Does anyone else find that they really, really, really crave greasy, salt laden and fat ridden carbs anytime your boobs ache? It's not really annoying because I know that if my body is craving something to that level that I should listen to it, but crivens...I swear I'll have someones arm off one of these days when i've got cravings and someone makes the mistake of offering me chocolate cake. :D
Yes I did. And I think that it is partly the Spiro and partly the breast developing.
And Thanks Helena, now I want a chocolate cake. :P
Sorry janet ;) :laugh:
but mmmmm chocolate cake
I did get the "boobs hurt MUST FEED!" desire however it wasn't for carbs it was ironically for protein and fat and lemons (I was vegetarian at the time so I decided to throw that plan out the window and started eating alot of beans+oily fish.) The vegetarian thing was only a cover anyway so I could eat lots of phytoestrogens and not raise suspicion (Phytoestrogens had no effect btw) It can be difficult to gauge early on in HRT how much you need to eat as your hormones are lowering your metabolism.
I just finished month one of HRT, and have had crazy cravings and insatiable hunger almost since the beginning and the boobs hurt for the past week. I haven't started to associated the 2 things, but both are present. ....Jenna
Welcome to 2nd puberty :p
Every once in a while I just need salt... Pretzels work really well and so do Chili's Texas Cheese fries... <3
Yes.
(oh and chocolate cravings)
Oh yes, do I ever get those cravings. It really doesn't help that I seem to have an insatiable appetite for whatever I might be craving. Sometimes I crave salt (seems to be my most common craving), carbs, protein, a combination thereof and whatever might be in front of me or within reach :o. Grease is really good too! I basically went straight from male to female puberty with little to no time in between, and the appetite shows. Tit-ache and those seemingly ridiculous cravings seem to go hand in hand, whether it be carbs or anything else. Helena, it looks as if you have "The Hunger" :D. You cannot control it, so it's best you just give in to it.
Edit: I haven't weighed myself in almost 2 months. With all these cravings, I would have expected that a weight gain was surely going to happen. I got on the scale, and apparently I'm down 10lbs, to 149lbs, and my BMI is 20.9. Weird! Never mind, probably because of muscle atrophy.
You'll crave salt because Spironolactone dumps almost every bit of sodium it can find out of your body. You'll also crave fats and carbs since the body is developing in new ways, it needs raw materials to build it's new design.
Though you shouldn't go absolutely crazy and eat everything but the curtains, feel free to up your caloric intake for a while when those cravings happen. Just be sure to stay active!
Strangely enough, my first craving was for veggies! (and meat tasted funny!)I think that was because of my notoriously bad diet :embarrassed: However I'm back to being a carb monster again now, and yes, sore boobs have been pretty much a constant for a while now.
I'm not on spiro any more but I notice that I get all kinds of cravings... Particularly during boobie growth spurts
The strangest I can remember is when a neighbor friend saw me eating pickles with sour cream and hot sauce... She asked "What are you... pregnant?" :laugh:
LOL Virginia.
My neighbor asked the same thing when I got Vanilla ice creme, hot fudge, and dill pickles at the store the other day. And I actually learn to love it when my second wife was pregnant with our second son. She would have it nightly.
Quote from: Aidan_ on November 01, 2010, 04:39:55 PM
Though you shouldn't go absolutely crazy and eat everything but the curtains, feel free to up your caloric intake for a while when those cravings happen. Just be sure to stay active!
I've just bought a long board (well the deck so far...just got to wait for some money to clear to get the rest of it) so that shouldn't be a problem. ;D
Yeah I get so much craving for carbohydrates !
Wait, I'm not on HRT.
I'm SO going to become obese once I start xD.
Quote from: Aidan_ on November 01, 2010, 04:39:55 PM
You'll crave salt because Spironolactone dumps almost every bit of sodium it can find out of your body. You'll also crave fats and carbs since the body is developing in new ways, it needs raw materials to build it's new design.
Though you shouldn't go absolutely crazy and eat everything but the curtains, feel free to up your caloric intake for a while when those cravings happen. Just be sure to stay active!
From a common sense and physiologic stand point this would make sense.
At just close to 90 days on HRT... I have few if any cravings to speak of ???. I hated salty foods before, and still do. I always pick all the salt off my pretzels. Hated chocolate before, and still do. I pretty much had a low sodium, low carb, low fat, no-processed sugars, high protein diet pre-HRT and pretty much keep the same diet currently.
And just to add to it... I've lost a few pounds as well (mostly due to lost muscle, but some fat as well). I do exercise everyday and I'm super picky about what I eat though.
