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Just wondering if any of you feel the need to also look androgynous and if so, what do you do to present outwardly how you feel?  Also, a bit of an uplifting question; what is your favorite part of your body?  What do you love about yourself?  What do you find difficult about appearing androgynous?

For me, I like to look fairly androgynous most days, although I do go girly on occassion.   I love my hair and also my big nose because it's not a dead giveaway.  My biggest hurdle is trying to look androgynous as opposed to butch or ftm.  I have my hair a bit longer than I'd like simply to help with that.  I also like to keep my eyes feminine; I usually wear mascara and eyeliner (although not in my profile pic, I don't think) and I keep my eyebrows done. 

Here's a random 'here I am' pic from today.  I'm feeling pretty masculine; this is about as boyish as I get:
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So, any other pics?  You can leave your heads off if you want :)

I wouldn't say I make much of an effort to look the part. I have a lot of female clothes nowadays, but nothing that people would really identify as such. One of the nice things about this androgyne journey as it progresses is that I am beginning to feel comfortable with the parts of my personality deemed male - I'm now trying to look and feel comfortable in the parametres of who I am and I'm enjoying that (limited budget notwithstanding.

I like my profile pick ensemble - I do like that pink shirt, indeed I have a few shirts and blouses and a range of knitwear for when winter comes. I like me doc martin boots - in this photo I'm wearing the purple ones with the pink laces and a very cool 16th century style coat from a costume warehouse. I love myself some theatrical/historical wear.

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I also like wearing girl's pyjamas - not many photos of them (for obvious reasons, who has PJ shots?) But here is one when I was testing out a camera and posing. I do like a good pose.

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I am seriously in LOVE with your shoes!  The coat is rocking, as well.   Nice, nice, nice!

I would throw up for consideration that perhaps you don't have to make as much effort now that your journey is progressing ;)

I think it's more that I don't mind looking a bit male now that I am comfortable that I am not.

Very cool outfit, Pica!

LilDoberman, I recently found a cool website with androgyne etc. photography and stylings. Check it out: http://genderfork.com/ (http://genderfork.com/)

I don't actively try to appear androg - I just do.  :P I usually go around wearing all men's clothing but taper it down (ie. buttoning the middle three buttons on a button-up shirt to create more of a waist) when I feel like it. I have unisex glasses and a unisex haircut that can either get femmed up or look like a skater version of Justin Bieber's hair.  :)

No pictures though. Maybe I can wrangle some up later to supplement this post.

I look tomboy'ish, gay'ish, my partner sometimes calls it Shane'ish... My clothes come from the men's department. I prefer not to place emphasis on the female parts of my body... I guess you could say I actively dress androgynous but I think of it more as actively dressing and appearing comfortable... All with all I like my body... I really like my stomach because of a slim waist and because it's flat. Ah and my shoulders because they're fairly broad.

http://www.pix8.net/pro/pic.php?u=19380jYID1&i=11554648 (http://www.pix8.net/pro/pic.php?u=19380jYID1&i=11554648)

I should really clean that mirror... xD

I have a strong need to present as I feel, for me its a positive androgynous look where people dont know if I'm Male or Female because I presenting as both, haveing a thick beard while wearing clearly female clothes just in the past week I've worn skirts out in public on two different ocations both times with a clearly fem top and  breast-forms and a little make-up sometimes It feels like a lot of effort but it is worth it for the comments of small children and the disapproving stares of little old ladies

When I shop, I pay equal attention to the men's and women's sections, and just buy whatever fits and looks good.  I don't put a whole lot of thought into it; I just wear what feels comfortable, which is usually a combination of things considered masculine and things considered feminine, or overall gender-neutral.  For example, I usually wear some gender-neutral type of shoes, but if my shoes look feminine, I'll balance it with a masculine-looking article of clothing.  Usually, I have long hair and don't wear make-up, but I have also gone through times of having short hair and wearing makeup.  I guess I naturally gravitate towards a gender-neutral or balanced mix of genders in my look.

