Heey all, sorry for this topic :P
I used the search function but it would not work :(
Ok, the question is, How do you tuck? I can't honestly do it, I tried last night and it hurt quite badly!
Any info would be awesome.
F***ing tucks, how do they work?
Mostly it comes from wearing panties that are a half to a size too small, and is aided greatly by the shrinkage or removal of the testes. Testes shrink on HRT (no fluid, shrink. Wish mine would shrink more.)
You push them back up into the abdomenal cavity on either side of the penis, where they came from, and pull the penis back, while pulling your underwear up in a way to support them. The band of my panties is typically not too far above where the shaft starts, to apply pressure to hold stuff in. But i couldn't tuck until I was off testosterone for several months.
To me, using two pairs of thongs works the best. I have a speciality gaff (purchased for like $35 online... rip off price) that actually works the best of anything now that i've gained enough weight for it to fit snuggly, but you could probably get cheaper from a dance supply store. Male dancers wear them.
It takes a bit of practice but as Autumn said push the testes back into the canal they descended from, it may be partially closed so you may have to work on it. After a shower is a good time as your body is relaxed. After pushing them in fold the penis backwards between them. Some people fold any extra scrotal tissue over the shaft, then pull up a gaff or tight panties. If it hurts stop. I tuck all the time with this strange and probably non-scientific idea that the increased temperature of the testes will destroy them. Keep on dreaming I suppose :laugh:
Cindy :laugh:
I'm sure some can, but for me, it just doesn't work. I'm far too small. If I try, it hurts for a while then pops out.
If, like me, you're more shaped like a small tennis ball, then use a pad.
It contours your middle and makes you feel good.
It's easier when you start HRT. you need to be ummm not aroused. :embarrassed:
Push Testes into body gently, pull back..., pull one size too small panties up tight, put on second pair of panties to get that smooth look.
If you just started tucking pain is to be expected at first, if it continues though please consult your doctor, cause I'm not one. :)
It should get easier and easier.
It is one of the advantages of having an Orchie, tucking is much more easier. :D
But once the twin shrink some they will go up where they will be hidden. Try laying down. It does help.
Quote from: Autumn on June 06, 2010, 12:34:03 AM
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You push them back up into the abdomenal cavity on either side of the penis, where they came from, and pull the penis back, while pulling your underwear up in a way to support them...
I've tried this and it's extremely uncomfortable when they get pushed into their cavities. Is that normal?
This subject has always eluded me so I just stopped trying and only wear things that don't require tucking like skirts, sweats, or looser jeans.
It will get better with Spiro as the twins shrink.
When I first started tucking it would hurt and the testes would pop out :o
But as mentioned, over time it didn't hurt and became easier...
Now the testes rarely ever pop out, even when I go potty and I usually just have to re-tuck one of them and put the penis clitoris in place
So not only has it become easier, it's also quicker :icon_chick:
There are variations is the male anatomy so things might not work out for everyone.
If you have any sort of tendency to get aroused, even slightly, then tucking could suddenly become very uncomfortable. It might look a little odd if some nice, well dressed woman suddenly bent over.
You need to use your imagination and try different things. If you have a hang up with pads then try to get over it.
As i've gotten older I tend to leak a bit. But I used pads before that. Properly sited, they look fine.
the cavity - inguinal canal - is only big enough to take the thick cord of tube/veins etc...the testicle came through the cavities when you were little..they ain't supposed to go back up there so obviously it will probbaly hurt..but all bodies vary anyway.
body heat won't kill them but just makes the sperm weak.
last Thursday I had a double operation to mend an inguinal hernia - intestine was pushing through the canal - and also remove the other testicle. I was ecpecting surgeon to make a small slit down side of scrotum to remove the testicle and another small incision to do a keyhole repair of the hernia as shown on telly..
OMG! I take the dressing off to see just one massive incison in lower abdomen about 4 inches long. He must have made such a big one to reach in and drag the testicle up and out.
It has been agony
I also find tucking rather uncomfortable. I'm hoping that'll change with hormone treatment, though.
