Have the surgeons perfected Sexual Reassigmnet Surgery so that once complete, you can achieve a sexual orgasims or is that part gone. :( A freind was expressing a little concern to me the other day about this, and so I thought I'd voice it to those who have had it done.
Gina
I have seen it posted that the success rate is 85%.
However, I have to wonder how many women would report less than good results. If you do end up sensate it may be months or several years before the big O happens if it ever does. Many natally born women have problems reaching O.
Now, I don't have sex with men and I have never been in a lesbian relationship. My wife and I are not in a lesbian relationship. I do have orgasms though. I have done it myself and they are wonderful. I don't know what it would be like with another person.
Sheila
Thanks Sheila for your insightful comments and I really enjoyed talking with you. You have definately helped me to someewhat make up my mind about SRS at this time, but it could change in the oncoming years.
Gina
I'm not sexually active now and haven't been for several years. My wife, SO, roommate (not really sure what to call her anymore) does not want to be lesbian, so she will not be intimate with me.
I do dream about being with a man after surgery. As for now, I do know that if I stimulate myself I can reach a dry climax
Sarah
Some days I would be better served keeping my mouth shut.
Today is probably one of them. I'm not in the best of moods and probably shouldn't of responded to any messages.
Oh well, sometimes I can be my own worst enemy.
Sarah
Hi Sarah,
I'm a little confused by your comment if you have not yet had your SRS, how do you rub your "clit?" ???
You can't really expect your wife or SO to suddenly become a lesbian when you all of a sudden change sexes. It's something you are born with. But I'm sure that if you were to caress her sexually , she may be into that.
Gina
:\ If you want to get graphic take it to the sexuality forum (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/board,36.0.html) please.
Point taken, I apoligize.
Sarah
As a Biber girl, Class of '74, I can say that Dr. Biber's technique may not give the most cosmetically pleasing result but is WONDERFULLY functional! Although there is no clitoris, the technique leaves the greatest concentration of sensory receptors right at the opening of the vagina (which is a darned convenient place to have them!) - GGirls should think about having the "G Spot" relocated - it works wonders! In 32 years I can not remember having intercourse without reaching orgasm (but I am sure it must have happened now and then, like when somebody came to the door!) "Flying solo" has a 100% success rate as well. (Did I mention I have been single too long?)
Since I'm seeing Marci in January, this is a huge concern. It seems the technique has advanced enough that a sensate vagina is pretty much assured. Ability to reach orgasm is as much in the head as it is between the legs, so the other 15% may not be entirely surgical in nature. Marci, keeps all the nerves intact, including those to the shaft. I've heard nothing but positive comments about her technique.
Dawn
I found this in the Wikipedia:
QuotePost-operative male to female transwomen (having undergone vaginoplasty) generally experience full orgasm, involving any combination of the clitoris, vagina, and labia.
However, I've also heard that studies done have shown that 1 in 3 genetic women never achieve orgasm. I assume it would be the same for transsexual women.
So, don't be concerned if you do not experience orgasm post-op, it is the same for many non-transsexual women.
But, I also agree with Dawn on this.
QuoteAbility to reach orgasm is as much in the head as it is between the legs,so the other 15% may not be entirely surgical in nature.
Hope this helps.
I have to say this, that it takes me at least 15 min to get the ball rolling. I don't know a man who would wait that long. I imagine maybe another woman would. I guess I will never find out. I'm happy with the way it is now.
Sheila
:D FYI some men can & do wait the whole 15 minutes! :o
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studies done have shown that 1 in 3 genetic women never achieve orgasm. I assume it would be the same for transsexual women.
I just wanted to interject here to comment on post. I would believe that to be a very accurate statement, and also a sad statistic. I believe though (outside of something being medically wrong), that it is completely dependent on who you are with. I am a genetic woman and when I was with my ex-husband, although I reached O sometimes early in our marriage, after any feelings I had for him were gone (he was mentally/verbally abusive), I had just come to terms that I would probably not reach another one again (unless I did the "solo" thing). Well...along came Marco and without getting too personal and graphic, let's just say that part of my world is way beyond anything I would have ever imagined!!!
Pam
Oh yes. I will have to agree with you on that one.
Marco
Quote from: Leigh on September 08, 2005, 08:43:40 PM
I have seen it posted that the success rate is 85%.
