Kia Ora all,
::) Just out of interest have any of you ever done drag? That is been a drag artist of some kind...
The reason why I ask there's a former Kiwi politician Georgina Beyer, she was the world first transsexual mayor after which she became a Labour politician-also a world first I think, anyway before all this she and been a prostitute and a drag queen...So I was just wondering if any members had been into drag before transitioning?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgina_Beyer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgina_Beyer)
Prior to transitioning and even after, even though I have gay friends, I've never really had much to do with the gay community as such...
Metta Zenda :)
Sorry I have no idea about drag, but I think Georgina Beyer is amazing. I was really disappointed to hear that she was on the dole a couple of years ago when she had finished with her parliamentary career.
HELL NO
Drag queens creep me out
I've worked at them, produced them, lit them, directed them, stage managed them (talk about herding cats), I've done just about everything at drag shows except walk on stage and do the show, but that's so not me to perform in that way. To me its one of the oldest, most artistic, and most highly revered theatrical traditions, done right its fun, funny and fierce.
And you know what? People really like drag queens. They tend (or like everyone else in show biz, know how to fake it so well you can't tell they are faking it) to be outgoing, witty, charming, hysterically funny and glamorous. What's not to like?
Nope, but I've done that other thing you say Georgina Beyer took part in ;-)
My hairstylist (ex-model and ex-drag queen) tells me that the more readily you're able to pass, the less well off you do at drag shows. For one: the other drag queens get jealous and hate you for it, and for two: people do come to the shows to see guys in dresses putting it all out there.
Drag kings, on the other hand do very very well if they can pass perfectly! I've never seen a drag king lose to a drag queen in an open format contest.
I took an acting class in college. Our final project was to perform Vampire Lesbians of Sodom... (It was a performance for our teacher, of course -- not a public show.)
I was cast as Tracy, a bubbly airhead.
Normally, I am not amused by drag queens, but Tracy felt like a character I was born to play. I loved being in costume.
I think for someone who was an mtf, at least for myself, doing drag would be pretty degrading and unpleasant. It would be nice if there were a more rigid and publicly obvious separation between the two. :-\
Would it be weird if I wanted to be a drag king? The theatricality of it all is rather appealing.
the more readily you're able to pass, the less well off you do at drag shows
It only really works if they know your a guy. Except the Faux Queens.
Would it be weird if I wanted to be a drag king? The theatricality of it all is rather appealing.
We have Faux Queens in SF, genetic girls who do drag at ->-bleeped-<-Shack. They rock. One of them went on to be half of the Scissor Sisters. So why not? We have two local bands, Lez Zeppelin and AC/Dshe, who are all girl bands doing the big time male 'rock out with your cock out' rock shows. They have a gas. So why not go out and play Elvis, your are a girl, so why not be a drag king.
Kia Ora,
::) I guess if one thinks outside the square, those of us who have already transitioned have all done drag-been drag artists :icon_chuckel:...and pre-transitioners are all drag artists... Think about it...
::) So in a sense I've answered my own question ;) :)
Metta Zenda :)
Quote from: Maddie Secutura on April 29, 2011, 01:24:51 AM
Would it be weird if I wanted to be a drag king? The theatricality of it all is rather appealing.
As weird as making a movie and calling it Victor Victoria ;-)
Quote from: tekla on April 29, 2011, 01:32:00 AM
the more readily you're able to pass, the less well off you do at drag shows
It only really works if they know your a guy. Except the Faux Queens.
Would it be weird if I wanted to be a drag king? The theatricality of it all is rather appealing.
We have Faux Queens in SF, genetic girls who do drag at ->-bleeped-<-Shack. They rock. One of them went on to be half of the Scissor Sisters. So why not? We have two local bands, Lez Zeppelin and AC/Dshe, who are all girl bands doing the big time male 'rock out with your cock out' rock shows. They have a gas. So why not go out and play Elvis, your are a girl, so why not be a drag king.
I want to go for the Rockabilly look with a pompador and lambchops. I also never thought of being a Faux Queen. That might be fun too. I'd be a really glammed up Strawberry Shortcake.
I did drag in more than one way. Before I started questioning my gender I was a drag king. After I was out as male I did drag as a queen, and once a sort of gender f--k performance.
Kia Ora,
This is an old thread I've just brought back from the dead " spooky" :D
So have you ever thought about it....Or have you ever done it ? Or as one of the earlier posters said :
Quote from: JessicaR on April 28, 2011, 09:25:01 PM
HELL NO
Drag queens creep me out
It's a sad fact, that at times trans-women 'in transition and occasionally post transition' [due to their lack of dress sense and make-up skills] are often mistaken for drag queens...
However when it comes to drag, I personally see it this way...Drag queens/kings are drag queens/kings and if it makes them happy doing drag, I'm happy for them....Whatever floats their boat...
