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Community Conversation => Transgender talk => Topic started by: Jake_to_Jackie on November 24, 2010, 02:30:04 PM

Title: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: Jake_to_Jackie on November 24, 2010, 02:30:04 PM
So yeah i had met this girl that was a fellow trans on craigslist, we met and talked and it seemed we really hit it off, i told her i was trans but i might not, i don't remember now. any way earlier today i told her and she said to me, that she is only looking for a man she is not gay.

What is the point for me to even try and meet someone any more, I am a ugly little troll that no would ever want to have a serious relationship with me.

If someone wanted a girl they would just date a real girl if they wanted a boy they would just date a real boy. I am 22 and never had a relationship last more then 2 months in my entire life, as soon as they find something better they dump me with no remorse. No one even enjoys me for me, either they just want sex so there sick pervs that only talk to me with that intention, or they are people that don't give a damn about me and are only talking to me because there friends of my friend. I am a short worthless rat, and i will never ever be able to have someone that loves me and is honestly wanting to be with me.

I just wish there was someone that would look at me as something special, or at least be interested in me because of me. But that will never happen i am no were near a man, and i am not ever gonna be able to be a women ever.

No one ever checks me out, i have never been flirted with, and any time i go out with people if anyone comes up they always talk to my friends no one ever wants to get to know me i am not even worth talking to. I hate my self i hate my body and i hate that no one ever cares about me. I am worthless and uninteresting. No one will ever love me and honestly why should they.
Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: Xakkun on November 24, 2010, 02:56:20 PM
I'm truly sorry that happened to you, you deserve better. I'll be honest, sometimes I feel the same way. The only relationship I've ever been in that lasted longer than three weeks was with someone I barely saw, and that ended horribly, and I think only lasted as long as it did because he was trans himself.

I wish I knew something I could say to actually help. But things will get better. You'll find the one you're meant to be with.
Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: JessicaH on November 24, 2010, 03:06:33 PM
Well, I'm glad you got back on Susans like I suggested. We are going to meet up on Sunday and I am going to introduce you to a whole lot of people that will like you for who you are even if you're not sure just what that is. I think things are about to turn around for you!

Huggs, Stacy
Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: Jake_to_Jackie on November 24, 2010, 03:10:44 PM
I keep being told that but it wont happen, i gave up believing that, its just this simple why would any one be with me? I have tried being confident i tried hard being proud, but no one even notices me, I am always walked over, literally people run right over me with out even noticing, at most they give me that half said I'm sorry, for running me over, meanwhile my friends even my same size are constantly having people acknowledge and notice them. but me being only a 5 ft tall queer freak no one even wants to notice me our give a damn about me. Its not like we have a gay community down here either, I have no one of meeting someone who would be remotely attracted to me and again, why should any one, i am too short to be a man and im too ugly to be a women, i have no use and i have nothing to appeal to people with, why was a born like this ;(

And i don't see me feeling better any time soon, i'm tired of being ignored and treated like i'm worthless, no one wants me around no one cares about me...any were.
Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: Jake_to_Jackie on November 24, 2010, 03:13:40 PM
Quote from: StacyBeaumont on November 24, 2010, 03:06:33 PM
Well, I'm glad you got back on Susans like I suggested. We are going to meet up on Sunday and I am going to introduce you to a whole lot of people that will like you for who you are even if you're not sure just what that is. I think things are about to turn around for you!

Huggs, Stacy

I hope so but i doubt it...i swear all try and cheer up by Sunday, I just...I am tired of being alone, and acting like i am happy around everyone when really i wish i was far away from them all.
Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: Osiris on November 24, 2010, 03:22:30 PM
I'm sure you'll find someone to love you. Ya just gotta be in the right place at the right time. The environment in which you look for that special someone definitely has a big role to play in finding the right person and I will say from what I've seen it's extremely difficult to find someone who isn't just looking for casual sex on craigslist.

And maybe it's just my perspective but even though she turned you down at least the reason why is encouraging. She's not interested in women and you identify as such, which means she sees you as a woman.

