I'm wondering how it is for a guy to be with a post op girl? Is it better, tighter? Not as good? Cant tell the difference?
I'm so curious, as i am in to men and intend on having intercourse.
Ladies i know your only speculating but what kind of feed back have you gotten from the men you've been with?
Quote from: Jessica.C on May 25, 2010, 06:34:38 AM
I'm wondering how it is for a guy to be with a post op girl? Is it better, tighter? Not as good? Cant tell the difference?
I'm so curious, as i am in to men and intend on having intercourse.
Ladies i know your only speculating but what kind of feed back have you gotten from the men you've been with?
All my post op friends said, the men can't tell the difference and some gynecologist are fooled till they feel the prostate and there there is no uterus ridges
To the guy, if your super super slow or stick your finger in, they might hint, but not really make sense of it unless they been with 10+ girls then you know its maybe a guy you don't want to sleep with anyways.
I have been with my share of GG's in the past and the ridges is what makes the difference and OH the taste as well! (We will always carry our muskyness taste, while GG's are sweet) now that statement is negotiable since it's not a hard fact.
Back in the 1970's, in the days of "Peace, Love & Rock and Roll", I was with quite a few guys after SRS and only one ever had any suspicions.
Quote from: SaraR on May 25, 2010, 06:42:15 PMI have been with my share of GG's in the past and the ridges is what makes the difference and OH the taste as well! (We will always carry our muskyness taste, while GG's are sweet) now that statement is negotiable since it's not a hard fact.
I disagree with the taste statement. My boyfriend says girls are either "spicy" or "sweet" .... apparently I am "spicy" :o
um spicy/musky same deal im talking about, theres a difference in the sweet taste.
I gather that since I have been using the probiotics containing Lactobacillus Vaginalis that I now taste "right" too (ie sweet) but I'm not about to embarrass anyone by telling you who told me that.
PS - none of my past lovers (both male and female) have ever noticed any major differences, and since my recent cosmetic update I think it would be pretty unlikely that anyone short of a full gynacologist would!
Quote from: rejennyrated on May 25, 2010, 07:11:12 PM
I gather that since I have been using the probiotics containing Lactobacillus Vaginalis that I now taste "right" too (ie sweet) but I'm not about to embarrass anyone by telling you who told me that.
PS - none of my past lovers (both male and female) have ever noticed any major differences, and since my recent cosmetic update I think it would be pretty unlikely that anyone short of a full gynacologist would!
Are those those tablets at a health food store?
Quote from: SaraR on May 25, 2010, 06:42:15 PM
I have been with my share of GG's in the past and the ridges is what makes the difference and OH the taste as well! (We will always carry our muskyness taste, while GG's are sweet) now that statement is negotiable since it's not a hard fact.
Oh Nooooo, :( muskyness taste. That just sounds awful. I hope mines sweet!!!!
ok , i'm not post-op and cuddling is the furthest i've gone in my life . however, when i saw that thread i was surprised , i mean i can't even imagine that a bodily produced fluid could be sweet(?!)
so out of curiosity i called my brother (at 6 am) who had his quiet share with GG's (he never met a post-op though) and he says it's not , he said there's no certain taste of it and it's always different
Well this might be TMI but I was reading this thread and will inform you that I am biologically female and no, it is by no means sweet. It's rather tasteless, not really unpleasant.
Quote from: SaraR on May 25, 2010, 09:11:27 PM
Are those those tablets at a health food store?
NO they are vaginal pessaries at first you use a whole packet day after day - but I've found that then you can ease back to just a couple a week...
I can't claim any credit for this discovery though it was
Gothique11 who put me onto them. They come in seveal brand names.
In the UK they are sold as INTRAFRESH over in the US they are FEMINA FLORA. In Australia / NZ I imagine there will be another name wich you will have to find - Google "Probiotic Vaginal Pessaries"
I was really skeptical when I first heard about it from Gothique - but I tried it and to my amazement it works and works well.
Full details (but possibly not for the squeamish) in this thread https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,68720.0.html (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,68720.0.html)
Quote from: SilverFang on May 25, 2010, 11:51:35 PM
Well this might be TMI but I was reading this thread and will inform you that I am biologically female and no, it is by no means sweet. It's rather tasteless, not really unpleasant.
EDIT - oh yes and without giving TMI and outing him the guy who told me about the taste/smell is Bi and I guess the "sweet" description is just his descripition for "attractive" - also Being Bi myself I know the taste of a healthy Vag - there is also a distinctive but pleasing odour - before I usedthe product the odour of mine, whilst not rank, was never as attractive. Now it is.
After that (Gothique) thread that is so on my list of things to do post-op.
The tastes are definitely real
Also if someone sweated all day... it might not be a good idea to put your face there! Trust me!
Is this FEMINA FLORA something use want to use all the time, on a regular basis? Like as soon as your healed enough to start having intercourse, using it?
Not that i was ever with allot of women. But I think part of the reason i wasn't in a rush to have a vagina for myself was the fact that from what i recall it just smells in general and don't taste too good either. However maybe that's because I just so prefer what a man has down there as apposed to a woman.
priobotics are intervally used. depends on what you get.
Quote from: Jessica.C on May 26, 2010, 08:51:59 AM
Is this FEMINA FLORA something use want to use all the time, on a regular basis? Like as soon as your healed enough to start having intercourse, using it?
Not that i was ever with allot of women. But I think part of the reason i wasn't in a rush to have a vagina for myself was the fact that from what i recall it just smells in general and don't taste too good either. However maybe that's because I just so prefer what a man has down there as apposed to a woman.
