Hey guys,
It's kind of annoying to sort through the forums for the info on different binders, so I'd like to get a comparison chart going. Unfortunately, my experience is rather limited. If you would, I would appreciate it if you'd post your size, the different models you've tried (please be specific as possible), what you liked/didn't like about them, and any other info you'd like to add. I have finals this coming week, but I'll start compiling everything this coming weekend.
Thanks :)
Cool! I'll definitely be checking it out! I'd like to contribute, but both of my binders were used when I got them, so they've been stretched out beyond their original states.
Good luck on finals, man. I just finished mine.
I can review the Model 790 Breast Binder by T-Kingdom. Size Large.
Fits me well and is really comfortable for beginning/casual binding. I like the velcro side because it's easy to get out of the binder - I have a fear of getting stuck inside a binder. It doesn't get me completely flat, but it does a decent job. It works better if you do the velcro side up and then pull the binder over your head rather than putting it on and then doing up the side like they suggest on their website.
Am hoping for another T-Kingdom model for Christmas so I can tell you how I find that one, then.
I have the Underworks Tri-Top Binder (style 983), small. I'm probably a 34 B bra if that helps.
Gets me very flat, although at the bottom of my breasts there's a bump where they end that can be felt, though not seen except through really tight clothing. Comfortable, I've spent up to 12 hours in it with minimum aching or breathing difficulty. I don't even notice it most of the time. So overall, I'm really happy with it. On the downside, I cannot put it on over my head without it nearly strangling me, the fabric's too stiff. I have to step into it, and since it has to go over wide hips daily it's stretching out a bit. Also, it's a little longer than it needs to be and rolls up over my belly, causing stiff folds that can show through thin shirts. Same problem around the neckline, if the shoulder straps aren't far enough apart in bunches in the middle and that fold is evident through a t-shirt.
Same as Nikolai I have the tri-top (983) in a medium, I'm around a D I think, only ever wore sports bras years ago sorry.
It gets me reasonably flat. I've had it for over a year so it's stretched out. When I first got it, it got me perfectly flat. No breathing issues or pain after 12 hours either. Durable because I've worn it everyday 12 hours a day for over a year and have washed and dried it. It is just now giving out. I also have the neckline issue and the rolling issue.
I pretty much ditto everything Nikolai and Michael Alexander said, I think I'm maybe a C? I come out as a size 34 on the Underworks sizing scale, and I have a small Tri-top, which is technically a size too small by their guide, but I definitely wouldn't want it any bigger. I've had it about 5 months and worn it pretty much every day, only ever hand washed it and never put it in a dryer. I'd say it doesn't bind me quite as well as it did when I first got it, but it's certainly still functional. It was a little uncomfortable when I first started wearing it: the straps sometimes dug into my shoulders, or under my armpits, but it never gave me chest pain or trouble breathing. The cutting in isn't a problem anymore and I can now wear it for a good 12 hours with no problems. I also have the neckline and rolling issue.
This is a good idea, I also have trouble sorting through all the forum threads. Thanks for doing it!
Ok, I'm going to go ahead and post here anyway... :D
My chest is 32-34" across, I honestly don't remember, and I only ever wore sports bras so I can't give a letter. I have a binder similar to the 997 Double Front from Underworks, and I was told that it fell between sizes small and medium from Underworks. It doesn't get me as flat as I'd like, but it's too big so that's to be expected. It doesn't bunch up in the front, but it's long and so it starts working its way up and bunching around my abdomen, which can show through a T-shirt.
I have a used tri-top from Underworks, size small, but it's been stretched out. Same thing about how flat it gets me. It's more comfortable than the full length one, but it has the same problems others have mentioned. Have any of you found a way to keep it from bunching up in the front? I keep pulling the shoulder straps apart but it doesn't really help. Did you guys have this problem with yours even when it was new and the right size?
Thanks for the info guys. I use the tritop as well, and it does the same thing on the top. I tend to wear a lot of layers, so it doesn't show too much. I considered ironing it or gluing/stitching the layers together at the top, but I'm not sure if it'll do any good. If anyone has a solution, please let me know.
I dont know the name of the one I have now but its the kind that is a tank top with chest and no stomach compression an it has 2 layers. I have a lesloveboat binder coming in the mail.
I used the tri top from underworks, but I hated it.. sure it got me super flat, but it really hurt, and I am a stickler for comfort, just wearing my binder makes me mad
My first binder was a size small tri-top. I'm about a 34-36 B in bra sizing. It gets me flat enough to pass, decently flat with only one shirt over it. I usually wear my binder, then a white t-shirt, then whatever shirt I'm wearing and it usually gets rid of the top hem of the binder showing. It dug in at my armpits for a while, but over time got better. It didn't roll up on me unless I ate a big meal, then it was kind of uncomfortable. I had it for about a year and it finally tore down a seam. :( I liked it better than my double front though in terms of comfort, because I didn't have to worry about tucking it in and it didn't roll nearly as bad. I put this binder on by stepping into it with the straps on top and just pulling it up.
My binder now is a size small double front. It was slightly used so it was a little stretched out when I got it, but not much. I'd say it gets me as flat as my tri-top did. I get the same arm pit problem with this one, and it hasn't gone away yet. I really hate the bulges it makes when my fat sticks out my arm pits! Sometimes the front hem sticks out more than my tri top did, but I've found that if I re-adjust and pull the binder up higher, it's fixed. I put this one on by stepping into it with the bottom hem facing up and the binder inside out, then when the bottom hem is even with my hips, I pull the straps up. This one is a little more uncomfortable for me than the tri-top because I have giant hips. I wear compression shorts and tuck my binder into them, but it never stays put very long. It likes to roll up pretty often. I like the hip compression it gives me, I just wish I could find a way to get it to stay down. Any ideas?
oh i forgotto mention that every double compression tank I have had, I have had an excess of fabric bunching in the back, and I had to cuta small triangle out of the back and then sew that together
probably just because my shoulers or back wasnt big enough
Quote from: Nikolai_S on December 11, 2010, 10:43:39 PM
I have the Underworks Tri-Top Binder (style 983), small. I'm probably a 34 B bra if that helps.