Finding love when you're trying to sort out your gender identity and expression can be especially difficult but it can be done. Keep your chin up and try not to lose hope.
Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: Jake_to_Jackie on November 24, 2010, 03:36:16 PM
Thank you i needed to hear that, and your right it hurts but it is bitter sweet, and she wasnt rude about it, i think ti is like you said, and i agree i gave up on craigslist for a while just kinda read them cause they make me laugh...(no offense to any one who uses it of course.

and the environment i wish i could look for that right person is were we could be very open about who we are, and not be bullied about it too much, kinda like a super San Fransisco gay community...i think you understand what i mean...im sorry i rambled off there for a second but thank you you really have the ability to be kind with few words :)
Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: Janet_Girl on November 24, 2010, 03:47:54 PM
It always seems that when you decide that you will not have someone in your life and quit looking, that certain person walks into your life.

I have been in three long term relationships, marriages in fact, and I was not looking when they came into my life.  Right now, I am single and I often wonder if anyone will walk in to my life.  I have had and had crushes but they never seem to go beyond just flirting.  But flirting is fun.  I usually start it, but I have had some guys flirt with me.

Hang in there and just quit looking.  They will find you.  :D
Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: Jake_to_Jackie on November 24, 2010, 03:54:38 PM
lol that is kinda confusing...but ok i will not give up, and also im not gonna try...

Ill get back in the boat, but ill wait for the wind to take sail, that is a good metaphor for it :).
Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: Antonia on November 24, 2010, 04:05:45 PM
hi Paula,

I can really sympathise with you, im 49 years old and a single parent, ive been married twice and neither really worked from the start because they thought they were getting together with a guy as iv'e always had to go out as a guy and not been able to show my true self. Well i havent been to craigslist but ive been using second life and
havent clicked with anyone there just found a lot of problems to deal with.
One bi girl on second life called me a freak and another thought i would just be okay for sex.
I'm looking for some one special too and i'm not going to give up.

hugs Antonia xxx
Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: Jake_to_Jackie on November 24, 2010, 04:12:02 PM
thanks and i know we will both be able to find someone we just cant force it we need to let it be guided towards us.
Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: jamherst on November 24, 2010, 05:14:36 PM
But you're not ugly and you are more than just something. If those people wanted a real boy or a real girl, they can go find one--but that doesn't guarantee that they will be happier that way as opposed to being with you. What matters is how genuine a person is and honestly speaking, if they are afraid to take you seriously, then they're not worth your time.

I am in a similar boat as you. I constantly weigh my own transition with the hopes of finding someone who will love me for who I am. Sometimes it's hard to be proud of who I am.

Sure, you are no where near a man nor will you ever be a biological woman. But you know clearly how you feel and you know undoubtedly that you are a woman inside. No one can ever discredit you for that. You are more complete in some way, than a biological woman. You are more complete as a human being to experience the good and bad of being/knowing both genders at once. And maybe the norm cannot grasp this duality and maybe they even will go out of their way to put it down--but one day, someone will find you, and treasure you as a whole.
Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: spacial on November 24, 2010, 05:38:52 PM
I was in my late 20s before I had a decent relationship. I married that one.

The measure of you, isn't others, it's how you treat them.

Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: Jake_to_Jackie on November 24, 2010, 06:07:02 PM
jamherst you look very handsome you look like a guy i use to go to high school with, and both of you are right, Im just lonely and i thought i was about to have someone and when it fell through it was not expected so i litterly got dumped.

but im ok now.
Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: Valerie on November 24, 2010, 07:00:07 PM
Whoa, back the truck up...the self-loathing hurts to watch....! 

Paula I see in your last post you said you're alright now, but I feel compelled to butt in anyway, 1) because it might help others at some point, and 2) because you may be able to use it at some point future--and quite honestly, the depth of the experience/feelings that you shared indicates to me that you've thought & felt them before & will think & feel them again. I can only partially relate to your situation. I know first hand both social isolation & poor self-image, but my girl-parts match my brain so I can't identify with the gender piece on a tangible level. 

I'm so sorry you've had a rough go of things. I hope the thoughts I share can help you or others.  Some of what I'm about to say might sound hokey, because it sure sounded hokey to me when I was first hearing these concepts, and not only hokey, but kind of unreasonable.  But now that I've come to understand and experience certain things firsthand, I wish I'd understood sooner. Trouble is, I have no idea just how I came to realize these things in my own life....so, I can tell you what has worked for me, but I can't tell you how to get there.  I s'pose it's one of those things that becomes part of one's journey, if desired....and I s'pose, too, that not having all the answers leaves room for interaction, for this community we choose to participate in to realize its function as a community.

