i never liked it that much before. ever, it was just o.k. i guess but now it's the best tasting food! and I'm kinda sure it's a guy thing to like it (or just any fried food that's terrible for you). i just wondered out of curiosity how many other guys noticed that same thing. or how many women used to like it before transition but now don't so much.
I love bacon now, and I'm sure that won't change after transition. my mouth is literally watering just thinking about it...
i crave meat so much now!
bacon, chicken, steak, tacos with ground beef, beef jerky
Haha at first i'm thinking okay....bacon taste increase? And then I actually start to think about it, and I always preferred sausage over bacon. And now I'd take bacon any day. Very weird...don't know if its the whole transition thing or not.
I love meat now, bacon included, so I don't think it'll change much after transition. I never get to have good bacon; at least at my dad's, I'm always eating turkey bacon, and even that's kinda rare. >_> But my personal favorite is medium-rare steak. Mmmm.... steak. *mouth watering* :icon_dribble:
Damn, now I want bacon. XD :icon_chew: :icon_dribble:
I actually don't eat bacon or any type meat from a pig, but I do love burgers, steak, and chicken. There's nothin better than a juicy cheeseburger and that will never change.
No, oddly I don't seem to like food very much right now. Which is great for my weight and T changes, but...
(The idea of a steak sounds fantastic, just the actual thing isn't all that interesting after a couple bites)
I'm wondering if this will change when I'm on T, but I have no real interest in meat in general. I've been vegetarian/vegan for five years up until a few months ago, and I still rarely eat it. I'll just have to wait and see.
I'm vegan so I hope I don't get a higher craving for meat. It's finally gone away! I'll have to resist.
Ah meat. Never craved it, liked it, wanted it, or thought it smelled anything like good or acceptable. I haven't changed in that opinion. It still causes my stomach have upheavals.
There's people who don't like bacon?
I was forced into vegetarianism, born into a vegetarian family. I'm still one since I don't feel like dealing with lectures. I've had bacon before. At Applebee's you can get any burger, except sliders, with a veggie patty instead of a real one. Half the time they will still put the bacon on.
Hell no. But I do have very mild cravings for seafood I can ignore.
Quote from: Noah the brave-ish on February 24, 2011, 09:52:37 PM
or how many women used to like it before transition but now don't so much.
I avoid most meats now because of their androgenic effects. But it has less to do with not liking it, and more to do with not liking its effects on my body.
I do find that I don't like the taste of many meats, now. Most dark meats in particular I don't like very much, anymore. White meats, it depends on how they are processed and cooked.
I haven't eaten red meat in a couple years, fish and poultry only. I went vegetarian for several years in my teen's/early 20's, and since then, I've not been able to digest red meat very easily. I love chicken though, I doubt I'd be able to give it up, and certainly not on the high protein/low carb/low fat muscle building diet I'm on now. Fish and chicken are staples now. As for craving bacon after I start T next month, I'll just have to resist because it'll screw up my goal to get ripped. XD
not really... I don't like bacon much except a couple times a year [really holidays at my parents] for breakfast with maple syrup on which occasion I find it delightful.
I've went from not liking peperoni pizza to being alright with it to actually enjoying it within the past year or so... I think that that is probably unrelated to my intake of testosterone.
I haven't noticed it with bacon so much but really noticed it with chicken wings. I eat them all the time now :/
I don't think I could possibly like bacon more than I already do. But if it changes, I'll let you know. Probably with a clipping from a newspaper saying "Man arrested for climbing into meat locker and attempting to fornicate with giant slab of bacon." There will likely be a quote too. Something along the lines of trying to produce super human/bacon hybrid capable of preparing and delivering it's self in sandwich form.
That is to say.
I like bacon, yes.
I don't like bacon, and I haven't started liking it any more in the four months I've been on T. I do, however, find myself craving protein more often. I don't eat enough protein, though, which is kind of a problem - I'm cheap and lazy when it comes to making food, so I tend to eat a lot of carbs and not much else.
Quote from: Noah the brave-ish on February 24, 2011, 09:52:37 PM
or how many women used to like it before transition but now don't so much.
My house mate cooked beef burgers the other night, a tiny little bit of me was salivating...the rest of me was being sick.
Quote from: SnailPace on February 24, 2011, 11:51:43 PM
I'm vegan so I hope I don't get a higher craving for meat. It's finally gone away! I'll have to resist.
As another vegan, I found that my craving was for salt. And I think that is what the increased craving for meat is for omnivore FTMs on T is from. I recently switched to a more raw vegan diet and occasionally get a huge craving for salted sunflower seeds (I usually munch on those when at the laundromat)
A craving for salt can be a lack of potassium in your diet or a thyroid problem. Might want to check on that. I have had both.
Quote from: Noah the brave-ish on February 24, 2011, 09:52:37 PM
i never liked it that much before. ever, it was just o.k. i guess but now it's the best tasting food! and I'm kinda sure it's a guy thing to like it (or just any fried food that's terrible for you). i just wondered out of curiosity how many other guys noticed that same thing. or how many women used to like it before transition but now don't so much.
What you crave is the salt and the fat and the the smoky taste.
You can find many sources of vegetable fat and you can buy liquid smoke. Putting them together with salt and products like tempeh, soya and tofu, you can satisfy your craving for salt, fat and the meaty texture without the need to kill innocent pigs and pollute local water supplies.
You don't crave bacon. You crave the taste.
Quote from: Linus on February 25, 2011, 06:57:35 PM
As another vegan, I found that my craving was for salt. And I think that is what the increased craving for meat is for omnivore FTMs on T is from. I recently switched to a more raw vegan diet and occasionally get a huge craving for salted sunflower seeds (I usually munch on those when at the laundromat)
Hands up, another vegan!
Quote from: Jake84 on February 25, 2011, 09:53:30 AM
I haven't eaten red meat in a couple years, fish and poultry only. I went vegetarian for several years in my teen's/early 20's, and since then, I've not been able to digest red meat very easily. I love chicken though, I doubt I'd be able to give it up, and certainly not on the high protein/low carb/low fat muscle building diet I'm on now. Fish and chicken are staples now. As for craving bacon after I start T next month, I'll just have to resist because it'll screw up my goal to get ripped. XD
Chicken and fish are HIGH fat foods and you can get your protein from so many other places. You can be veg and still get fit and ripped.
I'm with Rowan on this. I love (real) bacon. If I were to love it any more it could very easily reach indecent levels...highly indecent levels.
Gotta say, one thing i have definately noticed is the wanting of more protein/meat foods.