Also, lilacwoman, I am so sorry to hear that. I hope you recover quickly, that sounds so awful. :[
yeah, this is something i have been having trouble with, but im a persistant girl, i guess i will figure it out eventually, ill need to before going full time.
Ouch on the surgery there, I hope it all will work out.
If you get control top pantyhose you can cut the legs out and it makes a pretty decent gaffe. I used this for a while but then realized as others stated you can use two pairs of panties. Now I don't make an effort to tuck. It seems it is just automatic now. Just pull panties up and I am tucked!
I don't really think about it any more. it hurt a bit to start with, but now it's fine. I'll go with what's already been said with the two pairs of underwear...works just fine for me.
I must say that I find this topic completely fascinating. I hope you don't mind me poking my nose in here. ::)
Quote from: Rowan on June 07, 2010, 04:39:56 PM
I must say that I find this topic completely fascinating. I hope you don't mind me poking my nose in here. ::)
Kind of like walking in on your sister taking a bath, isn't it. :D
I did figure out a good method of tucking which I posted on another site under guides for Keeping them tucked.
Very frustrating for most new MtF out there that don't know how to tuck, most of the guides are totally crummy, I personally hated having to touch that part of my body, and so the 99% advertised technique of poking the testes up there was not an option for me. It didn't work anyway.
My method was to pretty much force enough pressure to make the testes move the the spot, then apply the pressure directly on the testes to encourage them to go up.
Worked VERY well, and was very pain free.
Here it is;
QuoteTechnique to help get your testes up inside your body.
This technique is very effective, and once mastered, can be done in under 30 seconds. I personally use this technique as I have found it fast and easy.
Step 1) Grab a pair of panties and put them on. Step 2) Gently grab your package and pull the whole lot back as far as you can, but not to the point that you feel pain. (At this point, your testes should be just before your anus) Step 3) Pull your panties up tight (so there is no excess room and so your junk doesn\'t move) Step 4) Grab your non-preferred hand (I\'m right handed, so I use my left for this part) and place it gently over the whole area. Step 5) Gently apply pressure to the area, starting from your finger tips, (so your testes move up towards your abdomen)
When your testes go up as far as they can with little to no pressure. Apply a bit more pressure using your palm evenly on both testes at the same time. When you start to feel the sensation of being kicked in the balls, apply a little bit less pressure and they will go up there automatically. This is the most comfortable way I have found to put my testes up into my abdomen and recommend it for just about everyone! \\\'\\\'Contributed by SarahM. (08/01/2010)\\\'\\\'
Although, nowdays, I don't bother with tucking unless I have a skirt on. Thankfully my wonder pills (Yeah, they are blue and white, you know what they are) have worked magic on my entire body and mind, and shrunk that disgusting part enough that I can have tight shaped low rise flare jeans in public, not tuck, and get away with it. (I do generally have tight panties on, they do help a lot!)
I don't know blue and white! what are they?
Quote from: Janet Lynn on June 07, 2010, 04:47:46 PM
Kind of like walking in on your sister taking a bath, isn't it. :D
Love that. Sorry Rowan of course you are welcome. I sometime sneak on the guys topics ( OK I'm very well known for not sneaking just going for it).
I suppose one question Rowan may address how much do guys look at girls crotches as compared to how much do girls look at guys? We seem to want the perfect 'clean cut' Guys seem to want to bulge out, virtually anywhere :laugh:
Cindy
If they were like mine, before orchie, blue is Estradiol and white is Spiro.
I dont know if im getting it right. I can get the testes to go inside but they sort of form a bulge at the front of the region rather than disapearing from sight completely. Are they supposed to end up here or actually up in the pelvis?
Yes the pocket is where they end up. A couple pairs of panties or a panty girdle and you are flat.
Quote from: CindyJames on June 08, 2010, 05:06:36 AM
Love that. Sorry Rowan of course you are welcome. I sometime sneak on the guys topics ( OK I'm very well known for not sneaking just going for it).
