I just visited a site and oh my god, how extremely beautiful they are! I am so happy for them but at the same time for some weird reason it really depresses me. There is absolutely no way I could ever even come close to their beauty...one of the benefits of starting at a younger age...I didnt start howmones until I was 36
They might have had ffs.Can you post a link to the site I'm curious.
I have learned not to torture myself in such a fashion.
Even if you start young it's no guarantee, You don't know how viciously envious and green I get of other some younger some older MTF's on here but I seem to be of the generally younger group but yeah I think they are so much better looking than I could ever hope to or expect to be and I look and see masculine bone traits in the mirror and it makes my dysphora worse. And I feel like strangling myself for not starting when I was 17 or 14 or 10 or whatever.
But when you start thinking like that you begin comparing your life to others and you think that you should have started younger and that's not fair on yourself your situation was radically different and you did what you had to do and thought was right at the time, You have every reason to lament what you lost but we all lost something and no matter how young you were you could have been younger and we share that feeling,
It helps you more to think on why you did transition now and why you needed to go at 36 instead of when your 46 or 56... Try to take solace in what you have got and decide what you need to do from there to make your peace. :)
I was very fortunate. My puberty was halted at tanner stage 3 when I was 13, and I was able to start HRT at age 16 and had GRS the day after my 18th birthday. I don't compare my life to anybody. My life started at age 18 when I was rid of the hated male appendage which I should have never been born with in the first place. I am 22 now and have never looked back. My only regret is that I am not able to have children. I am not sure if science will ever be able to help there.
And just looking at many pics of the women on here, in various stages of transition...
A whole huge bunch of them and the boyz in fact are better than average male female looking?
I could log onto the elite models website.... and then what you find out is that media modules are physical freaks....atypical of what normal women are all about....
Models make up a tiny % of the 'real' population, but are all we ever see in books, TV's film, magazines etc...
But they are not the norm...
So as someone else say's why keep torturing yerself?
Cruella with her experience of advertising will know and confirm what I also know from years of experience in broadcasting. 99% of models are heavily airbrushed and photoshopped. See some of them in real life and whilst they are along way from being ugly they certainly don't look so pulse racing.
Same goes for a lot of the stuff on the internet in general. The internet is not reality folks! Most of it is a tweaked version of reality designed to sell you something or other, yes even people's personal sites - mostly they are trying to sell you the idea that they are younger/prettier/fitter/cleverer (delete as appropriate) than they are in real life!
For that reason photos online are the wrong yardstick. Fact is I KNOW for certain I can walk down our local high street without makeup and look as good as, if not better than, perhaps 80% of the women of my age! That's good enough.
Ok so put me up against some young airbrushed and photoshopped model and I don't look so hot but I can live with that because my photo is unmanipulated and real! Theirs aren't.
A few random thoughts:
1. even among the GG crowd, there are gorgeous women, pretty women, average women, and homely women. All the timing in the world can't overcome bad genes (and i don't mean gender genes here)
2. photography is less trustworthy than ever these days, depending on the sight I wouldn't assume the given woman is really all that hot if you saw her at the grocery or the park.
3. while none of us here post pics which seem to strive for "runway model glamor", I would say just in the "average everyday good looks" (like one might see in the facebook av of a GG, for instance) that some of our members can hold their own with any collection I've seen. and of course, realistically, not all of us can - but I refer you back to point #1
4. All that said, YES, as a general principle, starting younger is better. but that's not a death sentence in terms of being attractive. i've not taken the first hormone, had the first surgery, or even laser - and still have 100 pounds of ugly fat I don't want...and yet I'm still already better looking than I had ever hoped to be and way better looking than "he" was. I can imagine, realistically, that if I had the money to address all those issues, and partake of a few other minimal treatments, I could pull off a reasonably above average MILF look. and i think many here have way more going for them than me.
5. In reference to #4, I, for one, have no real sense of needing to compare to the glamor girls. I'm never going to be a model or walk the red carpet or anything so the utility of that is limited. If I'm going to measure myself against any other standard than "girl next door" or "MILF" attractivness (which is basically what I'm going for) then MAYBE I might give in to the temptation of being jealous of the "sex kitten" or "bimbo" stereotype ...but that probably just goes back to my inner slut trying to get out again, lol.
We can't all become the persons we once hoped we might be. Instead of looking to others we regard as superior in one aspect or another, let us look at ourselves and the road travelled. Look at who you are, how you have grown as a person and ask yourself if your life would truly be richer underneath a vast amount of cosmetics, false praise and photoshop skills. Nothing is actually made better by praise as true strength and beauty comes from the person itself, not from others.
here is a link
http://www.tgguide.com/ (http://www.tgguide.com/)
then scroll down and look right below the following line: Meet T-Girls and Admirers in Los Angeles
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By the way I just LOVE these little icon buggers
Quote from: iris1469 on September 23, 2010, 01:42:21 PM
here is a link
http://www.tgguide.com/ (http://www.tgguide.com/)
then scroll down and look right below the following line: Meet T-Girls and Admirers in Los Angeles
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By the way I just LOVE these little icon buggers
I see your problem - you are beingtaken in.
those people in the pics -
don't live in LA!On my page it says "See T-Girls and admirers in [my town]"
You find this on every site that's partnered with a dating site, AFF or whatever - "see what (we think) you are looking for in [your home town] by coming to our site"
it's a lie.
the people in the pics are NOT available through the site, DON'T live in your town, and are quite possibly not even trans.
and their pic has definitely been airbrushed and shopped and so forth.