Then the women you have been with were rather unhygienic. A woman who takes care of herself physically and keeps herself clean will not have a foul odor and the taste will be barely anything, if at all. Just like a man, what a woman puts into her body will affect the taste and smell of her body secretions. For example, lets look at South Asian people who eat a lot of curries and spicy foods. When they sweat this stuff emanates from their pours. Conversely, a man who ingests nothing but beer, big macs and fries will taste like absolute s**t as well, as would a woman. Much like uncircumcised men, women have to be extra diligent with hygiene--not just relying on one shower a day to get you by. Trust me, if a woman's interests revolve around nothing more than Oprah, The View, bowling, wrestling, drinking and eating garbage, then hygiene is probably the furthest thing from her mind.
I came across the FeminaFlora product a couple of days ago and was curious but reluctant to try it as I did not know if it would be safe to use. After reading Gothique's account of the product, I will more than definitely try this product. Here is a link
http://www.bodyenergyclub.ca/shop/new-roots-femina-flora-10-caps-p-3594.html (http://www.bodyenergyclub.ca/shop/new-roots-femina-flora-10-caps-p-3594.html)
Quote from: Jessica.C on May 25, 2010, 06:34:38 AM
I'm wondering how it is for a guy to be with a post op girl? Is it better, tighter? Not as good? Cant tell the difference?
I'm so curious, as i am in to men and intend on having intercourse.
Ladies i know your only speculating but what kind of feed back have you gotten from the men you've been with?
I'II always remember my very first boyfriend, we where in a relationship when I was preop, he was with me when I had my srs, so he knew my situation, the very first time it hurt, I had a little bleeding, he tolded me at the time it felt like a normal woman, but a little tight, anyway he's married now to somebody else.
Over time as I healed I had intercourse with most of my boyfriends, all of them except 1 couldnd tell the difference, only 1boyfriend was suspicions, he was very big, my vagina couldnd adjust to his size, maybe a GG vagina can, he said at the time it was strange, anyway when he learn I was trans he said that must be the reason, that relationship ended badly, I posted about it in another thread a while back. Big guys don't suit my pussy LOL!
Im engaged to be married to my present boyfriend (fiancé) when I tolded him I was trans he just couldnd believe it, he tolded me he'd never have known if I hadnd tolded him, he can't tell the difference, now I don't know if he's just being super sweet but sometimes it feels better he tells me, it has given me so much confidence as a woman that I can satisfy a guy sexually in that way.
He had a good few girlfriends before me, so he knows, he can compare, he has no complaints, he seems to be very satisfied with my girl down there, he has excepted me as a real woman.
p
Wow Pauline that's awesome. i just last week told this guy I've been talking to and he asked me why would i feel the need to tell, which shocked the hell out of me. I was just shocked that a guy would even say that. I think it was one of those things he'd just assume not know. But I to afraid of discovery.
Quote from: Jessica.C on May 26, 2010, 06:02:34 PM
Wow Pauline that's awesome. i just last week told this guy I've been talking to and he asked me why would i feel the need to tell, which shocked the hell out of me. I was just shocked that a guy would even say that. I think it was one of those things he'd just assume not know. But I to afraid of discovery.
If someone truly loves you, they will love you for who you are.
Quote from: SaraR on May 26, 2010, 06:04:58 PM
If someone truly loves you, they will love you for who you are.
That's very sweet Sara. But I'm starting to think that when it comes to guys they"ll love you for who you are till something better comes along.
Quote from: Jessica.C on May 26, 2010, 07:41:17 PM
That's very sweet Sara. But I'm starting that when it comes to guys they"ll love you for who you are till something better comes along.
not all guys are like that, some stay true to their love!
Quote from: Jessica.C on May 26, 2010, 06:02:34 PM
Wow Pauline that's awesome. i just last week told this guy I've been talking to and he asked me why would i feel the need to tell, which shocked the hell out of me. I was just shocked that a guy would even say that. I think it was one of those things he'd just assume not know. But I to afraid of discovery.
I've had guys say the same EXACT thing. The other most common reaction is to act o.k. with it but seem "distracted" all of the sudden...then stop calling completely 3-7 days later.
Quote from: Jessica.C on May 26, 2010, 07:41:17 PM
That's very sweet Sara. But I'm starting that when it comes to guys they"ll love you for who you are till something better comes along.
If he's a playa forsure and there's lots!
Quote from: SaraR on May 26, 2010, 07:55:13 PM
not all guys are like that, some stay true to their love!
If they love you, some do, maybe ;) lol
I had a very nice boyfriend and we kept it hetero to the sense that no penetration was done. but we were deep in love and when the day arose that he was rubbing my tummy and getting closer I swallowed a bullet and told him, he didnt call me the first day.. then called and said hes ok with it.. but he didnt want to know anything about whats down there.
I agreed I also didnt want to know what was down there, so I kept him happy in other ways etc.. how we broke up is by me breaking up with him, he was really jealous when I would hang out with other guys which have been my friends for years... and im not going to let go good friends that still accepted me after transition after partying with them and literally being naked and jumping off docks @ camp party's.
I incident occured one night I went out asked him to come out he said he was leaving that night to go out of town for his work.. but then he showed up a tthe bar i was talking with my friends.. and instead of coming up to me.. he waits till hes out of town then bitches me out for it.. I told him simply... If you would of came up to me, I would of kissed you so deeply in front of them and introduce you. Instead you were shy and booted..
At that time I had broken up a couple of days being furious.. then i went back with him and said IF ever again! then... recently a couple weeks ago, he did the same thing when I was out with a group of my guy friends and HE said go ahead after asking him do you wanna do anything today then i said if not ill go hang out with X and X and he said no problem.. approx 1 hour later he calls me asking when im coming home, i said probably later tonight he replies "Ok babe" calls me back 20 mins later... and questions me.. then hang up then another 30 mins later on and on for approx 4 hours length time...
When I got home, I said take all your stuff... and leave... goodbye.