I've always adored bacon, but that might be because my family eats mostly meat and we used to have bacon for breakfast all the time. Idk, I'm just not happy unless I have bacon, corned beef, and chicken in my diet.
I don't like bacon and never have but I do want meat a lot more then I did before.
Can't say I remember what bacon tastes like.
I was a vegetarian for about 6 years.
I started eating white meat because with all the training I do I can't keep a steady weight. I just kept getting skinnier and skinnier. So I compromised and now just eat chicken and fish (still very rarely).
I do not crave red meat.
So I really hope I do not start needing red meat after starting T.
Quote from: niamh on February 26, 2011, 03:55:09 AM
What you crave is the salt and the fat and the the smoky taste.
You can find many sources of vegetable fat and you can buy liquid smoke. Putting them together with salt and products like tempeh, soya and tofu, you can satisfy your craving for salt, fat and the meaty texture without the need to kill innocent pigs and pollute local water supplies.
You don't crave bacon. You crave the taste.
I wish I could agree with this, but I don't. I've been (pesce)vegetarian for about 10 years and none of the faux-bacon products I've tried have come close to the real thing. I still salivate every time someone near to me eats bacon, and no amount of smell or taste similarities can satisfy me. It's something about bacon itself. Other cravings are often a sign of vitamin deficiencies, it's possible bacon or other meats have something. I don't even feel better when I fill myself with tofu or even salmon.
And in general, my meat cravings have gotten worse since starting testosterone. Fish used to be enough to satisfy those cravings, now it's not. It's annoying.
Quote from: niamh on February 26, 2011, 03:55:09 AM
without the need to kill innocent pigs
Kill the guilty ones, you won't feel so bad.
Quote from: JohnR on February 26, 2011, 04:15:43 PM
Kill the guilty ones, you won't feel so bad.
This is making me think of the killer pigs in Hannibal.
Cows, pigs and chickens fear me. I love bacon. And the smell of it cooking make my mouth water.
Beggin' Strips Commercial ITS BACON! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CErapf79rqM#)
Quote from: niamh on February 26, 2011, 03:55:09 AM
Chicken and fish are HIGH fat foods and you can get your protein from so many other places. You can be veg and still get fit and ripped.
I could, but have little desire to. It'd be more expensive and inconvenient living in a house with other meat eaters, we buy things we all can eat here. I don't like vegetables or cooking enough to completely give up meat at this point in my life, so for now, I'm sticking with the poultry and fish. I've heard a million good arguments for giving up meat and can't disagree with them, but right now I don't have the time or patience to deal with any big changes, the ones I'm dealing with currently are enough.
whaaah so many replies! so people respond more to food than people whining about their life huh? who'd have thought :laugh:
aahh nostalgia, i miss that old beggin strips commercial, when they changed the voice actor playing the dog it was just eh, not as entertaining.
Quote from: niamh on February 26, 2011, 03:55:09 AM
What you crave is the salt and the fat and the the smoky taste.
You can find many sources of vegetable fat and you can buy liquid smoke. Putting them together with salt and products like tempeh, soya and tofu, you can satisfy your craving for salt, fat and the meaty texture without the need to kill innocent pigs and pollute local water supplies.
You don't crave bacon. You crave the taste.
Chicken and fish are HIGH fat foods and you can get your protein from so many other places. You can be veg and still get fit and ripped.
um ok i guess your trying to help me here but i hate when vegans think they're above people who eat meat. seriously. it's kind of annoying, maybe you'll say you don't think that way but the line "the killing of innocent pigs." suggest otherwise, I, personally am not running out and gutting pigs so I'm not going to feel guilty about it. it's in stores i was raised eating it, that and chicken too, yum. i think animals should be raised the way it used to be done not the way it is now apparently according to people who made movies like food inc, and....that other one Ellen Degeneres was talking about. where animals are fed chemicals, steroids and such and can never move at all they're whole life cuz they're packed with way too many others in small cages. i agree that that part is inhumane but....I still think bacon, chicken, sausage is delicious.
i almost forgot to mention, those words i highlighted in red are probably so darned expensive. I'm not going to spend most of my check on organic food i probably wouldn't be able to find around here anyway, for the chance that
maybe I'd like it and guaranteed no one else in the house would eat it. i need the money for T and top surgery saving.
I'm glad there's other people who have the same thing going on, or they just liked it in the first place. heh heh and I'm not even on T yet...i wonder what I'll want then?
Quote from: Noah the brave-ish on February 27, 2011, 12:25:35 AMum ok i guess your trying to help me here but i hate when vegans think they're above people who eat meat. seriously. it's kind of annoying, maybe you'll say you don't think that way but the line "the killing of innocent pigs." suggest otherwise, I, personally am not running out and gutting pigs so I'm not going to feel guilty about it. it's in stores i was raised eating it, that and chicken too, yum. i think animals should be raised the way it used to be done not the way it is now apparently according to people who made movies like food inc, and....that other one Ellen Degeneres was talking about. where animals are fed chemicals, steroids and such and can never move at all they're whole life cuz they're packed with way too many others in small cages. i agree that that part is inhumane but....I still think bacon, chicken, sausage is delicious.
i almost forgot to mention, those words i highlighted in red are probably so darned expensive. I'm not going to spend most of my check on organic food i probably wouldn't be able to find around here anyway, for the chance that maybe I'd like it and guaranteed no one else in the house would eat it. i need the money for T and top surgery saving.
Hey, sorry if it seems like us vegans are trying to derail your bacon thread, lol, but I do feel like I've got to stand up for us a little bit here.
First off, while I can't speak for anyone else, I definitely do not think I am better than anyone for any reason. I am in a relationship with an omnivore and I love him unconditionally. However, I can understand why some people might feel the need to 'enlighten' people. A lot of people I have met don't understand how someone can turn their blind eye to animal cruelty for the sake of convenience... and really, being vegan doesn't have to be inconvenient or expensive. I mean, rice&beans is very easy to make and cheap to buy.
In the end, we can't force anybody to stop eating what they are eating or buying what they are buying. But there are honestly some people who
don't know the facts who
would be vegan if they gave it a thought. If you already know what you are supporting and choose to continue for whatever reason, there is nothing we can do about that.
Quote from: Noah the brave-ish on February 27, 2011, 12:25:35 AM
whaaah so many replies! so people respond more to food than people whining about their life huh?
Does your whining involve ice cream? I like ice cream.
Quote from: SnailPace on February 27, 2011, 01:22:27 AM
Hey, sorry if it seems like us vegans are trying to derail your bacon thread, lol, but I do feel like I've got to stand up for us a little bit here.
