To me, the word means wearing the clothes of the opposite gender. Like for instance at my last job I used to have to crossdress (i.e. drab) because I wasn't out yet.
So many people apply the term to pre-transition M2Fs who wear women's clothes, but how can that be since the people in question are women/girls anyway?
Even if it were somehow correct to use the term that way, where would one draw the line? There are so many steps in the process - being out, name change, hormones, not to mention the last step which not every M2F even has done. When would the meaning change?
Maybe I will call it "truedressing" instead. :D
So True...
Besides I have never dressed a cross in my life any way...
Buffy
I guess one could say I am cross-dressing now as I am wearing jeans, a t-shirt and tennis shoes with no make-up (doing laundry)...the jeans are Gloria Vanderbilt though so I guess not...
True CDs, of course, are not transsexuals. I never did get it myself but far be it for me to knock it.
Is it crossdressing when wearing clothing which matches your body?
Is it crossdressing when wearing clothing which matches your mind?
;)
Is it cross dressing when putting apples in apple pie?
NO!..........hehe...
Ricki
cut it out, Ricki. My ribs can only take so much of the laughter you provide me!
as for cross dressing, wouldn't it be cross dressing to wear the clothing of both genders while you yourself are only of one gender?
I am body sex male & gender female. should my clothes match my sex or my gender? I'm glad you asked. Because I don't know.
;)
Becky
Okay seriously i agree with Beck's question. It would seem crossdressing is the opposite reference right? right? So maybe in a natal person..its correct term.
But for us not so, so if we were dressing to our internal gender then we are not really crossdressing- we are dressing as we see ourself in our gender. Society is the ones who are dressing blind and see us cross dressing then.
Agggghhhhh i have a headache from typing that! :icon_blah:
Does that make sense..
Umop, turn this upside down so it makes sense..Please throw a poor dog a bone!
xo
ricki
OhMyGod...........
I may be a cross dresser now! Oh how lovely! won't santa be suprised when he sees me sprawled out under the tree!
Ricki
"True Dressing"; I like it.
And how about calling drab dressing as "Safe Dressing?"
Susan Kay
Quote from: Ricki on December 23, 2006, 09:34:12 PMUmop, turn this upside down so it makes sense..Please throw a poor dog a bone!
I suppose that probably would help. :D
Quote from: SusanKay140 on December 23, 2006, 10:25:18 PMAnd how about calling drab dressing as "Safe Dressing?"
Sure!
Quote from: Kimberly on December 23, 2006, 06:26:38 PM
Is it crossdressing when wearing clothing which matches your body?
Is it crossdressing when wearing clothing which matches your mind?
;)
hmm....let me think about this..yeah..I know, my IQ is not that high you know? ;) ::)
If a person has a male body and a female mind, that person is gender-blessed as said in some forum around here, so if this person wears male clothes, it is not crossdressing, for the clothes match "his" body, it is neither crossdressing if this person wears female clothes, for they match "her" mind. Crossdressing should only be applied when someone wears the clothing which is
not congruent with the person's body or mind. ;)
tinkerbell :icon_chick:
BINGO! (=
Although I would have said 'their' ;)
(=
Quote from: Tinkerbell on December 24, 2006, 01:11:18 AM
Quote from: Kimberly on December 23, 2006, 06:26:38 PM
Is it crossdressing when wearing clothing which matches your body?
Is it crossdressing when wearing clothing which matches your mind?
;)
hmm....let me think about this..yeah..I know, my IQ is not that high you know? ;) ::)
If a person has a male body and a female mind, that person is gender-blessed as said in some forum around here, so if this person wears male clothes, it is not crossdressing, for the clothes match "his" body, it is neither crossdressing if this person wears female clothes, for they match "her" mind. Crossdressing should only be applied when someone wears the clothing which is not congruent with the person's body or mind. ;)
tinkerbell :icon_chick:
I tried to write something similar to what Tinkerbell wrote, but my brain started hurting and I thought I'd be pegged as being delusional. So I quit.
Tinkerbell,
Your IQ is at least at a working level unlike my own. ???
I like the terms "true-dressing" and "safe-dressing", but I still find the term "drab" to be more fitting for safe-dressing. It's more accurate in capturing my emotional landscape while safe-dressed. Of course the reason for the drab is safety, so either way on that one.
