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Title: Help with parents!!!!! :(
Post by: Britney♥Bieber on October 18, 2010, 02:07:36 AM
So I came out to my parents like two months ago, and they told me it was fine nothing would change the fact that we are family etc but then they told me they want me to wait a year or 5 to live life and if I still wanted to do it I could etc. But I don't get why they want me to wait. I've thought about whether I'm trans or not for a few years, and as far back as I can remember I've felt female. Even when I identified as a gay guy I felt sad that I wasn't a girl. I've never been happy about being a boy. I even used to steal my sisters dresses and wear them, and my parents know about that. So I talked to them tonight to tell them I started hormones, and to see if they were ready to talk because I feel like it's something that needed to be discussed but they were not interested in anything but telling me to wait. They say I'm impulsive and that it's so expensive and they seemed to believe I won't be able to afford SRS, even in the future. So long story short, they are not happy or okay with me transitioning but they can't and won't try to stop me. They want me to wait. For whatever reason. Also my mom told me I'm not a girl and that she won't refer to me as she/her "I won't. Not right now."

I don't know what to do. I'm going to try my best to get a career set up so that I can become financially independent and move out. (I have two part time jobs that allow me to pay for hormones so far) I don't know how my relationship will be with my parents now or in the future when I move out but I can't imagine it being good. When I move away from this ->-bleeped-<-ty town I can't imagine wanting to come back and now they aren't giving me any reason to do so. I was planning on staying here for a few years, 2 or 3 but now I hope to be out of here by then! I know I have it a lot better than a lot of trans people but it really sucks living with parents who don't support you. :( My mom asked me if I thought about how she'd feel losing her only son etc and I said I don't feel like a son. And why should I care about how she feels when they don't care to much about how I feel about being a boy! Am I wrong for continuing hormones? I honestly feel like their reaction is giving me more motivation to move out and get laser etc. This all happened a few hours and I was such a mess when we were talking. I haven't cried that much in so long!


Anyways this is such a long thread, I'm going to end it with this; Please don't take this as an attack on my parents. I'm hoping they are just struggling with the idea and will come around eventually. Other people have had it worse with their parents, so I'm lucky. I just needed to get this out and thought I'd get some other peoples thoughts on what I should do. =/
Title: Re: Help with parents!!!!! :(
Post by: Aegir on October 18, 2010, 02:11:13 AM
Sometimes people just stop getting along; being family doesn't stop it from happening. If you've got to move out you've got to move out.
Title: Re: Help with parents!!!!! :(
Post by: Britney♥Bieber on October 18, 2010, 02:15:05 AM
Quote from: Aegir on October 18, 2010, 02:11:13 AM
Sometimes people just stop getting along; being family doesn't stop it from happening. If you've got to move out you've got to move out.
That's what I'm hoping doesn't happen. :(
Title: Re: Help with parents!!!!! :(
Post by: Nicky on October 18, 2010, 02:17:12 AM
You are not wrong to continue hormones.

Keep talking,

this is going to be a struggle for them, and they don;t realise what they are asking.

Perhaps you could explain it in terms of pain. "I am living in pain and have for a long time, I don't want to be in pain anymore. I know this is hard on you, but I need your support right now" Also try sympathizing - it must be hard to lose a son. They are allowed to grieve.

Title: Re: Help with parents!!!!! :(
Post by: Britney♥Bieber on October 18, 2010, 02:19:50 AM
Quote from: Nicky on October 18, 2010, 02:17:12 AM
You are not wrong to continue hormones.

Keep talking,

this is going to be a struggle for them, and they don;t realise what they are asking.

Perhaps you could explain it in terms of pain. "I am living in pain and have for a long time, I don't want to be in pain anymore. I know this is hard on you, but I need your support right now" Also try sympathizing - it must be hard to lose a son. They are allowed to grieve.