However, I have to wonder how many women would report less than good results. If you do end up sensate it may be months or several years before the big O happens if it ever does. Many natally born women have problems reaching O.
Hi Leigh:
85% success rate! that's high in my opinion. I know a few people (about 10) who have had SRS, and only one seems to have the big
O. So if we take that into consideration, that only makes 10% success rate....
Oh what the heck? some of us (pre-op) girls haven't had that
O feeling for ages, and I don't think it's going to get any better with SRS... :(
tinkerbell :icon_chick:
One note on orgasms:
The more frequent your orgasms, the more satisfying.
If you have a lot of uh...practice, you should do fine.
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If you have a lot of uh...practice, you should do fine.
Damn. I'm out of practice. Just no desire to.
Melissa
QuoteOne note on orgasms:
The more frequent your orgasms, the more satisfying.
If you have a lot of uh...practice, you should do fine.
Huh, is that what's going on! ;D
I always thought it was the other way around, like we all had a particular # og
O 's & we used them up like coupons!
~Spike
Quote from: spike on July 17, 2006, 12:50:21 PM
Huh, is that what's going on! ;D
I always thought it was the other way around, like we all had a particular # og O 's & we used them up like coupons!
~Spike
Let's say one misplaced or used up all one's coupons in said book.....
Where would you suppose She (ME ;)) might be able to acquire a new one at? :eusa_think: :eusa_doh:
Damn I need a new coupon book then!
Chynna
couldn't resist the thread!
QuoteI always thought it was the other way around, like we all had a particular # of O 's & we used them up like coupons!
HA HA HA HA HA! like you really believe that! ahhh, that's a riot.
QuoteFYI some men can & do wait the whole 15 minutes!
The oldest trick in the book really does work, think of hockey. I'm really getting to know my stats... but sometimes a guy just can't help it.
Tino
Quote from: tinkerbell on July 17, 2006, 10:00:19 AM
Hi Leigh:
85% success rate! that's high in my opinion. I know a few people (about 10) who have had SRS, and only one seems to have the big O.
How many after surgery would admit that it was a failure sensation wise? Darn few! I can state that from personal conversations with way more than 10 posties the rate is more like75/80 %.
I am and thats whats counts.
Leigh
Oh what the heck? some of us (pre-op) girls haven't had that
O feeling for ages, and I don't think it's going to get any better with SRS... :(
tinkerbell :icon_chick:
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Quote from: Leigh on July 17, 2006, 08:10:11 PM
How many after surgery would admit that it was a failure sensation wise? Darn few! I can state that from personal conversations with way more than 10 posties the rate is more like75/80 %.
I am and thats whats counts.
Leigh
Exactly...not too many people would admit that the sugery was a failure sensation wise, and this is exactly why some post-op MTF fabricate stories about the intense
O's, they have. Given this, I think your rates are not accurate...and yes...I have also obtained the information I posted by talking personally to people; the difference is that these people did tell me the truth because I happen to be a very close friend of theirs. Just wanted to clarify...
tinkerbell :icon_chick:
Posted at: July 17, 2006, 09:46:45 PM
Quote from: Leigh on September 08, 2005, 08:43:40 PM
I have seen it posted that the success rate is 85%.
However, I have to wonder how many women would report less than good results. If you do end up sensate it may be months or several years before the big O happens if it ever does. Many natally born women have problems reaching O.
I thought you had obtained this information from personal conversations with people.
tinkerbell :icon_chick:
Quote from: tinkerbell on July 17, 2006, 09:50:12 PM
I thought you had obtained this information from personal conversations with people.
If you will read back I said --
I have seen it posted In the latter post I said--
I can state that from personal conversations with way more than 10 posties the rate is more like75/80 %. I know many women who are post op and the majority of them have to ability to orgasm. Wether or not they choose to do so on a regular basis is their personal decision.
Leigh
This is a topic that really hadn't crossed my mind until very recently. Right now i have no sex drive what-so-ever, so to reach orgasm at this point in time is not going to happen. Age, meds, psycho reasons, who knows, why it's not there. I haven't been bothered by it one way or the other, but with SRS/GRS looming I'm now wandering if my sex drive will return. Now that would be a feeling I haven't experienced in years.
