Bianca and I are working on a college paper for her that is due tomorrow, one section requires a few paragraphs regarding labels. We have been using her experience as a transsexual through out the paper (a lot of it was about minority/majority and interpersonal communications). Here is the directions that were given for the labels portion of the paper:
"What labels that you dislike have been applied to you or to groups to which you belong? Explain how the labels affect you and the groups to which you belong."
We are actually having trouble thinking of negative labels! I KNOW that sounds crazy, lol. She-male was the best we've come up with but I know there are a few others we could throw in there to elaborate the point. Anyone awake and willing to help out? :)
->-bleeped-<-
He-She
Shim
->-bleeped-<-
Man/Woman
It
Thing
http://andrejkoymasky.com/lou/dic/dic00.html (http://andrejkoymasky.com/lou/dic/dic00.html)
a bit much to wade through, but most slang is simple (->-bleeped-<-, ladyboy, ect) implying that trans women are really "men" in blinged out bodies.
Thanks :)
This professor is honestly crazy, her directions are insane... this has been the easiest part of the entire essay and here we are begging for help lol.
it
hermaprodite
he-she
pretty boy
girlyboy
->-bleeped-<-
thing
->-bleeped-<-
shim
trap
->-bleeped-<-got
queer
dick girl
pervert
Femme Men
he
sissy
drag queen
Aw, the man response made me frown.
Well we think we have the whole paper completed now. College sucks, I'm not even in school and here I am writing papers for Bianca's classes lol. Maybe sometime in the next couple of days I'll have her post a copy of it in the just for us section under MTF, that way if her professor uses any weird tactics to see if students stole their work from anywhere it won't show up on an internet search.
Off to bed FINALLY. I was planning to go to bed hours ago... I can't decide if it was a mistake to ask her if she needed help with her paper or not. Had I not helped she would have failed this one (sad to say but honest and true) but she also would have at least done her own work lol.
Also if a moderator feels this would be best to remove we are totally open to that. I understand why we don't really need a negative label thread, I just really hit a wall there. I don't think there are as many negative labels for FTMs we have it simple with comments like it, boy/girl, he/she... but I mean that's about it really in my own experience.
Quote from: pebbles on September 23, 2010, 02:09:15 AM
it
hermaprodite
he-she
pretty boy
girlyboy
->-bleeped-<-
thing
->-bleeped-<-
shim
trap
->-bleeped-<-got
queer
dick girl
pervert
Femme Men
he
sissy
drag queen
How long did it take you to get your hair that long?
"man who wants to be a woman"
"man who believes he's a woman"
"man who wants to become a woman"
"man who believes he can become a woman"
"man who wants to mutilate himself"
"man who has the delusion he's a woman"
"crazy man"
and vice versa for FTMs
my worst 3 are:
She male
->-bleeped-<-
She boy
Person with Gender Identity Disorder Grrrr! You speak for yourself thank you. I personally never felt that it was a disorder. Merely an unusual state of being, but maybe I am being perverse as usual ::).
"Autogynephyliac"
"->-bleeped-<-"
"fetishist"
"cross-dresser"
"transsexual man"
"male transsexual"
"man who wants to invade women's spaces under disguise"
"man who wants to reinforce the sex binary"
"man who defies god's creation"
"man who wants to mimick women"
"man who wants to become a caricature of women"
"man who wants others make to believe he's a woman"
"fake"
Quote from: Valeriedances on September 23, 2010, 09:01:40 AM
One that I find most offensive and nullifying because it is so close to the correct word is gurl. I absolutely loathed this when I used to hear it or read it. It makes me very sad when I read some member here using it to describe themselves.
What does gurl mean? I only knew grrl before.
Got another nasty label:
"peon of patriarchy"
There are some guidelines put out by GLAAD and also the Associated Press Stylebook that are pertinent. Also there is a group of LGBT journalists who have written additional guidelines that are proposed to be addded to the Associated Press Handbook. One such guideline is that the word "transgender" is an adjective and not a noun. So it is imporoper to call someone "a transgender," but proper to refer to somepne as "a transgender person." It's the same as calling someone "a black person" instead of "a black," or "a gay person" instead of "a gay." But we still hear people on the news say "gays and lesbians" all the time. So I don't know if we will ever win this battle, but I am sensitive to hearing "a transgender." It bothers me.
Here is a link to an article about the AP Stylebook entry.
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/09/08/how-the-ap-stylebook-fails-transgender-subjects/ (http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/09/08/how-the-ap-stylebook-fails-transgender-subjects/)
Here is a link to an entry on the GLAAD Media REference Guide.
http://www.glaad.org/page.aspx?pid=376 (http://www.glaad.org/page.aspx?pid=376)
Quote from: glendagladwitch on September 23, 2010, 09:03:28 AMIt's the same as calling someone "a black person" instead of "a black," or "a gay person" instead of "a gay."