Gets me very flat, although at the bottom of my breasts there's a bump where they end that can be felt, though not seen except through really tight clothing. Comfortable, I've spent up to 12 hours in it with minimum aching or breathing difficulty. I don't even notice it most of the time. So overall, I'm really happy with it. On the downside, I cannot put it on over my head without it nearly strangling me, the fabric's too stiff. I have to step into it, and since it has to go over wide hips daily it's stretching out a bit. Also, it's a little longer than it needs to be and rolls up over my belly, causing stiff folds that can show through thin shirts. Same problem around the neckline, if the shoulder straps aren't far enough apart in bunches in the middle and that fold is evident through a t-shirt.
I have those same issues. I cut about 3 inches off the bottom so it doesn't stick out anymore and cut an upside down triangle shape at the neck area and sewed that up so it doesn't bunch up. It's pretty much perfect now.
For the record: my chest is about 30" at the widest point, and I'm nowhere near being even an A cup. I only bind when I'm wearing thin/stretchy shirts.
I had a double front compression shirt (997?) from Underworks a few years ago; I think it was an XS. I didn't like it because it tended to bunch up at the bottom, and it was pretty difficult to get on and off. I don't think it was that great at binding for me either, but I can't find any photos for comparison.
I just bought the high performance velcro binder from Love Boat, the short version and size small. It works much better for me since it's both tighter/shorter and adjustable. It does dig in a bit around the armpits, but not painfully and you can only tell if all I'm wearing is the binder.
side photo wearing the binder:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/phrosie/myself/DSCN3281.jpg (http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/phrosie/myself/DSCN3281.jpg)
You are sure flat chested in that picture. No hint of chesticles at all.
Yeah August, I'm jealous...
A comparison document drawing together reviews and stuff from all over the place would be AMAZING. I spent a few hours yesterday looking at the posts here and on http://chestbinders.wordpress.com (http://chestbinders.wordpress.com) and started work on a spreadsheet comparing facts, but it gave me an awful headache. I'd love to see something that actually manages to put all the information out there into something easy to digest.
Also, one thing I would be really helpful (for those who are posting reviews) would be to give actual measurements of around the ribcage and over the widest part of the chest - given how many bras are mis-sized, not to mention sizing variations between underwear manufacturers, I think concrete measurements would be much more useful to those of us trying to work out what size binders to buy.
Good point xynrenth.
Ok, here's my $.02.
Measurements: Widest is about 39, under is 34 so that's a 34DD.
Underworks 997: I had a medium and it was a little too big. I don't know if I could have gotten on a small though. It was pretty darn uncomfortable to boot.
LesLoveboat High strength http://www.lesloveboat.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=78_80&products_id=98&osCsid=eb29568a9f60316177473b02a86ab361 (http://www.lesloveboat.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=78_80&products_id=98&osCsid=eb29568a9f60316177473b02a86ab361) :
Size Large. Love it. Wear it all the time. Cons: Not wide enough coverage for bigger chests. The large is almost too large. If you're any smaller than me, get a medium. It's more comfortable than my sports bras and the velcro is a god-send. Seriously, you can get it on and off easily *and* adjust it -- what's not to love?
I'm going to order one of their wider coverages next. If anyone's my size and needs something from size chart A, I'd consider a medium. I'll probably get a large from chart B though, since they run smaller.
Hope that helps someone.
i have 2 tritops binders. i dont know my 'chest size' but im not very big really. i have both in size small i believe. they are both awesome, and i have no problems. the only little thing is the middle part at the top sticking out a bit aka 'barrel chest' but you cant notice that unless your wearing a real tight shirt. also it doesnt make me get 100% totally flat, but again, this is only noticed if i wore a real tight shirt.
hope thats all the info you need. i can put my weight/height if that would help too.
I was wondering if anybody had an experience with this one:
http://www.lesloveboat.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=77_73&products_id=189 (http://www.lesloveboat.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=77_73&products_id=189)
It's the 3rd Gen. Velcro Short Binder (I don't really care what the color is).
Quote from: Shayne on December 13, 2010, 06:51:11 AM
I have those same issues. I cut about 3 inches off the bottom so it doesn't stick out anymore and cut an upside down triangle shape at the neck area and sewed that up so it doesn't bunch up. It's pretty much perfect now.
Was that hard to do? I haven't thought about it but now that you mention it I want to try that with my double front cause it's stretched out bad in the front neck part.
I am a big guy - 6ft and just under 250lbs. probably about a 38D before I started T
I have 3 different underworks binders
The Tri Top tore me up, for whatever reason that thing cut into me pretty bad. Mostly the issue was where it would roll at the bottom. But it did it's job and kept me pretty flat
I switched to the Double Front Compression Shirt (style 997) and this has become my regular. Since I have a few extra lbs (kgs for our overseas friends;-) around the midsection it is nice to have full torso compression, plus it gives my front a general flat look instead of a sunken in chest and big belly that the tri top seemed to create. Also this one doesn't cut into me at all.
The third one I have is the New! Extreme Chest Concealer FTM Chest Binder (style 988) and honestly - don't waste your money. All it really is is a tri top sewn into an A shirt. The seam on the side where they connect started to tear the first time I put it on. It doesn't roll as bad as a regular tri top did on me, but it just isn't really worth it. Plus the cotton shirt isn't long enough. I couldn't even tuck it in, I had to have a friend sew an extra 6 inches on it so I could tuck it and keep it down.
The plus side is that since starting T the moobs have flattened (deflated as my ex put it) quite a bit and that makes it more comfortable for me to bind.
