how long did it take for u to just b passable without trying on hrt?
To be honest I'm not sure when i could have done it. I think I may have been able to do it sooner, but when I went full time about 4-5 months ago, I seemed to pass without much effort.
Now especially with 2 sessions of laser I can pass without makeup, but I like makeup so I wear it anyway.
What do you mean by w/o trying?
It took 4 months of work with my voice to be mostly passable.
It took a year worth of studying local girls and their mannerisms / dress to get down style.
I figure it will take about eight more months to make myself comfortable with my hair length.
I will require laser hair removal soon, especially since I just started HRT.
Soooooo... I don't think I could have been able to pass without trying. Let's just call it a year and run with it.
EDIT:
OH- I see the OP question now :)
I passed without HRT. You just have to really work hard at it. That doesn't mean I'm comfortable with my body and presentation, it just means I have a little less work to do.
I once passed at a halloween party, my housemate fell in love with me, it was a long time ago. Then I started working in the forret industy and now it's practicaly impossible.
I think, problem about passing is most just paranoia
Look at lot of "natural females" good example is Dana Drábová Ph.D. chairperson of WENRA (http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soubor:Dana_drabova_sujb.jpg)(Western European Nuclear Regulators Association) - she spoke at tv about Fukushima powerplant
for me.................. :-) no way near yet
I always have to try O-o I look androgynous it's just my body is unfortunately and I can't afford to make it any better.
Admittedly it dosen't take much effort from simply brushing my hair and tieing it back can be enough most days. But I'm only just about readable as a female Ive been on HRT 14months.
My voice took about 4 months tho before it was read as female.
i dont pass without trying but i have stopped trying to pass... Im clockable
A large part is belief in oneself, I've had an overwhelming positive reaction when feeling good, and a negative when I felt shakey. People picked up and reacted to how I was feeling about myself.
So confidence in oneself, not perfection as there's no perfect person, not a one, what gets in the way of a good plan is the idea of a perfect one.
I think this is all clearly YMMV territory. Too many variables to really come up with an answer that means anything. I'm not even sure what "without trying" means. Just the act of putting on females clothes is trying in my book.
Hi RoseBlossom
To be honest, I never try.
I have played a role for many, many years to look manly, but I failed more or less.
When I go en femme I just wanted to be me, just me, no roles to play anymore.
Actually, I seem to pass, more than I was playing the manly role.
I was not a hot girl or whatever, just an ordinairy girl.
Maybe I was lucky, I don't know but I was so very tired to keep on pretending I was a man.
I don't know or my behavioural has changed by the years, for me I am still the same one
hugs
annette
Ive always had female mannerisms..ect..voice and just the female "act" even when in boy mode..and i come off as a homosexual male..but if people only knew lol.
It took a while for me to "pass without trying" but still am clockable. I think it's that I don't care if I pass that makes me pass most of the time? I'm a transgendered woman. If someone can see I am a transgendered woman and not a female woman, I don't really care cause that's what I am. Just don't call me sir!
I'm still slightly confused, I think. I get whistled at on the street, I get called ma'am and she, I am generally never bothered in the stores, people never say anything. I feel like people can tell when they see my face. I know I've been "clocked" by the facial expressions people have sometimes...
Is this passing?
Being able to use my real hair, getting rid of the beard shadow, and cooking on hormones will help.
Oh it's one of those days :/
Maybe this is just me, if I am being treated as a woman, I'm passing enough for me. I'm not shy and also not ashamed of being TG. Some people feel "passing" means everyone on the planet would believe 100% they were born female. I know I would never pull that off so not going to set myself up to fail! -You- have to decide where the bar for passing is.
I think the problem is that I'm still not comfortable in my own skin. I've just got to take my time.
Quote from: Medusa on March 22, 2011, 05:05:11 AM
I think, problem about passing is most just paranoia
Look at lot of "natural females" good example is Dana Drábová Ph.D. chairperson of WENRA (http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soubor:Dana_drabova_sujb.jpg)(Western European Nuclear Regulators Association) - she spoke at tv about Fukushima powerplant
Oh wow! Nailed it! So much of "passing" is not worrying so much about it. I haven't started HRT, and my voice... well it has a long way to go, but I go out all the time. As long as I've been going out, I doubt I've had two comments about it. Once you're somewhat comfortable no one will have any reason to think twice about it.
yes.. It took me at least a year of living 24/7 to become comfortable with -being- a woman. It doesn't happen overnight. The interesting thing is the more comfortable you are, the more comfortable the people around you become too. Which makes it hard because you get nervous about the people around you and for whatever reason, they pick up on it and notice, which makes you more nervous etc etc.
I look like a metal guy even biker sometimes. I got mammed two weeks ago at Costco. I have female manerizms, carry a backpack like a purse, had sunglasses on my head so cannot see balding, I get mammed at least twice a month and am totaly not trying. If you are, feel, and eminatate female there minds will see it and not see the real matter in front of them. Ever look at a chain link fence and cannot tell how far away it is? He saw female manerizms in his perifural vision ( the way I carry myself through manerizms and confidence) when I was no less than 30" from him he said looking right at me ,"have a great day mam" I said thankyou in my bad female voice and he did not correct himself.