First off, while I can't speak for anyone else, I definitely do not think I am better than anyone for any reason. I am in a relationship with an omnivore and I love him unconditionally. However, I can understand why some people might feel the need to 'enlighten' people. A lot of people I have met don't understand how someone can turn their blind eye to animal cruelty for the sake of convenience... and really, being vegan doesn't have to be inconvenient or expensive. I mean, rice&beans is very easy to make and cheap to buy.
In the end, we can't force anybody to stop eating what they are eating or buying what they are buying. But there are honestly some people who don't know the facts who would be vegan if they gave it a thought. If you already know what you are supporting and choose to continue for whatever reason, there is nothing we can do about that.
I can't eat beans or soy (or a fairly long list of other foods, most of which are irrelevant here). There's no vegan diet that I'm aware of that contains adequate protein for me. Even vegetarian is problematic because my intake of eggs and dairy is very limited in type and quantity. I do tend to be fairly vegetarian on the "I can't afford food" diet, but that's at the expense of my health.
I understand that I'm the exception, but it irritates me to no end that vegans tend to talk as if their preferred diet is suitable, easy, and affordable for everyone. It's not. I'm perfectly happy to get on board with "eat less meat" and "support sustainable organic agriculture" and "boycott inhumane farming methods" and all that, but I wish people would stop there, rather than going further and insisting that vegan is
the healthy and economical choice for everyone including total strangers whose health issues you know nothing about.
I've been craving BLT's. Unusal for me in the winter. I don't in the winter because the store-bought tomatoes aren't up to snuff, I wait for my first garden tomatoes to ripen. I buy the bacon when I go camping, along with the eggs, another thing I like but don't usually buy. Bacon!
Joelene
Quote from: kyril on February 27, 2011, 02:09:57 AM
I understand that I'm the exception, but it irritates me to no end that vegans tend to talk as if their preferred diet is suitable, easy, and affordable for everyone. It's not. I'm perfectly happy to get on board with "eat less meat" and "support sustainable organic agriculture" and "boycott inhumane farming methods" and all that, but I wish people would stop there, rather than going further and insisting that vegan is the healthy and economical choice for everyone including total strangers whose health issues you know nothing about.
I agree. I've been experimenting with diets for years. If you do some research, you'll discover that there are quite a few people who seriously screwed up their health by adhering to vegan diets, even when evidence of their deterioration was obvious to the friends and doctors which surrounded them. Some people don't do well on vegan diets without serious supplementation (which nobody really wants to do). Not everyone can live on rice and beans.
I also hate to point out the obvious to any vegans on these boards, but meat is a perfectly natural food source. Plenty of animals eat meat. For that matter, "animal cruelty" is also perfectly natural. Cats play with their food before killing it. Many male bears will actually kill the cubs of female bears for the sole purpose that the female bear will mate with them to produce a new litter. Not only is that cruel, but it is selfish as well. In nature there is only survival of the fittest. Egalitarianism is an unnatural idea that was conjured into existence by humans.
Animal cruelty is a complex issue. It is driven by a lack of understanding of how animals experience their environment, and profit motive. The former problem is solved by educating people who don't treat animals with respect. The latter problem is solved by boycotting companies who use cruel and unusual treatment of animals to cut expenses or increase profits.
I'll eat meat if I get bored of my usual foods, but I much prefer vegetarian options when possible. I've rounded up animals for slaughter, and it is not a fun thing to do. Slaughterhouses are not pretty places.
I used to hate bacon, I was even a vegetarian for a bit. Now I love bacon, Im craving some right now.
I was a meat eater before but now I crave it and it tastes so much better. I'm always up for bacon though :) Especially if it's cooked to perfection not too crispy not too soft :) Man now I want bacon!
Quote from: Noah the brave-ish on February 27, 2011, 12:25:35 AM
i almost forgot to mention, those words i highlighted in red are probably so darned expensive. I'm not going to spend most of my check on organic food i probably wouldn't be able to find around here anyway, for the chance that maybe I'd like it and guaranteed no one else in the house would eat it. i need the money for T and top surgery saving.
Tofu and soy are actually really inexpensive for the most part. In Thai restaurants and other places that give you the option of choosing between various "meats" in the dish - chicken, beef, shrimp, tofu, or vegan - Tofu and meat-free are the least expensive options, even less so than chicken. Next time you're in a restaurant, check the menu - vegetarian dishes are least expensive. Meat is the most expensive ingredient, which is why poor people in developing countries can rarely afford it. It's a luxury item.
I think the vegan diet is suitable for very few people. Vegetarian diets, which include milk and eggs, are more reasonable, particularly when it comes to restaurant eating. You have to make some distinction there. And there are certain people who do need meat in their diets. I don't blame them at all.
On the other hand, what irks
me to no end is people who agree that meat animals are treated inhumanely, and are bothered by it, but do nothing about it because it would inconvenience them. Which is really all it is, in most cases. If you can get all of your vital nutrients by even minimising meat consumption, and you agree with the arguments of vegetarians that meat is inhumane, wasteful, environmentally unfriendly, and often unhealthy... saying you're not going to change because you think meat is tasty is not a good excuse.
If you disagree with vegetarian arguments, though, you're not compromising your morals. So I have no problem with those people staying omnivorous, even if I disagree with their opinion. Does that make sense?
I have been a vegetarian my whole life. I used to hate it when I was little. I found it so inconvenient. I wished my mom would let me eat meat. It got easier as I got older. In my teens I started to get into animal rights, tried to be vegan. This lasted about 8 months. Then when I was on vacation there wasn't many vegan options. I didn't want to have salad and peanut butter and jelly for the whole trip. I gave up on it. I realized that I wasn't willing to sacrifice my happiness for an animals. Never went back to veganism. For as long as I live with my family I will be a vegetarian. I eat a lot of the fake burgers and what not. When I move out I want try the real stuff. If I like it better then I will continue to choose that. I don't see how buying meat is much worse than buying milk and eggs. Both the meat and dairy industry are inhumane, wasteful, and environmentally unfriendly. Realistically being vegetarian or vegan isn't going to change much.
Reading some of these comments I am literally facepalming. It is not just my opinion that a vegan diet is a more healthy, more humane and more environmentally friendly diet. It is fact. And there is absolutely no, zilch, nada nutritional requirement for humans to eat meat. We are herbivores, like most animals on this planet. Eating meat is only natural for carnivores, but even then lions and wolves don't run factory farms. Our eating of meat is killing us: obesity, heart disease, diabetes. These are lifestyle diseases. Eat meat if you want but know that it will clog your arteries and may lead to cancer and stroke.