Also, I haven't seen the frog bra from title nine mentioned here. Before I started transitioning I used these, now I use them for swimming so I don't break down my binders. For larger breasts they defiantly minimize a lot, but for smaller sizes they can pretty much flatten.
http://www.titlenine.com/product/sports-bras-and-undies/medium-high-impact-sports-bras/310900.do?sortby=ourPicks&page=4 (http://www.titlenine.com/product/sports-bras-and-undies/medium-high-impact-sports-bras/310900.do?sortby=ourPicks&page=4)
They describe it as a "major masher" - I say, mash away
-Jace
i had the 997 double panel front compression shirt from underworks. i had a pretty big chest (size d or bigger) and it didn't get me perfectly flat but it helped a lot and stopped any kind of bouncing/movement.
the only problem i had was that it would roll up at the bottom, sometimes all the way up over my belly.
I've gotten three binders through underworks, two ultimate chest binders (style 997) and the tri-top binder. The chest binders were...mediums, I think, and the tri-top was a small. The tri-top probably gets me the flattest. But it's the newest, so that was to do with it as well. They stretch out pretty quickly on me, probably because I'm constantly rolling them down. The rolling up is definite the most annoying part, it drives me crazy and the tri-top actually hurts a bit when it rolls up. As of recently, my binding goes like this: the tri-top, the 997, and a pair of biker shorts-those really super tight spandexy shorts that no one should wear in public-that I tuck the 997 into so it doesn't roll up my fat belly. I can never pull any of my binders over my hips cuz it's just impossible. They'd probably rip. I have like...a thirty four inch chest? Maybe thirty two. I don't know.
http://www.lesloveboat.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=81&products_id=126 (http://www.lesloveboat.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=81&products_id=126)
I want that. So bad. I'd get a small because I am so, so insecure about my chest. I hate it.
This is a really cool idea, once I get back to my computer I'll be happy to add my thoughts on the T-kingdom 1700 and Underworks Tri-top, if that's helpful :)
Sorry for the double post, but I think this is a good enough reason :)
T-Kingdom 1700 "Long T-Shirt"
Size: Medium
Price: €52.94 (About $71 or £44).
Shipping: Shipping to UK was around €10 ($13 or £8), and it took just under two weeks to get here. Between 9 and 13 days, I'd say, but I'm not too sure.
Comfort: Getting the binder on is a total pain in the rectum. It's suggested that you can do up the elastic and slip it over your head, but if you do it up too tight it's impossible to get over your shoulders (I have a pretty small build too) — the only way to do this is to fasten it very loosely, which doesn't bind very well at all. You'll eventually get the hang of it, but you probably will need somebody to help you fasten the velcro the first few times you put it on. It's actually quite comfortable for the first hour or so (as comfortable as these things get anyway) but after a few hours (especially after eating) I would begin to suffer the most horrific back ache. The best thing by far about the velcro is being able to unstrap myself very easily at the end of the day. Whilst on the issue of comfort, the binding panel is quite long and stops just below my ribcage, so a very small portion of your stomach experiences some compression. This is not comfortable!
Binding ability: Once it's on, it really doesn't bind that well at all — the side of my chest where the velcro is never got as flat as the other side, giving me an attractive lumpy effect. Every morning I tried to put this on would turn into a stressful round of "boob aerobics," in which I would desperately squash my chest every which way in an attempt to find the best position for binding. Not cool.
Longevity: My 1700 lasted me about a year and a half before the elastic started to wear out. The little velcro panel also came unstitched and started to peel off towards the end of its life, however I did use my binder for swimming, which I think may have significantly shortened its lifespan.
Other: It's worth mentioning that about two days after I got my binder, when trying to do it up, I managed to pop a few of the stitches on the elastic. Probably my fault, but yeah — to me, it didn't seem that sturdily made!
Don't get me wrong, the 1700 is by no means a horrible binder and I thought it was brilliant when I got it (aside from the aforementioned boob aerobics), but at its rather hefty price I would certainly think carefully before ordering it. There are cheaper, better alternatives out there!
Underworks Tri-top
Size: Small
Price: $29.99 (About £18)
Shipping: Shipping to UK was around $19 (£11). Arrived astonishingly quickly — within two or three days of ordering, which was the absolute best.
I USED THE "UNDER10" DISCOUNT CODE WHICH KNOCKED $3 OFF THE PRICE, making my total with shipping $48.99, or £30
Comfort: It took me a while to wiggle my way into this thing — I was not able to get it on over my head on my first two attempts, and stepping into it didn't work for me either. Third time lucky as they say, I managed to get it on over my head and was astounded at the comfort of this thing. For me, personally, it's a gazillion times more comfortable than the T-Kingdom binder — the binding panel thing stops just above the bottom of my ribcage leaving the rest of my midsection free to breathe, and God what a difference this makes. It does get pretty uncomfortable after extended periods of time, but it's nowhere near as bad. It's a little more difficult to take off at the end of the day, but it's a small price to pay for something that doesn't give me terrible back pain whilst wearing it.
Binding ability: Binds gloriously. I was astounded at how flat this thing got me — I wasn't too hopeful, but oh my god it's amazing. Much, much, MUCH better than the 1700 and I cannot stress that enough. It does stretch out a bit over time (I have the most horrible habit of not washing my binders very often at all) but from what I've heard it shrinks back down after a good wash. Requires only the most minimal of chest adjustment to bind effectively.
Longevity: I've only had it a couple of months, and I don't tend to bind 24/7 (I bind less in winter 'cause I'm covered up pretty well by my gigantic coat) but it's showing no signs of wear so far. Time will tell!
Other: I've suffered from a dreadful case of sore nipples from both of my binders (most notable when new or just after washing) but, for me, it was much worse with the Tri-top when it was brand new. I seriously thought they were rubbed raw and oozing at one point, it was like I was on fire. The material is quite a bit rougher than the T-kingdom one, so if you have sensitive skin you might want to think about using some small squares of fabric to protect your nipples!
Hope that's okay, sorry it's not terribly detailed. I'm kinda half asleep, but hopefully it'll be useful :)
the problem I have with the tritop is that I can't breath when wearing it. I didn't purchase it though a friend sent it to me.