Your initial post shouts at me, "I hate myself!!"   First of all, that breaks my heart, and secondly, hon, it really doesn't seem to be serving your purpose.  Lesson 1: If it doesn't serve your purpose or lead you to your goals, get rid of it.  I am still figuring out how to adopt that attitude for myself, but I'm in remedial classes for that one!  Just something I heard or read somewhere in time that comes to mind at the moment. 

Lesson 2: Smile.  At the world, at yourself. The act of smiling itself automatically ups your mood, and has the potential for chain reaction.  Who cares if people notice?  Smile for your own damn happiness. 

Lesson 3: Don't try to be confident.  Because if you have to try, it's not really there inside you.  Develop your confidence, and you will just have it.  Tell yourself when you've done well, when you think you look good in such & such clothes, hair, whatever. 

Lesson 4: Say good things to yourself. It works.  Start with things you already like about yourself....you'll notice in time that you end up adding more to your list.

Lesson 5: (If you dare!):  Look yourself in the eyes every day for a minimum of 21 days and say TEN times, "I love you."  Even if you don't believe it.  Just do it. I dare ya's.  (I want a report from anyone who tries this in earnest.

Good relationships with others start with a good relationship with yourself. Develop that. You're worth it, the whole lot of you....and me.  Don't look to others to supply your feelings of self-worth.  Be your own friend.  Start there.  You'll find yourself changing in time, for the better....your attitudes will slowly morph....and as you morph, the world appears to change, too....but really it'll just be your new outlook. 

Finally, appearances are secondary to most people. I, for one, am not the kind of person who can go googly-eyed over people on TV, in magazines, etc, no matter how "attractive" people consider them.  For me, it's knowing a person, seeing them in action, being who they are, with all the nuances that encompass being human. Sometimes I will think about a particular person I have affection for...I'll notice that some of their physical traits may not be classically "attractive" but because they're part of this person I care for, they, and the person as a whole, are beautiful. 

Where the sex & gender thing is concerned, I know that I can love someone who is male, female, both, neither, or none of the above.  There's got to be more than one of us out there!  And really, there are.  Chillax.  Be gentle with yourself, and then be gentle with others. 

I'm sorry I've not the time to develop these thoughts more fully....my internet hang-out is closing early tonight & I gotta' run....but please, everyone....give yourselves a break.  You don't have to find your own beauty or try to manifest it in yourself....it's already inside you, waiting to be noticed.   

Bless you,

~Valerie  :icon_flower:
Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: Jake_to_Jackie on November 24, 2010, 07:46:29 PM
your words are really sweet,and I appreciate your kindness, but my feelings dont come from inside,I use to love my self and use to be proud and find my self as beautiful as a model,but not any more.

it comes from the fact that i am ignored by 99 out of 100 people i am around, i am always being walked over ignored and not even acknowledged, and it don't matter what i say or do how i act i am still treated like a dormouse under peoples feet, I am literally just completely ignored and treated inferior to people. i am never ever invited to parties, as a matter of fact every single one of my friends had a Halloween costume party and i was the only one not invited. The only parties i ever go to are family parties and at them no one talks to me the whole time im there when i try to force conversation on someone no matter what i talk about they will take 5 or maybe if im lucky 10 minutes then find a excuse to go talk to someone more important (ive actually been told that more then once.)

im only 5 ft tall and have a real girlie face, so no one respects me as a adult, hell they don't even respect me as a child, I am treated like i am retarded, and again that is not a exaggeration, the only people that talk to me literally talk to me like there talking to a ignorant person, my IQ is 136 but they will "dumb things down" constantly if they are talking to me, either that or they will talk to me just to start a conversation with who ever i am with.

How can you say it is possible for me to love my self when no one will even acknowledge my presence male or female? i can say i love myself a thousand times in the mirror but the second i walk out and around the public alone(because no one will ever hangout with me, when i ask or offer people to hangout i am either just completely ignored when i ask or they will make a excuse not to. They then and go off and do something with out me usually with someone else.)

And when i am in public all I have is people running into me telling me they did not notice me there, or i am ignored completely, and it don't matter were i am, i could be at the clubs, hanging out with people, or even at church were you are forced to interact with people, and even there i am literally avoided by everyone, it does not matter were i am or who i am with or what attitude i have, i am never ever treated like people want to be around me, and no one acts like my presence is wanted.

not in my family, not with my friend (which we might hang out once a month if i am lucky enough to be squeezed into the all the other people she rather hangs out with.) not at work no matter were i am, i'm not given attention and im not a attention whore or any thing, but when you are completely ignored you would like if someone would at least smile you or at the very least not trip/run over you while there walking.