I suppose one question Rowan may address how much do guys look at girls crotches as compared to how much do girls look at guys? We seem to want the perfect 'clean cut' Guys seem to want to bulge out, virtually anywhere :laugh:
Cindy
Well, I'm sort of oddly fascinated with this topic too, and...not sure I can answer this question in general, but while I don't have any interest in women's crotches, my eyes seem to be instinctively drawn to the hip/pelvis area at least briefly, so it would be hard to miss a major bulge.
Speaking of which, I'm reasonably familiar with my husband's body and I have literally no idea where you ladies are putting all that stuff. The descriptions of shoving things back up inside...*squirm, cringe*...wow. And I have trouble conceiving of panties tight enough to make a difference. So...my condolences and great respect, and I'll stop complaining about binding now!
As far as I can tell... growing up a girl (against my will) most chicks don't stare at chick crotches. I've known them to be paranoid about their own, be it maxi bunching up, or pants doing a weird thing when sitting. As a guy... I really have no idea. I'm not a girl crotch looker as there's not much that interests me in that area.
My guy and I both girl watch together, and never has he gone "Wooo! Look at that girl's perfectly flat crotchal zone!" He has, however pointed out a nice booty to me on many an occasion. We're pretty open with that sort of thing. Pointing out the pretty bits of people.
Now all this is forfeit if I see a girl wandering around in pants that are obviously waaaaay too small and there is a camel toe from hell staring me in the eye.
I really should say crotch a few more times in this post.
Quote from: Rowan on June 08, 2010, 08:19:33 PM
As far as I can tell... growing up a girl (against my will) most chicks don't stare at chick crotches. I've known them to be paranoid about their own, be it maxi bunching up, or pants doing a weird thing when sitting. As a guy... I really have no idea. I'm not a girl crotch looker as there's not much that interests me in that area.
My guy and I both girl watch together, and never has he gone "Wooo! Look at that girl's perfectly flat crotchal zone!" He has, however pointed out a nice booty to me on many an occasion. We're pretty open with that sort of thing. Pointing out the pretty bits of people.
Now all this is forfeit if I see a girl wandering around in pants that are obviously waaaaay too small and there is a camel toe from hell staring me in the eye.
I really should say crotch a few more times in this post.
Speaking for myself - I could care less what other people see in that area of my pants, it's the single biggest point of my dysphoria for me :(
Even if I'm totally by myself with no one else around, if that area doesn't appear flat it triggers a huge amount of anxiety. Even when I was very young before I had any real idea of why I was doing it, I started tucking / covering the area so it wasn't obviously there.
HRT makes it much easier, but I'm thankful that it's never been all that difficult for me to be reasonably flat there. It only gets uncomfortable if I sit down too fast on a hard chair or something. 4 or 5 times of doing that and you learn better :laugh:
Quote from: MGKelly on June 08, 2010, 09:31:15 PM
It only gets uncomfortable if I sit down too fast on a hard chair or something. 4 or 5 times of doing that and you learn better :laugh:
Not to mention that sitting down slowly/at a reasonable pace makes one appear more dainty/demure than that fantastically manly flop/sprawl that got me yelled at as a kid. lol
I tried tucking several times in younger days but ran into many of the common frustrations...
The pain, becoming aroused, things not staying in place... Not satisfied with my appearance
One day while thrift store shopping, I came across a pair of somewhat worn but not worn out pair of Levi's 501 jeans... Wow! In my size no less! ;D
Holding them up for further inspection I noticed that these jeans had obviously been worn by a rather tall woman who wore her jeans rather snug
I thought... "Oh if only my jeans would make that shape"... Then the bells and whistles went off in my head... Right there was my template
It didn't always go perfect, but those "pre-formed" jeans held things in place rather well most of the time
Well, tucking has become much easier now (Mr. Happy rarely ever gets aroused) and years later I still have those jeans and my new jeans make that shape after some wear even though I am still pre-op
Quote from: Rowan on June 08, 2010, 09:48:44 PM
Not to mention that sitting down slowly/at a reasonable pace makes one appear more dainty/demure than that fantastically manly flop/sprawl that got me yelled at as a kid. lol
Rowan! Don't say such things or you'll get booted out of the place! Seriously though I have been booted off lots of UK TS forums for saying that girls have different body language to boys. So its nice to read a former girl stating the obvious.
i only have one testie to realy wory about tucking the other is to small to bother with
I have to agree with not even trying. The pain is just not worth it.