Steph
Steph
Speaking of my situation it had been years, many years since I had experienced a release. Sure I dated during transition, but never once did I let the situation go below my waist. That would have been an invalidation of who I was, using something that just should not be there.
I was fortunate that I met a wonderful woman who understood why I could not and when we parted ( she moved out of country) it was with the understanding that when I could she requested that she be my first. Two years later, plane ticket in hand I was and she did.
For me it was never about being sensate, I could have cared less. Once I found out what really living was about I was so glad my Dr. was gooooood. If anyone is having surgery for sex then they are doing it for all the wrong reasons.
Leigh
Ahhhhhhhhh she must have been a special woman. Are you still in touch?
I think that I'm feeling the same way that you were when it came to sex during transition, I think it is psychologically related (as you put it) to not want to validating something that should not be there. And I have to agree with you on:
QuoteIf anyone is having surgery for sex then they are doing it for all the wrong reasons.
Definitely the wrong reason. Now I've heard of people having sex for surgery :) Sorry I couldn't resist.
Steph
Yes Steph she is special. At different times we lived to towns that were maybe 30 miles apart so we have that in common. I'm part Indian and she is part Latino. we met at a Leather play party. And suprise suprise, we both like women.
As a matter of fact she is going to be in town for a few months before flying back. That may change my vacation plans.
QuoteNow I've heard of people having sex for surgery Sorry I couldn't resist.
Me too but as much as I needed surgery I couldn't have done that. I would have went broke :D
Leigh
Okay this reply is for myself...I know....weird...but it works to relieve stress!!!.
TINKERBELL: tinkerbell #2, you need one of this :icon_chillpill:
TINKERBELL #2: Thank you Tinkerbell, but I think I'll need a bottle of that.
TINKERBELL: Oh you're very welcome, keep shaking...oops...I mean..smiling,
tinkerbell :icon_chick:
Quote from: Leigh on July 17, 2006, 11:08:50 PM
Yes Steph she is special. At different times we lived to towns that were maybe 30 miles apart so we have that in common. I'm part Indian and she is part Latino. we met at a Leather play party. And suprise suprise, we both like women.
As a matter of fact she is going to be in town for a few months before flying back. That may change my vacation plans.
Me too but as much as I needed surgery I couldn't have done that. I would have went broke :D
Leigh
I hear you :) But I do find the notion of experiencing the big O tantalizing to say the least. I can hope I guess.
Steph
In my limited experience, there are posties who are not sensate and don't care because they have no interest in sex. I know only one postie who is not yet orgasmic (about 7 mos post) but does have sensation. She said she wasn't all that sensate before surgery and hadn't had an orgasm for a long time pre-op either. Most of those I know who have sex claim to have orgasm. To some extent, I think orgasm is something that needs to tended, especially in women and if neglected can become difficult or impossible to acheive. I was sensate right after surgery though I made no attempt to reach orgasm for the first two months as recommended in the post-surgical instructions. After that, I could reach something like orgasm, but it took forever (40-60 minutes) and wasn't all that great. I became frustrated and I could see where some people might give it up as not worth the effort. However, I am *very* persistent, and with time and practice, I am now able to acheive strong orgasms in as little as 12-15 minutes. I post this only to emphasize that it took great effort, patience, and persistence to become orgasmic as a woman. My libido is still very healthy and that was a strong incentive to keep trying. It also takes time to forget what you once understood orgasm to be--for men it's so very simple--and learn the more subtle and complex female orgasm. Don't be afraid to play with the equipment ;)
Dawn
Quote from: DawnL on July 18, 2006, 09:27:30 PM
In my limited experience, there are posties who are not sensate and don't care because they have no interest in sex. I know only one postie who is not yet orgasmic (about 7 mos post) but does have sensation. She said she wasn't all that sensate before surgery and hadn't had an orgasm for a long time pre-op either. Most of those I know who have sex claim to have orgasm. To some extent, I think orgasm is something that needs to tended, especially in women and if neglected can become difficult or impossible to acheive. I was sensate right after surgery though I made no attempt to reach orgasm for the first two months as recommended in the post-surgical instructions. After that, I could reach something like orgasm, but it took forever (40-60 minutes) and wasn't all that great. I became frustrated and I could see where some people might give it up as not worth the effort. However, I am *very* persistent, and with time and practice, I am now able to acheive strong orgasms in as little as 12-15 minutes. I post this only to emphasize that it took great effort, patience, and persistence to become orgasmic as a woman. My libido is still very healthy and that was a strong incentive to keep trying. It also takes time to forget what you once understood orgasm to be--for men it's so very simple--and learn the more subtle and complex female orgasm. Don't be afraid to play with the equipment ;)
Dawn
As I said in my reply to Leigh, suddenly the notion of orgasm has become more and more intriguing. Even Gillian and I were talking about that tonight, where she said that "I know you" and that I would be wanting to try out the new equipment to see if it works. And while that may have seemed amusing at the time it had some serious over tones for us.