Otherwise if it wasnt for his obsessive behavior 7 months into our relationship we would sitll be extremely in love! It's like he wanted me as his territory but was scared to mark it around other guys! I am such a social butterfly, whoever is with me, you have to take the heat or come with me! PERIOD!
He totally was not like that in the beginning, he seemed really cool about everything, I guess you can even say that our 7 month down the road point we were at an extreme love level and that's probably what drove him..
The reason I parted... simply, it can lead to dangerous situations, and I don't want a DejaVu
P.S. approx 90% of the girls in the city wanted him, he was georgous heck he still is georgous.. but bad behavior = no no
Quote from: SaraR on May 26, 2010, 06:04:58 PM
If someone truly loves you, they will love you for who you are.
That's true to an extent- but changing our sex (not our gender) is a big deal to a lot of people, they just can't get past it for a number of reasons.
Guys all taste different; it's the same for girls I'm sure. :)
Quote from: FairyGirl on May 27, 2010, 07:15:47 AM
That's true to an extent- but changing our sex (not our gender) is a big deal to a lot of people, they just can't get past it for a number of reasons.
Your absolutely right Chloe, thats why my present boyfriend Im sure is in love with me, he was attracted to me as a woman, now he knows Im trans, was a bit of a shock to him, but still feels the same, he never knew me when I was a guy which was a very long time ago, he even said to me ''gosh he just can't imagin or see me as a guy'' but a former boyfriend didn't see things that way, I posted about it here https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,41242.msg278947.html#msg278947 (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,41242.msg278947.html#msg278947) so maybe it was a good thing I tolded him I was a transexual woman, I hate that word transexual, nowadays I just see myself as a woman, thats what I see and everybody else sees everyday I get out of bed, regardless of my history, my boyfriend fell in love with this person, Im in love with Him, but it is awesome that he now knows my history and Im so happy that he fully excepts me as a woman.
p
So can ridges be constructed?
So what the heck are "uterus ridges"???
I never encountered a GG who had any "ridges".
I read up on it and I don't know what a uterus ridge is but the vaginal one is so that the vagina can stretch to accommodate a baby or a penis.
Having been with female parts, I have no idea about uterus ridges but the vagina is a lot of ridges in the front side. rough ones at that.
Quote from: LordKAT on May 28, 2010, 02:35:40 PM
Having been with female parts, I have no idea about uterus ridges but the vagina is a lot of ridges in the front side. rough ones at that.
Yeah I'm confused about the uterus thing.By the way I've said this before but have to say I'm in love with Clark Gable.
hey I saw him first! :icon_anger:
Quote from: FairyGirl on May 28, 2010, 05:57:00 PM
hey I saw him first! :icon_anger:
Watch your back,I mean business. ;)
whoa - stand back both of you. Let the old timer how you how it's done ;)
Ps - I honestly thought everyone had rough little ridges in their vag - I certainly have in the first two or three inches or so of mine.
This may be unrealistic but I hope that the surgery will have gotten more advanced within the next three years when I hope to have mine.
lol jenny.
yea the ridges are from the uterus its felt when you inter a finger its a bunch of "bumps"
Quote from: SaraR on May 29, 2010, 03:15:57 AM
yea the ridges are from the uterus its felt when you inter a finger its a bunch of "bumps"
Can't be entirely that cos I haven't go a uterus - but I definitely DO have the ridges...
unless the surgeon was having a joke with me and put them in to worry me up! ;)
Speaking of the devil her self. >:-) hehe
Warning: I get a bit explicit and maybe I get into TMI... I tried to tone it down a some to keep things PG14-ish. Hey, the horns keep my halo up and in place after all! :D
Anyway, your health, diet, etc will affect how you taste. Probiotics help your vagina to be healthy. It's not a requirement, but it can help your vaginal flora in a lot of ways. A healthy vaginal flora is good for you. You don't need to take them every day, as the probiotics will take hold.
There are many things that can affect your vaginal flora (the good bacteria that keeps your vagina healthy inside), such as health, stress, antibiotics, yeast infections, bad bacteria, etc. A healthy vaginal flora will fight off bad bacteria and yeast from taking hold down there - probiotics can boost and support your natural vaginal flora, fighting off the bad stuff. A yeast infection isn't pleasent -- that was my "welcome to womanhood you've now got a vagina" welcome wagon. Oh, yay! I had pretty bad problems for a while, which also induced a lot of bladder infections, causing all kinds of chaos down there. Probiotics made a huge difference with my vaginal health and quality of life. I've only used one bottle, and never needed them since. I have a healthy vagina with healthy vaginal flora -- that fights off yeast infections as well as bladder infections.
As for my sexual experience, before I had SRS I was dating a post-op woman. So, yes, I have sex with a post-op woman using my pre-op parts (aka penis), and I also tasted her. Her vagina tasted slightly sweet, pleasant, and smelled like normal vagina -- actually, one of the best I've ever tasted, to be honest. I've heard that often post-op women have the best tasting pussy. :D (not just from my experience, but from others who have been with post-op women and also from what people have told me what I taste like).
The feeling (with using my male part in her vagina) felt normal, with a slight tightness but not in an uncomfortable way (honestly, the only time I ever really enjoyed sex with the male part). Very, very enjoyable. I've had men who have said similar comments in regards to my post-op vagina - tight, but not too tight, just right. (however, it can be tighter at first if you haven't dilated in a while). I've made men cum pretty quickly, however -- I've had several comments about how they usually take a much longer time and with me it's boom. In my experience with my ex-gf, I never really orgasmed with other women, except for a couple of times after a long, long, tiring time. With my ex, it was much faster and more enjoyable... it was the best sex I had pre-op.