I am not exaggerating it is a daily thing for me to know that i am going to go out there and just be a doormat to everyone. I can already tell you how thanksgiving is gonna go, ill go over to my grandparents they will say hi and then go strait to talking to my parents about hunting, the rest of the family will come over and talk amongst them selves, I will force conversation with who ever is near me, they will walk away soon or obviously just cut conversation, and then we will eat, i will be forced to eat at a TV tray because there is never enough room for me to eat with every one else (honestly i have gone 5 thanksgivings with out eating with the rest of the family but being in the same room with them) then my parents will drop me off at home and they will go to the hunting lease with everyone else, leaving me alone for the rest of the holiday.
Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: Elsa on November 24, 2010, 08:11:42 PM
Paula .. I can really sympathize  with you .. most of my relationships dont last long because my GID gets in the way... however I feel that there is someone for everyone out there we just need time to find that person and be strong not to give up...

When you say your hate yourself and feel you are not worth it ... this is something you need to address... while I can totally understand that you may feel this way (there are days that I feel the same way) ...

however I must point out that what ever is on your mind is also on your body... when something is on your mind your body will show signs of what you are thinking..
example: If you are interested in someone your body will subconsciously point itself towards that person... and will show various signs of body language that display that you are interested in that person...

Hence if you keep feeling that you are you are not worth it and reject yourself your body will display signs of this and when people see these signs it is almost always mistaken for lack of interest in that person or as signs of rejection towards that person...

there are many people even ones who are not trans who feel the same way .. so it is important to remember that you are not alone and others here  have given you some awesome advice .. so dont give up!

also I would recommend reading stuff on body language as it helps a lot!! even for day to day interactions with people!!!

::hugs::
Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: jamherst on November 24, 2010, 08:48:51 PM
Quote from: Paula_Itoi on November 24, 2010, 06:07:02 PM
jamherst you look very handsome you look like a guy i use to go to high school with, and both of you are right, Im just lonely and i thought i was about to have someone and when it fell through it was not expected so i litterly got dumped.

but im ok now.

Thanks ^^.

Nothing wrong with feeling lonely--I think it comes and goes in phases. I also browsed CL for a little bit and I know how it is there. The gay side is basically dick stew and trans people are thrown in between as a fetish thing. I really thought that girls would be a bit more forgiving with mtfs but I guess it's never easy for us in general. Then I realized how bad of a place CL was haha ;;;...and dangerous to say the least.
Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: Jake_to_Jackie on November 24, 2010, 11:02:09 PM
Jamherst you don't know how bad i wished you lived in Texas, we would be great friends, you would be like the brother i never had :). I just wanna say considering your pic, you look like you can kick ass!

and vibes i understand what your saying and your right, and like you and Valerie said i just need to love my self, it is very hard though when no one else does.
Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: Kendall on November 25, 2010, 12:57:19 AM
Paula - I read your words with sadness - and hope. At least you are reaching out here and trying. As others have said, it does gets better if you keep trying. And your last post is positive.

Although the question is, keep trying what. Janet mentioned that sometimes when you stop looking for a relationship is when one walks into your life. I wonder if you were to re-focus on living more fully in other parts of your life if that might not change things for you. It may be hard, but when I have been depressed, sometimes it worked for me to just put my depression and self-doubt in a compartment, and go to a movie or concert or whatever and lose myself in the activity. It also worked to read or draw or listen to music. Sunsets are wonderful things to contemplate, experience, and lose yourself in.

It also helped to get into therapy and to read self-help and especially Buddhist books ( I like Pema Chodrun). Did I mention therapy really, really helped? Although I had to look around to find a therapist with whom I connected.

Some of your thoughts seem to lead you into negative downward spirals - and you are smart enough to tie yourself into really convoluted knots - but you are smart enough with help to untie the knots.

About dating, I gave it up for awhile, because I am not ready. I have been in relationships before, but always at the expense of being someone not quite authentic. I was a good chameleon, a mirror. Ironically I can get lots of attention, as long as I am this people-pleasing self. But I do not feel seen or heard either - it is all my "persona." So I am focusing on learning to be myself, trying to figure out who I am - and on enjoying life no matter how else I feel. I am alone, but not lonely because I do have friends and an adult son who lives with me. I am I expect considerably older and I have survived deep angst, so I know it does get better, and help is good to get.