Just because cruetly existed in the past is no reason for it to exist today or tomorrow. Once it was considered acceptable to beat children, rape women, keep slaves, discriminate against Jews and Blacks. Society has evolved and we now have outlawed such practices. I look forward to the day when our society does not look at non-human animals as commodities to be abused, used-up and discarded. Life is precious. It should not be treated the way it is in our society today.
I am vegan because I don't eat my friends. Animals are my friends. I am healthier being vegan. It is cheaper too. I am doing my bit to save the earth and the sea. One day I hope that state subsidies to the grain feed, dairy and meat industries will end and instead the government will fund vegetables and fruit and grain for human consumption so we can end starvation and enjoy a happier more healthy life. Meat is only cheap because the taxpayer pays the subsidies and the clean-up. Then we also pay through our health care system. If people went vegan the demand for hospital care and medicine would collapse, saving hundreds of billions of dollars every year. It is only an idiotic system that grows grain to feed cows to feed humans to make them sick. All for a product we don't need and can not digest properly. Cut out the cows and we eliminate starvation, animal cruelty and lifestyle diseases.
I am not looking to convert anyone. I am in no one's face. I am simply presenting the facts and speaking my truth, what I feel and believe. Normally I try to avoid confrontation, especially online. I think it is pointless but on this issue I think it is so so important. I wish only to plant a seed of awakening that may someday grow into a flower of consciousness.
You guys are lovely people and as people I think you are great. I am not disrespecting you as individuals, but rather I do not agree with the food decisions you are making. Likewise I am sure you do not agree with my ideology but would have no problem with me as a person. I used to be exactly the same as you. I thought vegans were crazy, out of this world. Never in a million years would I have thought that I would one day be vegan. Everyone is free to believe what they wish but I will not miss an opportunity to spread the truth and allow another to reach their revelation. I became vegan because someone opened my eyes. I simply do not want to deny another from opening theirs.
I speak what I do so animals can be saved and the earth and the sea can be better off. I say what I say because I believe it is important for my children and my childrens' children and so on. Take it or leave it. I am only speaking my truth. I encourage you to speak yours and may we all be more elightened because of it. There is room for everyone's truth and story. Being vegan is part of mine. I like to share it with anyone who is willing to listen.
Peace.
Niamh.
Only for those who are interested I would like to point you to a woman called Colleen Patrick-Goudreau. Search for her on the web and you'll find her podcast and website. She is highly intelligent and can talk about this issues better than I. Plus she can give you recipes for great food. I don't want to link in case it breaks forum policy.
We are herbivores
Not true. Humans have evolved as omnivores. The teeth are the proof. We do not have a full set of cow/horse teeth, at least in the front, we have canine teeth evolved for ripping meat. We are also not rummanents, a common feature of herbivores.
Animals are my friends.
Yeah, but they won't lend you money or pick up up at the airport. The parks around here have warnings at the trail-heads about mountain lions, and many tend to strongly emphasis that the mountain lions prefer to take children, so they are not all bad. If animals are your pals, try swimming with the sharks.
mountain lion warning (http://www.flickr.com/photos/40343758@N00/567706544/#)
being vegan. It is cheaper too.
Meat is only cheap because the taxpayer pays the subsidies and the clean-up.
Which is it? Only one choice between two choice can be considered the 'cheaper' of the two.
If people went vegan the demand for hospital care and medicine would collapse
Highly dubious. The majority of hospital care is for stuff related to aging and accidents. No matter what your diet you are going to get old, and get some old person way of dying attached to you and are going to need care. And going vegan is not going to stop traffic accidents.
I'm glad tekla pointed out the teeth thing, because that was the biggest flaw in that vegan argument. :/
Anywho, I doubt this thread was made to be a debate anyway, so let people eat what they eat and just answer the question.
I'm so old I remember when ordering lunch was a matter of taste and budget and not a political statement.
Vegan and vegetarian is a choice. As Tekla pointed out human are omnivores. We can eat just about anything.
Our eyes are int the front of the head and we have binocular vision. Like predictors.
Herbivores have their eyes on the head of the head to watch for predictors.
If you wish to get a strict vegan diet, please go forth and live your life. All the more bacon and steak from me. >:-)
And I do have friends who live a vegan lifestyle.
Quote from: niamh on February 28, 2011, 09:28:25 AM
Reading some of these comments I am literally facepalming. It is not just my opinion that a vegan diet is a more healthy, more humane and more environmentally friendly diet. It is fact. And there is absolutely no, zilch, nada nutritional requirement for humans to eat meat. We are herbivores, like most animals on this planet. Eating meat is only natural for carnivores, but even then lions and wolves don't run factory farms. Our eating of meat is killing us: obesity, heart disease, diabetes. These are lifestyle diseases. Eat meat if you want but know that it will clog your arteries and may lead to cancer and stroke.
I don't normally talk very much about this, but I have Crohn's Disease. There is a very long list of things that I cannot eat in any significant quantity, and among them are beans, soy, and most high-fiber foods. The vegetable matter that I can eat without triggering a relapse is confined almost exclusively to highly refined, processed foods most of which have minimal nutritional value and almost no protein, calcium, or B-vitamins.
Asking me to eat vegan is asking me to commit myself to a slow, miserable process of wasting away from malnutrition. If I lived in a less wealthy society, that would probably be my fate. And perhaps it should be. But you'll have to forgive me if I tend to place a certain value on my ability to live a reasonably healthy, active life. And that, for me, requires eating some animal foods.
And I would really appreciate it if you would consider that some of us have health issues and dietary constraints that you might not be familiar with before you start passing out dietary recommendations to strangers. Thank you.
It would also help if you got your science straight. The fact is that humans, like most of our closer relatives, are omnivores, and meat has made up a substantial portion of our diets for hundreds of thousands of years, including the pre-agricultural era when we were at our healthiest (which was also the last time we were this tall...but without the obesity, tooth decay, and heart problems that come from agriculture/mass grain consumption).
Quote from: niamh on February 28, 2011, 09:28:25 AM
Reading some of these comments I am literally facepalming. It is not just my opinion that a vegan diet is a more healthy, more humane and more environmentally friendly diet. It is fact. And there is absolutely no, zilch, nada nutritional requirement for humans to eat meat. We are herbivores, like most animals on this planet. Eating meat is only natural for carnivores, but even then lions and wolves don't run factory farms. Our eating of meat is killing us: obesity, heart disease, diabetes. These are lifestyle diseases. Eat meat if you want but know that it will clog your arteries and may lead to cancer and stroke.
