Has anyone did this procedure, or heard any good results from it?
I am somewhat interested in it.... but then I am worried it will bring poor results.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLGv5Bkrs7w&feature=related# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLGv5Bkrs7w&feature=related#)
Quote from: Megan on April 12, 2010, 11:07:00 PM
Has anyone did this procedure, or heard any good results from it?
I am somewhat interested in it.... but then I am worried it will bring poor results.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLGv5Bkrs7w&feature=related# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLGv5Bkrs7w&feature=related#)
That's obviously a joke video by an actor. In the "before" video s/he's doign a gilbert godfried impression. In other videos, you can here hir real voice and it is neither the before nor the after voice.
Quote from: glendagladwitch on April 12, 2010, 11:17:47 PM
That's obviously a joke video by an actor. In the "before" video s/he's doign a gilbert godfried impression. In other videos, you can here hir real voice and it is neither the before nor the after voice.
Eh, sorry then, I just search up the vocal surgery and this one was the only one I could find on youtube.
I just search her up though and she is a transsexual.
http://transgriot.blogspot.com/2009/02/jessica-after-ffs.html (http://transgriot.blogspot.com/2009/02/jessica-after-ffs.html)
If that isn't a joke I feel very sorry for her.
She sounds like she swallowed a bunch of helium after having her throat scraped.
I think that most people have been disappointed with the results. But you should really use the search function to find the threads and read them for yourself.
A acquaintance of mine had voice surgery, and while she sounds fine, I achieved similar results with voice training. There are different surgical techniques though, and some may work better than others.
Quote from: Megan on April 12, 2010, 11:07:00 PM
Has anyone did this procedure, or heard any good results from it?
I am somewhat interested in it.... but then I am worried it will bring poor results.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLGv5Bkrs7w&feature=related# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLGv5Bkrs7w&feature=related#)
Here's the short version of a long discussion ... vocal surgery used to be a major risk that produced very unreliable results. Now the best throat surgeons can do excellent work ... BUT ... it is no substitute for proper voice training and surgery will only achieve the desired results if it is done after/as well as voice training, not instead of it ... AND ... as lots of girls will testify, voice training can make such a major difference by itself that surgery may well not be necessary.
God forbid you ever get a voice like the girl in the video ... whether she's joking (which I hope for her sake she is), or not ...
i think it's not that dangerous . but i know you have a perfect voice , i mean seriously i don't think you need it , you voice is better than most GG's
Quote from: Lia on April 13, 2010, 08:41:38 AM
i think it's not that dangerous . but i know you have a perfect voice , i mean seriously i don't think you need it , you voice is better than most GG's
Lol, just curious how would you 'know' that?
omg , so sorry ,it must be the wrong meghan then *blush*
the other meghan i heard her voice on youtube , she had no vocal cord surgeries and i saw a lot of others got it by training . anyway for myself i'm going to keep training untill it's close to perfect and i would have the sergory if i really really had too . i mean it's not that dangerouse although everything has it's risks , but again what's life without risks lol
anyway , sorry for the misunderstanding , really imbarrassed here :)
Unfortunitely the video clip is exactely how I've heard other people's voices sound who have had that surgery. :o
It would be interesting to hear from someone who has had the surgery and it actually worked and sounds normal?
most voice altering surgery techs only alter the pitch and not resonance or harmonics that distinguish between sexes. Dr thomas (portland, or) has a better tech but it isn't perfect, or cheap (7-8k).
(I'm going to ignore the video, obviously a spoof)
I've talked to a few doctors about vocal cord surgery (VCS). I have yet to hear anyone speak positively about it. One doctor, a highly respected surgeon, said he had performed several at the request of his patients, even though he warned them the outcome was questionable. After a while he simply refused to do any more. He wasn't at all happy with the outcome.
Another doctor said VCS will cut the lower range but not add anything on the top range, thereby giving you maybe half the range you have now. I've never heard the voice of a post op VCS patient. I've never heard anyone speak well of it. So, even though my voice could use the help, I've stayed away from it.