Thanks Nicky!! :) It's funny how one person can make you feel better after something like this by saying something supportive. I mean you saying I'm not wrong really helps me feel better about it. I don't feel like I am but I wasn't sure if I was just being thick headed.

I will give them more time and see how things go and maybe try to bring things up and see how they react when I tell them how I feel about it.
Title: Re: Help with parents!!!!! :(
Post by: Nicky on October 18, 2010, 02:44:41 AM
you're welcome!

It is a friken roller coaster an't it?

Just keep being your gorgeous self!

Title: Re: Help with parents!!!!! :(
Post by: Britney♥Bieber on October 18, 2010, 03:06:05 AM
Quote from: Nicky on October 18, 2010, 02:44:41 AM
you're welcome!

It is a friken roller coaster an't it?

Just keep being your gorgeous self!

It is!!! =X I just can't wait to get past the beginning stage!
And omg thanks! You're adorable =D
Title: Re: Help with parents!!!!! :(
Post by: marleen on October 18, 2010, 04:26:07 AM
Quote from: Nicky on October 18, 2010, 02:17:12 AM
You are not wrong to continue hormones.

Keep talking,

this is going to be a struggle for them, and they don;t realise what they are asking.

Perhaps you could explain it in terms of pain. "I am living in pain and have for a long time, I don't want to be in pain anymore. I know this is hard on you, but I need your support right now" Also try sympathizing - it must be hard to lose a son. They are allowed to grieve.

I was going to reply myself, but really could not have said it any better than Nicky, so I'll just second her!

Keep strong!
Title: Re: Help with parents!!!!! :(
Post by: spacial on October 18, 2010, 05:42:11 AM
If it helps, just backup what Nikki says.

Roller coaster. Stick with it.

It would be wonderful if those closest to us would give us the support we need. But the reality is, for many, that this is going to be our journey.

Best of luck love.
Title: Re: Help with parents!!!!! :(
Post by: Britney♥Bieber on October 18, 2010, 11:36:00 AM
Thank you Spacial and Marleen!! <3
Title: Re: Help with parents!!!!! :(
Post by: Izumi on October 18, 2010, 12:10:27 PM
Quote from: Britney♥Bieber on October 18, 2010, 02:07:36 AM
So I came out to my parents like two months ago, and they told me it was fine nothing would change the fact that we are family etc but then they told me they want me to wait a year or 5 to live life and if I still wanted to do it I could etc. But I don't get why they want me to wait. I've thought about whether I'm trans or not for a few years, and as far back as I can remember I've felt female. Even when I identified as a gay guy I felt sad that I wasn't a girl. I've never been happy about being a boy. I even used to steal my sisters dresses and wear them, and my parents know about that. So I talked to them tonight to tell them I started hormones, and to see if they were ready to talk because I feel like it's something that needed to be discussed but they were not interested in anything but telling me to wait. They say I'm impulsive and that it's so expensive and they seemed to believe I won't be able to afford SRS, even in the future. So long story short, they are not happy or okay with me transitioning but they can't and won't try to stop me. They want me to wait. For whatever reason. Also my mom told me I'm not a girl and that she won't refer to me as she/her "I won't. Not right now."

I don't know what to do. I'm going to try my best to get a career set up so that I can become financially independent and move out. (I have two part time jobs that allow me to pay for hormones so far) I don't know how my relationship will be with my parents now or in the future when I move out but I can't imagine it being good. When I move away from this ->-bleeped-<-ty town I can't imagine wanting to come back and now they aren't giving me any reason to do so. I was planning on staying here for a few years, 2 or 3 but now I hope to be out of here by then! I know I have it a lot better than a lot of trans people but it really sucks living with parents who don't support you. :( My mom asked me if I thought about how she'd feel losing her only son etc and I said I don't feel like a son. And why should I care about how she feels when they don't care to much about how I feel about being a boy! Am I wrong for continuing hormones? I honestly feel like their reaction is giving me more motivation to move out and get laser etc. This all happened a few hours and I was such a mess when we were talking. I haven't cried that much in so long!