36-39 is about the right size for me, the tri-top is smaller than that and doesn't feel too small.
Tri-top Chest Binder, Style 983. M
Binds the tightest, cuts me under my arms, but I can put padding there and the pain of the binder is less than the pain of the dysphoria for me. For bigger guys who want the tightest bind that's the one to go for, as it binds the tightest it may also cause issues like Andy mentions above.
Chest Binder, Style 988. M
Is quite comfy to wear, has the relaxed midsection which I like if I'm wearing it for extended periods, and I generally wear it inside out to stop the binding part from riding up.
The Ultimate Chest Binder Suit, Style 967. M
Because it's a body suit it can't ride up, it's pretty comfortable although I prefer not to wear it for longer periods because of the all-over compression, it's good for times when I'm going out for a few hours and really don't want any dysphoria or to be constently pulling the binder down when it rides up. It's also made with a spot just for a packy, and stp if you want.
I'm currently waiting for my 997 and 974 Muscle Shirt to arrive from the States. I've also ordered some Compression Shorts, just to see what they're like.
I just ordered this one
http://www.lesloveboat.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=83&products_id=124 (http://www.lesloveboat.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=83&products_id=124)
I'll make a review once I get it.
Hello! Great idea :)
http://www.lesloveboat.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=98 (http://www.lesloveboat.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=98)
I just got the High Strength Velcro Short Binder from LesLoveBoat in the mail a few days ago and I absolutely love it. It gets me pretty flat and it's incredibly comfortable considering how much it's compressing my chest. My only complaint is that I have to do quite a bit of adjusting to get it to look just right, but once it's there everything stays put and I forget I'm even wearing anything.
My ribcage measures 29"-30", and when I'm not binding my moobs measure about 33"-34". I ordered a small and it fits perfectly with the adjustable velcro at about the 3/4 point on the side strip. The v-neck is also a nice addition- definitely gives me more leeway with my button down shirts haha.
Here's a shot of me wearing it- and for the record I'm wearing a necklace in this photo so if you see a small oddly shaped bump higher up on my chest that's all it is haha. http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h125/Stunsehs/IMG_1056.jpg (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h125/Stunsehs/IMG_1056.jpg)
Ok I figured I'd put my two sense in about this. I own two binders; the Double Front Compression Shirt from underworks, and the Sports Pullover Short Binder-White. I'm a size 34 B I believe for reference.
Double front (http://ftm.underworks.com/ (http://ftm.underworks.com/)):
This binder is super uncomfortable. It would bunch in my stomach area and hurt like crazy. I have to readjust several times a day. It was really just a hassle.
With that said, it does bind pretty well. I'll post a picture.
http://i.imgur.com/tcuA7l.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/tcuA7l.jpg)
Overall though, I don't like it. I got a small. It was uncomfortable to move and it cut into my armpits, stomach, and sides. I would not recommend it unless comfort is not an issue.
Sports Pullover Short Binder (http://www.lesloveboat.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=124{2}5): (http://www.lesloveboat.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=124%7B2%7D5):)
I just got this binder today and I already love it. At first I didn't see how it could bind that much but when I put it on, it did a pretty decent job. Its super comfortable and it breathes easily. It is much cooler then my double front. Basically, it barely feels like I'm wearing anything.
Binding wise, it's decent. I don't know that it gets me as flat as my double front does. I got a medium but I feel like I could have gone down a size.
http://i.imgur.com/byMkPl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/byMkPl.jpg)
I like this binder way more then I like the double front.
*Note: I'm not wearing any sort of undershirt in either picture. Just that one shirt*
I've only tried the tri-top from underworks so far. I have a medium (I was a 34 by their measuring standards). I'm about 5'6, 150lbs, and a 36D. The tri-top gets me pretty close to flat. You can't see anything under a normal shirt, but I probably couldn't wear anything tight without some layering. I find it pretty uncomfortable for long periods of time, though (more than 2 or 3 hours). It starts to hurt my neck and back and cut in under my armpits. Wearing an undershirt underneath it helps with the under the arms issue, though. It also rolls up a little bit at the bottom which can be annoying.
"Super Strength Zipper Short Binder-Black"
From lesloveboat, I just ordered it today so it'll get here in a week or two. Fifty five dollars. I got a small, even though I'm well aware I should have gone with a medium, but whatever. I'd rather have a too tight bind than not enough. I'm five four, about one forty, and around a thirty two inch B cup. Or something like that. And I need to lose at least twenty pounds by June because that's when I have my appointment to get started on the whole testosterone process and I wanna be like fit. I'll write a review on the binder as soon as I get it. I'm sooo excited.
Quote from: Xyrenth on January 23, 2011, 11:25:26 AM
Also, one thing I would be really helpful (for those who are posting reviews) would be to give actual measurements of around the ribcage and over the widest part of the chest - given how many bras are mis-sized, not to mention sizing variations between underwear manufacturers, I think concrete measurements would be much more useful to those of us trying to work out what size binders to buy.
Okay... I already posted my review of the underworks tri-top. But my rib cage under my moobs is 28 in, and across is 33. Above is 31.5. Moobs are also pretty... dead. And were before I used an actual binder, so they bind easily.
Someone also mentioned the tri-top ended where their ribs ended, whereas for me it was about navel length, so height might be relevant. I'm 5'4.