Quote from: Metamorph on June 08, 2010, 11:21:11 AM
I dont know if im getting it right. I can get the testes to go inside but they sort of form a bulge at the front of the region rather than disapearing from sight completely. Are they supposed to end up here or actually up in the pelvis?
Yeah that sounds just about right ^_^
You can visibly see where the testes go when they go into your abdomen by the 2 bulges, after being on hormones for quite some time, they naturally shrink, and with that, they are must less visible. :D
Ok so tucking. I wrote a really long post explaining how I achieve it, and some other girls tell me how they have discovered the same technique to work extremely well for them. Obviously how well endowed you are can also be a determining factor of how well you can tuck. Since I was born rather average, perhaps even less so, I can achieve a good tuck even in a swimming suit.
You can see the original post here: [Link] (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,72158.msg492360.html#msg492360) --- I will copy it here so you don't have to link though.
Note: I edited it some to be a little more explanatory._______________________________________________________________________
QuoteI am also Pre-HRT (But not for long). It takes practice. And after a while you'll get used to the fondling and no longer become aroused. It took me a couple of months to get the technique down. But now that I have it down, I can tuck (comfortably) and even get away with wearing a bikini with no bulge in just a matter of seconds. I also stay tucked 24/7, regardless of clothing choice.
For a while I was trying to do it while laying down. Big mistake. By the time you get it all situated, it gets very hard to put on the panties when your lying down. So give up on that method. The method I use I've named "Toilet Tucking", sounds gross but it works really well. I'm sure someone else came up with it before me, but since I discovered it on my own, I am going to take credit for it.
Before I start there are a couple of things to think about. Where you are tucking your testies up into is called the inguinal canal. The testes have a tendency to reascend back up into the inguinal canal when you are very cold or having intense sexual intercourse. While this may happen, it is still very rare. The inguinal canal can shrink slightly, making it harder for the testes to stay in place. After a couple of weeks of moving the testes in and out as well as keeping them in place, it can become far easier to move them in and keep them in.
6-Step "Toilet Tucking" Process
- 1: Sit on the toilet like you normally would to take care of business. Keep your panties just above your knee, and let the "parts" dangle as they may.
- 2: Put your legs firmly together. The "parts" should be squished between your legs. And very little should be visible at this point.
- 3: Stand up. By this point the "parts" should be pretty much tucked between your legs, except with the 2 rocks have not yet reascended into the inguinal canal.
- 4: To get them to reascend, simply wiggle around a little bit and try to push them up with your legs (or thighs). This might hurt the first couple of times, but once you get the technique down, it doesn't hurt anymore.
- 5: After that, pull up the underwear to lock it all in place.
- 6: To allow it to remain comfortable for hours, reach around back (over your butt), and pull the scrotal skin back over your butt (no joke). Perhaps squat a little bit to get a more thorough "pull-through" of the scrotal skin. It's a weird sensation, but you get used to it.
If you don't pull the skin back it may get caught in the underwear, between the underwear and the legs and start to pinch; after a while it can cause some fairly excruciating pain. I wear fairly tight underwear that is designed for a woman exactly my size, so given that I have those annoying extra parts, they are quite tight. You need them a little tight like that to keep it all secure. And if you tuck properly you will absolutely remain comfortable.
Another tip is to not lean on anything from the front. For instance, when I cook dinner, I have a tendency to lean against the counter from my front. And since my "boys" are right there, I end up smashing them in, and it hurts like holy hell. After a while you don't do it anymore and you don't think about it; but if you do start to tuck more frequently keep that in mind.