I know this because I live in a small town and if any of those "t-girls" actually lived here, I would know them.
Girls have to put up with what they get.
That's the way it's always been.
But at the risk of sounding cliche, beauty comes from inside.
Yeah, Tammy's right. Those girls don't live in LA at all, they live in my little town, here in the South of England.
edit, accedently wrote Tanny.
Really sorry Tammy
just to prove the point, I refreashed that page several times and so far i've counted 30 seperate "hot T-girls" in this town of 8,000 or so that I never knew about before, though for some reason "sluttybitch" on one page has a different pic but the same name on a refresh and then the girl who originally had that name shows up with a different name on the next refresh.
that should give you an idea how fake it is. 100-1 says none of those girls are actually trans at all.
Oh, and some of our members are just as pretty as they are.
Like I said folks, NEVER confuse the internet with reality!
The two are NOT the same.
Take it from an old timer who has been around online since the days of JANET and ARPANET (pre 1970's)!
Darn it and I didn't start hormones until I was 48, no hope for me then, lol. Now where did I put my photoshop software and airbrush plugin..........
It is fake on that site and seems a bit doggy too.
Stardust
I live in a college town, and there are some really cute, pretty college girls here. Will I ever look like them? Not unless I get a body and age transplant. Then I look around, and there are some OK college girls and a few that were not blessed. They're still a lot younger than I am, but I then realize that I'm doing OK for an old broad - especially for one with decades of testosterone-poisoning.
Don't compare yourself to the most gorgeous. Who are you? Are you a good person? Are you working to become the best person you can be? Looks are nice, but what kind of person are you?
In another few years all humans will be depressed because they aren't as pretty as animes.
- Kate
Quote from: stardust on September 23, 2010, 04:28:08 PM
Darn it and I didn't start hormones until I was 48, no hope for me then, lol. Now where did I put my photoshop software and airbrush plugin..........
It is fake on that site and seems a bit doggy too.
Stardust
To be fair - the pics were just in an ad...the site itself might be fine.
Heck, even the site advertised might be fine. that "here's a (bogus) pic of a person in your town" routine is pretty standard fare for all hook-up sites.
It might be dodgey, even for them - but it also might be as credible as any of the rest of them (ever how credible you find such sites to be)
it's a given that (now) here in 2010...
If kids with TG issues are picked up the hormonal management is tres better....
And the results less distressing (apart from maybe the parents) for all involved...
But this ideal is not one most of the posters on this site have benefited from....
But there are many stories here of people who did transition late in life and still make it through....
If the terms of success if we were only measured on the external appearances and whether you look like (dial in nation of choice) supermodel...
Then we would have all mostly patently failed...
But fortunately most of us live in the real world as opposed to a fantasy one....
Take a look at my profile pic.. It's been obviously photoshopped.. I could just as easily made the changes far less obvious.. I haven't started HRT yet, so my face/body is entirely masculine, so you can see wht can be done with a little photoshop work.. I evened out skin tone, removed beard shadow and softened a few of the lines and wrinkles..
The reality is that I don't expect to look like anything but an "Average Woman" and that's fine.. As long as I'm the best person I can be to go with it..
These "truly beautiful" women are very, very much a minority.. Just as they are in the GG population..
I'm also fairly sure that none of the girls pictured on that site live in my town..
Just for a laugh, I signed up to a trans dating site, and none of the girls there look quite that good.. Wouldn't surprise me if the pics you linked to were GG's..
MtF's are gorgeous. Just saying.
Hey, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and we are some of our own worst critics. I see some trans girls on one of the dating sites I visit and some right here on Susan's and think "Dang... Wish I could look that good"
Granted, I don't plan on winning any beauty contests any time soon and it shocks the stuff out of me when someone says I'm good looking
But hey, I'm the only me I've got so I'm just gonna do the best with what few features I've got goin' for me and not worry on it too much
eh, to be honest I have seen prettier women here on susans.
Quote from: Tammy Hope on September 23, 2010, 02:08:01 PM
I see your problem - you are beingtaken in.
those people in the pics - don't live in LA!
On my page it says "See T-Girls and admirers in [my town]"
You find this on every site that's partnered with a dating site, AFF or whatever - "see what (we think) you are looking for in [your home town] by coming to our site"
it's a lie.
the people in the pics are NOT available through the site, DON'T live in your town, and are quite possibly not even trans.
and their pic has definitely been airbrushed and shopped and so forth.
I know this because I live in a small town and if any of those "t-girls" actually lived here, I would know them.
This ^ ... That's what they do... Those girls could be from anywhere and may not even be trans women
It's a "come on"... Kinda like a store or car dealer that just happens to be out of the advertised special but can hook you up for just a bit extra and an extra more and an extra more besides after that :P
You are all so sweet and have tried VERY hard to help me through this, and I really appreciate it. But you are missing the point, those girls could be from Mars, that doesnt matter, but my source of depression is their superior beauty and passibility!!!