Never had a problem with the underarm digging in thing, but maybe that's because I have stick arms? So that would make the width of your upper arms something to keep in mind, I suppose.
i hav an XS white tri-top binder from underworks and i absolutely love it!!
every1 sez it rolls up but i hav nevr had that happen to me.
so yeah its great. i also hav a teeny tiny bump, but i think it looks like pecks so thats all good. ill post sum pics later.
so here is me in my binder. (excuse the weird pose)
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg141.imageshack.us%2Fimg141%2F7448%2Fphoto57i.jpg&hash=5043cc4fefb7cefd2a3820622ea2a82fb06e29e6)
As a larger guy (5'1" and 220lbs) binding has been a problem for me. Either I end up with it rolling (didn't matter which unless it was minimal support like the Concealer shirt) or not enough compression. It's been interesting reading all these comments. I think one of the bigger challenges is many of these aren't designed for larger FTMs, or -- as is the case of Underworks -- they were designed for cis-gendered men who have chest surgery or are hiding their "tires". I wish that someone would design a binder for the likes of me so that I could get compression that works (at least until surgery).
I will say that Underworks, for the most part, offers the best compression. I've been using their Concealer for now (having a beard makes people think I just have moobs).
Andrew, could I ask your chest measurements? If you'd rather not disclose that's fine.
im about 28 or 29 inches. so i think like an A or B in bra sizes. idk ive nevr had a bra.
Size: 36 D
I have two binders from Love Boat: the Super Strenght Velcro Binder and the High Performance Velcro Binder. I typically wear both of them.
Super Strenght Velcro Binder (size XL)
This one is the best for me, very comfortable and nice results. Although the size is alright, I went ahead and added some more velcro tape for extra tightness, sacrificing some comfort and breathing ability for better flatness.
It's made of a strong, thick material, and although it allows for fairly good ventilation, during a hot day it makes me sweat a lot.
High Performance Velcro Binder (size 2XL)
Although this one is said to give better flatness than the Super Strength, I find that my chest is a lot flatter with the Super Strength. This binder is made of a lighter material that allows for better ventilation and it looks really nice, it's very comfortable. The size is good but again, I will be adding some additional velcro stick tape.
For best results I wear it under my Super Strength Binder. I believe it makes me as flat as I can get, being a D cup.
Both of these binders stretch throughout the day... I usually make a couple of stops at the restroom to adjust them everyday.
I will try to add pictures when I can.
I have the tri top from underworks. I havent worn a real bra in years but I think I was like a 38 D. I have a medium tri top. I have no breathing or underarm problems. It sometimes rolls up a bit when Im making pizzas working 12 hour shifts, but I just pull it down. Its a little annoying but not too bad. I plan on purchasing the 997 soon, so ill review that when I do.
I have the t-kingdom : 1700 long shirt and I am around D size / 34". I got the medium size and it was around £50 (UK here). Came after about 1-2 weeks, and at first I was thrilled... And then a little disappointed. I am large, but for that price I expected a miracle let's be honest :P I'm a student so that kind of ££ is loooads to me, in fact it's the 2nd most expensive thing I've ever bought myself (the first being my DM's which I was and am far more happy with :P).
Anyway I have had it for let's say 8 months now, and the non Velcro side has split stitches at a point, which I should really sew up. I never go out without it on, but the job it does is marginal on me.
Binding:I put it on and try to squish them to the sides, where it binds best, but the problem is a very large gap between the boobs where they eventually come back together to create THE MONOBOOB, which is ugly and horrible. When they are to the side I get sideboob which then allows the fabric to dig in underneath my arms and make that area sore. I find I have to adjust the boobs back to the side whenever I get the chance, annoying because the shirt must be tucked into trousers.
Rigidity/ Longevity: I find that below the boobs, the compression fabric flips up due to bending which is uncomfortable (the binder has now many dents in it from places where I bend and it has 'memorized' that, and will not go back to being nice and flat. When it's off me it has many folds and bumps in it that do not go away with washing). It has also discoloured to be a bit grey/ yellow in some places which again does not go away with washing... I am loathe to wash it since the mediocre job it does will only become more mediocre. On several occasions, when I have been out, the Velcro has just given up and the whole thing has come undone- MOST annoying and embarrassing. This is the only size for me, if it were any bigger it would just not bind, and I would not fit in it if it were any smaller.
Comfort: At first I thought it felt like a long hug, but now after just an hour I find that my back aches, my ribs ache (the compression fabric encompasses the ribs and you cannot breathe fully), after I eat I get reflux (I have acid reflux so this is not inherent in the item, I assume) and as stated, I cannot run very well or strain myself because fluid will build up in the lungs where you cannot breath properly- also the original discomfort only doubles when doing this. I have had to sleep in it on occasion... Sometimes for more than one day at a time, I suppose only lending to it's lack of binding. But those were the most uncomfortable nights ever and when I could finally get it off it felt like heaven... I just can't let them be 'free' so it's binder or my crappy 'home' bra.
Overall: For large sizes, this is mediocre at best. For someone smaller than me, C and below, or under 34" I am almost 100% sure this would work a charm (but probably still be uncomfortable). As it is, size D and 34" there is just nowhere for them to go within the item where they will stay until they reach monoboob... It's the friend I hate but have to go out with all the time :(
When my birthday comes up I will be searching for an Underworks binder and hopefully something better... It makes me very upset that my binder does not really work and often stops me from going out because I just don't feel like wearing it and going through with the discomfort.
Quote from: andrewtheman77 on February 25, 2011, 10:32:32 PM
im about 28 or 29 inches. so i think like an A or B in bra sizes. idk ive nevr had a bra.
correction: across im 29, above im 30 and below im like 28 or 27 all in inches.
Quote from: artur on February 26, 2011, 08:33:44 PM
Size: 36 D
I have two binders from Love Boat: the Super Strenght Velcro Binder and the High Performance Velcro Binder. I typically wear both of them.
Super Strenght Velcro Binder (size XL)
This one is the best for me, very comfortable and nice results. Although the size is alright, I went ahead and added some more velcro tape for extra tightness, sacrificing some comfort and breathing ability for better flatness.
It's made of a strong, thick material, and although it allows for fairly good ventilation, during a hot day it makes me sweat a lot.
High Performance Velcro Binder (size 2XL)
Although this one is said to give better flatness than the Super Strength, I find that my chest is a lot flatter with the Super Strength. This binder is made of a lighter material that allows for better ventilation and it looks really nice, it's very comfortable. The size is good but again, I will be adding some additional velcro stick tape.
