Shiloh Jolie-Pitt: transgender or victim of the media?
The Daily Loaf
by Ryan Jent
29 June, 2010
http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/dailyloaf/2010/06/29/shiloh-jolie-pitt-transgender-or-victim-of-the-media/ (http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/dailyloaf/2010/06/29/shiloh-jolie-pitt-transgender-or-victim-of-the-media/)
...the first-born daughter of Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt was never destined to lead a normal life. Would the sheer attractiveness of Pitt and Jolie cancel itself out, or would she become the next Queen of Hollywood? (Insert Megan Fox's contempt.)
As it turns out, their first-born was cute — and while not as scrutinized as the daughter of Chris Klein and Katie Holmes, loved by the media.
But now? Now the media is assuring the world that the child is transgender, based upon magazine cover$ like the one above, the three-year-old's affinity for "boy" clothing and a few conveniently-chopped quotes from Angelina's new Vanity Fair interview.
I think that "if" Shi|oh is transgender that the answer is undoubtedly "both"
I'm not seeign how that's an either-or question.
How many months now has this child been insisting on a male presentation?
What does the SOC say about children this age?
If it looks like a duck.....
S/he could probably be diagnosed with GID, but that's a terrible diagnosis that catches up mostly nondisordered GLB kids and tomboys.
i saw that in an article on yahoo. angelina quotes "she wants to be a boy." i'm not sure if that's literal, or if it's figurative. it's usually more accepted with girls to go out of their gender boundaries than it is for boys.
I have to say I think it is disgusting in the extreme that this child should be speculated about in these sexualised terms.
If this is First Amendment freedom, then you can keep it.
Here, this would be unacceptable.
where's here? You're not circling the globe in an airplane, are you? :laugh:
Isn't that kid a creation of the media in the first place?
Quote from: Rebis on July 03, 2010, 11:22:39 PM
where's here? You're not circling the globe in an airplane, are you? :laugh:
Certainly in the UK and most of Europe. There are restrictions on reporting of children here.
However, I've been reflecting on this since I wrote it. America has a lot of problems as a hang-over from its constitutional guarantees. Gun control for example.
I appreciate that most Americans seem to be infused with the notion that their constituion carries Koranic status. That any interference, however necessary, will mean an end to all life as they think they know it.
But I also think that defence of children is and must be the primary objective of any society.
I won't withdraw my absolute criticism of this sort of reporting. What is being done to this little girl, so that a few perverts can make cash from selling more copy, is utterly wrong.
But I do appreciate that, most Americans are unable it accept any criticism where it might impinge upon their reverance for their constition or its authors.
I live in the country. It would take up too 45 minutes for a game officer or a police officer to show up should I have an issue like a bear after my livestock or a burgler in the house.
I will keep my barbaric rights to bear arms thank you.
That you're writing from Europe, and speaking English has a lot to do with American guns in the last century eh? Oh, twice right? Besides, like a media that is freer to write what it wants (just because people write it don't mean the majority believes it, or even cares about it), they trust us with guns. And, in its own, very weird, but not if you think about it, way I think the US is a lot less casually violent then just about anyplace else I've ever been (except Canada).
And its not like those parents do anything to keep those kids out of the spotlight. Brad Pitt and AJ make far more than enough money to make sure that nobody, anywhere, ever knew anything about their kids.* But the fact that both mom and dad are world class attention whores. Matter of fact alone they each earn a spot in the Top Five Attention Whores of All Time List, together, they're a straight-up Cat5 Hurricane of Attention Whoredom. They, the parents, Brad and AJ invite this crap and they ought to be held to blame for it. But of course that kid is going to join either the Lindsey Lohen Trainwreck of the Week Club, or they might end up being able to handle all that stuff so well they end up like Jamie Lee Curtis. Or they could drop out of all that stuff entirely and get a PhD in Anthropology or something. But at any rate, this is not the media's fault nearly as much as it's Brad and AJs fault.
* - I can think of tons of parents just as famous and we don't know squat about their kids, most people don't even know their names.
Quote from: cynthialee on July 04, 2010, 06:52:42 AM
I live in the country. It would take up too 45 minutes for a game officer or a police officer to show up should I have an issue like a bear after my livestock or a burgler in the house.
I will keep my barbaric rights to bear arms thank you.
I know a number of people who live in the countryside and keep and use guns.
I didn't say it was or is, barbarac. Mass murders happen everywhere, sadly. I'm equally sure that there is a pressing necessity for some guy, living in an apartment in the middle of a city to own an automatic weapon.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/28/AR2010062802134_pf.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/28/AR2010062802134_pf.html)
I'm sure the families of those, regularly slaughtered by some nut with a big gun and a grudge will take comfort in the knowledge that it was his right to own that gun.
As I have frequently said to some US NRA supporters, I agree that every American should own a gun. Then, the next time some nut goes on the rampage, the rest of you can mosey on down, spit in the dust, push back your stetsons and blast the critter to where-ever.
I really hope your dream comes true. if only those yeller bellied types who don't own a gun would wake up and smell their freedom. There would be a lot less people being killed by guns. (Or, perhaps its a lot more. I can never quite figure that one our, In any case. Guns don't kill people, people do. Doesn anyone know what that means? )
http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/27/2/214.pdf (http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/27/2/214.pdf)
Quote from: tekla on July 04, 2010, 08:59:28 AM
But at any rate, this is not the media's fault nearly as much as it's Brad and AJs fault.
* - I can think of tons of parents just as famous and we don't know squat about their kids, most people don't even know their names.
Your logic is as disgusting as its consquences.
This is a child. A baby.