technically i suppose i'm [transmaculine/gendrqueer/genderfluid]-identified (it's harder to pinpoint any one identity, although "androgyne" isn't something i really tend to call myself). a big part of my presentation is keeping my chest bound. most of my clothes come from the men's section or are hand-me-downs from bioguy friends. i try to present as androgynous as much as i can because i want to make people ask themselves questions. my voice is a dead giveaway as to what (not who) i am biologically, but that's okay - i want to take ownership of the fact that i'm a classically trained soprano.

my hair is getting long. i do try to present masculinely, although with the natural curves of my body (a.k.a. being pretty heavy up top and having some pretty wide hips), it's difficult. i end up looking like a queer dyke type instead, probably. i don't know. when i'm alone, i feel the most myself because i don't need to prove anything to anybody.

my favorite part of my body is a hard one to answer. i do like my belly. it's nice and pillow-ish. (:

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...jeez i need a haircut.

I present whatever way feels most comfortable at the moment, generally. Usually that means presenting as "male(ish)" aside from the omnipresent earrings and purple glasses. However, from time to time I get the urge to more thoroughly break gender boundaries, at which point I quite enjoy mix and matching things like gypsy skirts and miscellaneous menswear. OH! Also, I really enjoy wearing shorts (cargo shorts especially, because pockets), because then I can show off my fuzzy legs and (if I;m wearing socks) my fun, colorful socks all at once. 83

I think my chest and my voice are the two biggest challenges to presenting androgynously, or... correctly at all, for that matter. My chest is just kind of in the way-- even with a proper binder, there's only so much time I can spend binding before I start getting stiff and sore all over, and tehre are certain outfits that just kind of don't work with a binder underneath (such as a number of blouses, which I would be so much more comfortable wearing with a flat chest). And my voice... I don't know. My voice is just bothersome because it doesn't feel right, and I kind of feel like I have more of the "feminine guy" brand of androgyny, which is obviously a bit hindered by the fact that my body (voice included) is definitely not male.

On a much more positive note, though: Things I like about my body! I love my hair-- all of it. Head hair, body hair, all of the above. I think a lot of that is because i have control over my own hair-- it's pretty easily customizeable! Right now I have my head-hair cut in a pretty run-of-the-mill faux hawk (which is only spiked up part of the time, i.e. when I'm not lazy)... pretty short, fairly masculine but not without a definite nod to my queerness. I think once hormones happen and the world is more accustomed to not seeing me as a girl, though, I might go back to experimenting with some weird mutant pixie cuts and such, because those are really fun~

Most of my photos of myself are of the cruddy webcam variety and don't quite demonstrate my gender-blending too well as a result (mostly because they don't do a very good job of showing the all-oimportant earrings), so instead I'll show you a few doodles I did of me (or my fursona, at least) dressed up in some typical me-clothes:

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(those are thumbnailish-- click for full views)

In random news that I didn't know where else to put:  I got my hair chopped yesterday.  It wasn't supposed to be THIS short but I'm literally rocking a mohawk today.  I have to admit, it looks pretty damn good on me :)  I'm going to mess with it and I'll get a pic.  I did up the makeup and it's fun.

I took about 30 pictures but it's amazingly hard to take a self-pic of a mohawk (or I'm simply incapable LOL).

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Like Tree, I'm not sure if I'm androgynous as much as genderqueer/transmasculine, but worrying that I didn't look as "ungendered" as I felt was how I got started on questioning my (lack of a) gender in the first place.  I'm a T-shirt and jeans kind of person and used to somewhat intentionally wear a mix of girl and boy clothes every day like Alexmakenoise.  Despite wearing some obviously male clothes every day, people would universally read me as a girl, although at least they'd identify me as "butch" or "tomboy" in recognition of my efforts.  I've been consistently wearing just guy clothes for a while, but that alone hasn't changed how people see me, so I'm experimenting with binding and considering a haircut to see if that helps me appear more ambiguous.

Oh, and my favorite part of my body is probably my legs.  They're thin and hairy and confuse the people in the adjacent stalls when I use women's restrooms.  I also love my hands and feet because they don't look like those of anyone else I know.  Technically, it's a connective tissue disorder that makes them look long and bony, but I've always liked it because they look like those of a "little green men" type of alien, not to mention that they work just fine.