Anyways this is such a long thread, I'm going to end it with this; Please don't take this as an attack on my parents. I'm hoping they are just struggling with the idea and will come around eventually. Other people have had it worse with their parents, so I'm lucky. I just needed to get this out and thought I'd get some other peoples thoughts on what I should do. =/

You probably made the mistake of telling your parents "Mom, Dad, i want to be X"  yeah, they think you went nuts, i mean if out the blue my child came to me, i would also to be reasonable.  They want you to wait because they think its a phase you can grow out of so they dont want you to do anything because they think it will pass.  So, what you have to do is show them you have been like this your whole life, tell them stuff about your life they have seen and not seen to support it and show them this thing wont go away no matter how long you wait, the only difference will be the regret you feel for not doing it sooner.
Title: Re: Help with parents!!!!! :(
Post by: Britney♥Bieber on October 18, 2010, 01:49:57 PM
Well when I told them I wanted to transition, I wrote a small letter saying I felt like I was in the wrong body and that I'd been going to therapy to get on hormones to transition to a female body. And I don't know how it could be out of the blue. I've always been really feminine and even stole my sisters clothes when we were little kids.

What I don't get is....If they aren't okay with me doing this NOW, but they would be in a few years...shouldn't they get over themselves now that they've realized I'm not going to wait, and support me anyways? I don't know what to do but I feel like I won't have a relationship with them anymore.
Title: Re: Help with parents!!!!! :(
Post by: Lacey Lynne on October 22, 2010, 11:53:16 PM
Quote from: Nicky on October 18, 2010, 02:17:12 AM
You are not wrong to continue hormones.

Keep talking,

this is going to be a struggle for them, and they don;t realise what they are asking.

Perhaps you could explain it in terms of pain. "I am living in pain and have for a long time, I don't want to be in pain anymore. I know this is hard on you, but I need your support right now" Also try sympathizing - it must be hard to lose a son. They are allowed to grieve.

Fantastic advice!  Nicky rocks.  I have nothing to add, because she's said it all very nicely right here.  Get your HRT and give them time.  Don't disown them, girl. 

Let your love light shine.  Yeah, it's way easier said than done, but just love them openly as much as you can.  It's a good way to win them over with very few words.  It will take time though.  They are grieving, just like Nicky said.  Shine your Love Light on the folks, girl.  Let it shine (The vid has a drop-out in the beginning ... stay tuned ... great song ... August 1969 ... WAHOO!):

Greatful Dead Lovelight Woodstock (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tqC7VYB7uE#)
You're not weird.  You're not immoral.  You're not nuts.  Your curing your pain.  Hugs, girl!    :D
Title: Re: Help with parents!!!!! :(
Post by: Britney♥Bieber on October 23, 2010, 02:29:47 AM
Quote from: Lacey Lynne on October 22, 2010, 11:53:16 PM
Fantastic advice!  Nicky rocks.  I have nothing to add, because she's said it all very nicely right here.  Get your HRT and give them time.  Don't disown them, girl. 

Let your love light shine.  Yeah, it's way easier said than done, but just love them openly as much as you can.  It's a good way to win them over with very few words.  It will take time though.  They are grieving, just like Nicky said.  Shine your Love Light on the folks, girl.  Let it shine (The vid has a drop-out in the beginning ... stay tuned ... great song ... August 1969 ... WAHOO!):

Greatful Dead Lovelight Woodstock (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tqC7VYB7uE#)
You're not weird.  You're not immoral.  You're not nuts.  Your curing your pain.  Hugs, girl!    :D

Thanks Lacy Lynne. Hugs <3
I feel like it'll be a struggle until my parents come around but I'm willing to take that on.
Title: Re: Help with parents!!!!! :(
Post by: Cindy on October 23, 2010, 02:50:05 AM
Hi Britney,

I think we all have to look at life from each others point of view. Your family thought they had a boy child. Hopefully loved and cared for, and sounds as he was. But the boy was never a boy. I identify very well with this. When you come out  we are  hoping or expecting acceptance and love and help and 'Oh, Gosh I have a new daughter, Father go and paint her room' "Britney and I are going clothes shopping" No it's total shock. Horror. What have we done wrong. I've got a pervert as a son. Do we take him to the ER or to a psychiatrist.