Quote from: JennX on November 01, 2010, 11:51:03 PM
From a common sense and physiologic stand point this would make sense.
At just close to 90 days on HRT... I have few if any cravings to speak of ???. I hated salty foods before, and still do. I always pick all the salt off my pretzels. Hated chocolate before, and still do. I pretty much had a low sodium, low carb, low fat, no-processed sugars, high protein diet pre-HRT and pretty much keep the same diet currently.
And just to add to it... I've lost a few pounds as well (mostly due to lost muscle, but some fat as well). I do exercise everyday and I'm super picky about what I eat though.
There's too many variables in diet and metabolism..I'd sure hate to actually study it for a living!
That's an awesome diet though! Processed sugars = BAD BAD BAD! They're one of the worst things for you!
I'm just ALWAYS hungry on E hehe
I never associated the carbs, but the salt and sipro mine was/is pretzels LOL
Yes, and salty things became my fav!
I also want chocolate cake now ;)
Quote from: A on November 01, 2010, 06:47:56 PM
Yeah I get so much craving for carbohydrates !
Wait, I'm not on HRT.
Maybe if you eat a bunch of carbs now, you won't need to eat as many when you go on HRT. Think of it like putting a down payment on a car.
Of course, I could be wrong.
Wow, so THAT explains it! I really crave salty things. But I try not to over do it with that. I'll make some popcorn (because this girl is on a diet).
I try to drink a lot a lot alot of water.
Sometimes I'll crave Steak too.
Ok, so I'm not crazy. It is the HRT working on me.
Whew.
You aren't alone, oh not at all!!
I'll crave:
- pickles
- buffalo wings :o
- sometimes a big nicely marinated piece of juicy beef steak
- several things I can't think of now...
cravings since I started HRT.....
pepperoncini
chedar cheese
apple juice
lemons (with salt)
ussually all of the above at the same time as a sorta meal
Having just shed about 15 pounds after SRS, my advice is to EAT. Eat a LOT. If you don't have some body fat to chew through after surgery, you'll suffer and feel very ill.
And you, my friend, are very skinny.
I'm not that skinny...honest, my BMI is just below 20. That's well within healthy range.
Quote from: Helena on December 24, 2010, 06:23:31 PM
I'm not that skinny...honest, my BMI is just below 20. That's well within healthy range.
You have a heavier skeleton, due to your first puberty.
BMI is also only a rough guide and generally, well, pretty useless as an indicator of health.
Quote from: Vexing on December 24, 2010, 07:49:10 PM
You have a heavier skeleton, due to your first puberty.
BMI is also only a rough guide and generally, well, pretty useless as an indicator of health.
Well that didn't work for some reason [confused face]
I genuinely don't have that heavy a skeleton, i was one of the lucky ones that never really masculinised. If you don't belive me just ask jenny :-)
I have always had a craving for carbs since starting HRT more so since starting on IMI, and the boobies, Ya they ache hear and now, but thats a good sign! There growing
I love the hair cut!
I'm not sure if you have fine hair like mine but if you do maybe theirs hope for me to look that good with that style.
Problem is I'm not out yet, :-\so I don't think I could wear it well.
I have that same color and style cardigan :)(somewhere) I wore it back in my cd days. Maybe I'll have to dig it out. I'm one that never purged anything if I thought it may work again someday.
Oh by the way!
You look great !
Quote from: Helena on December 24, 2010, 06:23:31 PM
I'm not that skinny...honest, my BMI is just below 20. That's well within healthy range.
Mine is at about an 18
It was at about a 16, basically had about 6% body fat and very little muscle.
I don't know your height or what your weight is but I think (hope) my body shape may look as well as yours.
I'm 5'7" maybe 5'8"
weight 125
small frame
I'm sure though my arms arn't as long as yours. (I wish)
Shelly
For the first month ish, my chest was always kinda sore and at times it hurt, but now I'm getting boobs, they don't really hurt but the little balls inside are so sensitive, they are always sore to the touch. :(
And I did love food before but now I feel like I crave junk food worse than ever! :(
Quote from: Helena on December 25, 2010, 10:37:04 AM
Well that didn't work for some reason [confused face]
I genuinely don't have that heavy a skeleton, i was one of the lucky ones that never really masculinised. If you don't belive me just ask jenny :-)
The width of your shoulders in your pics would lead me to believe otherwise. I've also seen pics of you pre-transition and you fit pretty well into the male norm before you started on hormones. Also, considering the amount of facial hair you had, I don't see how you can claim that you never really masculined - that would be my claim to fame should I be inclined to parade it around, since I haven't had a shred of hair removal. But I'm aware that lacking hard evidence, it would be foolish to claim that I don't have a typical male skeleton and only wishful thinking to claim that I don't.