Did I mention that some of us tend to be our own worst critics? Maybe your judging yourself too harshly
Maybe you pass just as well if not better than they do... But being better than or just as good as isn't the point either
Let's see your girl pic. again
Well I will put back up my pic, but I need for you to understand that it was taken before hormones (10 months) and I dont show a lot of skin.......I have been told that I am my own worst critic and that I judge myself way too harshly,,,but whatever
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Well, the pic.s in the post aren't showing... But judging from your avatar... I'm not sure what your worried about
here is another one, wig mind you
Quote from: K8 on September 23, 2010, 07:27:06 PM
I live in a college town, and there are some really cute, pretty college girls here. Will I ever look like them? Not unless I get a body and age transplant. Then I look around, and there are some OK college girls and a few that were not blessed. They're still a lot younger than I am, but I then realize that I'm doing OK for an old broad - especially for one with decades of testosterone-poisoning.
Don't compare yourself to the most gorgeous. Who are you? Are you a good person? Are you working to become the best person you can be? Looks are nice, but what kind of person are you?
In another few years all humans will be depressed because they aren't as pretty as animes.
- Kate
That. I've been guilty of that for years. However, understanding what is real and what isn't sorted me out. Seeing past the anime cuteness, I've realized that I indeed am cute and pretty enough for a real human being. :D
Anyway those AFF ads are fully fake. I've also developed plenty of dating sites for clients and they all wanted thumbnail advertisements that pick out random fake pictures and names. Those profiles don't even exist. The ad title and location are dynamic. Take it from a web developer who developed hundreds of dating websites over a period of eight years.
Quote from: iris1469 on September 23, 2010, 11:35:38 PM
You are all so sweet and have tried VERY hard to help me through this, and I really appreciate it. But you are missing the point, those girls could be from Mars, that doesnt matter, but my source of depression is their superior beauty and passibility!!!
you are going to have a long depressing life if you continue to compare yourself to lovely young women.
There will always be those while you have missed the boat twice so to speak - once by being born male and second by waiting until now to try to feminise.
Forget about competing with GGs and do the best with what you have.
The green god of envy tends to plague women. If only I had her breasts, if only her hair if only etc.
There was a fascinating article about advertising pics, Cruelladeville may remember it as she is in advertising, I cannot remember where it was. Anyhow, they took a very attractive female model, professional make up artists and hair dressers worked on her, and she looked gorgeous. The photographer took the pics in the best lights etc, she was more stunning. They then photo-shopped her, lengthened her neck, raised her cheek bones, reduced her nose, changed her eye colour etc. That was the picture that went on the front of the magazine. A person who it is utterly impossible to look like.
As for pics in sites, most are lifted from other areas, nothing in such sites are probably legitimate. It's like dating agencies, "Gorgeous 6 foot guy, well dressed, handsome and lean and fit wishes to meet TG lady for long term loving relationship.' You phone up, Oh sorry he has just been taken , but we do have Brad and Tom, they are older., bald and have beer bellies, smell and are obnoxious. I think they are really into sex and that's about it, You want to meet them?
Cindy :-* :-* :-* :-*
BTW I reckon all the girls on this site are gorgeous. Some really hot guys too :embarrassed:
The words "if only" are deadly to your happiness. If only I was pretty. If only I was younger. If only I had been born female. If only I had transitioned earlier. If only I was rich. If only I had better parents.
Your life starts now. You have to work from where you are now to get to where you want to go. Worrying about regrets and "if only"s saps your energy and can blind you to opportunities that present themselves in the here and now.
Carpe diem. (This diem won't be around again.)
- Kate
Iris I personally think you look pretty bloody good, and if I was a guy I would defo say Hi and ask if you were free tonight.
It's all airbrush and photoshop these days in the modelling business I'm afraid. Local top model Kristy Hinze says she has awful skin from all the heavy photo make-up too, for what it's worth.
I used to tape (yes, I am that old!) talk shows during the day, when I knew they were having either drag or transgender themes. Sally Raphael, Donahue, Maury, etc. They had many very glamorous, extraordinarily beautiful transwomen on. Most, however, had had extensive silicone injections. DEADLY!! While the results are nothing less than spectacular, I saw one woman that said she couldn't feel anything by touch anymore, and anyone touching her would feel something "solid" because of all the silicone just under her skin. Here in Florida there have recently been arrests for "pump" parties where someone with a little i.e. deadly, amount of knowledge pumps a lot of often home builders grade silicone into GG as well as trans women. You can get a J lo ass, at the risk of infections, silicone migration, and deadly clots. So not worth it.
Also, as an interesting aside, many high end models are actually intersexed males with a specific anomaly. Their bodies produce absolutely no testosterone receptors. They typically have very short uterus, and testicles residing up where a genetic female has ovaries. That means that even though they produce fairly large amounts of T, it has no effect because of no receptors. GG's produce relatively small amounts of T, but have T receptors so every woman has some male features, while these genetic males do not. They look more "female" then GG's. It occurs in about 1 to 1500 males, but I saw an estimate that maybe 5% of high end female models have it.
I mention this to point out that competition is difficult or futile. By the way, google "before after airbrushed models" to go to sites with great before and after photos. Jezebel.com (love that site name) has a famous one of Faith Hill on the cover of Redbook. It caused a great deal of conversation when it was posted, about impossible standards for women. I believe that it inspired the Dove Campaign for Real Beauty where they used actual women, with flaws, in their ads and have been trying to start conversations worldwide to establish realistic beauty ideals. There are also ad campaigns by Haines that have real women in their underwear, size 14 not 0, and they are sexy and beautiful!