I think another way of understanding your feelings about yourself is that you are still looking to find, to get to know, to become and to create yourself which may need to come before a relationship. I do not know who you are comparing yourself to, but I think you need to be and accept and appreciate yourself as you are, not compared to some outside standard.

I hope you keep sharing here.

And I wish I could give you a big hug.

Kendall
Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: spacial on November 25, 2010, 12:12:44 PM
Paula,

At the risk of repeating myself, I strongly suggest you concentrate on how you deal with others.

Lonliness sucks. But there is no real answer other than if it happens.

I had decided to stop trying at all and to be celbate in my 20s. Please believe me, most of what you describe about your social life, is so similar to mine. Though my relationship with my family was very negative.

I really wish there was a solution, but there isn't. There is no answer. You just need to put it behind you and get on with your life.
Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: Raven on November 25, 2010, 12:46:19 PM
One day you will find someone who will love you for you. Don't give up. Looks aren't everything, someone can be gorgous but their personility can be very ugly, if you know what I mean. Same if someone is ugly they can have a beautiful personility. Look at what makes you beatiful, look at all your good traits, and I bet one day if not today you can look in the mirror and say "I'm gorgous".
Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: alia on November 25, 2010, 02:00:20 PM
Yo guy.

Tell you what. I won't analyze or try to pinpoint causality for your unhappiness with yourself and the world. I'll just give you a technique. This technique allows you to explore your present experience.

Sometime in the next day, try to remember this post you have going. When you remember this post, try to connect with something that's happening right now. A good mechanism for connecting with the present moment is your breath. Maybe try to follow the sensation of your breath in your nostrils, or in your stomache. How does it feel? Is your stomache tight? Do you feel your breath only coming and going out of one nostril? Feel these sensations, and don't judge them. Just say "I am breathing in and out of my left nostril right now."

Maybe you might feel sensation in your feet. Be with this sensation.  Maybe try to sense how your left hip is feeling.

Connect to the present moment, and observe. There is no goal to this excersize, or any benefits that I will tell you that you need to achieve, just connect and observe. Connect and observe.

Do this when you remember to! It is especially helpful for me when I'm feeling stressed, down, overwhelmed or fearful. Even when I am happy or feeling extremely pleasurable sensations, it is interesting to connect and observe the present moment without judgement.

Good luck!
Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: JessicaH on November 25, 2010, 06:13:08 PM
Paula, there is probably a MUCH larger gay community here in Beaumont than you realize. I am going to do what I can for you and I will take you out and introdu e you to as many transforms as I can. I hope we can get together early enough so we can get you all prettied up before going out. You are about to have more friends and your world is about to change. I promise you that!

There is a huge trans community an hour away in Houston and I can take you with me one evening and we can go out with my friends and be ourselves.  You are an attractive guy and im sure that with a little help, you can be a beautiful young woman. If you fight me about it, I will get 10 drag queens to drag you in the VIP room for a makeover!  Lol

I know some drag queens that don't have half of what you have going for you and they look beautiful. I know YOU can too!  I really look forward to meeting with you on sunday. Hopefully, we can get you outfitted to go out propoerly!  :-)
Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: jamherst on November 25, 2010, 06:54:30 PM
Quote from: Paula_Itoi on November 24, 2010, 11:02:09 PM
Jamherst you don't know how bad i wished you lived in Texas, we would be great friends, you would be like the brother i never had :). I just wanna say considering your pic, you look like you can kick ass!

and vibes i understand what your saying and your right, and like you and Valerie said i just need to love my self, it is very hard though when no one else does.

I didn't believe it before when people told me, I  need to love yourself, and I still don't believe it sometimes. But something about that logic is beginning to break through. There's something about self-confidence and love that creates positive energy and attracts it at the same time. Nobody can convince you to love yourself, you need to realize it yourself. However...in the meantime, we can still support each other in the down times ^^;.

And I wished I lived in Texas too..it's getting mighty cold up here in moose land..
Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: Dominick_81 on November 25, 2010, 10:29:30 PM
Paula_Itoi,
     I can totally relate to what you are saying. I feel the same way. I have never had a relationship before and I hate that. I want a girlfriend so bad it kills me. I'm shorter than you. I'm about 4'10. I feel that since I'm short and I'm trans no straight girl is gunna wanna date me.