You have a lot of muscle control down there, and when you orgasm you have the same contractions as a natal woman during orgasm. The first few times having sex are a bit awkward, 'cause you basically need to re-learn sex. Relaxation is key.
With your fingers down there, it will feel smother inside -- although over time the inside feels more like a natal woman's inside. Most don't notice at all. You will also have a g-spot, which is in the same spot as a natal woman's is.
I have had sex with men and women who didn't notice any difference with me vs another women. (Side note: Every vagina is different, post-op or natal, and post-op is nearly or identical to the typical range of vagina out there... basically, you have nothing to worry about that someone will find your post-op vagina off or unusual vs the other vaginas out there... and in ranges of pussy, a lot of post-op women are on the premium side of the range of pussy. )
Also, a penis will adjust to your vagina, so bottoming out isn't much of an issue. It can happen, but it also happens with a lot of natal women as well. You may feel the penis as it hits the end, and at first, it might feel uncomfortable, strange, or a slight pressure -- then you get used to it, it doesn't hurt, and in fact, it feels real good.
As times goes on, you'll find that your post-op vagina will also stretch and mold like a natal woman's vagina -- after, it slowly goes back and gets a bit tighter. That's the same for all women, although. With a post-op vagina, however, there's a bit of an advantage in that although sex and dilation makes it looser, it goes back into shape faster. Some women seem to be very loose, which can be genetics, having children, or other factors... usually exercising the pelvic floor muscles help it go back into shape (kegel exercises). Kegel exercises are also very good for post-op women as well as natal women. Kegals not only affect your vaginal health and performance, it also affects your bladder (in a good way).
You will self-lube, but the amount of lube can vary, just like in other women. Diet, medications, stress and your health can all affect your lube. There have been times when I didn't need any; however, I enjoy a small amount of lube. There's nothing wrong with that, a lot of women use lube and find it more comfortable. It really varies, some women are crazy wet and some are not. I've dated natal women drier than I am, and needed copious amounts of lube for comfort and enjoyment. I would say that I'm average in terms of self-lubing (so was my ex). Some days I get more wet, other times not so much -- again, diet, stress, medication, etc affect down there a lot... lube, taste, all that... same goes for all women, post-op or natal.
In conclusion, post-op pussy rocks and was the best I ever had and now have. :D
*gothique11* >:-)
Footnote: My SRS was performed by Dr. Brassard; my ex had her's done my Dr Mannard of the same clinic, about a year before I had mine... I started dating her a couple months before my SRS. After that, I had a lot of confidence about going to Montreal for my SRS. I can't vouch for other surgeons and their results, since I haven't experienced it; although, I'm sure a competent surgeon will have similar results - a wonderful vagina that rocks this world!
Sweet post!
UTI's are not cool at all!
Quote from: gothique11 on May 29, 2010, 04:30:12 AM
(Side note: Every vagina is different, post-op or natal, and post-op is nearly or identical to the typical range of vagina out there... basically, you have nothing to worry about that someone will find your post-op vagina off or unusual vs the other vagina's out there... and in ranges of pussy, a lot of post-op women are on the premium side of the range of pussy. )
Very good to know!!! But what about scars?? I'm quite sure worthy of its own topic.
By the way i agree with Sara fantastic post Gothique!! Thanks
Thank you for the reassurances Natalie, it's really nice of you to share your experience :)
Quote from: Valeriedances on May 29, 2010, 11:03:05 AM
I'm concerned about the scars too. Mine are very visible right now.
The only way to breakdown scar tissue is to massage it however unfortunately people that scar easy.. will not look pretty in the end (like me)
When I scar, I get white bumps, instead of flat and barely noticable.
You can always say you had an hysrectomy(sp?)
Quote from: gothique11 on May 29, 2010, 04:30:12 AM
Speaking of the devil her self. >:-) hehe
Warning: I get a bit explicit and maybe I get into TMI... I tried to tone it down a some to keep things PG14-ish. Hey, the horns keep my halo up and in place after all! :D
Anyway, your health, diet, etc will affect how you taste. Probiotics help your vagina to be healthy. It's not a requirement, but it can help your vaginal flora in a lot of ways. A healthy vaginal flora is good for you. You don't need to take them every day, as the probiotics will take hold.
There are many things that can affect your vaginal flora (the good bacteria that keeps your vagina healthy inside), such as health, stress, antibiotics, yeast infections, bad bacteria, etc. A healthy vaginal flora will fight off bad bacteria and yeast from taking hold down there - probiotics can boost and support your natural vaginal flora, fighting off the bad stuff. A yeast infection isn't pleasent -- that was my "welcome to womanhood you've now got a vagina" welcome wagon. Oh, yay! I had pretty bad problems for a while, which also induced a lot of bladder infections, causing all kinds of chaos down there. Probiotics made a huge difference with my vaginal health and quality of life. I've only used one bottle, and never needed them since. I have a healthy vagina with healthy vaginal flora -- that fights off yeast infections as well as bladder infections.
As for my sexual experience, before I had SRS I was dating a post-op woman. So, yes, I have sex with a post-op woman using my pre-op parts (aka penis), and I also tasted her. Her vagina tasted slightly sweet, pleasant, and smelled like normal vagina -- actually, one of the best I've ever tasted, to be honest. I've heard that often post-op women have the best tasting pussy. :D (not just from my experience, but from others who have been with post-op women and also from what people have told me what I taste like).
The feeling (with using my male part in her vagina) felt normal, with a slight tightness but not in an uncomfortable way (honestly, the only time I ever really enjoyed sex with the male part). Very, very enjoyable. I've had men who have said similar comments in regards to my post-op vagina - tight, but not too tight, just right. (however, it can be tighter at first if you haven't dilated in a while). I've made men cum pretty quickly, however -- I've had several comments about how they usually take a much longer time and with me it's boom. In my experience with my ex-gf, I never really orgasmed with other women, except for a couple of times after a long, long, tiring time. With my ex, it was much faster and more enjoyable... it was the best sex I had pre-op.