We feel, not knowing these thoughts, happy we have come out,. Finally, we think,  I can be accepted as the female I am. Goddess that was tough, but we got through it. Then the tidal wave.

You know what you are, you know what you need to do. You are doing it.

JMO
Cindy




Title: Re: Help with parents!!!!! :(
Post by: Britney♥Bieber on October 23, 2010, 11:15:16 AM
Quote from: CindyJames on October 23, 2010, 02:50:05 AM
Hi Britney,

I think we all have to look at life from each others point of view. Your family thought they had a boy child. Hopefully loved and cared for, and sounds as he was. But the boy was never a boy. I identify very well with this. When you come out  we are  hoping or expecting acceptance and love and help and 'Oh, Gosh I have a new daughter, Father go and paint her room' "Britney and I are going clothes shopping" No it's total shock. Horror. What have we done wrong. I've got a pervert as a son. Do we take him to the ER or to a psychiatrist.

We feel, not knowing these thoughts, happy we have come out,. Finally, we think,  I can be accepted as the female I am. Goddess that was tough, but we got through it. Then the tidal wave.

You know what you are, you know what you need to do. You are doing it.

JMO
Cindy

I know you are probably right but I don't get why they are so shocked! I never acted like a son or a boy. I half expected them to disown me when I came out, so it's a relief that they still "love" me but words don't mean anything when their are no actions to prove it. What hurts the most is that they are saying "You're refusing to see this from our side!" etc but they are doing the same. I can't really see how they feel as I have no kids. but I am trying :S They just aren't even trying to accept it which hurts.
Title: Re: Help with parents!!!!! :(
Post by: Cindy on October 24, 2010, 01:30:52 AM
Quote from: Britney♥Bieber on October 23, 2010, 11:15:16 AM
I know you are probably right but I don't get why they are so shocked! I never acted like a son or a boy. I half expected them to disown me when I came out, so it's a relief that they still "love" me but words don't mean anything when their are no actions to prove it. What hurts the most is that they are saying "You're refusing to see this from our side!" etc but they are doing the same. I can't really see how they feel as I have no kids. but I am trying :S They just aren't even trying to accept it which hurts.

I know the feeling well. I think 90% of us do. Sadly the only people who could'nt accept me were my parents. One reason I left the UK to come to Australia. My sisters had no problem. My eventual wife had no problems. When I came out to my whole Australian family there was instant acceptance. So much in fact one sister in law just said. 'Oh. I've known that for ages'. The other said 'You're Gorgeous".

Hopefully as you develop into Britney they will see their daughter and accept her. At least they haven't disowned you. :-*

And always remember, you have another family as well. One that will never reject you; will never have any problem in understanding your issues. And are always here for each other.

Hugs Honey

Cindy
Title: Re: Help with parents!!!!! :(
Post by: rejennyrated on October 24, 2010, 02:52:43 AM
Parents are strange. (just like us really!)

My own accepted the situation when I was a young child and helped me to live pretty much the way I wanted right up to my late teens when I visited a therapist who told them they had made it to easy for me. They then started with all the doubts. Turns out initially they had thought it was just a phase and that if they didn't make a big issue out of it then I would grow bored with it and change back.

Later when I retransitioned as an adult my family initially said many of the same things as yours are doing. Only my mother was slightly more understanding, for reasons which I didn't understand until years later when I saw her medical records and realised that she probably had a good idea of my undeclared intersex status which my step-father and rest of my family didn't.

My point is, what parents say can and does change over time. Also what they say, and what they do may actually be two entirely different things. Most people have no experience of this. They cannot imagine it. Yes you may have been thinking about it since birth, but they can't know that so to them it will seem as though it is very sudden and unexpected.