Envy can be a nasty thing to deal with. It can be hard, maybe almost impossible to avoid. I've often been watching tv and found myself thinking "God I wished I was that young and looked that good.". But hell I'm happy with my life, and really would I change anything? Nah, not on your life.
The grass may look greener on the other side but it must take an awful lot of work to make it that way. ;)
Steph
Quote from: iris1469 on September 24, 2010, 12:47:37 AM
Well I will put back up my pic, but I need for you to understand that it was taken before hormones (10 months) and I dont show a lot of skin.......I have been told that I am my own worst critic and that I judge myself way too harshly,,,but whatever
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dont feel so bad i am the same way, its normal for women to be critical about there looks. Its actually normal. That being said, i wonder how we would look if we got the model photoshop treatment heh.
Quote from: Elijah on September 23, 2010, 10:54:06 PM
eh, to be honest I have seen prettier women here on susans.
That's what I thought! But the pictures of the women/girls I've seen on Susan's have all been very beautiful.
But, like Virginia said, everyone is their own worst critic. I've no real hope of looking male no matter what, but I've been told given practice and a swap of clothes and a shorter haircut and I should be able to pass-especially once on T.
Quote from: iris1469 on September 23, 2010, 11:35:38 PM
You are all so sweet and have tried VERY hard to help me through this, and I really appreciate it. But you are missing the point, those girls could be from Mars, that doesnt matter, but my source of depression is their superior beauty and passibility!!!
Where does "passability" come in if they
are not trans?
and if they lied to you about where they were from, what makes you think they told the truth about their gender status?
Beauty and passability come from within, no really it does. Being comfortable with who you are is half the battle, maybe 3/4 of the battle. Ok good bone structure helps too. Lord knows I can change expression and look guyish, but then whats the fun with that.
Beni
yarra, yarra, yarra, certain truths or stereotypes are true because they invoke mechanisms in our brains that are fundamentally basic and built in!
Such as beauty which is represented by specific geometry of a relationship of form and scale. Basic mathematical equations. It is true, beautiful people get further in life with less effort but it does not mean it is a given, such as you can see, not all successful folks are gorgeous.
But we all tend to yearn for such beauty and since beginning of times, time after time we are being reminded of this scenario. Unfortunately, such equation is as predictable as toss of a die, most of us end up with the wrong end of a stick. Oh well! It didn't make any difference to me until I finally decided that my life can not proceed any further and I need to embrace woman in me. Oh boy, didn't I open Pandora's box. Suddenly vanity stood in my front door step demanding I let her in. Mirror became real bad old mirror, which I wished upon a star would tell me who is the most gorgeous of them all, but mirror always said: who, this bloke you are talking about?
So there, yes, there are real, I men REAL gorgeous transsexuals there, I know few personally, and the only distinguishable feature between them and famous movie (girl) stars is that they don't have their Hollywood star yet. Yes, I do get jealous, and angry, and pissed off and at the end I look within and know that weather beautiful or not I must go on regardless.
Love to all not so gorgeous gurls out there, don't worry, enjoy our time here cause it ain't forever even for those beautiful ones!
Quote from: K8 on September 23, 2010, 07:27:06 PM
I live in a college town, and there are some really cute, pretty college girls here. Will I ever look like them? Not unless I get a body and age transplant. Then I look around, and there are some OK college girls and a few that were not blessed. They're still a lot younger than I am, but I then realize that I'm doing OK for an old broad - especially for one with decades of testosterone-poisoning.
Don't compare yourself to the most gorgeous. Who are you? Are you a good person? Are you working to become the best person you can be? Looks are nice, but what kind of person are you?
In another few years all humans will be depressed because they aren't as pretty as animes.
- Kate
As ever, these are VERY WISE words from K8.
Kate is so right. This is the perspective to have. Honestly, even among gg's, very few, percentage-wise, are truly good-looking. Just cruise Wal-Mart sometime and take a look around. There, you will find many real women of the real world who are a long, long way from being knock-outs.
Kate, I wish I had your wisdom and maturity. Me? Way deep, deep down inside, I want to be so young and so hot that guys are thunder-struck into catalepsy whenever they see me, and girls seethe with envy! :D
Sorry. Yeah, I know, I know ..., I'm pathetic. :-\ Hey, at least I'm honest! ;)
Lacey
Quote from: Lacey Lynne on September 25, 2010, 01:10:49 AM
As ever, these are VERY WISE words from K8.
Kate is so right. This is the perspective to have. Honestly, even among gg's, very few, percentage-wise, are truly good-looking. Just cruise Wal-Mart sometime and take a look around. There, you will find many real women of the real world who are a long, long way from being knock-outs.
Kate, I wish I had your wisdom and maturity. Me? Way deep, deep down inside, I want to be so young and so hot that guys are thunder-struck into catalepsy whenever they see me, and girls seethe with envy! :D
Sorry. Yeah, I know, I know ..., I'm pathetic. :-\ Hey, at least I'm honest! ;)
Lacey
HEY, dont knock yourself!! Seriously, there are plenty of people in the world who will cut us down, we need to love ourselves and dont be hard on yourself...ALL girls want that!!! ME too
Actually I will be happy to be known as "that ugly bikey mole down the road", if I am no longer Mr!