Metta Zenda :)
I did a Drag King show ones, back in my freshman year of college. It was wicked fun even though I didn't win! And all the proceeds went to the Susan G. Komen Foundation.
I LOVE Drag Queens! The over-the-top Glamour, the talent, the life of the party, their wit, charm and humor..What's not to love??
I wanted to do drag before I got honest with myself about wanting to transition. The unrealistically huge hair, they super stylized makeup, the (usually) over dramatic outfits, and just the huge stage personality seemed like such a good time to me! I've always been keen on the glamour girls, though.
Anyway, I did my makeup, dressed up, threw on heels, and went to my friend's Halloween party in drag. Everyone kept asking me if I was supposed to be Katy Perry (I guess in certain pictures I can see it) but I never really had a character in mind, I just wanted to make my own look. Not long after I realized I just wanted to transition, not do drag. (My icon is from that party, hah!)
Still enjoy drag, though. The people that think drag queens are transsexual or transsexuals are drag queens are sadly misinformed though. Drag isn't the detriment to the transsexual community, improper education or a lack of understanding is the detriment.
I can't fault anyone for the confusion. I spent most of high school and some college in theatre, but avoided (yet quietly yearned) to do drag, but I think like many, I was very aware it wasn't an act for me, and would have felt (especially back then, late 70s, pre-AIDS, when drag was getting slammed by at least some in the gay community) --I would have felt like I was being asked to tell yet another lie, and a very, very convoluted one. I did do make up and costuming, and spent as much time as possible with other girls doing the same. Because I'd been pushed to do some building trades work, I was pushed into more set construction than I ever wanted to do (I also had drafting skills, so I did some set design as well) but at least the head of the set department in college was also a woman, so it wasn't too dysphoric, plus I got paid for it, which certainly beat waking up at 4:30 am to refill drink dispensers in the cafeteria.
It's been my understanding, from contact with girls transitioning in earlier years, that more than a few of us do or did wind up in drag... quelle surprise. And especially before the interwebz, drag clubs were practically the only social contact, aside from a few support groups, where one would often fear having to face no small amount of unintentional homophobia.
I recalled after posting, that I also had friends way into Rocky Horror Picture Show, back when the midnight showings were a pretty big thing in many places. One of my friends, who in retrospect was probably coming onto me more than a few times, without me realizing it, frequently announced his intention to attend graduation dressed as Columbia. Not sure if that would have been drag, and we lost touch, so I also don't really know if he was really she... I wonder this about more than a few people I've lost touch with over the years.
Quote from: JessicaR on April 28, 2011, 09:25:01 PM
HELL NO
Drag queens creep me out
Rude.. Anyway, I am a drag queen and I have been performing since I was 17 years old sneaking into bars. I am turning 21 this month and I'm still going strong. Here in Hawaii the most beautiful transsexuals are pageant winning drag queens so i dont know about "scary" or "creeping me out". I started drag after transitioning and I love it. Drag queens can be the most genuine loving people or the most shady deceptive bitches haha. Drag queens are the unknown foundation of the gay social scene. We are the "mothers" of gay men and we help to keep the gay bars in business and events alive and fun.
The money is good if you can brand yourself and perform with clean skill. I pass above and beyond during the day yet I continue to do drag as my contribution to the LGBIT community. It really feels like home and a place where trans women belong and are adored. If you have any questions feel free to msg me :)
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Not i
Sure, everyone should do that at least one time in life.
I loved it early in life having to work as a male 5 days a week then finally 2 days to be myself. Love to dress nice/normal as a woman. Not strange looking just as a normal sexy woman & go to drag bars. On stage some but not much. I just liked to be myself & meet friends/men. New Orleans was fun sometimes.
Those were fun early days.
Quote from: yasuko14 on May 03, 2013, 09:57:20 PM
Rude.. Anyway, I am a drag queen and I have been performing since I was 17 years old sneaking into bars. I am turning 21 this month and I'm still going strong. Here in Hawaii the most beautiful transsexuals are pageant winning drag queens so i dont know about "scary" or "creeping me out". I started drag after transitioning and I love it. Drag queens can be the most genuine loving people or the most shady deceptive bitches haha. Drag queens are the unknown foundation of the gay social scene. We are the "mothers" of gay men and we help to keep the gay bars in business and events alive and fun.
The money is good if you can brand yourself and perform with clean skill. I pass above and beyond during the day yet I continue to do drag as my contribution to the LGBIT community. It really feels like home and a place where trans women belong and are adored. If you have any questions feel free to msg me :)
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Good for you, thanks for posting, you look great!
Never done drag myself. It's never appealed to me.
I haven't but would love to try it just for a night,
it could be funny XD
Not exactly a drag queen, but I'd love to be a panto dame - such as one of the Ugly Sisters in Cinderella. I think it'd be a laugh.
If I was mistaken for a drag queen I wouldn't be bothered. I know who I am, and that's all that matters.
Honestly I love cross dressing and wish I could do it more.