I know how frustrating it is. I'm frustrated as hell.  I think about being alone for the rest of my life and I just wanna cry cause I feel like I will never find a straight girl that will date a short trans guy. But we gota think positive that there is someone out there for us and hopefully we will find that person soon.
Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: Jake_to_Jackie on November 26, 2010, 12:04:17 AM
Quote from: StacyBeaumont on November 25, 2010, 06:13:08 PM
Paula, there is probably a MUCH larger gay community here in Beaumont than you realize. I am going to do what I can for you and I will take you out and introdu e you to as many transforms as I can. I hope we can get together early enough so we can get you all prettied up before going out. You are about to have more friends and your world is about to change. I promise you that!

There is a huge trans community an hour away in Houston and I can take you with me one evening and we can go out with my friends and be ourselves.  You are an attractive guy and im sure that with a little help, you can be a beautiful young woman. If you fight me about it, I will get 10 drag queens to drag you in the VIP room for a makeover!  Lol

I know some drag queens that don't have half of what you have going for you and they look beautiful. I know YOU can too!  I really look forward to meeting with you on sunday. Hopefully, we can get you outfitted to go out propoerly!  :-)

I keep counting down the days i am so so excited i hoe i dont embarrass my self.
Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: Jake_to_Jackie on November 26, 2010, 09:54:52 AM
your words make me sad Dee, you look gorges in your display pic, and i am being completely honest when i say this, you look a surprisingly lot like my real mother. And if you ever wanna meet id love to talk with you, and try and give you some happiness in your life, because you were sweet enough to try and cheer me up when i was sad so i wanna do the same for you me :).


But i agree with you that i need to get out of here ASAP I am trying everything to make my way to S.F. bay of California if any one lives there and would be willing to have a tiny sister bunk with them i  would love love love the opportunity.
Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: tekla on November 26, 2010, 10:37:17 AM
The SF Bay Area is a most beautiful places in the world, with a perfectly awesome climate for human beings, and a world-class center for industry, finance, the arts, sports, world trade, and education.  The use of the phrase "San Francisco Values" pretty much proves that we are, in fact, the epitome of modernity, the veritable archetype of liberal progressive social and political values.

It's a major tourist destination, there are millions and millions, and millions of people from all over the world who just want to visit here for a few days.  And though it's not everyone, it should come as no surprise that there are a hella lot of people who want to live here.  And they want to live here for reasons as varied as spending the live kicking on the beach and catchin' some tasty waves to becoming a multi-millionaire before they are 30.  They come from all over the world.  And we're cool with that.  It means that straight-lace corporate business types (and we got tons, its a major corporate center) sit next to punk rockers (we got's lots of those too) on the bus, while I can go from the front of that bus to the back and hear at least 7 different languages spoken.  So it's not exactly an 'English Only' kind of place.  And those San Francisco Values pretty much decree that you have to be cool with all that too. 

For whatever reason -and I'm not sure what it is - people tend to group and clump together, and given the population that its drawing from it should not be surprising that within the Bay Area there are HUGE differences in what's going on, in the climate (both physical as well as social), the opportunities, and the people.  Living in Fremont or Walnut Creek is way different from living in West Marin or West Sonoma counties.  Living in San Francisco is way different from living in Oakland - even though they sit across from each other and look at each other.

Because of all of this and more, lots more there are two things that pretty much are true.
1. It's really, really, really - and I mean you can't believe it (unless you're from NYC) - expensive.
2. It's really, really, really highly-competitive.  You have to bring your "A" game.  You have to pretty much drip self-confidence all the time.









Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: Aidan_ on November 26, 2010, 10:40:25 AM
Hm. The only thing I can say is you must focus on yourself first. Once you have changed all you want and accepted yourself in every way...then you can focus on a love life.
Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: alia on November 26, 2010, 02:10:50 PM
Oh the Bay.

Seattle's cooler! ->-bleeped-<-'s way to expensive down there. We're total snobs though. The rest of the nation is occupied by barbarian facists who drink burnt coffee.

I kid.

Seriously though girl, anywhere on the west coast. SF, though expensive, is RAD. Portland is great and really cheap, but their economy is really really bad right now. Seattle is great, but cold and rainy, and we're notorious for being passive aggressive. It's hard to make friends here. That being said, we have a really strong, highly variable economy, and the most beautiful setting for a city besides (maybe, just maybe) Vancouver BC.