Steph
for resurecting such an old thread, but there just alwasys seems to be so much pressure put on this orgasm thing. Most surgeons are skillfull enough that they will leave you with the physical ability to orgasm. The art and act of doing it and acheving it is upt to the indvidual mentally and emotionally, and in practice. It takes practice and determination to acheive orgasm, but once you get one, you will get others for sure.
Actually a self stimulated orgasm is not that hard to acheive, and the act, and the effect is not that much diffrent in feeling than a penile orgasm. It takes longer, and i have to keep my mind into it, but the climax is about the same, just does'nt last as long, and the contractions are'nt quite as strong, and of course there is nothing shooting out. However, in my case, and this does happen to natal females as well, I was concerned the first time it happened to me, so I asked my doctor about it. When I reach climax, the muscles in and around my ureretha relax, and release a small amount of fluid. According to my doctor, this is a urine type fluid, but not total urine, it mixes with mucal material that is released by the membranes that surrounds the ureretha, and this is perfectly normal.
The harder orgasm is the vaginal one from penetration, wheter it be from a toy, or a penis. In my case these take much longer, and I have only acheived these with one guy that I have been with, but have acheived it quite a bit on my home with a toy, it just takes well over an hour, of total concentration and total relaxation. There are several ways of acheiving these. I have learned and practice using my kegel muscle, which at first is hard to find and hard to figure it, becuase your brain is re-wiring and learning how to work the new arrangment down below. Its a diffrnert muscle than the one that stops you from peeing, but you will also learn to use this muscle during innercourse, and all this, along with whats left of the prostrate gland helps in acheiving orgasm.
Sex drive is something totally diffrent and has nothing to do with what the surgeon does. If you have a low sex drive before surgery and have always had one, than you will more than likley still have a low sex drive after surgery. This is a mental and emotional thing and ralrely has anything to do with the physicality of your bottom parts.
It took me about 3 months to have a self stimulated orgasm after SRS, another 6 months to have one through penetration. I try and have one at least once a week, wheter it be on my own, or with a boyfriend, just to stay in practice, and to stay intune with myself, physicaly, sexually and emotionally.
Physically, I know for a fact that my doctor gave me plenty of sensation so that I would be capable of orgasm, so I have no doubt that physically everything works properly. So I would imageine that all of the major surgeons have the same prefected technique. Therefore, its up to me menatlly, and emotionally to learn how to use it and make it work.
Sexuality is just something that is in us, and being and feeling sexy really has nothing to do with wheter we are male or female. If we did'nt understand ourselves sexually as men, and did'nt really no how to experience ourselves, and others sexually then, than it will probally be the same way post op, becuase our physical parts down below have nothing to with this.
Orgasm, and other sexual exctcies usually entails letting oursleves go complelty, and in order to this we have to feel good emotionaly about ourselves and our partners, and we have to trust ourselves and the guy or girl that we are with. In this regards, it does'nt matter what we are physically capbale of, or what parts we have down below. its all about our emotions and how we feel about ourselves.
-pass-
Quote from: passiflora on January 30, 2007, 02:07:41 PM
Orgasm, and other sexual exctcies usually entails letting oursleves go complelty, and in order to this we have to feel good emotionaly about ourselves and our partners, and we have to trust ourselves and the guy or girl that we are with. In this regards, it does'nt matter what we are physically capbale of, or what parts we have down below. its all about our emotions and how we feel about ourselves.
And I can vouche from my own personal experience that this statement is also valid for me as a man.... or whoever I am.
LL&R
Maebh