You have a lot of muscle control down there, and when you orgasm you have the same contractions as a natal woman during orgasm. The first few times having sex are a bit awkward, 'cause you basically need to re-learn sex. Relaxation is key.
With your fingers down there, it will feel smother inside -- although over time the inside feels more like a natal woman's inside. Most don't notice at all. You will also have a g-spot, which is in the same spot as a natal woman's is.
I have had sex with men and women who didn't notice any difference with me vs another women. (Side note: Every vagina is different, post-op or natal, and post-op is nearly or identical to the typical range of vagina out there... basically, you have nothing to worry about that someone will find your post-op vagina off or unusual vs the other vaginas out there... and in ranges of pussy, a lot of post-op women are on the premium side of the range of pussy. )
Also, a penis will adjust to your vagina, so bottoming out isn't much of an issue. It can happen, but it also happens with a lot of natal women as well. You may feel the penis as it hits the end, and at first, it might feel uncomfortable, strange, or a slight pressure -- then you get used to it, it doesn't hurt, and in fact, it feels real good.
As times goes on, you'll find that your post-op vagina will also stretch and mold like a natal woman's vagina -- after, it slowly goes back and gets a bit tighter. That's the same for all women, although. With a post-op vagina, however, there's a bit of an advantage in that although sex and dilation makes it looser, it goes back into shape faster. Some women seem to be very loose, which can be genetics, having children, or other factors... usually exercising the pelvic floor muscles help it go back into shape (kegel exercises). Kegel exercises are also very good for post-op women as well as natal women. Kegals not only affect your vaginal health and performance, it also affects your bladder (in a good way).
You will self-lube, but the amount of lube can vary, just like in other women. Diet, medications, stress and your health can all affect your lube. There have been times when I didn't need any; however, I enjoy a small amount of lube. There's nothing wrong with that, a lot of women use lube and find it more comfortable. It really varies, some women are crazy wet and some are not. I've dated natal women drier than I am, and needed copious amounts of lube for comfort and enjoyment. I would say that I'm average in terms of self-lubing (so was my ex). Some days I get more wet, other times not so much -- again, diet, stress, medication, etc affect down there a lot... lube, taste, all that... same goes for all women, post-op or natal.
In conclusion, post-op pussy rocks and was the best I ever had and now have. :D
*gothique11* >:-)
Footnote: My SRS was performed by Dr. Brassard; my ex had her's done my Dr Mannard of the same clinic, about a year before I had mine... I started dating her a couple months before my SRS. After that, I had a lot of confidence about going to Montreal for my SRS. I can't vouch for other surgeons and their results, since I haven't experienced it; although, I'm sure a competent surgeon will have similar results - a wonderful vagina that rocks this world!
Did you have any scars?
Quote from: Valeriedances on May 29, 2010, 06:43:21 PM
Well, there are too super long scars that run vertically on each side of the vagina, it looks like Frankenstein, eek. I've heard they fade in time and hair helps covers them.
I make it sound worse than it is, but they are very visible right now. My endo just had to examine me to see the result and she was amazed. She said Brassard is brilliant, she was so impressed. She went on and on at how incredible it is. She tried to reassure me that the scars will fade.
I just hope my guy, whoever he is when we meet, is impressed too.
Which in return makes me happy that ill be a brassard graduate very very soon! 3 more months and a couple of days.. I can say that in 3 months ill be in Montreal.
the scars will fade over time. Mine aren't very visible, but if you are looking for them you'll see them. I have a small dimple on each side, too, which no one seems to mind. Dr. Brassard said he can get rid of them if I wanted via a small surgery.
Taking care of your scars early on will help them not look as bad. I picked at one (bad) on one side and it's slightly bigger than the other side. So, take care of them. Dr. Brassard suggests massaging them, too, to break down the scar tissue. I put a little vitamin e on them too, which can help soften, flatten, and break them down.
I'm also about 2 years post op -- it took me a year or so before the scars started to fade.
If the scars are bad, there are things you can do to fix them up. Over all, there's just the two on the side, but not horrible looking and no one seems to notice. Over time they just blended in. They are pretty small.
You'll notice all of the tiny things more than others will.
Quote from: gothique11 on May 30, 2010, 12:11:07 AM
the scars will fade over time. Mine aren't very visible, but if you are looking for them you'll see them. I have a small dimple on each side, too, which no one seems to mind. Dr. Brassard said he can get rid of them if I wanted via a small surgery.
Taking care of your scars early on will help them not look as bad. I picked at one (bad) on one side and it's slightly bigger than the other side. So, take care of them. Dr. Brassard suggests massaging them, too, to break down the scar tissue. I put a little vitamin e on them too, which can help soften, flatten, and break them down.
I'm also about 2 years post op -- it took me a year or so before the scars started to fade.
If the scars are bad, there are things you can do to fix them up. Over all, there's just the two on the side, but not horrible looking and no one seems to notice. Over time they just blended in. They are pretty small.
You'll notice all of the tiny things more than others will.
Awesome, I massaged my Breast Augmentation scars, you can barely notice them as of today (1 year, 4 months post op)
That was so helpful Natalie :)
And for those of you concerned I will second everything she says. 26 years and one revision later you honestly wouldn't know unless you were a Gynacologist.
Quote from: Valeriedances on May 29, 2010, 06:43:21 PM
... it looks like Frankenstein ...
Well, at five weeks post it would.
When they say that it takes a year to heal, they mean it.
You may have "knots" at the top of the two main incisions that feel like internal hard spots.
It may take a long time for these to loosen up.