I don't care really, there are plenty of really ugly unfortunate-looking cis-women in this town so I should fit right in!
I understand that passing as female, no mattter if we are pretty or ugle doesnt really m atter, PAASSABILITY is the most iportant thing.....
THini pisiticve
wow. This topic got me goin'n'ramblin', see below :)
Early transition? Of course it matters in reaching some female physical characteristics but if your genes say "you're gonna be ugly" then you gonna be, no matter if you're a boy or a girl. And if the genes say you have to be pretty then you'll be.
The main question is, do you FEEL beautiful? Even though I consider myself somewhat ugly for a woman, I still have a radiation most people don't. I always smile when talking to someone and their reaction to that makes me feel beautiful :)
Quote from: iris1469
those girls could be from Mars
err, did you want to say Venus? :)
btw, why do you want to be like them? Beauty in itself is nothing. Do you want to be an image and no more? I mean, what do beautiful looking people do when they're at home alone? Looking at themselves in the mirror til they get tired and then go to sleep or what? :) Would you trade your personality to be like one of them? Think about that.
This reminds me when I was a member of a local T-forum and one of the girls who was deep into transition, started advertising some kind of special diet in her posts. It had nothing to do with being TS or weight loss and such, it was just the weird new diet of the day, usually fed to all the girls and women of the planet, underlined with some pseudo-scientific explanation. I asked her if she wanted to be a woman only to follow the stupid things some marketing execs tell her to? Only because women have the "right" to discuss and try out various diets even if they're totally healthy (it is socially accepted behavior and sometimes a requirement too), just by doing so doesn't make someone a better woman, does it?
Quote from: alexia elliot
not all successful folks are gorgeous
yes, there are some exceptionally ugly among them as well because they've built up their whole lives to prove that they're strong enough to survive without the looks :) It sounds like a joke but you rarely find average-looking people among the cream coz neither they have the motivation of the ugly nor the easy chances of the beautiful. For example, my old gf actually liked that I was not the most handsome guy in town (to say the least) because in exchange I had loads of motivation to get ahead, to prove that I'm no less than the others. I was also pretty good in bed, for the very same reason :)
Quote from: alexia elliot
Such as beauty which is represented by specific geometry of a relationship of form and scale.
That's true, and this is encoded in our brains to be able to quickly identify the most suitable mating partner. And while I know that I can't really switch off those age old mechanisms, I wonder just how much use they have for me. I mean, I can't have children so why would I worry about having the perfect genes for me and my partner? I see it as one less difficulty in my life to think about :)
Quote from: iris1469
ALL girls want that!!!
hehe, first I wanted to say this is a generalization but come to think of it, it may be true. Probably all the
girls want that, but not all the
women. I'm in the second category :)
When I was a child I often imagined myself as a runway model. And while it's somewhat sad that I hadn't become one, now it's no more than just another dream which I didn't succeed in realizing. There are others I'm working on and I'd suggest the same to you as well :)
oh and finally two links about beauty which contain some interesting facts and whatnot:
http://www.secondtype.info/beauty.htm (http://www.secondtype.info/beauty.htm)
http://femininebeauty.info/fashion-model-basics (http://femininebeauty.info/fashion-model-basics)
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wow...are you telling me that I am ugly???? NO!!!! I dont mean to be but I am very vain
Quote from: iris1469 on September 25, 2010, 11:18:48 AM
wow...are you telling me that I am ugly???? NO!!!! I dont mean to be but I am very vain
huh, did I just say that? :) I was talking in general, not about a specific person... You shouldn't take offensively what it isn't.
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oh sorry Im a tard......bipolar actually sorry
that's tough. I'll try to be more careful next time...
I told you in another topic that you look just fine and I meant it. And I'll never look half as good, if that's a consolation :)
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No looking better than another does NOT make me feel good at all
and further more I AM bipolar. that is part of the cause of my up and downess
that is why I get a crazy check! seriously
I saw a very attractive woman at lunch today. She looked to be in her forties. As I watched her I realized that she really wasn't that pretty. But she had a haircut that really suited her, she evidently knew what clothes suited her looks, and her animation made her very appealing. Everything put together made her quite attractive.
The lesson I got from that is that if you pay attention to how your look is put together, and you are lively and assured, you can look really good even with not-so-great features. It's not what we start with but what we do with what we have that counts.
- Kate
Quote from: K8 on September 25, 2010, 06:56:04 PM
It's not what we start with but what we do with what we have that counts.
- Kate
True that... and pretty much all of the make up companies will be glad to give pointers on how to accentuate your best features... Mostly to sell their products granted... But they will give great advise
Finding the look(s) and products, clothes and shoes that work for you is key
@ superkitty036:
Kitty, personally, I think you are quite cute indeed ... I'm not flirting; I'm just saying. With hormone replacement therapy and time, you'll only get cuter and cuter. Rock on, girl! ;)
Quote from: Lacey Lynne on September 26, 2010, 11:36:22 PM
@ superkitty036:
Kitty, personally, I think you are quite cute indeed ... I'm not flirting; I'm just saying. With hormone replacement therapy and time, you'll only get cuter and cuter. Rock on, girl! ;)
She is right and whatever HRT doesnt fix there is always surgery. I mean if HRT could turn me from a "Russian Mafia Goomba" to a "girl next door" anything is really possible. ^_^ Also, a lot of people get cosmetic work.