To speculate on this child in such a sexualised manner is disgraceful. If this child, for example, took off its clothes on the beach, as children sometimes do, would that justify front page spreads of naked children?
No idea how gun control is relevant to the discussion... ???
Personally, I don't think there's any point in speculating. If some sort of actual statement comes out that Shiloh has been diagnosed with GID, then sure, let's talk about it. There's nothing nearly so solid now though, it's all just gossip. I'm pretty sure rumors about Shiloh have been going around for some time now? So I'm not even going to make a prediction or opinion one way or another. Whether or not she is trans, I think it's good that Angelina's letting her child dress and act the way she wants!
(And frankly, is it any of our business? I wonder the same thing whenever people are talking about celebrities...let them live their lives...)
Repeat. The two parents in question could keep those kids out of the public eye 100% if they so desired. They do not desire any such thing.
Quote from: tekla on July 04, 2010, 11:32:37 AM
Repeat. The two parents in question could keep those kids out of the public eye 100% if they so desired. They do not desire any such thing.
That is no excuse.
Opportunity is not an excuse for child abuse. There is nothing more to be said on this matter
Quote from: spacial on July 04, 2010, 10:37:51 AM
I'm sure the families of those, regularly slaughtered by some nut with a big gun and a grudge will take comfort in the knowledge that it was his right to own that gun.
As I have frequently said to some US NRA supporters, I agree that every American should own a gun. Then, the next time some nut goes on the rampage, the rest of you can mosey on down, spit in the dust, push back your stetsons and blast the critter to where-ever.
I prefer to do my revengin' with a bowie knife, thank you.
and, if anyone slaughtered me with any regularity, I'd find myself a better place to live. I can't stand being regularly slaughtered. I find it disruptive.
Quote from: Rebis on July 04, 2010, 05:34:15 PM
if anyone slaughtered me with any regularity, I'd find myself a better place to live. I can't stand being regularly slaughtered. I find it disruptive.
Lol. Plus it can really ruin your day.
entirely ruin my day. ::)
Quote from: spacial on July 04, 2010, 10:37:51 AM
I'm sure the families of those, regularly slaughtered by some nut with a big gun and a grudge will take comfort in the knowledge that it was his right to own that gun.
As I have frequently said to some US NRA supporters, I agree that every American should own a gun. Then, the next time some nut goes on the rampage, the rest of you can mosey on down, spit in the dust, push back your stetsons and blast the critter to where-ever.
Your logic is as disgusting as its consquences.
This is a child. A baby.
To speculate on this child in such a sexualised manner is disgraceful. If this child, for example, took off its clothes on the beach, as children sometimes do, would that justify front page spreads of naked children?
I think perhaps the parents of the Columbine school kids were rather glad that the principal of the school had a weapon and used it to kill the rampaging kids. I don't think they took much comfort in the fact that the kids who shot up the school did not have a legal right to posess those weapons.
I still don't see the logic in preventing mature, law abiding citizens, from owning guns. It's not like a law against such lawful possession would prevent kids and criminals from obtaining weapons illegally.
Your analogy to child porn is deceitful and unfair. No laws were broken here.
The Columbine murderers committed suicide.
Quote from: glendagladwitch on July 04, 2010, 07:26:03 PM
Your analogy to child porn is deceitful and unfair. No laws were broken here.
I don't see any point in getting into an irrelevant discussion on guns. I only raised it as an example of unfettered rights.
The issue is the exploitation of this baby and the implication that this may be some early signs of transgender.
This baby has reached the stage, that all babies reach, where she has become aware of herself. She is experimenting with her appearance. This is perfectly normal and not any sign of anything other than that she is perfectly normal.
The various press outlets are using this perfectly normal baby to create a story of possible transgender. Transgender is, whether you like it or not, a sexual matter. Not sexual practice with another person, necessarily, but sexual is the expression of sexual identity. Expression of sexual identity to the rest of the world.
What this child is doing has little to do with the rest of the world other than to say, I am here, perfectly normal for a baby of that age.
But it gets worse.
Many of us will remember the time the insinuation that being homosexual was synonomous with child abuse. Now, happly, society has moved on.
But some sections of society are even now attempting to imply an association between Transgender and child abuse. The bathroom issue, in the US has been expanded by some to suggest that it will put children at risk.
For Susans' to give such repeated coverage to these disgusting and unfounded sugegstions that this perfectly normal baby may be transgendered is, to say the very least, risky.
This is the consequence of unfettered 1st Ammendment rights. I suggest the moderators of Susans' should be thinking very carefully if reporting these press stories are really in the best interests of Susans' and of Transgender people everywhere.
Quote from: minniemouse on July 04, 2010, 09:03:25 PM
The Columbine murderers committed suicide.
Hmmm. I know I saw a documentary about some school shooting and the principal got his firearm and stopped it. I see the Vice Principle at Pearl High School use dhis pistol to subdue a teenager shooting up the school.
Quote from: spacial on July 05, 2010, 04:01:39 AM
For Susans' to give such repeated coverage to these disgusting and unfounded sugegstions that this perfectly normal baby may be transgendered is, to say the very least, risky.
This is the consequence of unfettered 1st Ammendment rights. I suggest the moderators of Susans' should be thinking very carefully if reporting these press stories are really in the best interests of Susans' and of Transgender people everywhere.
Each member of the News Staff independently posts articles they think might be of interest to our community here at Susan's. Some of these are favorable stories, some are not. I believe it can be useful for us as a community to be aware of what our detractors are posting so that we can effectively counter their arguments.
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This is the consequence of unfettered 1st Ammendment rights.
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