The simple answer is, I am rubbish at looking the part because my favourite body part is my long hair!  :D Oh well.
So... what do I do? I'm a baggy t-shirt and cargo pants type of person, I lean towards gender-neutral and male clothing (I really don't own much female clothing, a few tops and a dress I wore to prom once and hated) but basically, I'm just a sucker for funky t-shirt designs. Oh, and I bind on days I feel I need to.
But being androgyne is not about looking the part. If I were built differently maybe I would do more mysterious androgyne clothing and stand around looking cool in an ambiguous way, but I think the social aspects and how you see yourself are more important than how total strangers see you. In mah humble opinion. That is, coming from someone who can't get sir'd to save their life.  :P
I love my eyes because they're a pale grey with a very dark ring around them, it looks cool. I love my eyebrows because they're thick but well-defined (whereas I may be the former but not the latter ;) ) My nose, likewise, is pleasing. But I hate my computer because this is the second time today I've wanted to post pictures but been thwarted because it's bloody broken.  >:(

(P.S No-id, I agree with your partner that you look Shane-ish... and tell them I'm jealous! Whit-woo!  :-*)

Hope this isn't inappropriate but I've looked at Pica pica's photo several times now and think he looks, well.... Hot.

Very inappropriate, but if you want to say more, I'll happily listen.

I have thought in the past that I might want to go the androgynous route, but now I'm comfortable with the idea that I want to, in the end, be perceived by others as clearly female. however, I might play with gender->-bleeped-<-ing a bit once I start taking female hormones.. I really don't know if I will take advantage of those opportunities or not right now.

Side note: Wow. A lot of you androgynous folks are HOT :)

I think I'd like to spend a few days in Pica's closet.   

okok, here's todays pic...

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2010-08-31-160638 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/omgsitszaidyohnoes/4946057187/#) by Zaida Angel of Doom and Mayhem (http://www.flickr.com/people/omgsitszaidyohnoes/), on Flickr

This is how I'd like to look on a more regular basis (with a better tie, sheesh)...

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(from a few months ago)

Usually I look much less androgynous, but it's something I'm working on.

u looks more cute if stay as a girl..u not a fat flat girl

I like this thread.  Androgyny wasn't on anyone's radar when I was young.  I envy you for how you can experiment with various combinations.

Clairzoey, it's not all about looks.  We don't stay a girl because we look better as a girl, or vice versa.  If we are androgynes, it would be nice to look androgynous.  But in the end, that's not what this is all about.

One reason I waited so long to transition was that I was convinced I would never make a passable women.  But I got to the point where I didn't care if I made an ugly woman – I could no longer pretend to the world that I was a man.

To some extent, our looks define us to the outside world, but they don't define us to ourselves.  And looking at the pictures here, I see that we can do a lot to change our looks so that the outside world has a chance to see us as we are.

This thread is about looks.  It is a nice, friendly discussion.  And many of you are very attractive.

- Kate

i tried the andro look and didn't do too well :( guess it's the hair getting in the way but i really couldn't bear to cut it...

Quote from: milktea on September 01, 2010, 12:03:00 PM
i tried the andro look and didn't do too well :( guess it's the hair getting in the way but i really couldn't bear to cut it...

There is more then one way to look Androgynous if you life something about yourself that points clearly toward one side then you can try ballancing that with a few things from the other.

I like my beard so I have long hair wear breast-forms and female clothes and sometimes makup,
If you wanted to try the Positive Androgyne Look a fake beard & male clothes would make a big difference.

there have been times when I feel I'm pushing to hard toward the other side and have to step back a little so that I'm still being true to me.

I'm with Kinkly and think that sometimes, someone with a definitive 'sexed' feature can sometimes pull off androgyny best. 

Personally, I'm not very good at it.  I go through phases where I'm super girly and then usually full-stop and do super boyish, then slowly go towards girly again and repeat.   I'd love to just have one look but I tend to get bored :) 

You guys are looking good - Doberman the fauxhawk, Zaida the pixie and Brainiac the Titanic Paperboy.
Any of us looking androgynous? Bah, who cares? But looking good - of course  ;D

That wording made me first imagine a colossal paperboy, his cries of, "EXTRY! EXTRY!" terrorizing the birds out of trees.

