Kia Ora,
::) Some trans-people believe transitioning is an ongoing thing and ones transition is never complete... :icon_arrow:
However I considered myself 'fully' transitioned when I finally felt truly comfortable in my 'new' skin both in body and mind... :icon_joy:
How about you, when will you[or do you] consider yourselves 'fully' transitioned ?
Metta Zenda :)
Simple when you look 100% passable like a bio-female(and have a vagina and a pair of boobs of course).
Quote from: Sad Girl on May 03, 2011, 03:39:07 AM
Simple when you look 100% passable like a bio-female(and have a vagina and a pair of boobs of course).
Kia Ora 'Shy' Girl,
::) Physical appearance is important, but what if one has the looks :icon_chick: :icon_cute: but is still struggling/coming to grips :eusa_wall: with the mental changes that one has also to go through???
I've met trans-people who physically blend in, but are still finding their way mentally[finding it hard to rid themselves of all the old male/female 'mental' baggage-that they had accumulated] ...One could say transitioning is both equally a physical and mental transformation...I know it was for me...
Metta Zenda :)
my transition was physically over when I woke up after my SRS. At that point I was complete, my body finally matched my brain, and to paraphrase Suzan Cooke I knew I was cured because I had no further desire to change my sex. Emotionally it was over when I lost my post-op virginity. Not because of the act of having sex, but because that marked the point when I knew in my heart my old life was really over forever and my new one had truly begun.
As for any leftover baggage, that's been long since dealt with and gone, and good riddance.
The very question (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,97815.msg718301.html#msg718301) I asked. I really consider my transition done, except for the final surgery. I am no longer moving towards a goal, I have arrived there.
Yes there are some things to be done, but they really have no bearing on transitioning. As Beth said I am now working toward new horizons.
Kia Ora,
::) I would like to apologise, I hadn't checked out the RLE section where you had already started your thread Janet...So for those who are reading this perhaps it would be best to click on the link that Janet provided, there's no point in having two identical threads so close together...I'll re-post my comments on that one...
Metta Zenda :)
I don't think that it is possible to say "by the time this this and this have happened transition is over" Different people feel they are fully transitioned at different places in their transition.
For me, transition will be over after I've had my surgeries, and been on T for long enough that I always pass without question. Once anyone who meets me for the first time has no idea I'm transgendered and sees me simply as "male," I'll be fully transitioned.
i'm not sure if it ever really "ends." everyone's path in life is different. i'm passing about 90% of the time in public just on hormone replacement therapy, and new clothing choices. i could say it's "done" for me, because i feel that was the main thing i wanted to get to, but i still need my name change legal, i've still not had srs, and i've got alot more life left to live as me. i feel like this will always be a part of who i am.
I believe and hope that when I feel comfortble in my own skin I have arrived but good to know that I am not alone with the mental stuff that I have noticed in being around cis-gendered folks and just all others socially or even by myself down to gestures and how I feel about them, weird for me but a process.
We transition through all of the World's of God. We are on a "walk about" through the Spiritual Worlds to the nth degree in the nth dimension on the nth matrix to the ends of times and beyond.
Live appears differently when you are near the end of your "walk about" in this physical world and you are peering into the tombstone stargate into the spiritual world. I will be discovering my femaleness a new as I pass through the tombstone gate into the spiritual worlds beyond. At 64 now is the only time I have. What is my where, at any point in time it can be ......... !
Have a happy journey.
Have a wonderful journey.
For me, its when I have done all that I wanted to do, and I look the way I "want" to look.
like a checklist lol
social transition-- check
legal name change--check
HRT--check (but still happening, this never really ends, but I belive after a few years, its no long a transition, its just upkeep, like any other medication)
chest surgery--
hysto--
legal (papers) gender change--
in my opinion it is different for everyone.
Transition ends when you feel it ends. Or it may never end. It's entirely up to the individual and there is no wrong answer. :)
To me, it's quite simply when you're finally at peace with yourself.
I think it is not predictable and as mentioned, unpredictable = being different from person to person.
If I go back how my trans journey started, with one mighty big "earth quake" (epiphany) of a realization, it may well be there comes a "second" kind of epiphany that just makes you KNOW: "I have arrived." (Es ist vollbracht)
In fact, it is ALL IN THE KNOWING!
There is NO WAY that such a thing ever can be prescriptive. It will happen as it will happen, like that "earth quake", with plenty of pre-tremors, yes, but can you predict WHEN it will happen?
No, not really.
Yet once it happens you simply will KNOW! And that KNOWING will be beyond any outside argument. In the same fashion as you did KNOW being trans, stuck in the wrong body.
There is no "TEST" to prove that realization at the start, and neither is there a "TEST" to say you're done. It is only you that will know.