When faced with major change most humans go through five phases. - There may be more but these are the major steps.

Initial apparent easy acceptance (false). They act like this is no big deal. This is the equivalent to trying to disarm the threat by making friends with it. "If I appear un-fussed perhaps it will all go away"

Denial (they act as though nothing has happened until something reminds them of reality)

Hostility (they will fight or argue with whatever seems to be the cause of the change and try to wriggle out of it or find some way to put it off)

Recrimination (they try to find someone to blame for the situation)

Acceptance (they finally come to terms and start being rational)

You are somewhere between steps 2 and 3 - but eventually things will move on.

Sadly the VERY WORST thing you could do is show doubt and/or delay. That way lies madness and regret. If you go back on your transition then you signal to them that they can bully you out of it and every time you try again they will be hostile.

Also time goes on. Whilst it is perfectly possible to get a decent result as a later transitioner many do not and the odds in your favour are HUGELY increased below the age of about 30. This is a thing best done whilst you are young. Sadly biology means that it IS a rush.

To someone older saying wait 5 years may not seem like a long time as past 30 time seems to slip by at an alarming speed, but when you are young 5 years makes a LOT of difference.

So as everyone else has said - what ever you do DO NOT slow down pr give up.

Just remember that as you change so too will your parents. They can't imagine viewing you as female now, because with the greatest of respect, to them you aren't... YET!

But when they start to see changes, at first you can expect hostility, but then ultimately they will eventually accept the evidence of their eyes. I've seen it a hundred times. Trust me, for a while it may be rough, but eventually (unless you are one of the very unlucky few) it will be ok. Just give it time for the penny to drop.
Title: Re: Help with parents!!!!! :(
Post by: Britney♥Bieber on October 24, 2010, 04:31:01 AM
Cindy! Jenny! You're posts give me so much hope. I'm so glad I found susans :) I don't know what I'd do without you guys here <3
I really hope my parents do come around. =/
Title: Re: Help with parents!!!!! :(
Post by: Lacey Lynne on October 24, 2010, 05:47:50 PM
Quote from: Britney♥Bieber on October 24, 2010, 04:31:01 AM
Cindy! Jenny! You're posts give me so much hope. I'm so glad I found susans :) I don't know what I'd do without you guys here <3
I really hope my parents do come around. =/

Absolutely agree.  Jenny and Cindy blew me away too.  Very briefly, I'm one of those for whom it truly is too late and who started transitioning too late.  Since coming out west, I've been atrociously betrayed, swindled and used, rejected by the LGBTQ Community and given the brush off by a gender counselor. 

You've got to ask yourself:  "Will transition make my life better or worse?"

For me, honestly, it's the latter.  Good old mom always told me that I'm too nice to people and that they will take advantage of me.  Mom's a prophet.  Aside from being too old, I really don't have the financial strength to see the process through the right way and to have a good life afterwards.  The vast majority of later transitioners who go on to good lives have ready resources, ample pensions, few debts.  All in all, they're all set to enjoy post-transition life.  Not all of us are so well-set. 

START TRANSITIONING AS YOUNG AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN, if transitioning is really what you want.    :'(

Thanks, gals ... I very much needed to read these posts too.   
Title: Re: Help with parents!!!!! :(
Post by: jmaxley on October 24, 2010, 06:37:23 PM
Quote from: rejennyrated on October 24, 2010, 02:52:43 AM
Sadly the VERY WORST thing you could do is show doubt and/or delay. That way lies madness and regret. If you go back on your transition then you signal to them that they can bully you out of it and every time you try again they will be hostile.