You can get paid? How much? Sounds interesting. I could finance surgery with drag shows! Well that is if I don't get into the grad school I want to. But, not sound conceited, I will pass if I dress up like that and people won't think I am a man. People barely believe it now.
I did it.. Actually I did a Kylie Minogue show.. Dressed in a very similar outfit to one of hers. Blonde wig, stick on boobs. Oh, and heels - how I ever did that act in heels without ever falling off them still confounds me.
Quote from: Joanna Dark on May 04, 2013, 10:47:46 PM
You can get paid? How much? Sounds interesting. I could finance surgery with drag shows! Well that is if I don't get into the grad school I want to.
I have heard and known a couplegirls who did just that! worked it a couple years and the proceeds went to the op, but as for the original topic. no it never once was remotely apealing to me, I liked going to the shows but that was bout it.. and I did have 1 bad experience, which I wont go into.
Not prior to transitioning. We have a Drag party here in town every year. Once I pass 100% as male I think i'd enjoy dawning a dress and some makeup. A girl who is now actually guy pretending to be a girl again. Sounds like a fun way to cause people headaches lol. Essentially I still really like how eye liner looks on me (I think most guys actually look lovely with eye liner, but then again i'm a huge fan of David Bowie) so I guess I would see it as an excuse to wear some makeup. Interesting question though.
crazy I know, but I did dragking once. :)
Also its a big misconception that no transsexuals do DQ.
When I lived in hawaii(many many years ago), ALOT of the DQ's were actually transsexuals. Here in colorado, when I go down to Denver, there is a number of transsexuals that are DQ's.
I -love- dragqueens(and kings). I love drag shows. I think they are awesome.
Then in general, I love the GLBT scene. If Im gonna goto a club, id much rather goto a gay club than a straight club. If I goto a club its to dance (or watch the drag show). The only other clubs I might hit up are punk/industrial/goth. Mainstream culture just isnt my thing.
Quote from: ParadigmCrime on May 13, 2013, 07:50:00 AM
Also its a big misconception that no transsexuals do DQ.
Sure it is ;) According to Wiki, Candis Cayne was doing drag before she became aware of herself :)
Quote from: JessicaR on April 28, 2011, 09:25:01 PM
HELL NO
Drag queens creep me out
Was that really necessary...
ANYway,
I would crossplay at anime conventions before I started HRT, if that counts as 'drag queen'. I didn't pass well, but I did end up signing up for a date auction. Somebody bought me for ten dollars after an awkwardly long period of nobody bidding :P
never on stage.... is what i almost wrote, but then i remembered i actually did in high school. not the flashy type, just playing both male and female roles in shows that weren't only for the teacher. and i still sometimes dress in drag, one way or the other. it's a bit odd to define when it's drag or not when my gender tends to shift when i don't notice, but i do find myself in drag once in a while, some times even on purpose.
Quote from: Bastian on May 05, 2013, 10:40:44 AM
Once I pass 100% as male I think i'd enjoy dawning a dress and some makeup. A girl who is now actually guy pretending to be a girl again. Sounds like a fun way to cause people headaches lol.
i did that in an irc chat once. everybody knew me as male apart for one guy whom i'd come out to as ftm/a. and then when some stranger joined the chat, we pretended i was a girl just for fun. made my friend feel really weird.
Long long ago I did one drag show up for a school thing. For me it was sooooooo scary, and I played it too cisfeminine, which simply made it a bad deal all over. What's funny is that now that I am post op, I found myself to where I thought I could be comfortable in a drag character at last.
Quote from: Taka on May 15, 2013, 08:19:51 AM
never on stage.... is what i almost wrote, but then i remembered i actually did in high school. not the flashy type, just playing both male and female roles in shows that weren't only for the teacher. and i still sometimes dress in drag, one way or the other. it's a bit odd to define when it's drag or not when my gender tends to shift when i don't notice, but i do find myself in drag once in a while, some times even on purpose.
i did that in an irc chat once. everybody knew me as male apart for one guy whom i'd come out to as ftm/a. and then when some stranger joined the chat, we pretended i was a girl just for fun. made my friend feel really weird.
That's great. Like I mentioned a bit I really still love how I look with eyeliner and eye shadow, in fact I think I like how I look with it on MORE now then I did before I began transitioning. But my heart swoons when I see a guy with eye makeup. Eddie Izzard, David Bowie, hell even Norman Reedus looks even hotter to me with eye make-up;
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(did you hear that? That was my best attempt at a 'fanboy' squeak)
I actually feel more manly wearing some eye makeup. Of course it's not the norm, so I never do it outside of conventions or the privacy of my home (maybe one day at a gay bar too, we shall see!) but I do like it.
I feel like I put us a bit off topic, I'll go put on a dress and swing this conversation back to drag.
guys with eye liner/shadow are hot :)
Been to a few shows, know some friends who have done it, one good friend who did it before she transitioned and now she is Post-op
I never even considered it