I still think i ended up accidentally androgynous dealing with the the GD, but it's definitely more to do with appearance than how I feel inside (I know I'm definitely female), so yeah I do look the part, because initially i didn't want to dress in a really masculine way, but was too affeared to dress in a feminine way...after years and years of doing this it's just become a comfortable state of being.

I am slowly dressing in a more feminine way, but to be honest it's more the female equivalent of what i used to wear rather than a paradigm shift into girly girly mode.

Quote from: Kinkly on September 02, 2010, 04:07:35 AM
I like my beard so I have long hair wear breast-forms and female clothes and sometimes makup,
If you wanted to try the Positive Androgyne Look a fake beard & male clothes would make a big difference.

well the beard thing is quite extreme for me unless it's halloween. tried guys clothes though but the effect was more of the boyfriend style popularised by victoria beckham...

@Pica Pica Can I just say, I just want to hug you in your awesome "theatrical" jacket and your PJs.

And also @brainiac I love the vest/tie look!

Really everyone is looking awesome and it's inspiring to see more people who are just kind of beating their own path with attire and appearance. I too have a total mix of clothing. And I like crazy unique pieces now and then too. When I was a kid I wondered why "costume" clothing pieces in every day life seemed "taboo" to people. I was like, have a little fun, jeez! I wish I could pull off dressing like Adam Ant! hee! Actually I probably could pull it off it would just be finding all the epic jackets and frilly shirts. Or a pirate! That would be fun too. Or a post-apocalyptic pieced-together mad max cyberpunk. Maybe it's because part of me never really "grew up" and another part of me rejected the "reality" that everyone else was doing and I found completely boring.

That is not to say that in certain situations (let's say, a business meeting) I wouldn't dress "appropriately" (to society's standards). When I need to do something like that, I consider THAT a costume too haha

Quote from: Pica Pica on September 03, 2010, 06:10:29 PM
You guys are looking good - Doberman the fauxhawk, Zaida the pixie and Brainiac the Titanic Paperboy.
Any of us looking androgynous? Bah, who cares? But looking good - of course  ;D

i guess i do care, but i can also pull it off sometimes. i've been read as "he" by at least four people. i'm usually read as "she"... I think that qualifies? only sometimes. i think looking androgynous, for me, is part of looking good.

Finally! Access to images! Computers... can't live with 'em, can't live without 'em.  :P
This is what I'm looking like today (not binding or anything, can't be bothered today). Not particularly androgynous, just how I look. I wish I could look androgynous, but I'm not cutting my hair anytime soon, so I'll deal with it.

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Though I prefer this picture from 2 days ago:

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;D

I recently had my hair cut in in a new style.  At first I liked it...only to realize it was more of a pain to manage, made my face look wider(because of the fluffytizing effect of all the layers), AND then this gender thing hit me like a 30-pound wet mackerel to the face...
I'm going to let my hair grow out again to a more androgynous look, because right now it looks too girly, until then I'm going to keep it slicked down.

Think a somewhat shorter, and less-layered version of Glenn Danzig's hair( I hope y'all know who that is...) I just wish I could pop out muscles like Danzig...but even female bodybuilders don't get as big as him sans testosterone, and I don't think my carpals would hold for anything near that level of lifting.  Dangit.
If I take testosterone, goodbye ambitions to kickbox, methinks. It wouldn't be looked at as a gender thing in the kickboxing ring, it would be looked at as performance-enhancement, therefore cheating.
(okay, now rambling...)

Actually-I take it back...Glenn's looking kinda ruggedly  old these days-so look like him in the early 90's, when he was, well, still hot.  Now he looks as if he did indeed do too much testosterone himself to get that bulky.

I wasn't actually TRYING to look androgynous in the pic below. This was actually taken during jury duty and, when the judge called me "Ma'm" and I let out a really deep, "Uhh" the entire room laughed at the judge's mistake. Keep in mind though that everyone didn't laugh until I actually said something.

Now, I probably could've gone along with it but I didn't really want to get picked to go on a trial so I did what I did :)

What do you think? Too andro? A survey on Facebook at the time said "Yea."

