So I bought it, despite the very bad Lola Jake reviews, I think my desire for a realistic penis and excitement of what it should of been able to do took over, logic went flying out of the window!
Ok so heres my review. I am not sure I SHOULD have bought it. I WOULD NOT recommend Lola Jake to anyone, I think they (Koi Concepts llc) are a BAD company with no integrity to be honest . Mostly because of their Customer Care and the fact they throw away all consumer rights in their Terms and Conditions (http://www.lolajake.com/?q=node/34). To be honest I think they are exploiting FTM's desperation/insecurities.. by seeming to offer almost everything an ftm wants (except for ejaculating sperm from the penis, the prosthesis/enhancements are advertised to do almost everything else, not true) ...AND so getting away with being a terrible company. On top of that also painting themselves as super cool and informed company with their fancy good looking website, cute videos, twitter account and special offers. its seductive, it almost looks like they are a group of trans people themselves how they make themselves look, but actually they are a large prosthetic company that deals mainly in penile extensions for men (check out9114men.com (http://9114men.com)). They have no decent consumer policies, no returns policy, they could send you a penis that looks like a Halloween mask and you couldn't say crap about it (well not exactly.. but if you open the plastic bag it comes in then you can't do jack about it, which you need to do to get a decent look and feel of it).
Ok so now I've got the rant about the company out of my system, I'll talk about the product. The product initially looked really good, then after one single "play" session with my GF that day, using the recommended water based lubricant, the skin came off.. no kidding.. the silicone skin literally started to peal off in strips (which can't be vagina friendly for the GF partner or for the FTM genitals, as small particles can have bad effects). Also when I tried to adhere it to my skin it didn't work, it just came off instantly, even though I spent a fortune on the specialist adhesive they recommend.
SIZE: is kind of big, but I like it, I would be happy with that size of package IF it were more realistic.. IF it adhered to the skin properly and if everything else was good... but right now if I pack with it you can see the thick silicone "tab" leaning forward.. so its very obviously not a penis.. also the shaft when without the flexy rod, is like a flat hose pipe.. imagine some rolled up ham then bend in the middle, thats the effect... which is also fairly obvious through trousers.
COLOR: is actually really good, but that is because I ordered the caramel color.. even though I am a fairly pale Irish Caucasian person, the vanilla is SUPER PALE, it glows like a milk bottle (I've seen photos).. unless you look like a white porcelain doll, Dracula or white frozen corpse, don't get vanilla!
I have also heard very bad stories about people who ordered that have been Native American, Latino, Asian or Mixed parentage.. because there "inbetween" colors (which you pay extra for) tend to be really BAD, like orange colored.. the shades are often lighter than anticipated (for example Caramel you would think would suit a light brown skin tone rather than Irish caucasian skin tone, and Coco would be dark when actually coco is probably still too light for many people with brown skin tones from LJ).. also I think their coco color is slightly orange.. when not many people have orange-brown skin. They do not match your personal skin tones even if you pay extra.
Weight: It is heavy, I wish it were less heavy, but I suppose this does make it a bit better for love making, not so good for packing.
So my advice to anyone shopping for prosthetic is THIS....
1) ALWAYS READ THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS (http://www.lolajake.com/?q=node/34), its the legal jargon bit, but try and make sense of it because it matters.
2) Don't just look at the price tag.. think about all additional costs and add it all up to a total.. Postage, plus Adhesive, plus Tape Kit (which u WILL need), plus any customizations, plus take into account the very bad and wrong exchange rate Pay Pal give you if your an international customer. Add ALL this up and then see what the different prosthetics give you in terms of returns policies etc.
3) Don't run away with the fantasy! the reality is NOT as good
4) Think about the Logistics... more about this below.
LOGISTICSWhat is the point in a prosthetic, think about what you want.
For example...
- Does it matter if it is realistic in color and function if you are just using it as a packer and it stays in the underwear? Why not just buy a Mr limpy or some other kind of cheap packer instead?.. and if it coz you want the packer to adhere to the skin for convenience, you can still buy the adhesive and probably have as much success gluing it to yourself as a real prosthetic.. it will save you a lot of money and will pretty much have the same effect.
- But You want to Pack an Play right.. Weeell.. that is fair enough this is why I bought mine.. BUT the problem is a penis you buy for "love making" is probably going to be too heavy and big for packing.. because a biological mans penis grows and becomes hard when about to have intercourse.. unless you are satisfied with having a small penis for intercourse, it will probably be too big for packing...if you usually like making love with a larger "instrument", this may not be satisfactory for you. ALSO another major point, the flexi Rod you sometimes get with prosthetics make the penis kind of *hard*.. even when bent into a packable shape.. SO it is not so comfortable for packing... so really you are likely carry around the rod in your pocket when you intend to make love and then have to slot it in.. using lubricant.. you will also have to carry around lubricant for the sex itself, and possibly a condom to keep the skin from flaking off.. so think about it.. if you have to do all that, isn't it just the same as changing over to a different "phallous" (dildo or penis prosthetic?) for the purpose of intercourse?
- But I want a stand to pee.. this is the BEST reason to buy a prosthetic, because it is good to have something realistic when it is being shown in public, BUT most prosthetic have fairly bad adaptations for this, (read the reviews), some don't even have that capability, and it often cost a lot more. Try modify a cheap packer.. I doubt anyone will notice, or just make sure your prosthetic STP is going to work before you buy, or that you can take it back if it doesn't.
Ok thats all I want to say on the matter. I DO intend to enjoy my prosthetic, because I cannot take it back.. but I wish I had got something else or saved my money. Altogether it cost me 550 Dollars. Thats a LOT of money!
I also have a Lola Jake and was not particularly happy with the end product. My review is here.
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,92391.0.html (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,92391.0.html)
One thing I wanted to say is that you need to allow time for the adhesive to dry. At least a couple of hours before you declare the whole thing a failure. If you feel motivated enough you can purchase the tape kit from Lola Jake. That cuts the drying time in half.
Another thing is that the adhesive will disintegrate a lower quality packer. Mr. Limpy is made out of bubblegum ... Okay not really but it will not work with the adhesive. