I have some serious dysphoria with my hips knowing that they will never change shape even when i'm on T. I really cant cope with the fact that i cant change them. Is there some sort of operation that changes the pelvic structure and makes it narrower? this is really depressing me, do any of you feel the same way? :( My hips have very little fat on them so fat redistribution will do very little to help :( i just need some hope that i can do something about it because this is really tearing me up inside :'(
Yeah, I know it bothers me too. Nope, just have to get over it. Sorry.
I don't think hormones *shrink* bone structure... sadly.
same issue. my hips are far bigger than my shoulders, even when I'm at a low weight (and i carry most of my body fat above the waist...if you know what i mean >.>)
I know how it feels to feel as if your present build makes it near impossible for transition to be realistic. There are no surgical operations that could help you out in that regard but consider the following. When you go on T, generally the shape that defines your hourglass-ish figure will begin to actually narrow out and your upper muscles will become more prominent. By extension, your hips will gradually lose prominence. Your hips won't change in size but they will change in shape. In my opinion, that can be arguably more important to defining a masculine physique.
As an MTF I think I felt the same way you did before starting [I'm assuming you're early on in transition]. When I lost the upper body muscle prominence my hips seemed so much wider than before. You'll be fine ;). Testosterone is a very powerful hormone.
Quote from: Apricot on June 18, 2010, 09:55:22 AM
I know how it feels to feel as if your present build makes it near impossible for transition to be realistic. There are no surgical operations that could help you out in that regard but consider the following. When you go on T, generally the shape that defines your hourglass-ish figure will begin to actually narrow out and your upper muscles will become more prominent. By extension, your hips will gradually lose prominence. Your hips won't change in size but they will change in shape. In my opinion, that can be arguably more important to defining a masculine physique.
As an MTF I think I felt the same way you did before starting [I'm assuming you're early on in transition]. When I lost the upper body muscle prominence my hips seemed so much wider than before. You'll be fine ;). Testosterone is a very powerful hormone.
thanks for replying, this really helped :]
Something I found on Wiki:
Maybe there is hope of bone structure slightly changing?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormone_replacement_therapy_(female-to-male) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormone_replacement_therapy_(female-to-male))
Bone
Both estrogens and androgens are necessary in both biological males and females for healthy bone. (Young healthy women produce about 10 mg of testosterone monthly. Higher bone mineral density in males is associated with higher serum estrogen.)
Bone is not static. It is constantly being reabsorbed and created. Osteoporosis results when bone formation occurs at a rate less than bone resorption.
Estrogen is the predominant sex hormone that slows bone loss (even in men.)
Both estrogen and testosterone help stimulate bone formation (T, especially at puberty.)
Testosterone may cause an increase in cortical bone thickness in transgender men (however this does not necessarily translate to a greater mechanical stability.)
Transgender men who have been oophorectomized must continue androgen therapy to avoid premature osteoporosis. Estrogen supplementation is theoretically not usually necessary, as some of the injected testosterone will be aromatized into estrogen sufficient to maintain bone (as it does in biological men.) However, a single small study of trans men after oophorectomy demonstrated that androgens alone may be insufficient to retard bone loss. (van Kesteren P, et al. "Long-term follow-up of bone mineral density and bone metabolism in transsexuals treated with cross-sex hormones." Clin Endocrin. 48(3):347-54. 1998.) It is likely the case that pre-oophorectomy, residual estrogen production is protective. However, after oophorectomy, some trans men may have insufficient estrogen to retard bone loss.
Some physicians advocate a Dexa (bone density) scan at the time of oophorectomy and every year or two thereafter to diagnose osteoporosis before it becomes severe enough to be symptomatic. This is important because treatment of osteoporosis is most effective if done early.
Daily calcium supplementation and possibly Vitamin D is probably a good idea for most transgender men, but it is even more important after removal of the ovaries.
I have curvy hips that I hate, too. I'm hoping that as the fat goes away it'll help.
What I'm doing in the meantime is push-ups and pull-ups. At least, I'm working towards them, they're tough for female-bodied people to do but not impossible. I'm getting a head start on it. If we develop our back, chest and shoulder muscles we'll get a broader V-shape up top and the hips won't be so noticeable. I'm hoping that Testosterone will really make this bloom.
I have been looking around at bio men lately (as you do...), and I am noticing that, surprise, surprise, many do not fall into the perfect V body shape category. Many have pretty broad hips and generous rumps. And it doesn't make them look any less like men and you actually don't notice until you go looking for it.
Whilst I can truly relate to hip-hatred, I do wonder if we make this too much of an issue by comparing ourselves with the ideal male shape rather than the vast variety of real, imperfect male shapes.
Quote from: M.Grimm on June 19, 2010, 02:01:03 AM
I have curvy hips that I hate, too. I'm hoping that as the fat goes away it'll help.
What I'm doing in the meantime is push-ups and pull-ups. At least, I'm working towards them, they're tough for female-bodied people to do but not impossible. I'm getting a head start on it. If we develop our back, chest and shoulder muscles we'll get a broader V-shape up top and the hips won't be so noticeable. I'm hoping that Testosterone will really make this bloom.
Yea i know what u mean, i've been working out on my lower body to remove fat and my upper body to build muscle. hopefully it'll work
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Quote from: Papillon on June 19, 2010, 06:03:42 AM
I have been looking around at bio men lately (as you do...), and I am noticing that, surprise, surprise, many do not fall into the perfect V body shape category. Many have pretty broad hips and generous rumps. And it doesn't make them look any less like men and you actually don't notice until you go looking for it.
Whilst I can truly relate to hip-hatred, I do wonder if we make this too much of an issue by comparing ourselves with the ideal male shape rather than the vast variety of real, imperfect male shapes.
I really try not to compare myself to other bio men cz it really depresses me, but similar to how women want to have the perfect female body, i strive to have the perfect male body, sometimes i just think its human nature to want to be the best you can be. I know i'll never have the perfect male body but at least i can try to get there.
I know exactly what you mean. My hips are really getting me down. :'(
I've found that wearing your pants on your hips and having a loose shirt around your waist helps in the illusion of no waist and slimmer hips...though, it of course might not work for a larger guy but then, cisguys who are large have some pretty big hips too so you fit right in.
By the way..I know I used it here...cause I already kind of got the understanding what it means. But what does cis in cisguy stand for anyway?
I'd suggest trying to increase muscle mass in your shoulders, upper arms, back, and chest through strength training. This typically causes the muscles in your shoulders and arms to become larger so your hips won't seem as wide in comparison. There are no real surgical options available to create smaller hips, but Dr. Garrimore does offer body masculization for FTMs that go in for top surgery. Pretty much it's liposuction for the hips (based on what I've seen, could be wrong).
I happen to be blessed in one way with not really having any hips (although my boobs make up for that) which you can see a photo of myself in the "do I pass thead". But I noticed something last night while I was looking at photos of my sister on fb she also doesn't have hips and she has had 2 kids I guess its just something that is in our family? I can't really say about any other female family members as I haven't seen them in many years and they all live in a different part f the country from us.
thanks for the replies everyone, its really helped :]