All else is idle projection, IMHO :-)
Axelle
There are some people out there (usually Cross Dressers, Drag Queens, and Multiple-Identity peoples) that feel happy enough or even totally happy with achieving just certain processes, and ignoring others. Then there are some people (usually Transsexuals, Transgenders, Single-Identity peoples) who tend more to want the full package, to appear to be a truly biological woman both inside and out. And then, the reality is that all that still doesn't apply to everyone and you have people of all classifications who all want different things. It truly is entirely up to the person to decide what their ultimate goal is and it can be anything from getting the "whole package" (FFS, Hormones, SRS, ect ect depending on how much they truly need done) to simply slapping on a wig and a dress no matter how manly or strange they look as a woman. All of the types of transitions are right and wrong depending on the person, and I don't believe that there's one type of goal or transition that can be applied to anyone; I believe this is why all types of transitions should be supported for the people who truly know what their goals at heart are.
My opinion is that transitioning should make you smile. Wether it's FFS, SRS, Clothing, or Hormones, the reality is that when you accomplish your gender goals, they should make you smile. Now there's different factors; a medical doctor may not have applied the right hormoal dosages, a plastic surgeon may have performed malpractice on a feature, the clothing you always dreamed of may just not yet look right on your body, or you may be searching for something that appearance may not bring you. However, as long as you have a realistic, conservative, clear-cut image in your head of what you feel you should look like after your transition, then the transition should bring a smile to your face once its complete - it should even bring a smile to your face just thinking about accomplishing it!
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Likely never. There may be issues from the past from your old self that has to be dealt with for time to time forever.
Quote from: ChrissyRyan on September 15, 2024, 03:42:06 PMLikely never. There may be issues from the past from your old self that has to be dealt with for time to time forever.
Well said, Chrissy!
You are very wise.
It is quite simple - it ends when YOU say it does.. no one else gets that right over your life decisions.. You make the choice when it starts, where it goes and where it ends. Don't let anyone take that power away from you as many will try, even 'good-hearted' folk who think they are doing good or offering the right advice.
Quote from: SoupSarah on September 17, 2024, 10:40:23 PMIt is quite simple - it ends when YOU say it does.. no one else gets that right over your life decisions.. You make the choice when it starts, where it goes and where it ends. Don't let anyone take that power away from you as many will try, even 'good-hearted' folk who think they are doing good or offering the right advice.
Well said, Sarah. 100%
I'd have to say I'm one of those people that is happy enough with thing's just as they are. Since having orchiectomy surgery and starting estrogen I did go thru a period of wanting additional surgical procedures.
I think I was thinking more is better, like a GRS and FFS was what I wanted along with hair removal. After sitting on those desires for 3 years I came to the conclusion that I'm quite happy with my present self.
My breasts are quite generous in size, my body hair has softened and is slow to grow after shaving, my skin has softened, and I do look feminine. What actually surprises me is how I feel inside I've definitely changed, what's that people say, " hang on the rides about to begin".
What my earlier desires remind me of is eating so much food because the dinner's so good and not being able to move afterward because I'm to stuffed. I gave myself time to digest what I had done and seen that I'm perfectly happy with the results. Everybody has to figure out where that happy spot is for themselves. But for now, hang on the rides about to begin.
My electrologist told me this one, so it's a complete steal - I take no credit for it's awesomeness:
Transition is like a cross-country journey: Everyone starts in Maine — some folks will make it all the way to California, some will be perfectly happy settling down in Pittsburgh. Everyone decides how far down the road they want to go before they are "home."
(If you're not in the US - just replace the cities with the coasts of your country or whatever works best for you!)
Ya. We each have our own journey.
Sometimes I wonder where my journey will be going. I suppose many of us do.
Then again, some already have fixed goals, and some have reached them. That is great for them.
Quote from: xxUltraModLadyxx on May 07, 2011, 09:41:20 AMi'm not sure if it ever really "ends." everyone's path in life is different. i'm passing about 90% of the time in public just on hormone replacement therapy, and new clothing choices. i could say it's "done" for me, because i feel that was the main thing i wanted to get to, but i still need my name change legal, i've still not had srs, and i've got alot more life left to live as me. i feel like this will always be a part of who i am.
I'm just replying to myself from 13 years ago but I stand by it. What has changed since then is my name is now legal and I have had an orchiectomy. I still have not had the "sex change surgery" yet.
Transition didn't end for me.
Transitions are different for everyone, for sure.
When you are living as a woman, totally, "no male appearances", then what is left to transition?
Going forward, never planning on turning back, have not you arrived?
Does that also require all of: GCS, legal changes, and not caring if you do not pass or not? Maybe not all. Maybe all.
Transitioning is likely over for you when you think it is over. Maybe that means no further transitioning because you are satisfied with where you are, that is, you have arrived at where you currently want to be and plan to do no more. Just live as the woman you are.
Now, maybe you will be transgender forever. But this is perhaps just philosophical.
Maybe something about your past will come up, you see your deadname, or someone you know calls you by your deadname. All of that may occur.
Chrissy