I've wondered about this.  One of the fears I have is losing my mom if I transition.  She's firmly stuck in the denial stage, with occasional bouts of hostility.  I had thought about making a deal with her, if I agreed to wait a year or two to transition, would she please read some of the material I've given her and come with me to a therapy session.  I don't know if I can wait that long, but if there was some way I could help her deal with it, I would. 
Title: Re: Help with parents!!!!! :(
Post by: Cindy on October 25, 2010, 02:34:48 AM
Lacey don't sell your self short honey. You have kept me afloat when the black dog was running.

Jenny makes a really good point. Coming out to people when you are in the guise of male when MtF or as female when FtM maybe too much for most people. They can't see past the packaging, they have called the packaging son or daughter all their lives. People who know you have the same problem.

I came out to my Australian family by inviting them to dinner and I was dressed and presented as Cindy. No real warning, they knew I was making a major announcement and that's about it. They met Cindy full on. Not someone saying she was Cindy and asking for acceptance.  They had two choices, stay for dinner or leave. The guys saw me as female andtreated me as such, the women saw me as another female relative and I was instantly in the girls club. I was also instantly out of the guys club :laugh:, they watched some footy and drank beer as I prepared dinner, the girls chatted and helped out and talked about all the girl stuff we had been up to. When I have come out to people at work, I have done so with a picture on my computer, one of my avatars. God is that you? I'd never have recognised you. My senior scientist (female) You are a really good looking woman. And she was swapping from my picture to me.

I think that does make acceptance easier for some people. You are not telling a story. You are pointing out a fact of life.

Love to you All :-* :-* :-*

Cindy
Title: Re: Help with parents!!!!! :(
Post by: rejennyrated on October 25, 2010, 03:20:36 AM
Quote from: jmaxley on October 24, 2010, 06:37:23 PM
I don't know if I can wait that long, but if there was some way I could help her deal with it, I would.
Trust me the best way you can help people to cope is to get through the half and half stage as fast as humanly possible and let them see you clearly as happy and well adjusted not some angst ridden confused unsure indeterminate.

The more confidence you project, then happier you seem, and the more convincing you look the easier people will begin to accept you. Slowing up actually makes relatives feel that if they only applied more pressure you would perhaps stop. So they do! Now if the first time and every time someone gives you a hard time you actually seem to accelerate it isn't long before they get the message! Trust me I know, because I did it that way.

Having had an enforced delay in my teens thanks to an unhelpful therapist and the fact that I was not legally of age, by luck I then found the one doctor in the UK who was prepared to allow me to considerably bend the guidelines.  Result was that when, in my twenties, I was able to proceed I managed to accomplish my whole transition from start to fully postop in less than 9 months.

Add in the fact that I didn't tell many of my family what I was doing for 3 to 6 months and for some it seemed to take less than 3 months and it was a done deal. Not one of them rejected me.
Title: Re: Help with parents!!!!! :(
Post by: Lacey Lynne on October 25, 2010, 10:39:42 AM
Quote from: Nicky on October 18, 2010, 02:44:41 AM
you're welcome!

It is a friken roller coaster an't it?

Just keep being your gorgeous self!

Welcome to The 3000 Posts Club, oh prolific one!

So, you're getting so amped up about your upcoming GRS/SRS that you've just GOT to chat and chat?  Wahoo!    :D

Don't blame ya one little bit!    ;)
Title: Re: Help with parents!!!!! :(
Post by: Lacey Lynne on October 25, 2010, 10:44:34 AM
Quote from: rejennyrated on October 25, 2010, 03:20:36 AM
Trust me the best way you can help people to cope is to get through the half and half stage as fast as humanly possible and let them see you clearly as happy and well adjusted not some angst ridden confused unsure indeterminate.

The more confidence you project, then happier you seem, and the more convincing you look the easier people will begin to accept you. Slowing up actually makes relatives feel that if they only applied more pressure you would perhaps stop. So they do! Now if the first time and every time someone gives you a hard time you actually seem to accelerate it isn't long before they get the message! Trust me I know, because I did it that way.

Add in the fact that I didn't tell many of my family what I was doing for 3 to 6 months and for some it seemed to take less than 3 months and it was a done deal. Not one of them rejected me.