Becky
Now that I finally have the face I want and almost have the body I want, dressing doesn't seem relevant to me anymore, i am most comfortable with jeans and a stretch tee, no bra (to show off my cute little boobs)
I never was much into this "dressing" thing but my sisters are kinda butch too ha ha ha ha and without a doubt, I am the prettiest. Never thought I would live to see that day!
The definition I've used is "wearing clothes in such a way as to imitate the opposite sex." So if a man wears a skirt, but makes no attempt to pass himself off as a woman, it isn't crossdressing.
Of course, this gets interesting when transgendered people are considered. Is it crossdressing for an MtF to present herself as female? Possibly not. Should it be "the opposite gender", not "the opposite sex?" That's a thought. But what of people who consider themselves to be both male and female, or neither, or something else entirely?
You know what? It's a useless term, I think.
Wear whatever clothes keep you warm (or cool) and make you comfortable and happy. And don't pretend to be anyone when you wear them -- in the most overused and undermeant phrase in the American language, be yourself -- whoever that may be. That's what I say. (I know it's not always that easy...It should be. :()
Tinkerbell! EXACTLY.....
Well put my friend! :icon_tenisclap:
Child of light offers great concept as well! I'm in the presence of such brilliance we at least have to be over 80 on iq levels, hehe.....
Did anyone ever post the iq test-or a link to one???? I had a disc once a friend gave me i do not think it was accurate i got a 117 or 119 on it? Dah i am not that smart.....
cheers
Ricki
If I were to wear a mens suit and tie, that would most certainly be crossdressing. ;)
Seriously though, the word is loaded with societal assumptions about which clothing should be worn by which sex or gender. Therefore use of the word somewhat buys into the cultural baggage associated with it. Nowadays, women can wear a mens shirt or tie and nobody makes a big deal, why shouldn't a man likewise be able to wear a skirt?
zythyra
Zyth,
I could not agree more with what you said!!
The public as a rule or people seem so bias and stereotypical (that's my big word for the night stereotypical...)
Ugghhhhh
Ricki
Quote from: Buffy on December 23, 2006, 12:32:46 PM
So True...
Besides I have never dressed a cross in my life any way...
Buffy
ROFLMAO - looks like another new hobby for the Beckster to get started with next year - decorative crossdressing !! Hours of countless fun culminating in Englands best crossdresser !! What a way to get people back in to the church's, I will be emailing the Archbishop of Canterbury after this post.
Anyhows, back to reality ... erm ... does it really matter what people are actually wearing anyhows. As long as they aint naked I think you are right in as much as people should just be able to wear what they want.
Becky
xx
Becky to me it does not really, i am one of those who does not try and care or classify people by mere sight, hard thing to do but i try everyday not to make social judgements...
England, oh goodie you can get me hooked up with Tony St. Clair so we can Tanquery.. I love those commercials!
later
Ricki
QuoteI could not agree more with what you said!!
The public as a rule or people seem so bias and stereotypical (that's my big word for the night stereotypical...)
Yes, many people are hung up on stereotypes.
BTW, Ricki, that cake looks too delicious! I think I have a stereotypical attitude about chocolate, if it is chocolate, it must be good... well maybe some stereotypes aren't so bad ;D
zythyra
Hi everyone,
I'm in a mood these days and I've finally decided what we're all going to do about dressing.
1st.
Trans-people everywhere will arise as does the first flaming of a candle and enslave the non-trans people.
2nd.
All non-trans people will be forced to dress like MR. Peanut if they are males and MS. Peanut if they are females.
3rd.
Trans-people will find another planet and leave the Ms. and Mr. Peanuts to thier own devices.
4th.
The planet Trans will rename itself to the planet Transylvania and refuse to do business with Earthlings who are not dressed in Peanut clothes.
No. I will not sign this.
Crossdressing?? I like to calm mine down before putting it on my salad. ;)
Melissa
Good one, Melissa. :D
Another pun that I thought of recently: I am not an angry bureau.
Quote from: RebeccaFog on December 29, 2006, 01:31:57 PM
2nd.
All non-trans people will be forced to dress like MS. Peanut if they are males and MR. Peanut if they are females.
Fixed.
;D
Quote from: ChildOfTheLight on December 29, 2006, 11:39:10 PM
Quote from: RebeccaFog on December 29, 2006, 01:31:57 PM
2nd.
All non-trans people will be forced to dress like MS. Peanut if they are males and MR. Peanut if they are females.