Just because cruetly existed in the past is no reason for it to exist today or tomorrow. Once it was considered acceptable to beat children, rape women, keep slaves, discriminate against Jews and Blacks. Society has evolved and we now have outlawed such practices. I look forward to the day when our society does not look at non-human animals as commodities to be abused, used-up and discarded. Life is precious. It should not be treated the way it is in our society today.
I am vegan because I don't eat my friends. Animals are my friends. I am healthier being vegan. It is cheaper too. I am doing my bit to save the earth and the sea. One day I hope that state subsidies to the grain feed, dairy and meat industries will end and instead the government will fund vegetables and fruit and grain for human consumption so we can end starvation and enjoy a happier more healthy life. Meat is only cheap because the taxpayer pays the subsidies and the clean-up. Then we also pay through our health care system. If people went vegan the demand for hospital care and medicine would collapse, saving hundreds of billions of dollars every year. It is only an idiotic system that grows grain to feed cows to feed humans to make them sick. All for a product we don't need and can not digest properly. Cut out the cows and we eliminate starvation, animal cruelty and lifestyle diseases.
I am not looking to convert anyone. I am in no one's face. I am simply presenting the facts and speaking my truth, what I feel and believe. Normally I try to avoid confrontation, especially online. I think it is pointless but on this issue I think it is so so important. I wish only to plant a seed of awakening that may someday grow into a flower of consciousness.
You guys are lovely people and as people I think you are great. I am not disrespecting you as individuals, but rather I do not agree with the food decisions you are making. Likewise I am sure you do not agree with my ideology but would have no problem with me as a person. I used to be exactly the same as you. I thought vegans were crazy, out of this world. Never in a million years would I have thought that I would one day be vegan. Everyone is free to believe what they wish but I will not miss an opportunity to spread the truth and allow another to reach their revelation. I became vegan because someone opened my eyes. I simply do not want to deny another from opening theirs.
I speak what I do so animals can be saved and the earth and the sea can be better off. I say what I say because I believe it is important for my children and my childrens' children and so on. Take it or leave it. I am only speaking my truth. I encourage you to speak yours and may we all be more elightened because of it. There is room for everyone's truth and story. Being vegan is part of mine. I like to share it with anyone who is willing to listen.
Peace.
Niamh.
Only for those who are interested I would like to point you to a woman called Colleen Patrick-Goudreau. Search for her on the web and you'll find her podcast and website. She is highly intelligent and can talk about this issues better than I. Plus she can give you recipes for great food. I don't want to link in case it breaks forum policy.
The average vegan is healthier than the average meat eater. If veganism was the more common one, I bet there would be a ton of unhealthy vegans. A little meat in your diet isn't going to compromise your health any more than a little junk food will. Like with all other foods moderation is key. When you compare human anatomy to the typical carnivore, herbivore, and omnivore, we do match the herbivore design. We don't have big claws for taking down animals or sharp teeth for mauling. Our digestive tract resembles that of a herbivores and what not, but we also have the ability to use tools and make choices. Our bodies are capable of being nourished by meat, dairy, and eggs. We don't need sharp claws to bring down an animal. We don't need sharp teeth to rip through a carcass. We have guns, forks, and knives. We also have the ability to prepare and cook our food. Eating meat is natural for more than just carnivores. It is also natural for omnivores. Even some primates that are also considered herbivores have been observed eating omnivorously when they took the opportunity to do so. I bet if lions and wolves had the intelligence to run factory farms, they would. Eating meat isn't killing us. Over eating and poor diets are killing us. This is simply a matter of cause and correlation. Both my grandparents have been vegetarians for about 30 years. They are both obese and have obesity related illnesses. My uncle who is dying in a hospice from cancer also ate very little meat. I could certainly loose a few pounds and I've been a vegetarian my whole life.
In a perfect world no being would suffer, but that will never happen. I'm not saying that you shouldn't try to limit the suffering of others, or that you shouldn't help. The reality is that some utopia will never exist. For society to be where it is today slavery was necessary. The truth is, society evolves and thrives on the suffering of others.
In order for factory farms to be completely reformed, society will need an impossible change of heart. I'm not trying to persuade you from trying to do your part, but your efforts are just a drop in a very large bucket. Yes most crops grown are feed to the billions of animals in the meat and dairy industry. Yes that land could be used to grow crops to feed the starving, but that isn't going to happen. There is no finical profit in that. Healthcare will certainly not collapse, another cause and correlation issue. Even if it did save billions, it doesn't really seem like much when you're dealing with trillions.
Planting seeds of awakening is trying to convert others. You have presented many half truths and emotional appeals. If being vegan makes you happy, go for it. Just don't expect others to take suit and follow. Most people don't appreciate attempts of enlightenment, especially when it comes to putting an animal's health and happiness before theirs.
Quick input on the vegan health issue:
When I went vegan, my weight went up, and my health (cholesterol, blood sugar, thyroid, etc) got worse. My dad had similar issues when he did the same thing years ago. We're both a lot better health-wise now that we eat meat. I think that the best possible combination of foods varies widely between people, so it's hard to say that veganism is healthy in general.
Quote from: kyril on February 28, 2011, 01:31:26 PM
I don't normally talk very much about this, but I have Crohn's Disease. There is a very long list of things that I cannot eat in any significant quantity, and among them are beans, soy, and most high-fiber foods. The vegetable matter that I can eat without triggering a relapse is confined almost exclusively to highly refined, processed foods most of which have minimal nutritional value and almost no protein, calcium, or B-vitamins.
Correct me if I am wrong (I am genuinely interested in learning about health and nutrition) but as far as I have learned Crohn's disease is an inflammatory disease of the intestines, one of the causes of which, is believed to be excessive concumption of animal and milk protein. It is also believed that vegetable protein has a negative correlation to Crohn's.
I also found out that isotretinoin has been linked to Crohn's which is interesting because one of the most popular brands of oral isotretinoin is Roaccutane, which I took for a year, after which I got sick with digestive and intestinal problems prompting me to start giving up animal products.
If you can't eat animal products and you can't eat soy, beans or highfiber foods, what do you eat?
Quote from: Lee on February 28, 2011, 10:49:26 PM
Quick input on the vegan health issue:
When I went vegan, my weight went up, and my health (cholesterol, blood sugar, thyroid, etc) got worse. My dad had similar issues when he did the same thing years ago.