I was not trying to be female, or passable, I only be myself and where boy clothes.
So find your true self and be that first. You will see even looking like a guy people have a hard time seeing it without a good long look.
The natives could not see Columbus sailing to the caribian islands for three days because they did not know ships like that even egsisted. They only saw the water ripples. ( so I have herd) kind of a medaphysical thing.
Self confidence appears to be more passable than physical changes , sometimes.
Hope this helps, Angie, aloha
I wrestled with the "passing" thing during the time I classified myself as a CD and for the last part of that, I found that I did not pass as a CD!! Turned out I was "getting read" as a female and therefor of no interest to other CD's or the Admirers in the group. .
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After the final admission to myself and my therapist that I was transsexual, I gave myself permission to act and do as my other GG family membeers did, and at that point found out I was "doing" female. Since then I have had only one time that I got "read". and that was at a bookstore where I was purchasing Jennifer Finney Boylan's autobiography about being transsexual "She's Not There". The "open read" by the sales clerk got him a bawling out by his boss though!! (evil grin) It had been a store in West Hollywood where "outing" someone is a mortal sin.
Quote from: RoseBlossom on March 21, 2011, 07:40:44 PM
how long did it take for u to just b passable without trying on hrt?
I have brief moments of catching myself and thinking yeah pass I love it, I'll actually get a photo san beard shadow lol.
Passing does not involve chinese dresses, full makeup. Long hair yes completely acceptable. No-one is going to be full femme especially not make up all the time. That is high maintence ->-bleeped-<- haha love the thought of doing it as I do :D
Every day passing is what should be aimed for, fail at that it's pointless. Yes most of us love the full works but that is for going out not every day.
I'm not sure if this answer is useful or not. I don't care. I'm a woman, like every other woman in the street, we all look different. We all pass. Interestingly I was talking to my laser woman; the clinic was established for women. Mmm does that mean woman have unwanted hair, Ah of course they do, hence waxing, laser, electrolysis. Do women have concerns of how they look? Of course not, hence eyebrow salons, manicure and pedicure places. Do woman have issues with looks? of course not, women never buy make up or get themselves make overs. Do woman like nice clothes? Of course not. That's why the shops are empty, also why the guys section in shops are always bigger than the women's. Stop worrying about passing. No other woman does, or maybe we all do!!
Cindy
Don't know, don't care much any more either. Most times I'll be mistaken for a member of "Dykes on Bikes" anyway. ;)
Quote from: CindyJames on March 28, 2011, 04:44:04 AM
I'm not sure if this answer is useful or not. I don't care. I'm a woman, like every other woman in the street, we all look different. We all pass. Interestingly I was talking to my laser woman; the clinic was established for women. Mmm does that mean woman have unwanted hair, Ah of course they do, hence waxing, laser, electrolysis. Do women have concerns of how they look? Of course not, hence eyebrow salons, manicure and pedicure places. Do woman have issues with looks? of course not, women never buy make up or get themselves make overs. Do woman like nice clothes? Of course not. That's why the shops are empty, also why the guys section in shops are always bigger than the women's. Stop worrying about passing. No other woman does, or maybe we all do!!
Cindy
You're absolutely right we all do pass every single one of us, me I'm just reacting to a lack of confidence in applying makeup, in my looks, in my muscular frame. My reaction is to take away all the things I love, deny them because I feel I should pass with minimal effort, what kind of dip->-bleeped-<- am I haha. I want glamorous, I want it every single day.
Shoe shops, clothes shops, hair salon everything are total and utter heaven, I don't think I'll be able to stop once I start :D
I don't think there's a right or wrong answer, in fact there is no right or wrong answer we must go with what makes us happy individually and respect others completely, the second is paramount :)
If you are worrying about whether you pass, you're thinking about things the wrong way.
I don't pass, ...no really I don't, because I don't need to. I am female, a young woman and I don't need to prove myself to anyone. "passing" puts me in mind of completing some kind of woman test succesfully...like you get marks for it or something. It also has connotations of trying to pass yourself off as something you're not...if you're female ypu don't need to try and pass yourself off as female because you already are.
Rant over
just been to the bank today, tried to close a adcount that i dont use anymore
it was still in the old name since i didnt even remember i had that adcount
so i dug up some old clothes to dress up as a boy in case they asked question
stuffed my hair into a hat, held my chin up high to show off that adams apple.
as i walked in still got greeted by "what can we do for you madam?"
rather amuseing to fail to "pass" (pretend?) to be a boy anymore
they wouldn't belive its my account, was asked for ID...that was a bit of a problum
had to go home again to get the deed poll and the doctor's letter, such a hassle
looking like too much of a tomboy now, even though its only 6 months of HRT; but before that people wasnt sure if i was a boy or girl to start with. so it works both ways really.
i guess i should have brought one of them stick on moustaches ;D
is it okay to ask a FTM how to "pass" as a boy? i was never very good it
I'm also called madam some times even if I don't present myself as a girl and wear boys clothes, I have no HRT yet