By looking at your avatar I am a bit jealous of you!
Quote from: Dana Lane on September 27, 2010, 12:08:41 PM
By looking at your avatar I am a bit jealous of you!
Dont be hun...you are very pretty and have nothing to be jealous of!!! :-*
Quote from: Izumi on September 27, 2010, 11:55:25 AM
I mean if HRT could turn me from a "Russian Mafia Goomba" to a "girl next door" anything is really possible. ^_^ Also, a lot of people get cosmetic work.
Well Izumi, in order for me to look as good as you do I would need to join mafia as well and a good paying mafia at that!
I have often felt like Kitty - but then seeing some real - true to life MTFs - that I thought were beautiful - actually gave me hope. Hope that there were in fact medications that work. That if they could do it - so could I. Of all ages. But then of course - like with all people - real women come in all variations. I have seen lots of real women that are hardly passable - as women. I have seen cross dressers that are prettier than many girls. Being pretty is hard work.
Quote from: alexia elliot on September 27, 2010, 03:43:02 PM
Well Izumi, in order for me to look as good as you do I would need to join mafia as well and a good paying mafia at that!
You look pretty good to me in your picture. ^_^
Not to mention that your daughter probably would have never existed if you had been able to go that route :-\
Show me a woman who tells you she does not want to look like someone else and I will show you a liar. We are all such vain creatures. All women dream of being beautiful and glamorous. Just part of the game. I have burned up waaaaay too much energy in doing that. I keep reminding myself that I can pass and, while guys don't hover around me, they don't make a bee line for the nearest exit. I guess I should not dare hope for more. Somewhere along the line we have to be happy and accept who we are and I think that is the hardest thing for us to do.
@ Izumi:
Absolutely true, what you said about surgery. There are some surgeons out there who are true artists, and it's amazing what they can do. Money, of course, is the issue. Naturally, the best ones are way expensive and, thereby, out of the reach of many people here. However, folks CAN get these surgeries if they really want to. People take out car loans every day that are as much or more in face value than most of the surgeries you are talking about. Many of us on here DO have THAT option. It's just a matter of how much we really want the surgery and if we can somehow fit it into the budget. Not everbody can, and I deeply feel for these people. If I ever make serious money, I want to set up a trust to fund GRS/SRS and cosmetic surgeries and counseling sessions for the less fortunate among our trans community.
Lastly, I get a kick out of your reference to the Mafia. People generally think the Sicilian Mafia is the toughest, but the Russian Mafia is reputedly VERY tough. However, even they don't outdo the Thai Mafia. Those are some cruel mo' fo's.
I can just imagine Izumi the Russian Mob Boss:
"Donna Izumi, I've come to pay my respects, capice?" :D Omerta! Just kidding! ;)
Sentimental Journey:
Jump into the Time Machine ... back to the U.S.S.R. ... Great memories from childhood:
THE BEATLES BACK IN THE U.S.S.R (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHD5nd3QLTg#noexternalembed)
I simply admire any beautiful woman whether she is cis or trans. They deserve it whether it was born or aquired. I do not think I am even entitled to be jealous of them. Any woman, whether she is beautiful or ugly, is more feminine than me. It is a plain fact that I can not deny.
A stereotype here is that m2f transsexual person should be more beautiful and sexy than most GGs. But there are a lot of m2fs who just look ordinary.
At least, I think I am better than most women in having a body that has been shaped by steady exercise. Even most beautiful women envy it. This is my last resort.
Barbie~~
Quote from: barbie on September 28, 2010, 11:23:26 AM
I simply admire any beautiful woman whether she is cis or trans. They deserve it whether it was born or aquired. I do not think I am even entitled to be jealous of them. Any woman, whether she is beautiful or ugly, is more feminine than me. It is a plain fact that I can not deny.
A stereotype here is that m2f transsexual person should be more beautiful and sexy than most GGs. But there are a lot of m2fs who just look ordinary.
At least, I think I am better than most women in having a body that has been shaped by steady exercise. Even most beautiful women envy it. This is my last resort.
Barbie~~
I hear you....I too work out very hard,, and because of that I have a really banging midsection that most women admire......Actually, ill be honest, i get a kick out of it when GG's are like looking at me, jaw dragging on the ground!!! One of the few perks!!!
Interestingly, when I was young, I thought beautiful womem are those who have a pretty face. As I am getting old, the most sexy women to my eyes are those who have a very slim waist. Even their faces are not so much pretty, women with thin waist attract me so strongly. Probably I am looking for women who resemble me, or I want to look like a woman who I may think is sexy.
Barbie~~
Quote from: barbie on September 28, 2010, 11:55:30 AM
Interestingly, when I was young, I thought beautiful womem are those who have a pretty face. As I am getting old, the most sexy women to my eyes are those who have a very slim waist. Even their faces are not so much pretty, women with thin waist attract me so strongly. Probably I am looking for women who resemble me, or I want to look like a woman who I may think is sexy.