Unless Jenny is a physician and has taken bone density samples or done xrays, I don't see how she can validate your claim.
This one's going nowhere other than bitchtown folks! :eusa_hand:
Thread locked.
Anyone like to be nice to each other?
Cindy James
:police: Right having now spoken privately to the two protagonists in this I am going to unlock this thread. It will remain unlocked as long as everyone plays nice and remembers the rules. Talk about the topic in reasonable manner and do NOT start hurling bricks at each other please.
Helena - as you well know I have indeed suggested to you that you might find it enlightening to get some screening and genetic testing done, but from my own direct experience I can tell you that it is very difficult to predict the outcome of such testing from external signs as the genes which control Androgen reception are surprisingly complex. Thus single gene faults in the five or six different pieces of genetic code responsible can cause all sorts of low grade anomalies which is why low grade PAIS is notorious difficult to diagnose. However as Vexing has pointed out I am indeed not medically qualified and thus any PRIVATE observations I made were not intended to be taken as in any way definitive, or indeed used as ammunition in a thread like this.
Vexing is therefore correct in the observations that she has made and indeed I am now on record with both of you as agreeing with most of what she said even if I might have phrased it rather more delicately. Seen in the flesh Helena is indeed quite small in stature, and has responded exceptionally well to her HRT but this does not make her any better or worse than any other member, just a bit luckier perhaps, and I think she now realises that perhaps what she posted was not optimally expressed.
Accordingly I would ask you, Vexing, to please try to slightly moderate your robust approach when pointing out someone else's regrettable error.
Please resume your discussion in a cordial manner. I will be watching and any further breaches of TOS will result in a permanent relock and official warnings being handed out!
Thank you for your attention ladies. Please don't let me down here - I am sticking my neck out in taking this course. I'd prefer not to have it chopped off by anyone. :police:
Fair enough Jenny. for the record i wasn't trying to claim that there was anything going on in regards to any potential IS condition, all i wanted to point out is that i have a very slight frame for a genetic male (whatever the ultimate cause may be) and as you've met me in the flesh you could confirm this as true (which you just did).
This looks like a classic crossed wires situation and i can see how the way i said things, while accurate in one sense, could be read in another way entirely. I don't think i'm better than anyone, i just got lucky in a few areas, that's all.
On original point... So what you're saying is that when you're a complete and utter pain in the tits you can be fixed by a bag of chips? :angel:
Quote from: pixiegirl on December 28, 2010, 02:37:06 PM
On original point... So what you're saying is that when you're a complete and utter pain in the tits you can be fixed by a bag of chips? :angel:
pretty much yes, or a KFC. basically anything greasy and carb laden
I have to say, getting back to something like the OT. A few weeks into hrt, breast pain was a novelty and quite exciting. Now (six months later) I'm just really sick of it! :icon_evil:
Quote from: Helena on December 28, 2010, 12:13:56 PM
I don't think i'm better than anyone, i just got lucky in a few areas, that's all.
So did I :DOh wait, that sounded pretty arrogant :(
Quote from: Vexing on December 28, 2010, 03:32:15 PM
So did I :D
Oh wait, that sounded pretty arrogant :(
Actually that was arrogant of you, Vexing. First you begin to agree and then decide to carry on the inflaming.
Enough already.
Quote from: Vexing on December 28, 2010, 03:32:15 PM
So did I :D
Oh wait, that sounded pretty arrogant :(
don't make me regret re-opening this please.
Quote from: MillieB on December 28, 2010, 03:11:20 PM
I have to say, getting back to something like the OT. A few weeks into hrt, breast pain was a novelty and quite exciting. Now (six months later) I'm just really sick of it! :icon_evil:
right now my left boob is growing like crazy and my right boob hurts like hell. I'm hoping they'll swap soon so the right boob can play catch up with her sister.
I am now going through that myself. Not the pain but the growth. Left girl is moving on and her sister is just watching I think. ;D
Yeah mine haven't really stopped growing and hurting. That coupled with the fact that I'm overweight means that it's time to go f/t or buy some kind of binder as it's all starting to look a bit silly and the end of winter is the end of big baggy pullovers! :icon_eek: Obviously, at six months they are far from huge, but easily noticable.
