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Title: In the shadow of 1860 - America's "two nations" go to the polls. BBC News item
Post by: spacial on October 13, 2010, 01:57:17 PM
QuoteIn this ideological scheme it is the Constitution of 1787 that has been "destroyed" by President Obama's healthcare reforms, and by the $787bn fiscal stimulus.

When Republican Congressional candidates describe the current "ideological battle" as a battle to "defend the flag on our own soil" the question arises: who is the battle with, and what form will it take?

Uncomfortable parallels

The Tea Party movement is sociologically, not just overwhelmingly white but devoutly Christian, and often - but not exclusively - rural. Its adoption of placard imagery open to the charge of racism, and its initial craze for historical costumes, blindsided the liberal media in the USA into believing the movement was fake, or "Astroturf".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/newsnight/paulmason/2010/10/the_penury_of_americas_middle.html (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/newsnight/paulmason/2010/10/the_penury_of_americas_middle.html)
Title: Re: In the shadow of 1860 - America's "two nations" go to the polls. BBC News item
Post by: rite_of_inversion on October 26, 2010, 05:58:57 PM
I have major depressive disorder and some PTSD issues, so take this with a grain of salt:

I've been wondering, in my more paranoid moments, exactly how far this political movement rightward will go, and so I'm wondering, how does one claim legimate fear of political persecution and so get UN refugee status.  How much documentation does one need? do you actually have to show some sort of roundup order, or a police report, or whatever?
It's not so much that I don't like my country, it's what I know...but my country seems willing to turn on me these days.

Sweden's a nice place.  New Zealand, nice place.  Heck, Iceland wouldn't be too bad...
Title: Re: In the shadow of 1860 - America's "two nations" go to the polls. BBC News item
Post by: ativan on October 27, 2010, 12:19:09 AM
Seems like the Tea Party (it just sounds so....odd) is shooting its self in the foot on a regular basis now. Stomping the activists head is like the last straw, I hope. Extremism never lasts. It always gets boring and obnoxious when all it comes up with is the same thing over and over. If your thinking that the extreme right is going to gain control even if they have to get violent, it won't happen. We might be a nation of a lot of things, but that is way to far into the crazy people. If you think that the republicans could pass laws against what has already become acceptable (to whatever degree), they won't be able to.
They can only show their extremism in the rather small group that they are. The rest of the senators and representatives will ignore and in some cases boo them.
The extremism of the teaparty and the republicans who have fallen in just to get votes, is falling away in the last couple weeks, but, it is going at a faster rate each day. They don't have a plan. Except for the republican speaker. He says the #1 priority is to get Obama out of office. We are all left wondering how they are going to fix the country they broke in the first place. Wrong priorities, no plan, want to continue with the polocies that cause the financial meltdown, and now physical violence.
Take away our constitution and redo-it? I don't think so. Do you know how hard it is to get an amindment written in??
Sooooo, none of the bad ->-bleeped-<- will happen, cause they know they will never work in DC again. So getting a refuge status is going to be pretty hard to do IMO. Save up some money, get a passport, go online looking for jobs in paradise and go! But its tough all over, so it'll take some fancy manuvering and luck.
This is all just my not so humble opinion. Maybe I should have put it in rants (another opinion).