This totally bedazzles me!  Jenny is one of my 2 or 3 most-admired people here on Susan's Place.  Things just like this and her quality of mind are why.  She has taught me a HUGE lesson this very day with this very post.

I'm about to go fulltime in less than a week ... and am very thrilled ... but also quite scared.   This is EXACTLY what I needed to hear at exactly the right time.  Maybe it's providence or something.  Whatever it is, all I can say is, "Thanks!"   

@ Cindy James:

Really?  Oh, my!  I really had no idea, but I'm honored that you would say that, girl.  Nothing makes me happier than helping somebody who either needs and/or wants the help.  In our skeptical age, this probably sounds corny and/or phony, but it's true in my case.

Anytime, Cindy, anytime at all.  Ever need encouraged or a kind word or two, just PM me ... don't even hesitate.  The for-now wife has said for 20+ years now that encouraging and inspiring people is what I do best.  Well, it's what I LOVE to do.  If I had major money, I'd set up a trust and help out people who need the help.  There was this multimillionaire, I think his name was Percy Ross or something like that.  Anyway, he actually did this!  I'd LOVE to do that ... Rock on!   
Title: Re: Help with parents!!!!! :(
Post by: Britney♥Bieber on October 25, 2010, 11:52:57 AM
Thanks for the advice girls :D It really makes me feel better. Good luck Lacey, on going full time etc. The thought of me doing the same in the future scares the hell out of me but excites me even more. I really hope I overcome all my fear and insecurities someday.
Title: Re: Help with parents!!!!! :(
Post by: spacial on October 25, 2010, 01:23:07 PM
Lacey.

Your post #19 reall touched me. I want you to know that I am genuinely sorry that so many negative things have happened to you. In my time on here I've gotten to know a number of people, I think, quite well. All from my own perspective of course.

I really mean this, when you said that in #24, it didn't surprise me one bit. That is what I'd expect from you.

I have my own reasons for waiting. But in my time here, I've gotten to know so much more. I've gotten to know so many people and hear their expereinces. I've really gotten to know more about myself.

I've decided that, when I do start, I'm going to go at my pace. Sidney Tinker made this point as well, in another post.

It's occured to me that, if I'm wearing a clean pair of jeans, a nice sweat shirt and a nice pair of shoes, I'm dressing female. Lots of girls dress that way.

Thank you for being here Lacey. You make a difference for me.

Title: Re: Help with parents!!!!! :(
Post by: Lacey Lynne on October 25, 2010, 09:23:25 PM
@ Britney*Bieber:

Honey, if I can go fulltime, you totally can do it ... when you're ready!  Go at your own pace.  Yeah, you've got to deal with your parents.  True, you may not yet have the financial strength to do your own thing without hassles.  I'd say the best way to deal with your folks is ... shower them with love, girl ... even when it's hard to do.  Let them know how much pain you're in.  Remind them that you'll ALWAYS be THEIR child and you'll love them ... even if they find it hard to love you back.  When it gets to be tough going for you, remember this tune.  It's way before your time, but it's timeless ... appropriate for all people at all times  ... I daresay that it is the very quintessence of beauty by way of aural and visual media kissing our very souls.  Here ya go, hon:

Shower the People (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm-bfASKGPE#)

@ Spacial:

Oh, my ... I had no idea, but, yes, thank you! 

From what I've read of your posts (... all of which I love, by the way ...), we're within a few years in age and have similar loner tendencies.  That rocks, and I can so relate.  Yeah, I've had some uncommonly hard times.  Don't know why.  Baffles the hell out of me.  In retrospect, I'm now glad I have.  I would have been insufferably arrogant and elitist had I not.  God, Nature, The Force, The Goddess, whatever ... has providentially kicked my vainglorious ass ... taught me much needed humility ... and set me on my life's course of helping others ... which would never have happened had my butt not been allegorically kicked from here to hell and back. 