Quote from: MillieB on December 28, 2010, 03:46:33 PM
Yeah mine haven't really stopped growing and hurting. That coupled with the fact that I'm overweight means that it's time to go f/t or buy some kind of binder as it's all starting to look a bit silly and the end of winter is the end of big baggy pullovers! :icon_eek: Obviously, at six months they are far from huge, but easily noticable.
You look really good in your pictures hun, I'm sure you could go f/t with ease. Plus it's winter, you can ease into things with winter attire...that's kind of my logic with going f/t at the start of january.
Quote from: MillieB on December 28, 2010, 03:46:33 PM
Yeah mine haven't really stopped growing and hurting. That coupled with the fact that I'm overweight means that it's time to go f/t or buy some kind of binder as it's all starting to look a bit silly and the end of winter is the end of big baggy pullovers! :icon_eek: Obviously, at six months they are far from huge, but easily noticable.
LOL... I know what you mean... I was at 6 mo. about the end of winter last year... Not huge, but definitely noticeable :laugh:
Quote from: Helena on December 28, 2010, 03:39:48 PM
right now my left boob is growing like crazy and my right boob hurts like hell. I'm hoping they'll swap soon so the right boob can play catch up with her sister.
Something that I found to help with both the pain and to even out growth oddly enough was doing a breast massage
Sure it hurts at first but after awhile it will sooth the savage breasts :laugh: It is simple enough if you'd like to know how :)
*sign* I'd be happy to even be p/t let alone f/t but I'm going off topic...
I think Millie would be able to pass with ease... :)
Although pre-HRT I was a total health freak ... if you exclude the period of depression and drinking and overeating...
Although I have gone back to eating healthy but for some reason, whenever I see any fast food suddenly get an uncontrollable urge to eat that...
some of stuff I have been craving:
Salted Masala Peanuts (very spicy peanuts coated with spicy chilli powder and other spices)
Pickles and I mean lots of pickles...
Cheese .. luckily got a hold of some low fat cheese from laughing cow (cheddar)
Anything spicy or salty or greasey that I can get a hold of ...
I have found myself eating very spicy food that I normally don't eat at work (risk of indigestion if not made properly) when all I wanted initially was just a cup of tea
Quote from: Vibes6 on December 28, 2010, 04:06:01 PM
Pickles and I mean lots of pickles...
Pickles are the food of the goddess. I can down an entire jar of pickles. Where did they go?
Quote from: Virginia Marie on December 28, 2010, 03:58:24 PM
Something that I found to help with both the pain and to even out growth oddly enough was doing a breast massage
Sure it hurts at first but after awhile it will sooth the savage breasts :laugh: It is simple enough if you'd like to know how :)
does playing with them count?
:D
Yes it does and if you have someone helping it is even better.
@Helena Your new Avatar is so cute.
@Cynthia or Little Suzy Homemaker. You look right at home in the kitchen.
@VeryGnawty Pickles? Did I hear pickles? Where? Where?
Quote from: Helena on December 28, 2010, 05:16:35 PM
does playing with them count?
LOL... I suppose it depends on how rough you play :laugh:
Quote from: Janet Lynn on December 28, 2010, 05:24:14 PM
Pickles? Did I hear pickles? Where? Where?
They must be at the grocery store, because I can't find any more of them in the 'fridge.
I've gotten some weird high-fat cravings over the last couple of weeks. My breasts also hurt like crazy. It does seem that I have had two significant growth spurts in that time too.
I remember experiencing this during female puberty. My doctor told me to take vitamin E supplements, and it did seem to help. Maybe when you crave greasy foods, what you're actually craving is vitamin E.
Quote from: Alexmakenoise on December 28, 2010, 10:41:53 PM
I remember experiencing this during female puberty. My doctor told me to take vitamin E supplements, and it did seem to help. Maybe when you crave greasy foods, what you're actually craving is vitamin E.
think I might try that and see if that helps ....
although I am a bit concerned when I found this article in the Times of India (one of the leading newspapers and news agencies in India)
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/health-fitness/health/Vitamin-E-supplements-do-more-harm/articleshow/5399200.cms (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/health-fitness/health/Vitamin-E-supplements-do-more-harm/articleshow/5399200.cms)
"Undiscriminate high-dose".
Take the recommended dose and stop someday, and I do not think you should have a problem.
*tries to fight the urge to get more mcdonalds*
it's not working :(
Quote from: Helena on November 01, 2010, 06:14:38 PM
I've just bought a long board (well the deck so far...just got to wait for some money to clear to get the rest of it) so that shouldn't be a problem. ;D
MMMMMM...I'm craving a longboard now! ;D
Jennifer
Cynthialee you look adorable in your avatar!
**blushes
thanx
:)