Good to know that, thanks. As a non-native speaker, I've always used black, gay, lesbian etc. as nouns as the German equivalent of "black/gay/lesbian person" sounds silly.
Quote from: Valeriedances on September 23, 2010, 09:06:24 AMIt's the same word spelled slightly different, with the same intention. It's meant to differentiate between the correct, respectful word, girl. At least that what it says to me, in the context of a transgender/transsexual person.
Nasty, that is.
Oh, another one:
"non-womyn"
Quote from: tori319 on September 23, 2010, 04:18:21 AM
How long did it take you to get your hair that long?
haha complete non-sequitur To the topic. :P
I grew it long when I was 15 so it's difficult to say for sure but based on the rate at which mine grows I'd say just under 3 years. Although this is as long as it gets tho.
Oh and dont forget the famous:
Chude :icon_userfriendly: :icon_chainsaw:
tinkerbell
He
Him
His
Man
MAle
Gunslinger
pipe layer
:icon_blahblah:
->-bleeped-<-got :( >:( :embarrassed:
My contribution to this thread:
chick-with-a-dick
Just look at the comments from a FOX (or any other mainstream media for that matter) news article about a trans person, you'll find plenty!
The most hated label that I have been called:
"Nicholas" >:( :( :'(
Pervert
Paedophile (yes, I've heard this for trans people)
->-bleeped-<-got
traitor (coming from gay men)
Quote from: Valeriedances on September 23, 2010, 09:06:24 AM
It's the same word spelled slightly different, with the same intention. It's meant to differentiate between the correct, respectful word, girl. At least that what it says to me, in the context of a transgender/transsexual person.
I don't really understand how "gurl" is offensive. I've always thought it was an informal way to refer to a female, kind of like a female version of the word "dude".
Quote from: TheAetherealMeadow on October 14, 2010, 11:34:11 PM
I don't really understand how "gurl" is offensive. I've always thought it was an informal way to refer to a female, kind of like a female version of the word "dude".
I think it's more along the lines of when a FTM calls themselves a "boi".
Some people like the terms "gurl" and "boi" because they imply gender variance. Some people dislike the terms for that same reason.
Quote from: SnailPace on October 14, 2010, 11:54:17 PM
I think it's more along the lines of when a FTM calls themselves a "boi".
Some people like the terms "gurl" and "boi" because they imply gender variance. Some people dislike the terms for that same reason.
Yes exactly.
Quote from: Valeriedances on October 15, 2010, 11:07:59 AM
It's offensive to me, maybe as a generational/age thing. At age 52, for me the correct word for a female is girl, not gurl. I guess I'm an old lady already and not keeping up with the times.
I did find the below entry on wikipedia which says it can be used as a term of address between gay men. But is also used as an alternate to girl.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gurl (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gurl)
I still dont like it, it's yechy.
such is life. ANyways I hapen to like the word "gurl" in defining myself. Because I am real and know i was mistakenly born with a pecker. So, because im real, I do not feel comfortable using the word GIRL for myself, because I was not born with a nah-nah. Inside I am 100% woman/girl but not on the outside, therefore gurl is kewl. Even if i inverted my pecker with surgery, calling myself a girl (to me) is denying that which I have overcome.... My opinion... I know there are going to be some of you that are going to have a problem with this,,,,,,,,,however, I have used MYSELF and MY opinion toward MYSELF so I dont want to hear that Im :icon_blahblah: :icon_blahblah: :icon_blahblah: :icon_blahblah: :icon_blahblah: :icon_blahblah: :icon_blahblah: :icon_blahblah: :icon_blahblah: :icon_blahblah: :icon_blahblah: :icon_blahblah: :icon_blahblah: :icon_blahblah: :icon_blahblah: :icon_blahblah: :icon_blahblah: :icon_blahblah: :icon_blahblah: :icon_blahblah: :icon_blahblah:
Quote from: SnailPace on October 14, 2010, 11:54:17 PM
I think it's more along the lines of when a FTM calls themselves a "boi".
Some people like the terms "gurl" and "boi" because they imply gender variance. Some people dislike the terms for that same reason.
Again I understand what you have said and like it........but there will always be those that are stubborn and think that by ignoring reality will simply make it go away!!!!! That which has been always will be, just as that which has never been, wont be
->-bleeped-<-got
pussy man
bapok
Confused
Freak
Sorry I didn't contribute to this thread when it first appeared. I assume you've finished the paper and handed it in.
If I may suggest that any negative names are only a problem when they carry or imply a threat. Especially a threat of violence.
Name calling, in itself, is simply childish. But it's a reflection of the current fear that decent people feel, when inappropriate names are applied, simply because they are different.
Words such as ->-bleeped-<- are offensive because they seek to isolate and instill discomfort. The word itself is simply a corruption of black.
Calling a woman a whore, for example, implies she is less valid, based upon the notion that a whore deserves to be missused.