For best results I wear it under my Super Strength Binder. I believe it makes me as flat as I can get, being a D cup.
Both of these binders stretch throughout the day... I usually make a couple of stops at the restroom to adjust them everyday.
I will try to add pictures when I can.
adding some pics as promised...
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left: without binder or bra, right: 2 binders on as indicated above.
artur: have u tried only 1 binder? because binding too hard can cause many damages including not being able to hav chest surgery wen its time.
This. A lot of guys seem to wear 2-3 binders. Especially if they're bigger. I wear one XL tri-top and while I wish it bound better, I don't know if I could handle 2. I seem to pass ok if someone sees me from far away.
i think artur mite b ok with only 1 binder cause his chest doesnt look too big without any binders my its not my body so i dunno.
you can really tell i have chest if i wear only one binder... but ive been a bit worried since my breast has been hurting where I tie the velcro. i'll be cutting back to 1 binder for a while because the thought of not being able to have top surgery is unbearable. thanks...
Quote from: andrewtheman77 on March 16, 2011, 07:11:06 PM
artur: have u tried only 1 binder? because binding too hard can cause many damages including not being able to hav chest surgery wen its time.
You can still have top surgery, you just might have to go with double incision rather than keyhole and/or it might not look as good. Bigger concern is what it does to your lungs/ribs, especially if you're young. It can do irreparable medical damage. Try to minimise the time you double bind at least.
I'd suggest trying a different binder, actually, if one binder from Love Boat doesn't do well for you. Something that stretches throughout the day doesn't seem ideal. :-\
Also, news on the tri-top: I just ordered an additional, and the new one binds slightly less tightly, even though it's brand new. But I don't get the issue with the neckline sticking out, and I can get it over my head, unlike the old version. This is consistent with inconsistencies I've read about, including on the length of the tri-top. I think Underworks has two different versions circulating and doesn't identify them.
T-kingdom 1700 long shirt: These are pictures from within the first week of getting it.
IMG 1 (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y243/Halfway_to_Nowhere/PICT0090-1.jpg)
IMG 2 (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y243/Halfway_to_Nowhere/PICT0089-1.jpg)
IMG 3 (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y243/Halfway_to_Nowhere/PICT0088-1.jpg)
There were rips maybe the first day or two after getting it. The seam is almost ready to give. The binder does not bind my chest at all. The binding material is not large enough to cover my whole chest. The straps are too long for my body so the binding material always rests underneath where it should be.
Binding on me (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y243/Halfway_to_Nowhere/snapshot9-2.jpg)
It's less comfortable than a sports bra and does less work. I think it might work on a smaller guy. My binder was ordered 3 sizes too small according to their chart but I could easily close the velcro to the tightest. I give it a D- or an F.
Underworks 997:
Binding on me (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y243/Halfway_to_Nowhere/snapshot8.jpg)
Negatives: The armpit holes are too big. The neck is cut a little too low for my liking. The material isn't great if you sweat a lot. It rolls at my hip/under my muffin top.
Pros: It binds pretty well. It covers my entire chest. Moderately comfortable. It binds my massive hips. It creates a smooth line from chest to belly, fills in the gaps.
This is my favorite binder of the ones I own. I give it a B+
Underworks tri-top:
Binding on me (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y243/Halfway_to_Nowhere/snapshot10-2.jpg)
Negatives: rolls up in a more uncomfortable spot than the 997. I can't bind down and out because it isn't long enough. There's a gap in the front between my body and the binder. VERY hard to get on. Material is same as 997 so all of the material issues are the same. Very uncomfortable.
Pros: It binds pretty well. Armpit holes are about the right size.
This is a binder I usually don't use. The drawbacks and it overall not fitting is enough for me to not wear it. I give it a C
Measurements:
Hips: 46
Waist: 34
Under bust: 35
Over widest part of chest: 44
Quote from: Nikolai_S on March 20, 2011, 01:00:50 AMAlso, news on the tri-top: I just ordered an additional, and the new one binds slightly less tightly, even though it's brand new. But I don't get the issue with the neckline sticking out, and I can get it over my head, unlike the old version. This is consistent with inconsistencies I've read about, including on the length of the tri-top. I think Underworks has two different versions circulating and doesn't identify them.
Is this a newer version of the tri top? If so, when did it come out? I bought one in January and the neck line ALWAYS sticks out!
Quote from: Fumbling Towards Ecstasy on March 20, 2011, 04:06:15 PM
Is this a newer version of the tri top? If so, when did it come out? I bought one in January and the neck line ALWAYS sticks out!
I don't know if it's new, or old, or an anomaly, because I heard reviews of the inconsistency last year, spring/summer, and got my first summer/fall. I actually ordered two this time, and one is the old/first type (let's call it type a) and the second is the odd one out (type b). Type b is black and a is white, but I don't know why that would make a difference, and even with my eyes closed I can tell. B is
much stretchier, almost like a sports bra. The part that doesn't actively bind just hangs there, rather than binding my stomach as well. The fabric doesn't feel as coarse and dense. But honestly, I prefer type a because it binds better. 2-3 cm difference in binding power, based on how much further I can push in my chest when they're on.... and it sounds tiny but it makes a difference to me. Type b is better for long term wear because it doesn't feel as stiff or constricting.
It's utterly bizarre. Maybe they're gradually introducing a new style? Or maybe two separate factories have inconsistencies? I don't know how else to explain it.
my trans frend has another trans frend hoo is workin on makin sum binders wit bettr materials and more comfortable and hes tryin 2 not make it hurt yur chest as much. hes gunna give me sum 4 free wen he makes them. so ill keep you guys posted.
Man, I just tried my new Underworks 997, and I can't get flat worth a thing.
I just have too much chest.
So It seems like people like the tri-top? I was considering getting one.