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Quote from: Lexine on September 21, 2010, 06:19:09 PM
I wasn't actually TRYING to look androgynous in the pic below. This was actually taken during jury duty and, when the judge called me "Ma'm" and I let out a really deep, "Uhh" the entire room laughed at the judge's mistake. Keep in mind though that everyone didn't laugh until I actually said something.

I LOL'd because I also caused a little gender pandemonium at jury duty!  Courthouses are filled with law enforcement personnel, and they basically herd the potential jurors from one room to the next, again and again all day.  At some point, I needed to ask one where the bathroom was, and when I followed the directions, I ended up at the men's room.  I was actually there with my mom (both got called at the same time) and this happened about a day before I came out to her as genderqueer/transmasculine (to which she essentially replied "duh"), so I wasn't binding or anything, and I do have long hair, so I wasn't planning to go to the men's room, certainly not dragging my mom along with me.  It was basically like that for the next two days, being either intentionally de-pronouned or having people flip from one to the other second-guessing themselves.  What fun!

You all look awesome - makes me wonder how many people I see IRL that could go one way or another are actually intending that!

Shane...teach me how to dress, I like your look!

@brainiac
Great outfit, looks phantastic. For me, it screams "female" though because of the violet cap.

@fenrir
Gorgeous hair! Sure it does not look androgynous, but it is very very beautiful. Your outfit is absolutely cool as well.

@lexine
Your avatar picture makes me think female, the pic you've posted looks more like male to me. But I'm from Europe, I don't see so many Asians here and therefore lack the skills at gendering them well - once they go for an androgynous or cross-dressing style.

Thanks. :) The cap is actually black, it's just that that was taken with my terrible cell phone camera. I AM looking to get a new hat, though...

I like mixing male and female clothing items when I go out. Otherwise, I'm myself.

No matter what I seem to do...I appear either female or butch female...but always female. It's extremely rare that someone mistakes me for male or doesn't know what sex I am.
Thusly...I don't try much. I wear what's comfortable for me. This usually includes a mix of mens clothes, "boyfriend" style women's clothes, or outright women's clothes.

Quote from: phx_rising on December 24, 2010, 11:50:41 AM
No matter what I seem to do...I appear either female or butch female...but always female. It's extremely rare that someone mistakes me for male or doesn't know what sex I am.
Thusly...I don't try much. I wear what's comfortable for me. This usually includes a mix of mens clothes, "boyfriend" style women's clothes, or outright women's clothes.

I'd assume that what matters most in the end is own comfort in terms of the basic clothes comfort. What I noticed is that the less I tried to look androgynous and the more I focused on simple feeling comfortable in my clothes the more androgynous I became in other's perception.
I suppose my keyword in this story is: comfort.. But alas, that's not exactly the easiest road to find and travel. ;)

I'm mixing between boys and girls clothing and sometimes combining the both, but I guess that fits with where I identify (somewhere between female and androgyne) so I definitely dress gender queer.

I've posted on this thread before, but wanted to share my more recent androgyne looks to everyone. I had an androgyne pic on page 2, but I think this is a far more androgynous look than that I believe:

Wow Lexine, you look great! 

I dress in mostly male clothes, probably because I hate being read as female.  But I dress in kind of feminine versions, like skinny jeans, fingerless opera gloves...I have a trench coat now, too.

Lexine, have come across your pics on here and your facebook avatar and although i know some andro folk like to come across as not looking like one or another gender, but to me you have that look of being able to being what ever gender you want to be. It must be great to be able to wake up in the morning and decide what sex you are going to be for that day.

Quote from: LilDoberman on January 03, 2011, 05:58:40 AM
Wow Lexine, you look great!

Thanks! Worked real hard on getting it down, but I think I got it!

Quote from: shelly on January 04, 2011, 04:35:47 AM
Lexine, have come across your pics on here and your facebook avatar and although i know some andro folk like to come across as not looking like one or another gender, but to me you have that look of being able to being what ever gender you want to be. It must be great to be able to wake up in the morning and decide what sex you are going to be for that day.