Fixed.
;D
Bless you, my Child of Light
Are these people gonna look like the little peanut m&m guys, they're soo cute, they have to be made not as cute.. Like cracked shells and maybe an odd color like moss green!
Good one!
Ricki
Hi Ricki,
No, they'll be dressed as that peanut guy in the Mr. peanut commercial. They'll have to wear dirty peanut shells and have a tophat and a monacle and wear spats on their feet and carry a cane.
We don't want them to look or feel cute. The point is to ostracize and humiliate them (if such a thing is possible).
evil beck
QuoteAnother pun that I thought of recently: I am not an angry bureau.
LOL
I am not an irate chest :D
zythyra
Quote from: zythyra on December 31, 2006, 09:22:13 AM
QuoteAnother pun that I thought of recently: I am not an angry bureau.
LOL
I am not an irate chest :D
zythyra
It took me long enough to understand these.
Me too beck..
I need a translater to help me!
Ugghhhhhh
Ricki
Quote from: zythyra on December 31, 2006, 09:22:13 AM
QuoteAnother pun that I thought of recently: I am not an angry bureau.
LOL
I am not an irate chest :D
zythyra
Irate a chest as well! :icon_female: Or isn't that what you meant? :icon_google:
Chaunte
See what i mean Chaunte?
hehe...
hugs
Ricki
Actually, cross dressing is what happens when you realize that you just ran your nail through the last pair of clean stockings in you have.
Chaunte
Quote from: Chaunte on December 31, 2006, 10:13:09 PM
Actually, cross dressing is what happens when you realize that you just ran your nail through the last pair of clean stockings in you have.
Chaunte
How exactly does one run her nail through her socks?
Quote from: melissa90299 on December 31, 2006, 11:48:03 PM
Quote from: Chaunte on December 31, 2006, 10:13:09 PM
Actually, cross dressing is what happens when you realize that you just ran your nail through the last pair of clean stockings in you have.
Chaunte
How exactly does one run her nail through her socks?
When you have a snag on your nail and you tear your pantyhose. That makes ME cross when dressing!
Chaunte
Ok, I see...I use cross dressing to stuff a religious turkey?
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Quote from: Kristi on January 01, 2007, 12:07:00 AM
Ok, I see...I use cross dressing to stuff a religious turkey?
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I guess that we all have our cross to bear! And I certainly don't want you to get cross!
But you can only use one cross. If you use two, you will be double-crossed!
Or you can swap the regular bread for cross-ants (croissants). (It's never a good sign when you have to explain the joke...)
Chaunte
Quote from: Chaunte on January 01, 2007, 12:27:25 AM
And I certainly don't want you to get cross!
Chaunte
Of cross not!
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Calling it truedressing is probably for the best. Otherwise "cross dressing" is confusing to me!
A shortening of Truedressing is Tdressing.
Coincidence?
Becky... HELP..
this post has my eyes criss-crossed......
I was gonna sit and have some tea and hot cross buns but decided not to..
I do not wanna cross any lines.. HEH..hehe..... :P
what happens when you throw a cross dresser into a pot of chili...
dadummmm.....
you have yourself a spicy dish!
hehe.. I'm so proud i just made that one up :icon_lemon:
WeHeeeeeeee
ricki
Quote from: Ricki on December 31, 2006, 08:54:14 PMI need a translater to help me!
Bureau = dresser. ;D
Quote from: Chaunte on December 31, 2006, 10:13:09 PMActually, cross dressing is what happens when you realize that you just ran your nail through the last pair of clean stockings in you have.
Good one!!!
Quote from: Ricki on January 01, 2007, 06:36:54 PMyou have yourself a spicy dish!
LMAO.
I guess we could abbreviate it TD-ing but that's still easy to confuse phonetically with CD-ing.
umop
Living life in TD :D
Quote from: Ricki on January 01, 2007, 06:36:54 PM
what happens when you throw a cross dresser into a pot of chili...
dadummmm.....
you have yourself a spicy dish!
Umm, sorry. I don't get it. ???
Melissa
So what do you call a homophobe who is given absolute power?
A CD burner.
Melissa i told you i made it up, i'm not good making up jokes..
Okay lets see chili is "hot" and spicy if someone is cross dressed the expectation is they'd be sexy or hot.. so get it? throw them in the chili and... dish as in slang to a pretty broad? Hmmm
Did i explain this okay??/ Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I'll stick to food jokes maybe?? hehe.....
either way umop turned it all upsidedown anyway!
sigh as i cross my legs!
luv
Me!