Anyway, my PNW snobbery shows through yet again. We don't transplant for a reason. If you like freezing cold rain, its the place for you.

EDIT:

Proof of beautifulnessitivity:

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.cdn.fotopedia.com%2Fflickr-2217162674-image.jpg&hash=8abef1b0a7e46efa17407b40b4b69ec6f610aac4)
Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: Jake_to_Jackie on November 26, 2010, 02:19:54 PM
are you offering me a place lol. i kid, I would love to pack up and just move to Seattle i live in a very wet climate and i prefer the cold over the hot mostly because i live in a wet hot humid land, I would pack up and move there tonight if i could but i could'nt :(
Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: alia on November 26, 2010, 02:35:02 PM
Sorry lady, I'd love you offer you a spot but i'm getting ready to accumulate massive amounts of debt, live with my parents, and go back to school (I'm stoked, but I'm not stoked, nahmeen).

Do you have a college degree? The academic environment is probably the best place to transition. Plus, Seattle is kind of absurd to try to live in without a piece of paper, nahmeen?
Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: Jake_to_Jackie on November 26, 2010, 04:09:54 PM
Well everyone that just told me i am not a idiot i just proved THAT wrong I just got sent home from work because i was too dumb to even function as a fry cook, i got sent home and i was so tied of my self and i was so angery with my self i punched the wall like a idiot, and now i got a write up. I hate my self i cant do any thing right, this is why I will never get a job better than this. Why is it that every thing i touch turns to ->-bleeped-<-, I cant do any thing right at all. Whats the point any more I am such a screw up im tired of this stupid body and the brain attached to it.
Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: alia on November 26, 2010, 07:48:44 PM
Paula, are you seeing a gender therapist? Counseling can help you develop tools to deal with emotions like frustration and inadequacy.

You can do it hun. The fundamental quality of all things, emotions included, is that they come, only to fade away.

Muah!

Alia
Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: Jake_to_Jackie on November 26, 2010, 08:15:10 PM
I cant afford it because i am too poor because (part of this sick joke some like to call a life) Were i was born, the family i grew up in, and my own retarded mind i was never able to succeed in high school, so while everyone else was getting real job and doing something with there lives im living in my parents house and i cant even a ford to go to the dentist to fix my freaked up(you have to understand how hard it is for me to be PG-13 right now) teeth, so to answer your question no i can not afford a therapist. I'm a wreck and i cant even afford a mechanic to fix me. but the punchline, im so against suicide every time i try I am unable to go through with it, because im too scared to even try...but (and im only telling this because this site is as close to therapy that ill ever beadle to afford) I have tried three times before, once with that spice stuff i tried to smoke enough to kill my self all that happened is i got a great high and nothing else not even a head ache the next morning, I tried to overdose on melatonin all that happened i passed out and woke up two days later. finally i tried to use a computer wire from the roof, could not even got the dumb wire around my neck before i just curled up on the bed and cried my self to sleep.

What can I say im like Vincent van gouh :/
Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: alia on November 26, 2010, 08:43:26 PM
Where do you live? You might be able to see someone on a sliding scale basis.

If you need to, I'd call a crisis line, oftentimes they can provide a referral to sliding scale/subsidized counseling. You need this, so make it your first step toward transition.

Hun, it's easy to be overwhelmed with all this stuff. Fear and pain are intense emotions, but they're your reality right now. You can get through this. If you look at the entire situation you're in all the time, you will be consistently overwhelmed. Maybe try looking at your next step- something you can do right now- toward transition and being who you are. Maybe it's calling a crisis line. Maybe it's searching for sliding scale gender counseling. Maybe it's getting up and going to work, and holding your tongue when you get angry. Just know that this is a step toward becoming the beautiful woman that you are.

This is hard work, and no one will pick you up and carry you. You must develop discipline and smile upon the task at hand. You must cultivate happiness from within. You can do it!

Keep posting darling. Let us know when you meet up with StacyBeaumont. What a great step to take! Meeting other successful trans people is amazing and inspiring.

Perserverance!
Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: Jake_to_Jackie on November 26, 2010, 08:54:35 PM
your right i need help, I just went from contemplating suicide to now laughing hard at Jeff Dunham, That's definition of depression, I need help honestly what is this sliding scale you speak of?
Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: CaitJ on November 26, 2010, 10:07:19 PM
Hey, I felt the same way when I was 22.
Yet here I am, 10 years on, engaged to be married to an amazing man, fully transitioned and surrounded by people who love me.
A LOT can happen in 10 or even 5 years. Never forget that.
Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: Arch on November 27, 2010, 12:56:46 AM
Paula, a lot of therapists will charge some patients according to income. The less money you make, the less you pay, to a certain point.