From my understanding, the definition of androgyny encompasses looking like both or neither gender, so I felt that androgyny was a more appropriate way to describe me and my personality. For a bit I thought I was bigender, but realized that I just wasn't that polar that I can only be one or the other gender at a given time. Because of my androgyny, I am able to be any gender I want at any given time, and I'm not locked into deciding what I'd be for that particular day. In fact, I think I've gotten more guys opening doors for me as an androgyne than when I was in full girl mode and I wasn't even trying to present as a girl. How funny is that?

With that said, I wonder if you all can narrow down what my biological gender is.

Quote from: Lexine on January 04, 2011, 01:14:56 PM
With that said, I wonder if you all can narrow down what my biological gender is.

If you're asking what I think was on your original birth certificate, I'd go with male with a fair bit of certainty.   If I'm right, do I get a cookie? :)

Quote from: LilDoberman on January 04, 2011, 02:13:25 PM
If you're asking what I think was on your original birth certificate, I'd go with male with a fair bit of certainty.

Fair bit of certainty? Hehe

:laugh: Ok, that can be taken two totally different ways.  I had a reply to the dirty version, then changed to a clean version which I'll leave here.  If you meant the more explicit version, you can buy me a beer instead of a cookie ;)

Ok, that's a "bit" oxymoronic.

Drunk posting; it's not just for kids anymore ;)

Quote from: Helena on September 06, 2010, 01:20:41 PM
I am slowly dressing in a more feminine way, but to be honest it's more the female equivalent of what i used to wear rather than a paradigm shift into girly girly mode.

That's more or less what ivpe found my self doing as well it's more comfortable and fits my style. I also don't fell like I am trying to not be me, I can't help it I love jeans and tshirts. And mixing both girls and boys clothing helps me feel comfortable in more andro or fem.

;)

Quote from: Lexine on January 04, 2011, 01:14:56 PM


From my understanding, the definition of androgyny encompasses looking like both or neither gender,

Just started a new thread after seeing this and others that i have found somewhat confusing, see my definition of androgyny is how someone feels inside, looks wise well i dont really care. I wear womens clothes on a daily basis, but obviously only the labels state they are womens, to onlookers they are probably just look like normal blokes clothes, i also wear a lot of football (soccer) tops and wear a couple of girly earings and a matching necklace. Maybe i do come across as looking andro to others, but i certainly dont go out my way to look like this.

I dont know, maybe this andro word has loads of different meanings and everyone is right.

Quote from: LilDoberman on January 04, 2011, 02:13:25 PM
If you're asking what I think was on your original birth certificate, I'd go with male with a fair bit of certainty.

And im just as certain that your birth certificate reads female, as i cant see a lot of adams apple in your pics, mind you maybe the one with the scarf is hiding this, na still think your a girl.

Hi all, I'm sorry if this post is too old to be resurrecting (I'm thinking not)?  I just didn't feel like starting a new thread when this is basically the topic I want anyways.

I don't *feel* androgyne very much at all, but what I do feel is that I like to look presentable as best I can, and it seems that with my body size shape, hair, face and the whole physical package that I end up appearing androgynous in my fashion anyway.  I browse mens and womens sections like a lot of you I'm sure, and try to find things that work best for 'me' gender not included.  As much as I love ruffles and lace and dresses, they just make my physical form look more unattractive so they are out of question, and I'd rather look 'ok' and deal with not dressing super feminine then end up wearing clothes that make me look awkward due to my features.  I wonder if any of you have felt anything similar?

It didn't used to be this way either.  There was a period of time I was very hung up about having only female clothing...  Now I dress to look nice with things that flatter me, instead of dress to look 'female' (which I didn't look btw) with things that looked strange on my physique.

Quote from: Lexine on January 04, 2011, 01:14:56 PM
In fact, I think I've gotten more guys opening doors for me as an androgyne than when I was in full girl mode and I wasn't even trying to present as a girl. How funny is that?

I get this as well somehow... Although I really don't understand it.  For me it's mostly due to having zero chance of passing when wearing really 'girly' clothing, and at least a *little* chance when looking androgynous.  At least that's the way I see it  =/

Quote from: Snoeball on January 12, 2011, 09:55:13 PM
As much as I love ruffles and lace and dresses, they just make my physical form look more unattractive so they are out of question, and I'd rather look 'ok' and deal with not dressing super feminine then end up wearing clothes that make me look awkward due to my features.  I wonder if any of you have felt anything similar?

