Due to her childish stunt with trying to prevent me from responding to her I have no choice but to make my response to her message public.
Quote from: Look as you made quite clear in my public chat last night, your third and final violation of rules 2 and 20. I have the chat logs. I review them when there is a complaint about an op, a user about another user, or by an op about a user.
I reviewed the situation in question and saw nothing out of line. The op's conversation with you was a bit blunt but not in violation of any procedures. It was also posted by her in full in the op abilities forum where we have a detailed thread on you. I told her to be nicer in the future, and less confrontational.
The fact that the server logs all public and private messages is clearly disclosed. We don't try to hide it. We didn't' used to have to do it either until one day a situation came up. Popular GG, TS person. The TS said the GG had with the pretense of a relationship extracted trips, help with moving expenses, vacations, cameras, money to buy a car, and so on. The claim was serious enough that I couldn't risk allowing the GG in question to remain on the site preying on the emotionally vulnerable transgender people, and I had to solely rely on the TS's word against the GG in question. I decided never again. The server already logged public channels. I modified it to log private messages as well. Only one person has full access to those logs, me. Lynn the chat administrator has a more limited system for access to current chat logs for situations which are currently ongoing like an op dealing with a suicidal person in PM, she has absolutely no access to long term history as I do.
Do I give a tinkers damn what you said to Joe or Jane Blow over the last 7 months. Not in the least. I don't go in and watch the conversations on the server either public or private unless something is currently happening or happened that I as the administrator of the site need to review. I could not be less interested in anything else recorded in those logs if I tried. So once again you are blowing things all out of proportion.
I think I know why. You thought you were up for op with Emerald? Well I hate to say it but Emerald sometimes made bad choices of people for op, so I started requiring Emerald run all op candidates by me before hiring them. Your name never came up with me.
It's a bad sign when a person asks for op status. It's generally something that will stop them from being considered. If you had wanted to be an op you would have acted in chat like you already were one. You would have greeted people when they came on, talked in chat a lot, answered people's questions, been friendly and generally helpful, but you didn't do that. You instead raise a stink about minor things which just about assured that your place as a normal every day user isn't going to change any time soon, if ever. You want to go away, I want you to go away. It's a win, win situation for everyone.
Susan Larson
Susan's Place Transgender Resources
https://www.susans.org
----- Original Message -----
QuoteFrom: "Christina Lee Foxxe"
To: Susan
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 4:11 AM
Subject: attitudes
Good gods, if one was to look at this entire situation from an outsider's point of view they would think ALL of us out of our guords!
Now, I have been on ALL the operating levels in IRC (short of scripting) and NOT ONE of us is above making foolish mistakes like the oversights made against me over this whole predicament that started with a green OP overstepping YOUR WRITTEN PROCEDURES! (yes, Emerald gave me a copy of the OPs procedures months ago)
Has it ever occurred to you that your "holy Ops" might just have been acting OUT OF TURN!? Op1 certainly did, as did Op2... from what I have been told, due to the rarity that she has been IN the channel over the past 7 months, she assumed that I was using another nickname to SNEAK into the channel!! Every other OP there knows me by my nicks no matter which of the 4 that I use.
Add to that my learning about the lack of privacy in PM... wow.... a page RIGHT out of G.W.B's book of politics!
Now, the ENTIRE SITUATION has BLOWN WAY THE ->-bleeped-<- OUT OF PROPORTION and still YOU support the mistake makers.... interesting....
Kiddo, you have lost my trust and my respect. TS's have more than enough enemies out in the so-called "normal world" WITHOUT this foolishness.
I left TSSupport.org over such foolishness, I left Gendersupport.org over outright prejudisms performed BY the founder against other levels of the TG spectrum, NOW I am leaving susans.org over MORE petty foolishness.
Delete my account in the forums as I will NOT be back!
(and by the way, this hotmail account was created for THIS email only and will be deleted promptly thereafter to protect me from even MORE of your emotional instability and cruelties!)
Gaia, (aka Christina_Lee, Vixen, and Foxxe_1
This is the conclusion of the thead she started in PMS zone (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,8232.0.html).
Don't play games with me, you can't win them.
Quote(and by the way, this hotmail account was created for THIS email only and will be deleted promptly thereafter to protect me from even MORE of your emotional instability and cruelties!)
I am sorry but that is just funny.
It is a shame mind you, as I have yet to see Susan deserve the slander that she occasionally receives.
*shrug*
Individuals that have trouble every place they go need to look within themselves for relief.
beth
Quote from: Susan on December 05, 2006, 11:55:26 AM
Don't play games with me, you can't win them.
Everyone should know this by now, but it is always a good idea to remind us when things are blown out of proportion. ;)
tinkerbell :icon_chick:
QuoteI left TSSupport.org over such foolishness, I left Gendersupport.org over outright prejudisms performed BY the founder against other levels of the TG spectrum, NOW I am leaving susans.org over MORE petty foolishness.
You'd think that'd be an indication that it may not be the forums that are the problem.
Dennis