It would help if you could relocate to a large city with a good LGBT center--you can get low-cost counseling at some centers--but smaller areas often have free or almost-free therapy for low-income people who meet certain criteria and who are willing to jump through certain hoops. The therapists are often interns, but you might find it worthwhile to look into your city/county mental health services. I honestly don't know much about this stuff. Maybe you can start a new thread about finding counseling for low-income individuals.

Hotlines are often useful when you feel you can't take it anymore.
Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: alia on November 27, 2010, 01:00:03 AM
Generally clinical psychologists, doctors, PA's, RN's etc do a small amount of Pro bono work (donated) to free or subsidized clinics. Major cities are generally good places to start.

Sliding scale means that you give what you can pay for treatment. I bet you can find some!

From each according to their ability, to each according to their need.

If facism decides to rear its ugly head in my area and time, then I'll surely be one of the first to go. A well educated, transsexual socialist. I'm screwed!
Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: Jake_to_Jackie on November 27, 2010, 02:52:12 AM
90 to 100 percent of my paycheck goes to paying the house note, i honestly should not be going with stacy tonight because i dont know how im gonna afford it, hopefully there is no door charge and I can just drink water, so i wont pay drinks theni m ight get away with just paying for gas, but that will mean i am gonna go the next week with out eating, but i NEED THIS i really need to get close with some sisters I am so alone and need support.

PLease any one going out with us im not begging for money i am too proud and would never do that please dont think thats why im saying this im just telling you that because it gives you a idea of why i am unable to afford even low income payments
Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: JessicaH on November 27, 2010, 07:00:07 AM
There are free or low cost mental health services very close to you and I can point you the direction. There are also some low cost dental services at the college and other places.  I can't wait to meet you tomorrow and I know you will find meeting others like yourself to be very theraputic. Im a good problem solver and researcher so if you need help with something I can help you figure it out and how to take care of it. I just hired two part time workers so I can't hire you but I know a lot of people and may be able to help you find other employment.

Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: lightvi on November 27, 2010, 08:04:25 AM
I know depression sucks and it's hard to get out of. It's like this pit of tar that you can easily slip right into to. It starts to turn into an endless cycle and you don't even want to get out of bed in the morning. In the end you have to let go of it though and focus on what you want in life and your goals. When your depressed it's really hard to see past all the negative things, like if you get yelled at by your boss it's hard to look at things from a distance but if you can I think you'll see that not everything is terrible. I know I think people pass over me all the time and ignore me but I stopped caring about that, because I have nothing to prove to the world and I have to live my life for myself. Hopefully you don't think I'm saying I have all the answers because I'm writing to help myself figure things out too, I have problems with depression pretty often. It helps me to forget about people that are mean to you and look for people who will be nice to you, when you find them stick with them :).

And I just want to say that you look like a kind and intelligent soul and someone I could see myself wanting to get to know if I saw you at a party or anywhere. I know that's shallow saying that from just looking at one picture but those were just my first impressions.

Take care and *hugs!*
Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: JessicaH on November 29, 2010, 10:31:57 AM
I met Paula yesterday and she is the sweetest, prettiest and most intelligent girl you could ever meet. I introduced her to some other girls and she had the time of her life. It warmed my heart to see how happy she was when she could just be herself without anyone to judge her. She says she can't dance but  her petite body just moves with the beat. I think that maybe that "other person" may not be able to dance as a guy but Paula is just bursting at the seams to be let out and "shake it". lol

I had the most amazing time helping her and getting to know her as a friend. I think this will be a very long term friendship and I am HONORED to be her "Honorary Big Sister"!  It makes me feel wonderfull to know that she does not feel all alone anymore and that people can and will love her for who she is.

I'm sure Paula will be posting today about the beginning of her adventure along with some photos.
Title: Re: I will never find someone to love me.
Post by: Jake_to_Jackie on November 29, 2010, 12:02:33 PM
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,88193.new.html#new (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,88193.new.html#new)

Stacy last night was amazing, here is the forum on my telling of all of it. :) thanks again we will be BFFs I know it :3