Spacial, anytime, girl.  Didn't realize I was helping you, but I'm thrilled that this is so.  Thank you!
    :D


Title: Re: Help with parents!!!!! :(
Post by: Britney♥Bieber on October 26, 2010, 12:58:26 AM
Quote from: Lacey Lynne on October 25, 2010, 09:23:25 PM
@ Britney*Bieber:

Honey, if I can go fulltime, you totally can do it ... when you're ready!  Go at your own pace.  Yeah, you've got to deal with your parents.  True, you may not yet have the financial strength to do your own thing without hassles.  I'd say the best way to deal with your folks is ... shower them with love, girl ... even when it's hard to do.  Let them know how much pain you're in.  Remind them that you'll ALWAYS be THEIR child and you'll love them ... even if they find it hard to love you back.  When it gets to be tough going for you, remember this tune.  It's way before your time, but it's timeless ... appropriate for all people at all times  ... I daresay that it is the very quintessence of beauty by way of aural and visual media kissing our very souls.  Here ya go, hon:
Thanks :)
Nice song, made me cry a little :)
I really do think I can do this, it's just really weighing down on me, the waiting, the fear, the lack of support and what feels like the lack of love etc :( I just gotta get through it.
Title: Re: Help with parents!!!!! :(
Post by: lilacwoman on October 26, 2010, 06:21:42 AM
Then start today!  Come out of your room femmed up in say a nice female sweater and touch of lipstick and act as though its nothing unusual.
as they know you've crossdressed and been to a therapist you can tell them the link between the two so you have to show them you are determined to become the person you feel.
If you haven't any nice feminine stuff then ask Mom to go shopping with you to pick something nice.
once you're out of the closet you'll find sister, parents and lady friends will offer clothes and stuff especially at birthdays and xmas.
Title: Re: Help with parents!!!!! :(
Post by: Britney♥Bieber on October 26, 2010, 12:16:00 PM
Quote from: lilacwoman on October 26, 2010, 06:21:42 AM
Then start today!  Come out of your room femmed up in say a nice female sweater and touch of lipstick and act as though its nothing unusual.
as they know you've crossdressed and been to a therapist you can tell them the link between the two so you have to show them you are determined to become the person you feel.
If you haven't any nice feminine stuff then ask Mom to go shopping with you to pick something nice.
once you're out of the closet you'll find sister, parents and lady friends will offer clothes and stuff especially at birthdays and xmas.

Well my parents have seen me in makeup and short shorts with shaved legs. I think once I get boobs I'll be ready to dress more feminine around the house, I already dress super girly anyways haha. And I wanna save up money for some cute clothes. xD I actually feel amazing today like I can do anything. :D
Title: Re: Help with parents!!!!! :(
Post by: Izumi on October 26, 2010, 01:01:24 PM
Quote from: Britney♥Bieber on October 26, 2010, 12:16:00 PM
Well my parents have seen me in makeup and short shorts with shaved legs. I think once I get boobs I'll be ready to dress more feminine around the house, I already dress super girly anyways haha. And I wanna save up money for some cute clothes. xD I actually feel amazing today like I can do anything. :D

Yep feels good when you finally accept it doesnt it.  Like a huge weight is lifted.  You got a tough road ahead, my advice is not matter how hard it gets keep going and enjoy being you, if your happy with yourself, other people will eventually be drawn to you just by your upbeat personality and friends and relationships become easier. 

Sigh, i wish i did this at 18 instead of 32.... I am glad you will get to experience the years i never got to.  Enjoy them.
Title: Re: Help with parents!!!!! :(
Post by: lilacwoman on October 26, 2010, 02:16:25 PM
Britney  you're out of the closet and don't know it   :D   Enjoy.
Title: Re: Help with parents!!!!! :(
Post by: Britney♥Bieber on October 26, 2010, 08:32:17 PM
I will Izumi but I don't think I'll be as hot as you =/
But thanks everyone <3