Changes occur exponentially decreasing.
You will see changes in your second year of healing.
Wow, great thread, thank you to everyone that contributed. Bookmarked, some action items from this to follow up on.
*huggs*,
Melan
I will say that a string of, how shall we say, less than clean pussy made me think that I didn't like going down on girls and actually made me question my entire sexuality for a while.
My current girlfriend is obsessively clean after a guy told her he didn't like the way she tasted/smelled. So she very seldom has any smell, and the only taste is really the familiar slightly tin taste of the soft skin inside the vagina - which is what the first vajayjay I ever went down on tasted like.
The scent my girl does have occasionally, however, is absolutely delightful. It smells like pretty much any other hormonally charged part of her body, except slightly muskier - but it's all very, very faint. I honestly wouldn't mind if it were stronger, because I really, really love the way she smells. :3
Awwww Pauline =)
I'll have to look up that freshly flora stuff.
*goes and looks at the thread*
late to this but, re scars - there are lotions and such marketed as for the reduction of scars, no idea if the work.
also, isn't there a laser procedure that claims to reduce scaring?
I've had severel deep surgeries for srs and accident repair and I have to say that the only one that left a nasty scar has been one that was closed with inside dissolving stitched and some brown glue stuff outside...now its a raised up red scar. all the ones that were closed with outside dissolving stitches have faded and blended in.
Doctor has prescribed Betnovate cream once a day so I daub a thick layer of that on at night but I can't see any improvement from it.
I had a one-stage op back in 1992....probably not a state-of-art Mary Jane by today's standards....
And then I didn't have my first serious b/f till at least a year or two later....
But the first chap, I lost my virginity too never made any mention of any difference.... but then always wore condoms as he was paranoid about being cornered into being a Dad....lol
(He was a masters level competition level swimmer so uber fit)....lol
Though at the time I was in my early thirties...
All the men I've ever slept with....and no....(not that many), but more than just a few lets say....have always dated me presumably because they liked me first and foremost as a person...?
Not because I'm an ever-ready sex toy....?
I've never had any complaints.... and I had relationships that have been long-term 6 years plus in one case...
Sex is not about component parts.... for me. And with a man it has to be part of a wider view....mutually fulfilling relationship.....
Though early on I would concede I did sleep around a tad more casually (but still STD carefully).... as there is a gaining confidence element for sure...
But the point being even with surgery from back then.... dating men successfully has never been an issue for me....
My problem is how I'm going to get around the 6 weeks break that's looming for me ::)....lol
When I get back from the US...
I can't wait to use that probiotic stuff.
And when it comes to scars....
My advice for both body and vaginal scars:
If you have scars that are raised and coloured pink (it could mean you are still healing) or darker than your own skin colour, you can have a few sessions of laser treatments, it tends to help flatten the scar and settle the discoloration/pigmentation.
If you have indented or pale/white scars, you can have "Multitrepannic Collagen Actuation" (MCA) or "dry needling" method.
It does promote collagen stimulation, it helps the scars soften and regain some natural pigment. If the natural pigment does not return, a skilled cosmetic tattoo specialist can perform scar camouflage by implanting the right pigments in.
:-*
I can't remember how bad ma scars were first time around (18+yrs ago).... as none show now....
This time around I thought I might try this to see if it does help with the settling down process...
ScarFX http://www.scarheal.com/?gclid=CLT5vdWNpaMCFYeY2AodPD9m3g (http://www.scarheal.com/?gclid=CLT5vdWNpaMCFYeY2AodPD9m3g)
So will report back how i get on with it!
I use organic coconut oil on my vagina before sex. Pure organic unrefined coconut oil has healing properties in it and each man that has performed oral sex on my doesn't understand WHY my vagina tastes so good. I just smile and move on. i put it all over my vagina and anus and massage it in and they think i am being extra wet also.
just a hint
Quote from: missyzanta on September 29, 2010, 03:47:23 PM
I use organic coconut oil on my vagina before sex. Pure organic unrefined coconut oil has healing properties in it and each man that has performed oral sex on my doesn't understand WHY my vagina tastes so good. I just smile and move on. i put it all over my vagina and anus and massage it in and they think i am being extra wet also.
just a hint
I hope you douche all the sugars out afterward? It would seem to be a walking yeast infection waiting to happen. But otherwise sounds like fun! :)
I slept with a guy for several years before I had surgery. He was against me going to Bangkok....
Busy, I didnt see him for 3 months.
Last week, he talked me into "fooling" around. When he took of my panties he leaned in and got a good look. He burst out laughing, which crushed my spirits.
When he lifted his head with a s**t eating grin, he said "It looks sooo real!"
From depressed to happy in a nano second :)
I just had my first post-op sexual encounter today!!! Better than I expected for the first time, but I still had a few nerves. Quite a relief, as I waited over a year since surgery to do so.
I asked the guy afterwards and he said that it felt pretty normal, only a little tighter, but of course that was a good thing. We both got what we wanted and needed from the experience.
Watch out world . . . .here I come....
hmm i hope that its good for the guy. i hope its just as good as the real thing ;)
I can't wait ...I will let you know In bout a yr or so lol
Wow this post was interesting reading for me...Thanks so much! I am out in the dark about alot of this. I have only had one partner for over 35 years. Thanks to *gothique11* for the more detail...makes for some interesting reading and so so informative. I am person who is inquisitive by nature and I have lots of questions! Thanks all!
Amelia
Hi, I'm new here and wasnt around when this post was "live".
Just wanted to say that recently I had the pleasure, and that doesnt come near to describing it adequately, to make love with my MtF friend whom I have befriended and fallen for. It was without doubt the finest act of lovemaking I have ever experienced. But my point really is this had nothing to do with the fact that she was post op. The reason it was so good was because we both wanted each other so much and love each other so much. It was the first time for my friend and it was an amazing night. Love making between 2 people who want each other and love and respect each other will always be good.