I've tried all different types of underwear and here is my experience with the different styles as far as Comfort and Function.
Do use:
These are great all around. They hold everything in place, and remain comfortable.
Another fantastic style. Hold everything in place, and because it rides up higher it may help hold the underwear up. The extra pressures from below encourages the underwear to slip down slightly.
Make sure you buy any of the above style in stretch cotton, because it holds tight. While in standard cotton the threads tend to stretch and it loses it's ability to hold.
Don't Use:
While comfortable at first, I found that my parts tend to jiggle out of the sides of the underwear very frequently. I love boy shorts, but I recommend against using them.
This style may or may not work. They are sort of low, and they may slide down a bit to easy. I don't encourage many people to use these.
I don't think this really needs explaining. Plus they are just kind of uncomfortable anyway.
Like I mentioned above. Standard cotton underwear stretches to much, and ends up losing the ability to hold everything secure.
I don't buy underwear in packs. Like if you go to walmart or target and you can buy a 5 pack of hanes underwear. In just a matter of minutes they will stretch and lose the ability to hold everything in place and they'll stay that way until you wash them where they shrink back down. The stuff I buy is a little bit more expensive and off the rack (usually hanging up in packs of 3). They are still cotton, but more stretchy (like spandex) and hold things far better.
Don't use the "boy shorts" style of panties. In all of my experience, my bits tend to slip out. I really love boy shorts, the way the look and their comfort, but they just don't function. I have tried a butt load of different types too.
Surprisingly, I don't buy or have ever tried a gaff. I thought about it, but I don't feel the need to use one. Thankfully, I was not "endowed" with anything special; and I've gotten my technique down to such a degree that I don't think I'll ever need one.
If you have any questions regarding my method, let me know. I'll be happy to answer. :icon_boxing:
I would like to point out that since I wrote that post, I have started HRT. I am on day 110. ^.^
In addition to popping the testes back up into the body cavity, you can use duct tape. That doesn't necessarily mean taping one thing to another. You can add a piece of duct tape to the penis and fold it over and pull that back like a thong and stick it between the butt cheeks so that it helps keep stuff tucked by friction. Or you can tape it down if you have to wear something revealing.
I don't want to sound perverted or anything but I'm more of a visual learner then reading words, etc., I know obviously; People can't post the tucking process in full pictures in this thread -- But if someone can give me a link or message me somewhere where I can actually see the process that would help.
For me, I'm iffy when it comes to tucking, I can get it somewhat good but sometimes the coal pieces come forward and make a camel toe or a huge bulge and then I feel awkward and then also a lot of times the poker hurts or when I'm done for the day and untuck I notice that it is sore and hurts for a bit.
It comes down to practice. Find the technique that works for you... My "Toilet Tuck" seems to be the technique of choice for a lot of girls, but some people may find something that works better for them.
Quote from: SamanthaFLA on June 11, 2010, 08:11:59 AM
It comes down to practice. Find the technique that works for you... My "Toilet Tuck" seems to be the technique of choice for a lot of girls, but some people may find something that works better for them.
I think it's a grand idea and I actually like it but
my mind can't comprehend it into actions, like reading it, it all makes sense but when I run it through my mind the words don't translate...I'm a visual learner but at the same time I'm a artistic or audio learner but it all depends on the subject and if I have visuals for things I can usually 90% of the time get it done.
For example if you told me to draw a picture of a wolf I wouldn't be able to do it but if you told me key features that the wolf has and then draw them out (Eyes, doggy ears, nose), then I would be like, "Oooh! I get it!" and then I could draw it out, lol...It's hard to explain. :embarrassed:
If you want a visual of the "toilet tuck", start watching some of the early episodes of "Californication." I nearly spit my drink out when the "mangina" showed up on the 65" screen larger than life. Clicky clickyhttp://www.movieline.com/2009/09/5-most-horrifying-images-from-last-nights-californication-premiere.php (http://www.movieline.com/2009/09/5-most-horrifying-images-from-last-nights-californication-premiere.php)
I find that, even though I am not yet on HRT and am fairly well endowed, the toilet tuck works for me with one tiny exception - the testes don't generally descend on their own. I do find it's better to be shaved "down there" else the hair starts causing from friction burns, which really hurts!
