Hello,
My experience with intersexual knowledge has ranged with lots of research over the years. The one thing that has been hard to fit in anywhere is exposure to others that consider themselves intersexual, trans-, or of related lifestyle. Maybe this is just because of my prodigal isolation to the work I've being doing... computer science...
... agricultural biotechnology. You are what you eat!
I don't agree with any narrow definition of the word intersexual especially when word is used to describe idiopathic cases. Anotherwords, if you are able to come up with a simple narrow defintion of the word, then you are smarter and brighter than all the best minds, all the doctors, all the scientist, and anybody else who would have knowledge in this Earth about intersexuals.
Maybe sense there are said to be rare cases of intersexuals, that it takes these rare cases themselves to define something real behind the terminology. Doctors, and those that demand authority of the terminology, continue to linger with protest of semantics. In my case, forget semantics. I'm into technical details of dicreet logic where there is no room to debate semantics apply or not... they don't, period. There is no semantics to discreet logic. Scientist create the pen in order for the doctor to write the prescription.
That doesn't give the right to doctors to subdue and override the scientists as if they never existed or were never involved.
Logically, the prefix "inter-" means among or between. Most think you can do some chromosomal or karotype test to determine if intersexual or not, yet that still heavily falls into a intent to create some binary genderism. I hate how that if such test is not accepted that then the doctor type will call us a "condition" or a "symptom" and try to tell us what we are. When they do this, it only hurts us more. It feels abusive when it happens. They aren't listening. They ignore the facts and look for a quick answer. They continue us a waste of time, otherwise. Sex should never be regarded as a waste of time.
Maybe it takes someone to learn to appreciate what we have and how we learn to live with these appreciations. Even if not a doctor type, we find other post-ops, especially those that have gone through srs at a young age, to never really understand what it is like to live through what we have had to learn to appreciate over the years... many more years than they will ever know what it is like to live this way. How could they ever think they are in a position of authority over such appreciation when they themselves have chosen to "change". This isn't an attack, yet look at how intersexuals have been attacked on this very note here just because an intersexual desires to be natural without some synthetic change.
Maybe the only way to find some medium between intersexualism is to create the difference in terminology. I propose "organic intersexualism". Those that find themselves that relate to intersexualism yet don't find themselves to other type may want to consider themselves someone that hold nature to its highest regards. One who lives through the abuses in order to understand why it means so much to us for what little we have left of whatever we got.
organic: "developing in a manner analogous to the natural growth and evolution characteristic of living organisms; arising as a natural outgrowth."
Much of science is only 3D, yet we know we live in a world that is made of more dimensions and anomalies that even science can't even explain in an finite means. As a scientist myself, I know not the deny the possibility becuase of this. I don't deny the possibility the gender/sex may relate more to capability of species reproduction and not only of racial reproduction. These topics aren't usually spoken about in concerns of human anatomy, so you have to understand my agricultural background... and get down to Earth about these topics. Think about how all the variety of plants out there, consider male, female, etc... and which ones and how they populate. Ever heard of a interspecies plant before?... No... then don't even think you know anything about intersexualism!
Go ahead and eat your HRT... just remember where they come from.... mainly from plants. (unless you use the non-organic hrt methods)
Yes, in my field of study, I advocate for organic omnivorism being quite different from careless omnivorism. It has heavily influenced my attitude and understanding of myself. I hope this helps others, too.
Nice post. Arent the same people that think Genetic research is a big sin that try to give mass doses of T to try and "fix" Intersexed people? Arent they playing God also? I also think Religion should stay out of Medicine 100%, the only thing that comes from it is suffering and death.
Part of the problem with religion and medicine is that people don't understand the difference between ethics and morality (and of course, according to my definitions, they are different!)
Ethics is (or should be) concerned with what causes suffering, and what causes alleviation of suffering. Where religion gets itself involved it imposes morality on this, which is a pseudo-ethical framework based on the mores of a particular group or culture. So instead of presenting clear evidence why something is considered harmful/helpful, the rules are just lifted wholesale from a religious book, often carefully interpreted to remove any inconvenient vagueness or ambiguity.
Thus a lot of things are considered immoral that have simply been defined (by a subset of people) as "unnacceptable" according to their own moral rulebook, and then imposed on the general populace by way of conditioning and law to the point where their validity seems "natural".
I've had this more with people protesting that being bi or gay is "unnatural" - you can point out until you're blue in the face that if it's always been there among humans and many mammals, that's pretty natural, but when it comes down to it, what they're really saying is they've been trained to believe it's "just plain wrong" and that requires a very different approach. In the end, you have to find a way of getting people to question their own ideas of morality and where they came from. So the best response I've found is just to keep asking "why is it wrong?" rather than telling them they're wrong.
Okay, went a bit off subject there (it's a pet subject of mine), but it's sort of germane. ::)
Quote from: Gia on September 30, 2010, 07:17:24 PM
I don't agree with any narrow definition of the word intersexual especially when word is used to describe idiopathic cases. Anotherwords, if you are able to come up with a simple narrow defintion of the word, then you are smarter and brighter than all the best minds, all the doctors, all the scientist, and anybody else who would have knowledge in this Earth about intersexuals.
Maybe sense there are said to be rare cases of intersexuals, that it takes these rare cases themselves to define something real behind the terminology.
Hi Gia it's
not a rare case of having something real behind the terminology, there's no doubt
something is there, but it's a case of semantics about that thing whether it is intersexed or not. The idiopathic talks of the
cause of the thing, not the thing itself, saying that I do believe there are solely psychological intersexed people, a much harder case to show. I have ambigous gentilia the semantics comes in when we realise there's no size to small for it to be a functional penis, when it comes to stretched penis size, very true! But such a condition can also be ambiguous, luckily there are medically defined conditions for this (and many other anatomical conditions), add to this massive evidence such as the psychological.
To one person it is an intersexed condition, to another it is not, it is a case of finding the right expert who can divorce personal opinion from what is right for that particular patient. The reason to deny micropenis even exists varies but it luckily there are many experts who know this is a real phenomena. Combine my firm intersex condition with being transgendered (they are of the same) and raised in 1970's and 80's Britain and reviewing my life it is on the level of a major disability.
Quote from: Gia on September 30, 2010, 07:17:24 PM
Maybe the only way to find some medium between intersexualism is to create the difference in terminology. I propose "organic intersexualism". Those that find themselves that relate to intersexualism yet don't find themselves to other type may want to consider themselves someone that hold nature to its highest regards. One who lives through the abuses in order to understand why it means so much to us for what little we have left of whatever we got.
I hold nature in the highest regard, but I also know nothing is perfect including nature, so where it did so many things so very well, it didn't do other things as well, and in fact somethings are 'messed up' but that is on a case by case, individual by individual level. What nature gives with one hand it takes away with another.
Oh i understand this all too well
Ive been in a two month written debate to one religious website telling them that we are not a result of some sort of original sin. Right now, it has been a pretty involving and very heated debate!
Quote from: Annah on June 21, 2011, 11:57:53 AM
Oh i understand this all too well
Ive been in a two month written debate to one religious website telling them that we are not a result of some sort of original sin. Right now, it has been a pretty involving and very heated debate!
Good luck to you on that one. You can't really have a debate with people who have a viewpoint like that.