Barbie~~
My ex girlfriend had me totally beat. She was sooooooooooooo sexxxy! She had a perfect hourglass figure...i really miss her..we almost got married
Quote from: barbie on September 28, 2010, 11:55:30 AM
Interestingly, when I was young, I thought beautiful womem are those who have a pretty face. As I am getting old, the most sexy women to my eyes are those who have a very slim waist. Even their faces are not so much pretty, women with thin waist attract me so strongly. Probably I am looking for women who resemble me, or I want to look like a woman who I may think is sexy.
Barbie~~
Beauty is subjective, although the principles are there. If two people look at the same woman one might think she looks beautiful, and the other not, its all how we as individuals have our own tastes.
Quote from: superkitty036 on September 28, 2010, 11:30:09 AM
I hear you....I too work out very hard,, and because of that I have a really banging midsection that most women admire......Actually, ill be honest, i get a kick out of it when GG's are like looking at me, jaw dragging on the ground!!! One of the few perks!!!
@ superkitty036:
Hey, Kitty, I hear ya! Because of your youth, I'm sure you look better than me, but I work out intensely too. You will be pleased to know that you can keep blowin' their minds into a much older age than you are now. Love it ... hee hee! :D Yes, this old gal gets the looks from both sexes these days, especially at the legs and the hips. Yeah, it's tons of fun. What's WAY fun is getting literally stared at (in a good way) by genetic girls half your age or less! Wahoo!
Hey, you gotta take what you got and rock with it! You are very pretty, and I'm sure you blow many minds when you are out and about. Strut your stuff, girl! ;)
Quote from: Izumi on September 28, 2010, 12:07:09 PM
Beauty is subjective, although the principles are there. If two people look at the same woman one might think she looks beautiful, and the other not, its all how we as individuals have our own tastes.
@ Izumi:
That's totally true. Agree 100 percent.
Talking to a GG friend the other night, she was saying how jealous she was of my thin waist, and that she had a 20 inch waist when she was married. I replied 'but you have had two gorgeous children, something I can never have'. She replied, yes but I can still be jealous :laugh: ::) ::)
Cindy
Quote from: CindyJames on September 29, 2010, 02:57:56 AM
Talking to a GG friend the other night, she was saying how jealous she was of my thin waist, and that she had a 20 inch waist when she was married. I replied 'but you have had two gorgeous children, something I can never have'. She replied, yes but I can still be jealous :laugh: ::) ::)
Cindy
Same thing with the girls in my office, they notice things about me, make comments that i should wear more skirts and dresses because my legs and butt look really good to them, but then again i think they look better then me. One said she was jealous at my thighs. I personally am jealous of a lot more on her body though...
Quote from: barbie on September 28, 2010, 11:55:30 AM
Probably I am looking for women who resemble me
same here, but differently :) For some reason recently I started subconsciously noticing women who look somewhat like me. Don't know why it is, maybe I just want to see how do they fit in, how do they behave, dress, etc. Or I just want to know that there are indeed a few other tall and not-so-slim ones as myself :) It's important not to feel alone.
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Quote from: ggina on September 30, 2010, 01:40:27 PM
same here, but differently :) For some reason recently I started subconsciously noticing women who look somewhat like me. Don't know why it is, maybe I just want to see how do they fit in, how do they behave, dress, etc. Or I just want to know that there are indeed a few other tall and not-so-slim ones as myself :) It's important not to feel alone.
Me too. I found myself studying women more once I started RLE. I wanted to figure out why they looked good and how I could adapt that to my look. I also have noticed how many women have the same general body configuration that I do. (Who knew? :o)
I think it doesn't help to look at only the gorgeous women but to look at ones who look like you do, too. :)
- Kate
Quote from: Izumi on September 29, 2010, 01:19:48 PM
Same thing with the girls in my office, they notice things about me, make comments that i should wear more skirts and dresses because my legs and butt look really good to them,
Do you take them up on their comments Izumi, ever since I starting dating my Fiancé who is now my Husband, he was always telling me to wear more skirts, dresses and heels, I was more of a jeans girl, kept telling me my legs looked more elegant and my butt looked good in a tight skirt.
Now whenever we go out Im more of a dresses girl, heels can be not so comfy but very stylish, Iv grown to love heels, I surpose to confess Im a little vain, I do notice guys looking at my cleavage, legs and butt, just part of being a woman and being feminine.
My advice Izumi, go for it, your a beautiful woman, nothing to hide and everything to show that you are a pretty woman.
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I was also more of a dresses girl. Since ive met Michael when we go out, he doesnt want me uncovered in any way, I wear jeans. Thats the way all our men are, here in Greece. The ironic part is at home he wants me in tight shorts all the time. He has never said no to anything I asked of him, so I have to go with some of his requests. I truly feel we will be married within the next 2- 3 years.
Quote from: pretty pauline on September 30, 2010, 04:11:25 PM
Do you take them up on their comments Izumi, ever since I starting dating my Fiancé who is now my Husband, he was always telling me to wear more skirts, dresses and heels, I was more of a jeans girl, kept telling me my legs looked more elegant and my butt looked good in a tight skirt.
Now whenever we go out Im more of a dresses girl, heels can be not so comfy but very stylish, Iv grown to love heels, I surpose to confess Im a little vain, I do notice guys looking at my cleavage, legs and butt, just part of being a woman and being feminine.