Quote from: jill610 on June 11, 2010, 09:06:40 AM
If you want a visual of the "toilet tuck", start watching some of the early episodes of "Californication." I nearly spit my drink out when the "mangina" showed up on the 65" screen larger than life. Clicky clickyhttp://www.movieline.com/2009/09/5-most-horrifying-images-from-last-nights-californication-premiere.php (http://www.movieline.com/2009/09/5-most-horrifying-images-from-last-nights-californication-premiere.php)
I find that, even though I am not yet on HRT and am fairly well endowed, the toilet tuck works for me with one tiny exception - the testes don't generally descend on their own. I do find it's better to be shaved "down there" else the hair starts causing from friction burns, which really hurts!
Ahhhh! My eyes. LOL. Hmmm, it's exactly what I been doing now except for one thing and that's likely why I feel pain -- But now I can fix it! Thanks Jill! :angel:
XD I know but I've never needed to use it. I'm not prone to wearing clothes that require me to tuck it. I wore a skirt once and realized my pants were showing far to much for me to be comfortable.
first you push your testis back inside yourself... Well behind the abdominal wall, Then you take your scrotum wrap it around your penis like a hotdog in a bun.
Then you take that mess and use surgical tape it between your legs.
Hmmm. <_<
Giving this 'toilet tuck' method a go seems to make everything a bit easier. I think it's also about giving your body some natural time to adjust to the somewhat horrific things you're making it do. Your movements might be quite stiff at first, but eventually it'll become rather normal...!
I just tried this technique, lol...Because I'm a dork...The only problem I don't get is when the coco puffs are popped back and you pull back the shaft and pull the panties up -- Why is it in the front the shaft still leaves a little bump! ???
I don't use the wrapping technique. Such as wrapping the scrotum around the penis. I pull the scrotum up past my.... butt crack, honestly covering my anus, like a wedgie. Then I push the penis between my legs.
Blah that all seems so vulgar. Sorry about that.
I wish there was a way for me to visually demonstrate. But I have no drawing skills, and well... I'm not taking pictures =P.
Quote from: SamanthaFLA on June 12, 2010, 01:10:35 PM
I don't use the wrapping technique. Such as wrapping the scrotum around the penis. I pull the scrotum up past my.... butt crack, honestly covering my anus, like a wedgie. Then I push the penis between my legs.
Blah that all seems so vulgar. Sorry about that.
I wish there was a way for me to visually demonstrate. But I have no drawing skills, and well... I'm not taking pictures =P.
Ahahaha! You made me laugh so much. You're crazy!!! xD
I just tucked today using your tip and it's tucking right...But it hurts a little bit -- But I can make it through.
it goes away, so persevere.
Quote from: justme19 on June 05, 2010, 11:59:13 PM
Heey all, sorry for this topic :P
I used the search function but it would not work :(
Ok, the question is, How do you tuck? I can't honestly do it, I tried last night and it hurt quite badly!
Any info would be awesome.
I have read of several ways to tuck, all just a bit different. For me mine just naturally fall into place and without pain. Nice for me and does up my confidence being flat there wearing certain clothes.
You need to find the best method for you and I have seen several related in this thread. Try them out and don't give up ... if that is what you really want to do.
Quote from: Cindy on June 08, 2010, 05:06:36 AM
Love that. Sorry Rowan of course you are welcome. I sometime sneak on the guys topics ( OK I'm very well known for not sneaking just going for it).
I suppose one question Rowan may address how much do guys look at girls crotches as compared to how much do girls look at guys? We seem to want the perfect 'clean cut' Guys seem to want to bulge out, virtually anywhere :laugh:
Cindy
Same goes for me :laugh:
Love, Sarina!