Out of interest, what did your vegan diet consist of and how long were you vegan? Plants have a sterol level of roughly 50mg/kg (compared to roughly 5g/kg for meat) so if you cut out the meat, dairy and eggs I have no idea how that went
up.
Quote from: niamh on March 01, 2011, 05:59:17 AM
Correct me if I am wrong (I am genuinely interested in learning about health and nutrition) but as far as I have learned Crohn's disease is an inflammatory disease of the intestines, one of the causes of which, is believed to be excessive concumption of animal and milk protein. It is also believed that vegetable protein has a negative correlation to Crohn's.
I also found out that isotretinoin has been linked to Crohn's which is interesting because one of the most popular brands of oral isotretinoin is Roaccutane, which I took for a year, after which I got sick with digestive and intestinal problems prompting me to start giving up animal products.
If you can't eat animal products and you can't eat soy, beans or highfiber foods, what do you eat?9
Onset of Crohn's has a small positive correlation with consumption of animal protein, a small negative correlation with consumption of vegetable protein, and no correlation with fish protein. However, the studies demonstrating this come with caveats: the geographic distribution of populations who carry the genetic mutation responsible for susceptibility to the disease corresponds quite neatly to the geographic distribution of cultures who eat a lot of animal protein and don't eat vegetable protein. It's very difficult to control for the cultural/geographic confounding variables and to my knowledge no study has done it conclusively. Crohn's specialists tend to be very clear that this is a genetic disease that is not caused by diet, although diet and some medications
may play a part in triggering it for some people.
That said, even if diet has a role, that's only the onset - once you've got it, you've got it for life, and it doesn't really matter how you got it. Most people with it find they do best on a relatively low-fat, low-fiber diet consisting mostly of refined carbohydrates, liquids (juices, broths, milk) and some moderate amount of soy, meat, fish, dairy, and/or eggs. Many of us are sensitive to soy, lactose, or gluten (soy in my case, although lactose also gets me if I eat a lot of it) so that adds further restrictions.
I've been in very nearly symptom-free remission for years now. The digestive tract doesn't actually tend to heal from damage inflicted during periods of active disease, but it does start functioning better/being more resilient, especially with medication. I can mostly eat a little bit of almost anything I want right now. But I have to be extremely careful, because foods - especially high-fiber or high-residue foods like whole grains, fibrous vegetables and fruits, beans, basically anything sold in a health food store - can and do trigger relapses. So the bulk of my diet is still white rice, white bread, and white meat. Which of course comes with its own set of health issues, but those are less immediate concerns.
Thanks for that, kyril. It was interesting to read. I wish you good luck with your health.
Thanks :)
well now! damn all i wanted to know was if other guys craved bacon like i do :laugh:. really. then it turned into 3 pages of arguing. i didn't want a vegan vs. meat eater debate but that's what it turned into only half way through the first page *sigh* it all was an interesting read though :) and to the person who started the whole vegan thing, you sounded like everything would be sunshine and puppies if everyone went vegan and stopped eating all animal meat. well most of the time people get into car accidents because they're not paying attention to the road but talking or texting on their cellphone instead. has nothing to do with what they ate. people would still have heart attacks and strokes because that's most of the time genetic even though it's made worse with too much cholesterol and junk food. i remember when my dad was in the hospital for that most on the list of foods he couldn't have anymore was junk food. but still, people would still need to use hospitals because bad things would still happen, falling off ladders resulting in broken limbs and head trauma, also nothing to do with what they ate, you get my point. i bet if everyone on earth switched there would be A LOT of doctors visits just because hardly anyone is used to non dairy non meat eating every day. their bodies would shut down if they didn't switch back. unless i guess if they did it really slow and gradual and if they saw it as right for them.
Quote from: tekla on February 28, 2011, 10:15:11 AM
I'm so old I remember when ordering lunch was a matter of taste and budget and not a political statement.
haha exactly
Quote from: Janet Lynn on February 28, 2011, 10:43:58 AM
Vegan and vegetarian is a choice. As Tekla pointed out human are omnivores. We can eat just about anything.
If you wish to get a strict vegan diet, please go forth and live your life. All the more bacon and steak from me. >:-)
that too! :laugh: I'm assuming you meant 'for' funny though.
Bacon is more than the Ferrari of meat, it's the crack cocaine of all foods. It's our most awesome reward for being at the top of the food chain. If it turns out that bacon is not good for the pig, too bad. I don't eat it by the piece, I grab it by the handful. And it goes with beer, which is proof that god loves us.
Quote from: tekla on March 03, 2011, 07:49:24 PM
Bacon is more than the Ferrari of meat, it's the crack cocaine of all foods. It's our most awesome reward for being at the top of the food chain. If it turns out that bacon is not good for the pig, too bad. I don't eat it by the piece, I grab it by the handful. And it goes with beer, which is proof that god loves us.
Amen
Bacon threads always make people crave bacon, they must be started by pig farmers! And always save the grease, it's kitchen gold! And start your own topic, you long winded vegans!
Quote from: Tracey on March 03, 2011, 10:06:32 PM
Bacon threads always make people crave bacon, they must be started by pig farmers!
Yeah. I was going to eat spaghetti tonight, but after reading this thread I think I'll have meat.
Do both, why do you think the Italians invented carbonara sauce?
Quote from: tekla on March 03, 2011, 07:49:24 PM
Bacon is more than the Ferrari of meat, it's the crack cocaine of all foods.
If bacon is the cocaine of all foods, then I just ate the meth of all foods: pizza
I like bacon, it's really tasty. When I grow up and move out, however, I think I'll go vegetarian simply because I can't handle raw meat, it grosses me out. I guess I'll live on my weird middle-eastern dishes, noodles and curry! I've never craved it, not like I crave reindeer meat or cloudberry jam.
Spaghetti Carbonara is awesomely tasty, does anyone know of a vegetarian equivalent to it?
That's scarry VK, because it's true.
And no, there is no veggie equivalent for bacon. Have another salad instead.
Quote from: PixieBoy on March 04, 2011, 09:01:18 AM
I like bacon, it's really tasty. When I grow up and move out, however, I think I'll go vegetarian simply because I can't handle raw meat, it grosses me out. I guess I'll live on my weird middle-eastern dishes, noodles and curry! I've never craved it, not like I crave reindeer meat or cloudberry jam.
Spaghetti Carbonara is awesomely tasty, does anyone know of a vegetarian equivalent to it?
http://www.morningstarfarms.com/products_veggie-bacon-strips.aspx (http://www.morningstarfarms.com/products_veggie-bacon-strips.aspx)
http://vegetarian.about.com/b/2009/03/06/vegetarian-bacon-recipes.htm (http://vegetarian.about.com/b/2009/03/06/vegetarian-bacon-recipes.htm)
Quote from: Tracey on March 03, 2011, 10:06:32 PM
And start your own topic, you long winded vegans!
