I am sorry to admit but I caught my self judging a perfectly innocent girl. I was at the gas station fueling up and went in to get the receipt. In front of me, in line, stood this 6'1'' silhouette of a girl bit on the muscular end but with all curves in the proper order. She was wearing long summer dress and high heels, nothing out of ordinary, but I started to scrutinize her appearance wanting to glimpse onto her face to determine TG or GG. She felt different, I was scanning from head to toe and finally got to see her face. Nothing gave in to the TG label, she was all as far as I can tell an honest girl, real, genetic. But I kept on scanning for something which would give her away. She paid and grabbed a case of Budweiser beer which she was paying for, I said, Aha, got ya! Budweiser and a case at that, you got to be a bloke. But she wasn't. Perfectly womanly woman, way taller than norm going about her business buying some beer which she likes. But look at me, I am suppose to be the one who is non judgmental, who doesn't look into book covers to decipher context. I caught my self doing what nature build in as a "default software". Every day we do it to judge obstacles, danger, direction, friend or phony, genetic or trans. If I was capable of scrutinizing this way what about all the others less tolerant and familiar with our condition. It really made me depressed and angry.
Yep, judgment. It goes on all around us each and every day. I'm surprised at all those who know me that don't really know me all
I have done the same thing. I don't think it is out of the ordinary.
Why should it matter if she was or wasn't TG or GG? I don't know what I would have thought in the same situation.
Quote from: Hurtfulsplash on May 29, 2010, 08:21:52 PM
Why should it matter if she was or wasn't TG or GG? I don't know what I would have thought in the same situation.
Exactly. I've had it done to me and I feel very uncomfortable if someone is scrutinizing me. Some people think the observed person doesn't know they're being watched, but we do.
I am aware and afraid of this ancient mechanism. It manifests itself regardless of our position the only remarkable potential lie in how we interpret the outcome. I for instance if found her to be TG would love to chat and find out about her, but I am afraid for most spectators survival basics 101 kick in and "Warning-Different-not good" spurs resentment. I think that is why we our selves are so keen on the transformation to fully achieve passability, it is our subconscious understanding of how and why this mechanism work and only through full assimilation can we escape the witch hunt.
I do that sometimes. I guess I do it because I've never met another MtF RL and I'm just curious.
I was in the supermarket, and I see someone who is clearly highly ambiguous presentation. They are abit older in there 40 to 50's they are quite short and rather fat. they clearly have facial hair and what look like biker tattoos , Yet despite this they have long hair in a high girly ponytail style with a hairclip pushing a long fringe out of there face and have boobs much larger than someone of there girth would expect and are wearing feminine clothes.
After pondering it abit just shrugged and thought that I can't really detect a TS person any-more than anyone else. They could just as easily be a woman with PCOS, Or a man who has some kind of endocrine problem.
Another time I noted one of the female dancers in a music video I was watching had very masculine bone structure with occipital brow bossing and a square chin, This was further compounded when I saw there body and they were quite broad rather tall had small breasts and a very conformal waist shape.
A woman could acquire those mannish characteristics through begin extremely sensitive to Testosterones but normally If you respond sharply to T you will almost certainly respond sharply to E a woman's dominant hormone aswell... But her body shape dosen't reflect that. After thinking about it I again shrugged the only thing it changed in me was to nudge me towards thinking that I would use FFS at some point. Brow bossing is truly a very strong male character which can lead to you begin read if you can't offset it with other feminine elements which I shouldn't expect to appear.
If I found the person to be like me, I would have liked to talk to them too, but on the other side, would feel uncomfortable being scrutinized. I guess it's human nature to wonder.
I would like to hear from anyone who has actually approached another person who is presumed to be tg while they are going about their daily business and asked?
I mean, in a social setting it may be considered, like at a bar or a club, and even then it would be stepping over the line to ask a stranger if they are tg. So has anyone done this and what kind of response did you receive?
Quote from: Hermione01 on May 29, 2010, 10:18:55 PM
I would like to hear from anyone who has actually approached another person who is presumed to be tg while they are going about their daily business and asked?
I mean, in a social setting it may be considered, like at a bar or a club, and even then it would be stepping over the line to ask a stranger if they are tg. So has anyone done this and what kind of response did you receive?
Two possible outcomes to that, either you just told somebody they don't pass very well, or you just told a girl she looks mannish. Either way it's
insulting.
Quote from: Jen on May 29, 2010, 10:28:14 PM
Two possible outcomes to that, either you just told somebody they don't pass very well, or you just told a girl she looks mannish. Either way it's
insulting.
I agree. :) I asked because I've read posts like this before and wonder if anyone has actually got the gall to do it. >:(
I wouldn't be able to approach a person about this, at least someone I didn't know well.
Maybe sometimes people just need to talk to someone in common, but I agree saying it outright is off putting. And there is always the chance that they made a mistake.
At first (reading the title) I thought this might be a thread about my sister :laugh: >:-) :laugh:
Although I live in a rather religious area that is not very accepting of trans people... There is a fair amount of GG women in my height range (6'2")
Some are very fem. and pretty... others... well... are not. But they are all rather proud women and hey, who am I to judge anyone anyway?
But yeah, there have been a couple of times I have wondered... GG or TG?
But then again, just about everywhere I go folks are judging me in one way or another
In any case, I don't feel it's my job or place to judge others
Yeah, I have found myself judging what other girls are waring, and how they look. In all honesty, I believe it is normal behavior and to top it off, Genetic Girls do it all the time, it's just what we do. lol