Quote from: ponty on December 12, 2010, 05:06:09 PM
Hi, I'm new here and wasnt around when this post was "live".
Just wanted to say that recently I had the pleasure, and that doesnt come near to describing it adequately, to make love with my MtF friend whom I have befriended and fallen for. It was without doubt the finest act of lovemaking I have ever experienced. But my point really is this had nothing to do with the fact that she was post op. The reason it was so good was because we both wanted each other so much and love each other so much. It was the first time for my friend and it was an amazing night. Love making between 2 people who want each other and love and respect each other will always be good.
That's really nice ponty. Really pleased for you both.
This is a really interesting thread... something my friend and I have wondering about for a long time.
Her and I have each had mixed reactions... While I have not experienced the variety of men that she has (I've only been with one man since being post-op)... her and I both have felt this sensation during sex that the man is hitting the "back wall" in a way. She mentioned to me once that a man said she felt "shallow"... though she has some depth problems. My boyfriend said he never felt any difference with me.
As far as smell and taste goes... WELL, after the first time he gave me cunnilingus he mentioned "That was a very unique experience"... I nervously asked "Why??" and he said "Well, you're very well-kempt down there... Every girl has a different taste or smell but your smell is very unique from theirs. you almost don't have any scent at all"... He's only been with genetic females before so I assume that perhaps the scent might be different from many genetic girls. In the past I've definitely had some very "female odors" but since my new cleansing regime it hasn't returned.... as long as he likes it i guess that's what counts, right?
I can say that I enjoy sex with my wife. I can't say either of us has tons of experience to compare with others (I'm glad we're each other's first partners - we met when we were both over 30), nor would I want to. I just can't see how that is relevant for our relationship.
We both wanted a long-term relationship when we met, so people who are looking for something else may do different things. But she told me about her history before we even started dating - something I think is wise; if a guy is that shallow, do you really want to marry him? I suspect it's a good way of weeding out the ugly [in personality, not body] men. So I really had no idea what to expect in bed the first time we did things, nor did she. We were honest with each other, talked frankly about what was fun for each of us, and were willing to find out what we liked and didn't with each other - without putting pressure on each other. And if we need to do anything different, that's fine too - I would think that's true with everyone, not just post-operative people - not everyone is going to enjoy every activity, nor is everyone going to be pleasured the most through the same technique.
My biggest concern - and hers - was whether or not things would be painful. So we took it easy at first. I would never have wanted to hurt her (I can think of no bigger turn-off), and didn't want her to think that the only way I could be happy was typical penetration if that wasn't equally enjoyable for her. If typical penetration didn't work out, I'm sure we would have found other ways of enjoying each other, because, when you love someone, you care about their enjoyment as much as you care about your own.
I can say that I very much enjoy going to bed with my wife, and to answer the initial question: it's great for this guy! The biggest reason I enjoy it is not anything physical (although I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy the physical!) - but rather because this is a woman I have a deep connection with, who I love, and who loves me. She makes me feel attractive, and I hope she knows I think she's hot.
I'd also say that guys can enjoy the foreplay too. The longer we stay aroused before the "big event", the bigger that event is. :)
Quote from: Sophie Laurette on December 13, 2010, 10:43:33 AM
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In the past I've definitely had some very "female odors" but since my new cleansing regime it hasn't returned....
Hi Sophie,
Can you describe your cleansing routine? (if not too personal).....
I'm still trying to find that right balance of douching vs not, and diet and procedures. It's such a hard place to find.
^^
I've seen a lot lately to the effect that in almost all cases, doucheing was a bad idea.
Is it different for us than for natals?
also, on an unrelated note:
"...he first time he gave me cunnilingus ..."
Why in the heck is it that the correct word for oral sex (both of them) are so blastedly hard to spell?!!?!!?
-bangs her head against the keyboard! Omgoodies! I cant wait till im post op and healed :((((((
Quote from: RoseBlossom on January 01, 2011, 09:56:17 PM
-bangs her head against the keyboard! Omgoodies! I cant wait till im post op and healed :((((((
>:-) >:-) ;D ;D ;D ;D :eusa_dance: :icon_biggrin: :icon_biggrin: :icon_biggrin: :icon_biggrin: :icon_biggrin: :icon_dance:I KNOW IM A HOT MESS WAITING OH YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Lmpao yesss!!
Quote from: SaraR on May 30, 2010, 12:56:57 AM
Awesome, I massaged my Breast Augmentation scars, you can barely notice them as of today (1 year, 4 months post op)
You don't have the physical scars from the past...
...and your mental scars from the bad ex who lied to you? ;-)
Quote from: pretty pauline on May 26, 2010, 05:18:07 PM
Im engaged to be married to my present boyfriend (fiancé) when I tolded him I was trans he just couldnd believe it, he tolded me he'd never have known if I hadnd tolded him, he can't tell the difference, now I don't know if he's just being super sweet but sometimes it feels better he tells me, it has given me so much confidence as a woman that I can satisfy a guy sexually in that way.
Aww that made me cry a little! I love hearing about sweet guys like that.
I embarrassed my boss when I told him I plan on putting an odometer on mine. Zero miles out of the gate lets see if we can turn that sucker over.
Quote from: Jessica.C on May 25, 2010, 06:34:38 AM
I'm wondering how it is for a guy to be with a post op girl? Is it better, tighter? Not as good? Cant tell the difference?
I'm so curious, as i am in to men and intend on having intercourse.
Ladies i know your only speculating but what kind of feed back have you gotten from the men you've been with?
Well here i am some 10 months later from the time i started this topic and 4 1/2 months Post-Op.