It's sad you can't deal with discussion and so demand that 'vegans', as if they were an 'other' need to start special threads.
Quote from: Noah the brave-ish on March 03, 2011, 07:42:28 PM
well now! damn all i wanted to know was if other guys craved bacon like i do :laugh:. really. then it turned into 3 pages of arguing. i didn't want a vegan vs. meat eater debate but that's what it turned into only half way through the first page *sigh* it all was an interesting read though :)
When you post in a public forum the thread is always bound to lead to places you never expected. Discussion is healthy. The topic was food, specifically meat, so....veganism is very much related. Everyone is entitled to contribute.
Quote from: Noah the brave-ish on March 03, 2011, 07:42:28 PM
it all was an interesting read though :) and to the person who started the whole vegan thing, you sounded like everything would be sunshine and puppies if everyone went vegan and stopped eating all animal meat.
That was SnailPace who first brought up veganism. But I presume you are speaking to me. I would like it if you are going to discuss something with me that you call me by my name, which is Niamh.
I am a mature young person who isn't a naive utopic believer. I never said veganism would make the world perfect. You said that. I just provided my two cents.
Basic social skills pretty much say if everyone is talking about their favorite rock band, that's not an opening for you to talk about how much better Tuvan throat singing is compared to Rolling Stones.
Quote from: tekla on March 04, 2011, 12:08:08 PM
Basic social skills pretty much say if everyone is talking about their favorite rock band, that's not an opening for you to talk about how much better Tuvan throat singing is compared to Rolling Stones.
Actually, if you go back and read my first comment I talked about vegan bacon so actually it was on topic.
Quote from: tekla on March 04, 2011, 12:08:08 PM
Basic social skills pretty much say if everyone is talking about their favorite rock band, that's not an opening for you to talk about how much better Tuvan throat singing is compared to Rolling Stones.
Sorry, but I gotta agree with Tekla. This topic was to talk about bacon cravings, not to feel guilty and have biased information shoved in our faces. If that way of eating works with your lifestyle so be it. Why preach to people? A couple of sentances isn't going to make us have an epiphany and stop eating meat.
Neither MorningStar or Lightlife Smart Bacon is that great of a replacement. The smart bacon just tasted like salted strips of nothing. I like MorningStars products, it has a mild bacon taste. They really need to come out with a better alterntive.
Quote from: Sharky on March 04, 2011, 01:18:30 PM
Neither MorningStar or Lightlife Smart Bacon is that great of a replacement. The smart bacon just tasted like salted strips of nothing. I like MorningStars products, it has a mild bacon taste. They really need to come out with a better alterntive.
I have had one that was really decent but I don't know what the brand was or if it was home-made. If I do find I'll let you know..
Quote from: Linus on March 04, 2011, 01:21:22 PM
I have had one that was really decent but I don't know what the brand was or if it was home-made. If I do find I'll let you know..
Awesome thanks!
Bacon salt was a disappointment. It's much more salt than bacon. I don't normally salt foods. The only thing I regularly salt is triscuits.
I have had Celic Sea salt and Pink salt and they are both very good, though expensive. But it's the same old story, refined foods are always cheaper than the real thing. Salty soups are great.
I love meat. I always did but now it's like...I just need to eat meat at least once a day, because if not my body just don't get enough energy and I get dizzy.
And bacon... crispy almost burned bacon....oh ->-bleeped-<- I'm hungry right now.
do i even say anything at this point? this got really stupid, what i started because i thought it was funny and amusing is just irritating as hell now. people are arguing in a thread about bacon! I'm sick of typing bacon. i don't even think about food hardly only when I'm hungry pretty much and smell food. so niamh, i didn't want to point you out and embarrass you but you apparently want to be addressed personally, um that makes me immature? or were you thinking i thought you were immature? i honestly don't know. what is this really for? you just have to be right? you have to have the last word? you keep coming back to defend something completely pointless and stupid to argue about something this unimportant. and not just me, there's others who have pointed this out. i forgot snailpace said something about it first probably because it was this
Quote from: SnailPace on February 24, 2011, 11:51:43 PM
I'm vegan so I hope I don't get a higher craving for meat. It's finally gone away! I'll have to resist.
and yours was even though you said earlier that you were in no one's face, how you worded it, yes, it is shoved in the faces of everyone who reads what you say, that's obviously going to annoy people and worse your twisting my words, no you didn't use the the word perfect but neither did i. you said all health problems would be gone and no one would need hospitals or doctors anymore which is in no way a fact. i get you were trying to suggest something that's going well for you but your being pretentious about it and anyone who disagrees with you gets more of this talk. except that last comment you said which...was directed at just anyone?
Quote from: tekla on March 04, 2011, 12:08:08 PM
Basic social skills pretty much say if everyone is talking about their favorite rock band, that's not an opening for you to talk about how much better Tuvan throat singing is compared to Rolling Stones.
Quote from: JayUnit on March 04, 2011, 12:27:32 PM
Sorry, but I gotta agree with Tekla. This topic was to talk about bacon cravings, not to feel guilty and have biased information shoved in our faces. If that way of eating works with your lifestyle so be it. Why preach to people? A couple of sentances isn't going to make us have an epiphany and stop eating meat.
THANK YOU. i don't want to appear insulting or anything, but when it's gone on this far and it's lost all amusement and people are just irritated i won't be so polite anymore. goes to google to find out what tuvan throat singing is...*5 seconds later* oh my god it's a real thing!
Quote from: Noah the brave-ish on March 06, 2011, 12:49:43 AM
goes to google to find out what tuvan throat singing is...*5 seconds later* oh my god it's a real thing!
:D I just did the same thing and had the same reaction. Man every time I see this thread in "show new replies" it makes me want bacon! *goes to hunt down bacon*
Quote from: Noah the brave-ish on March 06, 2011, 12:49:43 AMi don't want to appear insulting or anything, but when it's gone on this far and it's lost all amusement and people are just irritated i won't be so polite anymore.
That will just get this topic locked. If you have a problem with vegan fanaticism, you should report the people promoting it to the moderators.
Every time I hear the word "bacon", I want bacon. Every time I hear the word "vegan", I want bacon.
Quote from: Noah the brave-ish on March 06, 2011, 12:49:43 AM
i don't want to appear insulting or anything, but when it's gone on this far and it's lost all amusement and people are just irritated i won't be so polite anymore.