I had the Femlar that Dr. Thomas does. Went back later and had the THE that he also does. Made this web page. It has some clips from some others too. One is a result with just the THE. Dr. Thomas also has a bunch of voice clips of before and after results on his website at voicedoctor.net
http://p11.hostingprod.com/@glendagladwitch.com/Pre_And_Post_Short_List.html (http://p11.hostingprod.com/@glendagladwitch.com/Pre_And_Post_Short_List.html)
Dr. Thomas' voice clips are here:
http://www.voicedoctor.net/media/cases/pitch/index.html (http://www.voicedoctor.net/media/cases/pitch/index.html)
I'm on the verge of adding CTA, because my chords, though shorter, lack tension. If I push up on the bottom of my thyroid cartilage my voice goes up beautifully, so I think it might be a good option. Dr. Thomas doesn't like CTA because, he says, sometimes the chords stretch afterwards to the point you wind up with no real pitch increase, and less voice control capability, or something like that.
I think your voice sounds great and soft.
Shows that this kind of surgery is really good.
Edit: After looking at the pitch graph I noticed that the pitch was really low, like 170. what's with that?
Quote from: Myself on April 15, 2010, 01:41:03 AM
I think your voice sounds great and soft.
Shows that this kind of surgery is really good.
Edit: After looking at the pitch graph I noticed that the pitch was really low, like 170. what's with that?
170 is still within the female range - albeit at the lower end - and people tend to respond very well to women with soft, low voices (which is what a lot of actresses and TV/radio presenters have) as opposed to high, harsh, squeaky tones.
So for that reason alone, any trans woman who can reach 170 should stop worrying about pitch and concentrate all her efforts on feminine vocal tone, resonance and flexibility. Being able to vary pitch naturally and effortlessly within a sentence, as women do far more than men, is the absolute key to it, IMO.
yeah I know, but I thought when going for a surgery you would go for a more dramatic one.. as I said, still sounds great!
Is that the reason for wanting to do the web surgery? (CTA)
I would try to find someone who is experienced in voice therapy for MTF girls. I am fortunate to live in a city where a university has such a program in their speech therapy department.
Quote from: Myself on April 15, 2010, 01:59:33 PM
yeah I know, but I thought when going for a surgery you would go for a more dramatic one.. as I said, still sounds great!
Is that the reason for wanting to do the web surgery? (CTA)
CTA is not web. Web is when the front of the chords is sewn together to shorten the part of the chords through which air passes. Femlar sometimes results in a web if the front of the chords stretch out after they are shortened.
CTA grabs the lower part of your voice box and hikes it up and sews it in the front to the upper part. In extreme cases, it will pitch a person up permanently into falsetto. It puts tension on the chords by lenghtening and stretching them.
If you think of it like a guitar string, femlar is like trying to fret the string to achieve a higher pitch becaseu of th shorter distance. The only problem is, in some people, the voice box and chords are pliable, like rubber bands, so they may stretch out tand have little tension, so the pitch doesn't go up much or maybe not at all.
CTA is like turning the tuning key to put more tension on the string. Again, thevocal chord may stretch, and then the person can even find themselves locked itno a monotone, without the ability to modulate.
But one of the best voice surgery results I've ever heard is when a woman had CTA, and it stretched, and she was locked into a lowish monotone, and then Dr. Thomas did the Femlar. Maybe there is a benefit to having the chords pre stretched. Maybe they only stretch so much and then you can start getting good results. I asked Dr, Thomas which to try first, and he said to do the Femlar first, and then maybe try the CTA if the Femlar does not work. So here we are. I'm thinking about going to Dr. Mayer for it because he does it while you are awake and you make noises until it gets to the pitch you want and then you signal him to fix it in place there. But then it could stretch and you are stuck . It's risky.
I know it's been posted before, but this might be a good place for someone who has the links handy to post the links to download the free voice analysis software? Or is that against the rules?
http://www.fon.hum.uva.nl/praat/download_win.html (http://www.fon.hum.uva.nl/praat/download_win.html)