My advice Izumi, go for it, your a beautiful woman, nothing to hide and everything to show that you are a pretty woman.
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Well with my line of work its hard to continuously dress in skirts and dresses, so i do when i know i wont be crawling around in the ceiling or doing work with large pieces of equipment needing to be moved.
Quote from: Angela Venetos on September 30, 2010, 04:23:46 PM
I was also more of a dresses girl. Since ive met Michael when we go out, he doesnt want me uncovered in any way, I wear jeans. Thats the way all our men are, here in Greece. The ironic part is at home he wants me in tight shorts all the time. He has never said no to anything I asked of him, so I have to go with some of his requests. I truly feel we will be married within the next 2- 3 years.
Seems more MTFs these days are getting married, i am surprised, if someone said I would end up getting hitched i would laugh it off thinking what straight guy would want me for a wife being TS and all, but seems it happens more frequently then i previously thought. Congratulations btw, i hope you two have a great life together, and yes boyfriends either want to show you off, or if they are insecure, they want you covered up so no one else gets you heh, but in the house its dress anyway you like, but better yet dress how they like, right?
Izumi thank you for youre wishes. I hope its been going well for you and your boyfriend as well. Also yes, dress how they like, at least most of the time. ;D When I first started to transition, I thought I would still be attracted to women. How wrong I was. But in the end it has worked out. Izumi, Im curious, if you had never met your current boyfriend, if you had the chance, would you get romantically involved with someone from your high school years ? This question goes for everyone here as well. This has been weighing on my mind for a while, I want to hear what other people would do.
Quote from: Angela Venetos on October 01, 2010, 12:30:22 AM
Izumi thank you for youre wishes. I hope its been going well for you and your boyfriend as well. Also yes, dress how they like, at least most of the time. ;D When I first started to transition, I thought I would still be attracted to women. How wrong I was. But in the end it has worked out. Izumi, Im curious, if you had never met your current boyfriend, if you had the chance, would you get romantically involved with someone from your high school years ? This question goes for everyone here as well. This has been weighing on my mind for a while, I want to hear what other people would do.
No i could not be romantically involved with them, it couldn't happen really. Most of my friends were girls ^_^, but a few guys maybe 3, all of which probably could never lose the image of what i used to look like in their minds no matter how i look, so i see it as an impossibility. Although, if I was born or met them as i am now yes, one in particular is a great guy that easily i could have fallen for. Today hes a stand up guy, takes care of his family and his responsibilities, and has a pretty good sense of humor. His wife is lucky to have him, last time i visited him i didnt get a chance to meet his family, but i cant wait to tell his wife about the trouble he got into as a teen. ^_^b.
I would guess it would be alright to tell her , since that was before she met him. :)
Quote from: Izumi on September 30, 2010, 06:32:52 PM
Seems more MTFs these days are getting married, i am surprised, if someone said I would end up getting hitched i would laugh it off thinking what straight guy would want me for a wife being TS and all, but seems it happens more frequently then i previously thought. Congratulations btw, i hope you two have a great life together, and yes boyfriends either want to show you off, or if they are insecure, they want you covered up so no one else gets you heh, but in the house its dress anyway you like, but better yet dress how they like, right?
Yes there are more MTFs getting married these days, maybe surprising maybe not, but its a good sign of the times. I would never have believed years ago Id now be married and married to a straight guy and being a housewife. Iv never been as happy and yes Mark wants to show me off lol, thats men for you. As I become a full time housewife I probably will dress to please Him more as he'll be paying lol its all about pleasing each other, its hard work being a housewife cooking and cleaning etc. but its hard work on my Man keeping a woman's needs lol He knows how to treat a woman. Thank you Izumi for your good wishes.
Quote from: Angela Venetos on October 01, 2010, 12:30:22 AM
When I first started to transition, I thought I would still be attracted to women. How wrong I was.
I was the very same, before my transition I could never see myself with a man, but that all changed as I went thru transition, as I became more feminine I became more attracted to men, when my transition was complete, I was completely attracted to men as a straight woman in a sense. I just wanted a guy to take care of me, except me as a woman, just be my dream guy, well Iv finally met Him, his name is Mark, he is now my husband, just hope I can be now a good Wife.
There was a guy years ago, just a mate, I wonder how Id feel about him now as Im now a woman, I haven't seen him since I transition, would I be attracted to him in that way, don't think he would, its not many guys who except a girl's trans history, hard to know till your in that situation.
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This thread is really interesting and informative. Any of you seen some of the transsexual women's stories listed on Lynn Conway's website and on Karen Serenity's website? There are several transgals listed on each of those sites who fully transitioned, found a genetic guy, hooked up and are very happy today. It DOES happen, and apparently, it happens much more often than I ever thought possible.
I admit that I've always been kind of in the dark about things like this. I have noticed that there seem to be guys who are very attracted to transwomen who are preop ... but then lose interest in them when they become postop. This is what I've observed. I could be wrong. Anyway, thanks for this great thread. Very interesting reading.
I believe that there are indeed a lot of guys who are attracted to MTF preop, but we are only a fantasy.....The men who are attracted to MTF's preop usually want to be on the receiving end of intercourse, which I personally could and would NEVER do. So hhmmm life is a trip
Nicole
xoxo