I would strongly advise against this...my mod stick is quite heavy and covered in spikes, I'd hate to have to use it. As for the vegan thing it's an interesting discussion, but i think it has run its course within this thread.
Would it make anyone jealous if I said my dad is making delicious, crispy bacon right at this moment? Mmm, the smell...haha
(Noah, I'm sorry your thread got hijacked...)
Quote from: Espenoah on March 06, 2011, 09:22:14 AM
Would it make anyone jealous if I said my dad is making delicious, crispy bacon right at this moment? Mmm, the smell...haha
(Noah, I'm sorry your thread got hijacked...)
Yess, I am jealous. I am now going to make a grilled cheese with bacon.
OK, I have been following this thing for a while now...and never had a chance to have any BACON. But, yesterday I was having breakfast at a hotel, and there was BACON on the buffet. Yummy, crispy BACON!! I had a good laugh for myself as I went for a second helping! (Once in a while won't hurt you, right?!)
Remember the old dog treats commercial? BACON BACON BACON!!! :P
Mmmm....maybe a BLT for lunch??
Yummy, crispy BACON!!
See, you thought we were kidding when we compared it to crack.
as I went for a second helping!
Yeah, and that's just the start. Wait till you've encountered the sublime bliss of a bacon and cheese omelette, or how a little bacon can transform a salad into something divine. And then, THEN, there is the Bacon Cheeseburger, a monument to bacon, and the Bacon Pizza. Bacon.
I'm stayed away from this thread because ... you've guys got your own little world going on in here. A world made out of bacon.
I'm going to say that I like bacon all right but it's never been my favourite. I like bacon lettuce and tomato sandwiches provided the mayonnaise and bread is of a good quality. Occasionally I'll have bacon with my eggs in the morning but really I prefer sausage patties. If bacon disappeared from the world tomorrow I just wouldn't care. I know right. Heresy.
Right now I'm more concerned with why my pre-packaged tuna wrap tastes more like egg salad ...
I'm posting from a dumbphone and can't add a link, but there is a car on Coolpl8z.com with a license plate "MM BACON"
Great ;D I keep seeing this thread in the recent posts list and thinking what the heck is that ???
Now I've spent ten minutes of my life reading it all and I still don't know! Mind you I know a bit more about a whole heap of other stuff... :laugh:
For the record I love bacon, but in moderation like everything else. What I am struggling with is the idea of an association between being male and eating meat in general and bacon in particular. I can't see that there is any...
You're right Jenny, I myself have a hard time understanding the connection. But...I do not know of a single female in my life who enjoys meat as much as I do. Both my grandmothers eat very small amounts, and if they do they only eat pork, chicken, maybe hamburger if it's small amounts. My best friend hates burgers, she would only eat chicken when we went out together.
And girls in my classes...they often say my meatball sub or huge double burger smells good but they wouldn't be able to eat it themselves.
Yet I'm FAAB...no T...but I love meat like any other man. I've actually had guys say to me, on in particular: "I've never seen a girl eat a burger like you."
The only woman in my life who can rival me with meat is my mother, and she probably has high T.
So is it cultural? Meat is definitely marketed as "man food"
Quote from: Caleb. on March 08, 2011, 02:00:40 PM
So is it cultural? Meat is definitely marketed as "man food"
Probably because meat is high in protein therefore promotes muscle growth ("manly"). Also, things like salads are seen as "girly" foods probably because they are low calorie and therefore promote that slim "feminine" figure.
Be jealous. Men, be especially jealous of my extremely low and masculine pre-T voice. :P :(
Bacon Pron (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi6rnsKxf0s#ws)
Quote from: Caleb. on March 08, 2011, 02:00:40 PM
You're right Jenny, I myself have a hard time understanding the connection. But...I do not know of a single female in my life who enjoys meat as much as I do. Both my grandmothers eat very small amounts, and if they do they only eat pork, chicken, maybe hamburger if it's small amounts. My best friend hates burgers, she would only eat chicken when we went out together.
And girls in my classes...they often say my meatball sub or huge double burger smells good but they wouldn't be able to eat it themselves.
Yet I'm FAAB...no T...but I love meat like any other man. I've actually had guys say to me, on in particular: "I've never seen a girl eat a burger like you."
The only woman in my life who can rival me with meat is my mother, and she probably has high T.
So is it cultural? Meat is definitely marketed as "man food"
They obviously never met me when I've been on a carnivore Jag! :laugh: In fairness I can exist without meat quite happily - sometimes for quite extended periods of time - but when the urge takes me I bet I can out consume any of you! I have been known to eat a pound of virtually raw steak!
So according to your theory deep inside me there must be a man trying to get out somewhere I guess... :laugh: Oh well - I'm cool with that. I always was a rule breaker after all ;D
Food cravings are definitely hormonal and are often thought to be related to what your body "needs." Since men need more protein than women, they like meat more than women. I would not be surprised if guys here like bacon more after T.
But then why are women thought to enjoy chocolate more than men?
mmmmm, chocolate covered bacon!
I assumed my cravings for chocolate wouldn't be as bad while on T but it's pretty much the same.
QuoteSo according to your theory deep inside me there must be a man trying to get out somewhere I guess...
No no, I wasn't implying that at all. Otherwise my mother would have a man hidden inside her, haha. I just notice men generally prefer more meats.
@caleb - did you eat a whole package at once?! that was a lot on that pan dude :P. plus i didn't know someone could have them cook all the way not layed out flat but maybe it was fine anyway. i was just sitting here like whaaaah :o this topic got so many replies and even a video. it's like what did i start? lol.
as far as I've seen whenever the topic of meat comes up, like in a commercial, it's always a few guys in it and the narrator sounds like he looks like the Brawny guy he sounds so freakin suave and tough....if you can be both. there are a few exceptions, like women here saying tey like it too but only one commercial, i think it was meats from a certain grocery store where I actually saw a woman in it and even then a guy was on an outdoor grill cooking it. not saying women shouldn't eat meat, guys eat salads and chocolate too but in tv commercials and whatnot it's always marketed to guys. at least in the U.S. stuff like "be a man, eat a steak the size of your head." haha do that in real life and you'll be like "damn, my heart!"
i also didn't know bacon was sexy :P
Nah, I shared it with the family when they came home. However, I have eaten a whole package in the past, lol. I've never had a problem with not laying them out, it's how my grandma always makes it so I just followed her lead. Still gets crispy enough.
@ Caleb That bacon looks delicious! :icon_dribble:
bacon is good, I dont crave it more then before though