Now i can finally answer my own question....
Pretty Damn Good!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D
Thank You Dr Brassard!!!!!
How is it for the guy? Having been inactive for awhile I couldn't answer that, but that has changed in the last 6 weeks ;D
My boyfriend just can't get enough ::) - which is good because my appetites are quite healthy LOL! He says I am 'tight' but not overly so - "enjoyably so". The only problem is that after spending weekends together we are BOTH very short on sleep ;)
I'm still learning here and this question is in no way meant to be offensive. Using the typical penis inversion technique where would this moisture/self lubrication be coming from? I don't see how hormones/surgery would turn the penis skin into a mucous membrane.
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Quote from: http://changing.health.officelive.com/neovagina.aspxNeo-vaginal Lining Becomes Indistinguishable from "Normal" Vaginal Tissue
by M. Italiano
Recent attempts at vaginoplasty for transsexuals have utilized a variety of techniques, including split-thickness and full-thickness skin grafts, penile inversion procedures, and sigmoid-colon methods.
Although the advantages and disadvantages of each continue to be debated, many stated advantages are clearly exaggerated or are erroneous. For instance, Masters and Johnson's (1966) pioneering work on the artificially-constructed vagina clearly demonstrates that "the method of creating an artificial vaginal barrel is incidental, since the functional reaction patterns of artificial vaginas are identical regardless of how they are constituted" (p.101) This statement includes behavior during arousal and orgasm as well as lubrication, a subject steeped in controversy.
Some surgeons opt for the use of sigmoid-colon methods in the belief that this provides an advantage of lubrication secreted by colon mucosa. Other surgeons employ mucosal flaps from the urethra to supplement penile inversion for the purpose of providing lubrication. They believe lubrication can't be achieved by the use of skin grafts or penile inversion. This is untrue.
There is much to be learned from non-transsexual women who have had surgery for "inadequate" vaginas. From months to sometimes years after skin grafting, the graft loses all of its skin properties and adapts to its environment, becoming a mucosa which takes on "the exact cytology, gross and microscopic, of a normal vagina" (Sherfey, 1973). Masters and Johnson state, "Suffice it to say that on the basis of pure cytologic evaluation, it is impossible to differentiate the epithelial cells taken from the artificial vaginas of Subject 'A' (when under the influence of adequate hormonal replacement) or Subject 'B' from those of a normal vaginal mucosal smear" (Masters & Johnson, 1961, p. 203).
Some surgeons disagree, stating that the tissue is not mucosa, but only resembles mucosa. They are only partially correct, since the normal female vaginal tissue is not truly mucosa either. It is called mucosa only because it lines a body passageway. It contains no mucous-secreting glands (Fawcett, et. al., 1995). That is why lubrication is a transudate phenomenon, the source being dilation of the capillaries that surround the barrel and the subsequent squeezing out of fluid through the vaginal walls, which in normal and artificially constructed vaginas have been shown to be a functioning two-way membrane. (Masters & Johnson, 1966). Although Masters & Johnson note that production of lubrication usually takes longer in the artificial vagina, they also showed that some artificial vaginas are capable of lubricating as well and as rapidly as any normally constituted vaginal barrel and that two of their patients had "lubricated, in fact, more effectively than many women with normally constituted vaginas" (Masters & Johnson, 1966).
Pierce ET. al. (1956) demonstrated the conversion of skin to vaginal epithelium, which after twenty years, included normal vaginal PH levels, complete loss of hair, complete loss of pigment, complete loss of sweat glands, and normal vaginal epithelial glycogen levels. They proposed, "the process is not one of metaplasia, for no new cell types are produced. Rather, there is alteration of existing cell layers and the loss of the skin organs." (p.6)
Those post-operative male-to-female transsexuals who amuse themselves with the peculiar statement that they still have a penis, but that it's just turned inside-out should note that not only do they not have a penis, but they don't even have skin of the penis any more. The histology of the tissue has changed. It also responds to hormones in an identical way as does a normal vagina, with "cyclic cornification and mucification" (Sherfey, 1973). The presence of ovaries is not a necessity. For instance, "The estrogenic and early luteal effects demonstrated by Subject 'A' are obvious, and serve as a clinical indication of adequate steroid replacement in this surgically castrated female" (Masters & Johnson, 1966, p. 203).
More impressive is a recent report by Alessandrescu et. al. (1996), who did biopsies on twelve artificially constructed vaginas and found an epithelial structure identical to that of a normal vagina. Two examples are shown in the form of pictures using electron microscopy.
Although it may be suggested that transsexuals may respond differently than non-transsexual females with regard to the results of vaginoplasty, it is my opinion that the burden of proof that this is the case rests with the surgeons who employ such procedures as colon usage and mucosal flaps for the purposes they intend. Since the nature of their work is clinical and generally not investigative, they should at least advise their patients that future study may be necessary before the value of their technique can be substantiated.
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Alesandrescu, D., et. al. (1996). Neocolpopoiesis with split-thickness skin graft as a surgical treatment of vaginal agenesis: Retrospective review of 201 cases. American Journal of Obstetrics & Gynecology, 174(1), 131-138.
Fawcett, D.W., et. al. (1994). Textbook of histology (12th ed.). New York: Chapman & Hall.
Masters, W.H. & Johnson, V.W. (1961, May-June). The artificial vagina: Anatomic, physiologic, psychosexual function. Western Journal of Surgery, Obstetrics, & Gynecology,69,192-212.
Pierce, G.W., et. al. (1956, July). Changes in skin flap of a constructed vagina due to environment. American Journal of Surgery, 92,4-8.
Sherfey, M. (1973). The nature and evolution of female sexuality. New York: Random House.
GREAT ARTICLE !!!! VERY INFORMATIVE FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT AWARE .... ;)