Calling a professor, The Bald Geek may be observationally accurate, (or not). But it undermines his position and what he is trying to do.
Any epithet is relevant only within context. When it alludes to a personal matter, skin colour, hair status, sexuality or gender, it is an uninvited intrustion.
That someone is transgendered, whatever their current status, is an essentially personal matter. It is relevant only to those expecting an intimate relationship. In any other context, to highlight what is an irrelvance, implies hostilitiy and suggests an unheathy preoccupation.
In addition to those stated above, I find I hate the phrase "Gender Bender". It just bothers me for some reason. It implies that I'm pretending to be another gender, but in my mind, I'm not pretending.
->-bleeped-<-, and obvious use of the wrong pronoun.
I try to disarm the word "->-bleeped-<-" through comedy. It's one of those things thats OK for me to say with my close friends, but if anyone else said it to me I'd be pissed.
delusional old ->-bleeped-<-got
pervert ->-bleeped-<-got
->-bleeped-<-got wannabee
Any term that implies we're delusional (such as "disturbed man", "confused man", etc.) I find that these ones are most popular with religious haters.
Quote from: Dee_pntx on September 23, 2010, 02:53:09 AM
Well, think about it. Wouldn't you be angry if someone called you a woman?
You're obviously a man, going by your avatar and little gender indicator and I'm pretty sure you feel good when people say to you "Hey, what's up man?" or, you know...
I'm a woman. If someone calls me a man I'm going to be extremely upset.
I don't have anything against men, it's just that I'm not one. Ya know?
:)
I absolutely agree with that :)
Quote from: Fencesitter on September 23, 2010, 06:35:38 AM
"man who wants to be a woman"
"man who believes he's a woman"
"man who wants to become a woman"
and vice versa for FTMs
I have been called these very things quoted above ... to my face ... by genetic girls! Hot, young ones too. Fact is, I cannot deny any of their assertions. ;)
I'm out of my league here and cannot think of any other names ... sorry.
Fencesitter, you totally rock, man. I love it whenever you kick into overdrive and exegete, pontificate and wax profound about this, that and the other thing. The posts you've done that are long, convoluted albeit cogent and coherent amp me up. It's like major Q factor resonance kicks in and approaches laminar flow of thought: What a joy they are to read. Aha! Fencesitter is not somebody who thinks in words ... phrases ... sentences ... paragraphs ... stories ..., but rather he thinks in full-blown and ever-evolving dissertations! Alright! A kindred soul!
Were we not a generation or so apart, I'd IM you. Don't worry ... I won't IM you. I just think it SO rocks whenever you kick into dissertation mode! :D
@Cowboi
Any news about your paper?
Dear Lacey Lynne,
you're making me blush here, and feel free to contact me, I'd be happy as I love your postings too. But frankly, I don't like it myself when my posts get too long, however I can't seem to help myself there. Problem is, I don't think in words, but in pictures, and I need to translate them into words anyway for internet communication. (So you're totally right, I really don't think in words, phrases, sentences - you got me here!) Moreover, in my mind, I often see like diagrams and schemes filled with pictures, or many things interacting with each other and influencing each other. It's like 3-dimensional webs or snow crystals full of pictures which rotate, transform themselves and get more elaborate and detailed, and get more and more items and connections between the items the more I think or learn about a topic. They're a bit like screensavers or growing trees. In Real Life, when I discuss things with people or am asked to explain stuff, I often ask for a sheet of paper and a crayon to make schemes and drawings, sometimes it's very difficult for me to explain things without that visual help. (I'm curious to know how you think, Lacey Lynne.)
I need to put my "thought webs" into linear, ordered, structured text to make myself understood in forums, which is why my postings get long - I don't want to pick just one single item if it's strongly influenced by other things. But if I skip too much explanation of the connections, my stuff would read as confusing as if it had been written by Timothy Leary on LSD. (Scribbling diagrams and posting them here wouldn't be of much help either, I think.) Written text is step-by-step and therefore quite different from my "thought webs" at a given moment which then are simultaneous instead. I try to put the most important points in bold where the most important items of my thought webs are seated, so it's a bit less annoying for my readers to get a fast glimpse of what I'm writing. But there's not much more I can do there right now. :-\
Also, I am no native speaker, this is another reason why I make such long postings as I sometimes lack the words or expressions to get to the point fast, or I am afraid to get misunderstood so I rephrase some of my stuff. And I have to use the words I know and I read lots of scientific stuff in English, or I use French words and make them look English hoping that they'll work, so my vocabulary is kind of well... unnatural for a forum. Plus as a German native speaker, well Germans tend to make never-ending, horribly nested sentences as you can do that with German language without a problem, and I don't break down sentences in English as much as I should. All this makes my postings sound overblown, an effect I don't like but I hope it will get better over time as my English improves. I envy those who can rephrase my huge postings in three sentences and get to the point immediately, that's much better for forums anyway. My style would be better for blogs.