I really haven't felt anything like that at all, though I can remember when I strongly opposed wearing dresses thinking that a sundress and those sequined gowns are the only available dresses for me. Over time my friend showed me that I could still wear dresses without compromising my identity as an individual and felt a little bit more comfortable with those types of clothes. I think in that sense you just have to have feedback and figure out how the clothes work. There's a reason why women have more of a selection of clothes than men, and that's because women come in different shapes and sizes and stores need to cater to all those - hence, more clothes.

Quote from: Snoeball on January 12, 2011, 09:55:13 PM
Now I dress to look nice with things that flatter me, instead of dress to look 'female' (which I didn't look btw) with things that looked strange on my physique.

This is kind of how I am right now. I go to both aisles for men and women when I shop and think of my wardrobe at home. Though when I shop I assign a "gender value" to each piece and imagine how I can feminize or masculanize (is this even a word?) it. If I can work with it, I buy it. I think it's good that you have a sense of what will look good on you, but you might need to experiment  on it more.

Quote from: Snoeball on January 12, 2011, 09:55:13 PM
I get this as well somehow... Although I really don't understand it.  For me it's mostly due to having zero chance of passing when wearing really 'girly' clothing, and at least a *little* chance when looking androgynous.  At least that's the way I see it  =/

Maybe you're just more comfortable looking androgynous and some of your feminine characteristics are actually let out instead of worrying about how you look? I know for a fact that your view of yourself affects your behavior outside (this is a constant for anybody, not just trans people) so maybe all this worrying is inhibiting your behavior in some way.

Passing, to me, is an average accepted standard that a segment of society expects for a particular gender to present themselves. Keep in mind that it's an average, meaning not everyone will have the same standard. With this in mind, my observations of society's average standards of a female are quite simple: Long hair, an appearance of a shapely body, and a protruding chest area. Once these are "violated" in some ways, it becomes more difficult to guess the gender of said person (i.e. overweight and underweight people, people with long hair, clothes or clothes combinations that provide a shapely figure).

And no, I don't advocate starving yourself or overeating to break these rules.

Quote from: Lexine on January 13, 2011, 05:46:35 PM
I really haven't felt anything like that at all, though I can remember when I strongly opposed wearing dresses thinking that a sundress and those sequined gowns are the only available dresses for me. Over time my friend showed me that I could still wear dresses without compromising my identity as an individual and felt a little bit more comfortable with those types of clothes. I think in that sense you just have to have feedback and figure out how the clothes work. There's a reason why women have more of a selection of clothes than men, and that's because women come in different shapes and sizes and stores need to cater to all those - hence, more clothes.

It's not that I worry about compromising my identity, as my identity is very firmly in place... It's that I feel the more 'feminine' I go with my wardrobe the more masculine it tends to make my body look.  Imagine an angular structure that is being draped with cloth.  The thinner or more sparse the material used to drape it, the more the underlying structure stands out.  If too thick and dense of a covering is used, it may hide the structure better, but it simply makes the structure look large and bulky.  I aim to find a balance with the cloth so to say...   I am very aware of how the clothes 'work' for me, which is why I have such an issue with wearing uber-fem type articles. It's because they do not work for me.  Then again I should mention that I am at an awkward middle ground of transition, so *hopefully* given more time my feeling toward feminine clothing will evolve with my body?

Thank you for your input, by the way, Lexine  =)

Quote from: LilDoberman on August 17, 2010, 09:02:30 AM
Just wondering if any of you feel the need to also look androgynous and if so, what do you do to present outwardly how you feel?  Also, a bit of an uplifting question; what is your favorite part of your body?  What do you love about yourself?  What do you find difficult about appearing androgynous?

I usually wear things that fit my body yet dont give it away entirely, for instance skinny jeans that hang off me.

My favourite part of my body is my hips and legs and bum. That area of my body is so perfectly androgynous, curvy yet i have a flat bum and narrow hips. Also I like my nose, its big which means i dont fit into what is considered the norm for feminine beauty.

The hardest thing I find is I have a round face with no defined jaw line even tho I am quite slim.