Ricki,
You stick to food jokes (but I guess that one was, eh?)...I'm just gonna swipe those hot cross buns you gave up earlier. And quit picking on umop just because she believes in bottoms up...seems to me I've seen you breaking the "Don't drink and type" rule a time or two.
BTW, I crossed my legs once...dang things hired a gumshoe and I had to hide for a week. Luckily, he double-crossed them and told them I had joined Becky in the lucrative British Crucifix Decorating business.
OK...maybe I SHOULD have broken the rule...that was lame even by my standards...LOL
......Laurie
Laurie you're too cute!
how are you things going okay???
what's your Texas winter like so far very very mild here in Western Pa, odd 50 degrees today and 52 tomorrow? hmmmmm
Ricki
Quote from: Ricki on January 03, 2007, 09:12:54 PM
and... dish as in slang to a pretty broad? Hmmm
Ah, I was not familiar with that one. No wonder I didn't get it. Anyways, thanks for explaining it.
Melissa
Melissa...slang words are a hoot, eh? You hear a bunch of them if you watch the old movies (Turner Classic Movies...one of my favorite channels). Dame, skirt, broad, chickie, tomato, dish. Lots of them, some flattering, some not. I think my favorite is skirt, but then I always found a long legged cutie in a tight skirt appealing. And, just to show I'm not completely full of testosterone, I have to say a mid-calf, knee-high slit, tight as opposed to flowing but not as in 10 pounds of sugar in a 5 pound sack tight...you know, 40's style...Myrna Loy...
Ricki,
Things are going well here...we had a reorg at work and it looks like I'm ending up where I would have chosen to go (can't beat that!)...drains are working at home again after paying the plumber over $300 just before Christmas (bummer then, but much much better now)...feeling a lot better than when I was sick last week. On the whole, lots of good stuff. Oh, and just to rub it in...supposed to be 70 degrees tomorrow (then it rains and gets colder - 51,52 for the weekend)
Question: If Christopher Cross put on a concert dressed as a woman, would he be "Cross" dressed or just crossdressed? Or would the two "crosses" cancel each other out? God help us if he did a Madonna and had himself crucified during the concert...too many crosses...ahhhh Brain Pain!!!!
.....Laurie
I think Christopher Cross would be "Cross" Truedressed.
That sounds like a good name - "Hi, I'm Cross Truedressed. What's your name?"
Beck wonderful!
I like it.. Sounds even British or European.....
Thanks Melissa like i said not the best joke maker?
Laurie why is it there are always drain problems in Texas is it cause its soo flat? That cannot be can it????
The accounts i worked at years back almost all of them had drain issues, back flow issues, YUCK--- backing up sewer and stuff!
the one place the kitchen got flooded with septic and the goofy chef was like we have lunch to make i was like "ARE you nuts......... :icon_yikes:
We're not cooking anything here until its cleaned up and the health guy okays the place......... we ended up having meals ordered and shipped in for the residents and the employees had to arrange takeout Ya pizza and pop (soda for you southerners) like that was a bad thing?????
ricki
Ps Becky or we could use a nick nake CC
Quote from: Ricki on January 06, 2007, 08:06:36 PMYa pizza and pop (soda for you southerners)
Hey I call it "soda". :P It's a northeast and west coast thing. Besides, southerners refer to it as "coke".
[cross-dressing]
"the act of wearing clothing commonly associated with another sex within a particular society"
i ordinarily concord with dictionary definitions.
umop .. well who calls it soda pop...????
Perplexed in Pa!
Rciki
Quote from: katia on January 06, 2007, 10:37:26 PM
[cross-dressing]
"the act of wearing clothing commonly associated with another sex within a particular society"
i ordinarily concord with dictionary definitions.
I think the dictionary bases a person's orientation on the same criteria, namely one's physical sex, which is another definition I happen to disagree with. ;)
Quote from: Ricki on January 07, 2007, 06:08:48 PM
umop .. well who calls it soda pop...????
Perplexed in Pa!
I dunno, good question. :)
Quote from: Kristi on January 03, 2007, 11:25:47 AM
So what do you call a homophobe who is given absolute power?
A CD burner.
Ouch! That was wonderfully painful!
Chaunte