  Some are ashamed.  But not all are.

Quote from: JillEclipse on March 12, 2010, 09:44:58 PM
hey i go by wikipedia and wikipedia does not lie.

wikipedia is mutable by anyone with a computer and is often wrong. Wikipedia is not god like and all knowing by any means and if you believe that you are....



I will shut up now.

Oh my server.... I really hope this is satire :laugh:

There comes a point where new "catagories" end up further dividing people rather than being a tool of inclusion - dispite the often well meaning attempt by the catagory maker.

I am a man. Not all men are just like me, and that's ok. I am secure enough that I don't mind sharing my gender-space with people who experiance and project it in different ways. I appreciate the diversity, I share a loose connection with people I otherwise would share nothing with.

I don't think the answer to whatever the issue this is trying to fix is in "more genders". How many genders will we need to include everyone? 20? 50? ~7 billion? Yeahnah. Someone is always going to fall outside catagories. I think it's how we handle that as a society is what can make the most positive difference.

Regarding the "genders" in the OP, even if sexuality and gender were related who would define what is a feminine or butch? When does "fast talking" become too fast? At what exact point does a female become a tomboy? What do you do about culture (or even fashion) changes over time?

Culture defines those abstract concepts. Culture changes, both over geography and over time.

The binary may be an inadequate description of the range of human gender, but at least they tried to use some sort of scientific, unbiased, objective, culturally and chronologically independant system behind it.

Well as someone who prior to SRS was intersexed PAIS, although Ironically I didn't actually know it until afterwards, I have to say that whilst I don't think the term Hermaphrodite is exactly offensive it is a rather archaic and not a terribly helpful description. Yes it is historically the original term... but that certainly doesn't mean it is the best description of a condition which has many more different causes and types than you have genders listed.

We are simply NOT all the same. Someone PAIS is quite different from CAIS who will be different again from someone with CAH or aromatase excess.

But to return to your 12 genders - why stop at 12? My basic feeling is this idea is hugely over complicated. Gender is a spectrum and peoples gender expression is almost continually variable. Sure there are some comonalities - but do we really need names for them all? For the life of me I have never been able to understand the mentality which has to label everything so precisely.

In any case for many people gender is continually fluid and will vary according to how they feel, who they are with, what they are doing etc.

So I really don't care what irrelevant gender someone else is, or indeed I am. All I'm interested in is whether we get on or not, and whether I feel comfortable in the situation.

And while we are about it, and forgive for asking, but what in all creation is a hive queen supposed to be when it's at home?  ::) I'm afraid it just sounds like a scifi alien fantasy to me...

teknoir

I think the whole thing is a bit of satire.

JillEclipse has a rather 'wicked' sense of humour really. But like most with such a sense of humour, s/he means well and is probably quite smart.

Quote from: spacial on March 13, 2010, 03:27:50 AM
I think the whole thing is a bit of satire.

Given the whole Hive Queen / Mutant / Alien thing the thought had crossed my mind.

But you know... you can never be 100% sure given the diversity of people on the internet :laugh:.

Quote from: Teknoir on March 13, 2010, 03:52:50 AM
Given the whole Hive Queen / Mutant / Alien thing the thought had crossed my mind.

But you know... you can never be 100% sure given the diversity of people on the internet :laugh:.

Possibly.

But on a site like this, where people post a number of times, we can usually get an idea of who people are.

I getthe feeling that JillEclipse is basically a nice, friendly sort, stuck at home, (all been there!!!) and a bit of a tease, though well meaning.

I love these conversations. Where else can one go for such banter? lol. Honestly, some of us are more sensitive than others. I find it easier to think of gender from a biological pov. There are XX, XY and other than. lol. Why are there no YY's? Wait - are there?  I think the rest may be genetic inheritance and the individual's society in which they are reared (environment). I still say society is where the problems arise. In attempting to encompass all such "genders" we overlook the basics. How we wish to be treated, what our preferences, in life (not just sexual preferences), are,  even if we choose to marry or to be parents, has only as much to do with gender as we decide it does! (Yay for the revolution!) And in future generations we may all simply be seen as people. We would all be included and accepted for who we are. Wow, no uniqueness, noone unusual, void of shock value - that could actully be rather boring. IDK just a thought...

Classification scheme is ridiculous, and original poster is probably a troll.

Quote from: PanoramaIsland on March 13, 2010, 05:19:35 PM
Classification scheme is ridiculous, and original poster is probably a troll.

Well you know how Jareth (David Bowie) is the Goblin King? Well, I guess that makes me the Troll King. (Being the Demon King didn't really work out, the demons weren't gay enough and it ended up being pretty awkward.)

I find the idea that we can fit into categories offensive.  I know that hermaphrodite is an offensive term.  I find this thread offensive.  We are all trying to get along together here.

Please read Rule 10 in a broad way:

Quote from: Susan on July 27, 2006, 07:45:44 PM
Every one is welcome at Susan's Place if you follow a few basic rules: This site is an open support area and is not generally sexually oriented. This site is for the discussion of issues related to gender and may include Transsexualism, Transvestism, Crossdressing, or other related topics. This web site exists try to provide constructive input and support.

10. Bashing or flaming of any individuals or groups is not acceptable behavior on this web site and will not be tolerated in the slightest for any reason.  This includes but is not limited to:

• Advocating the separation or exclusion of one or more group from under the Transgender umbrella term
• Suggesting or claiming that one segment or sub-segment of our community is more legitimate, deserving, or more real than any others

Thread closed. :police:

- Kate