That's what I have, and I have some issues with it. It binds well on the bottom, but it's loose on top, making it like a push up bra ::) I'm going to try a les loveboat one soon.
Ah I see. I have the long tank top looking one. I like it flatness wise, but its super uncomfortable. I guess I'd want a shorter version of that xD.
I've concluded I can only have binders that are full length and bind everything. Blasted hips are wider than my shoulders!
I guess I'm lucky in that department. Clothes normally hide my hips. My brother said I shouldn't worry about it too much because his hips look similar to mine. I've never noticed it before xD.
But yeah. The full length binders (or at least the one from underworks) binds too much in my stomach. It hurts to eat with it on. So I'm looking for one that binds just as well but isn't as long.
Quote from: Nikolai_S on March 20, 2011, 01:00:50 AM
I'd suggest trying a different binder, actually, if one binder from Love Boat doesn't do well for you. Something that stretches throughout the day doesn't seem ideal. :-\
Just wanted to clear Love Boat's shop's name here! Despite my complaining, my flimsiest Love Boat binder binds way better than my underworks one, and if you can invest in a Love Boat binder I highly recommend you do for better comfort and binding. For smaller chests it probably wouldn't be necessary, just more comfortable.
I'm back to wearing 2 binders, but a bit looser. It actually binds better if I don't tighten it as much, and I'm not feeling any pain or discomfort anymore.
i think if u hav a small chest the underworks binders work perfectly fine, not a big deal for me tho because i cud bind wit 2 sports bras if i wanted 2 but people feel my back and ask me what i am wearing when i wear sports bra's.
I just got my first binder, a tritop from Underworks. I measured how they instructed on the website, and came out to a 34, which is where the sizing for medium begins. I chose to go with a small regardless, and I'm glad I made that decision, I don't think a medium would've worked well for me. It was a hassle to get on and off the first time, but it's getting slightly easier now that I know how to do it better.
Just in case anyone is wondering- I'm 5'7, about 150lbs, and I believe my bra size was 36C. This is a comparison shot wearing a small men's t-shirt (usually my undershirt). It doesn't do a perfect job, but it's definitely an improvement.
edit: Like some others have said, the front collar doesn't lay flat for me, it's kinda noticeable :(
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honestly from the pictures i dont really see the collar
Hey guys, finally got my Les Love boat Jersey mesh binder today!!! So excited it's finally here! ;D
Here's a semi-quick review on it. I'll include pics of my tri top and the jersey mesh. For reference, I'm 5'5, about 160 lbs, B in bras, and I wear a small tri top (could prob wear a medium?) and a large jersey mesh.
First off, the material is wayyy different. The jersey mesh is almost like a kind of stiff cotton material lined with one layer of mesh. There's not much give at all, if any, which is much different from the underworks material which is fairly stretchy.
Getting it on...maybe I'm just really uncoordinated, but I can't line the stupid velcro up on the jersey mesh for the life of me! I finally resorted to doing the velcro up, then putting it on over my head like a shirt. Thus, the velcro could stand to be tighter on me, but it does fine the way it is.
Binding power and comfort...I honestly think they bind about the same. Maybe since my chest isn't huge, it doesn't make much of a difference which binder I use. But the jersey mesh is much looser than my tri top. The neckline is not a problem in the jersey mesh, but it comes up a lot higher than a tri top neckline. The jersey mesh lies very well under shirts. You can't see any lines from the straps or neck at all, which is a huge plus for me. I think the jersey mesh will be more comfortable overall, because it doesn't constrict your stomach and it's not really tight at all. It also doesn't pinch your underarms, which I hated about the tri top.
Cons of jersey mesh...It's pretty short compared to a tri top. My chest isn't super big and I still feel like I'm gonna fall out the bottom. If you're any bigger than I am, I don't know if I would try this one. The bottom hem isn't tight because of the fabric so it just kind of hangs there and isn't flush with your body. Might look sort of odd in super tight shirts? You also have to be a contortionist imo to fasten the stupid thing correctly. Oh, because of the material differences, your chest is kinda soft and squishy in the jersey mesh, whereas in the tri top, it felt harder and firmer.
Pros of jersey mesh...Super comfy. Doesn't show under shirts. I actually think I'm going to use it over my tri top on my upcoming cruise as my swim binder, because you can't see it under shirts. Binds just as well as my tri top.
Sooo that's my review. I only just got it today, so I'll update you guys when I get back from my cruise next weekend and let you know how it did in the water. Hope this helps!!
Pics....Jersey mesh on the left, tri top on the right:
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Okay so now I have two binders and I figure I should post my reviews of them. Might help someone, who knows.
LesLoveBoat Sports Pullover Short Binder - http://www.lesloveboat.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=57&products_id=124 (http://www.lesloveboat.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=57&products_id=124)
Size: Medium (measured the widest part of my chest around the moobs and that was about 33 inches)
Comfort: Half the time I don't even know I am wearing it... so it's definitely got an A+ there. The fabric it is made out of is very soft and not scratchy at all.
Binding power: Binds me fairly well. I am a bit small-chested though so I'm not sure of the ability to bind others. The material on the front is fairly non-stretchable. From just looking at it without it on I didn't think it would bind, but it surprised me.
Other: You can wear it for more than a few days in a row and it won't lose it's power very much at all. It does become just a bit loser the first time using it after a wash, but not so much that it ruins the binding ability. If you are worried about that though, washing it will make it good as new. Overall I'm happy with this product.
Picture: The binder is on under a wife-beater. The fabric starts up a bit under my arms which is cool because I can move around easily:
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Then I just got this binder today:
LesLoveBoat High Performance Velcro Short Binder - http://www.lesloveboat.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=57&products_id=127 (http://www.lesloveboat.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=57&products_id=127)
Size: Medium (same as other binder. widest part of my chest is 33 inches, for reference)
Comfort: Just like with the other binder, it's very comfortable. The material has the same almost silky feel, which is cool. Since the Velcro strap has a nice range it is adjustable for how tight you want it. I don't have mine to the very end and don't need it to be that tight.
Binding power: For me it binds me basically completely flat. Since the Velcro is adjustable I have a little more choice when it comes to how tight or flat I want to look.
Other: The armholes are closer up to my armpits on this one so it provides more coverage if your moobs tend to spread to the sides. I think it'd work really well for people with a B or C cup (don't quote me on that though!) Even though the armholes are so close though it doesn't restrict my movement. I haven't tried yet, but I think I can work out in this without a problem. The Velcro tab doesn't stick out or make any weird shape with a t-shirt, and it won't come apart unless you want it to.
Picture: Sorry if the photo is fuzzy. The tank top I am wearing over it is very very thin, so essentially that's the shape it would have if I was only wearing the binder.
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Between these two binders I can't say I prefer one over the other. They both have their own advantages that might be better for one person or another just based on personal taste. For example the pullover doesn't have the Velcro, so you don't need to worry about any noise when taking it on or off. However since it is non-adjustable it might be hard for some people to get it on if you are larger chested (I personally don't have a problem with it). The Velcro is cool because if you feel like binding loosely one day you can do so, due to the ability to adjust that. Neither of them make you really sweaty in the heat (and I live in Florida, so take it for what it's worth, lol). Price-wise, the pullover is around $10 cheaper, so if you're like me or even smaller chested I think that would be a pretty good choice. If you've had problems with your moobs migrating to the sides of your binder the Velcro one has more coverage... Anyways I'm ranting on and on, but I'm just trying to make sure I've covered everything. If you have any questions I haven't answered you can PM me though. Hope this helps someone!
I have an Underworks style 997 in a medium. I wear 34DD bras, but I'm probably a 32DDD.
It works decently, I suppose. Nothing will get me flat until after my breast reduction, but this binder does its best. The only thing I have to compare it to is an Ace bandage, which works comparably well, but tightens uncomfortably.
I can still breathe all right in the binder, but I can't get a truly full, deep breath. Because of the length, it compresses my diaphragm and stomach. When I breathe deeply, I expand from the lower abdomen all the way up through the chest, and this binder squishes all of that area down.
hey im new here but ive been making home made binders. ive made over 50of the things and tried many materials. im currently working on typing up my results so if you want i can post it up in a few days. im gifted with 14bs. that are easy to bind. im not sure what the us equivanent is. :) but i will do my best to get some data up.
Apologies for the length of this post, I wanted to be thorough.
I recently bought the Juya High Performance Velcro Short Binder from Les Love Boat in size L. My overbust is 36", my underbust 32".
The ordering process was very easy. Shipping was prompt, they told me it would take 10 to 14 business days, but it arrived in 7.
According to the relevant size chart on the website, a size L for this binder fits overbusts from 34" - 36". I've been steadily losing weight over the past year so I thought this size would be perfect — fitting me now, and yet giving me some room to lose weight. My only worry was that, since I'm right at the upper end of the size range, it might be too small. Not so. It fits me well, however, it fits me well when I have the velcro done up as far as it will go. If I lose more weight, it could easily become too large. Thankfully I can sew, so I can take it in if need be, and it still fits me fine for now. With the binder on, the widest part of my chest measures 33".
Side-on comparison, sports bra vs. binder:
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Excuse my cluttered bedroom.
Front view:
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The front view isn't entirely representative, IMHO - the underboob shadows seen here make it look like it doesn't bind as well as it does. If you look at the side view you can see that the fabric continues down quite straight and hides the transition from breasts to midriff fairly well.
This binder is REALLY comfortable. I'd say it was about the same level of overall comfort as many of the sports bras I own. I've not tried Underworks binders but I have tried homemade binders made from similar spandex net, as well as one made with wide elastic similar to T-Kingdom. While they worked well, my chest felt quite constricted and there could be a lot of chafing, especially under the arms. This binder has no such problems. Rather than constricting, the pressure feels more comparable to a hug. It actually feels very "secure" and reassuring to me. My ability to breath deeply is barely hindered at all. I wouldn't say it's at 100%, but there's no real noticible difficulty.
One issue I have with this binder is that there are some problems with it not binding as well above the arm holes. It doesn't look too terrible but there are some lumps there, as you can see in the side view. Since the arm holes aren't cut that high on me, and there's a lot of slack in the upper part of the shoulder straps, I'm actually planning on taking it in along the shoulder seam. I've tried hitching it up by the shoulders to see how what difference it makes, and it seems like it will help a lot towards flattening out the lumps.
Like so:
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According to the website, this binder is made from Tactel. Tactel is a trademarked brand of nylon, produced by Invista, much like Lycra is Invista's trademarked brand of elastane/spandex. The binder fabric feels pretty similar to other nylon microfibre/elastane mix fabrics that are frequently used for things like underwear — e.g. I have a piece of clothing that is 93% Meryl nylon, 7% spandex, and it feels identical to what the binder is made from. It's very smooth, almost slippery, and doesn't pill easily.
The front is two layers of Tactel with a non-stretch interlayer between them, and the back is one layer of Tactel. This non-stretch interlayer is fused to the inner layer of Tactel and then stitched on at regular intervals. I actually think it feels like fusible interfacing. It's not especially thick and doesn't add much bulk, and the non-stretch nature of the front really helps smooth out curves. The non-stretch interlayer ends at neckline level.
The velcro is pretty good. The side with the hooks feels a little sturdier and the hooks themselves are shorter than what I'm used to.
Front view of the binder alone, with the velcro undone:
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Showing the velcro:
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Back view, velcro fastened:
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Wearing it under a t-shirt:
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Under a shirt:
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All in all, I'm very happy with it. I think it looks much better under a shirt than a t-shirt, but hopefully taking it in along the shoulder will reduce the lumpiness in the upper chest, and help this.
to nogoodnik
Thanks for such an awesome and detailed review. It totally helped me find something that worked. Plus, you look great in the dress shirt.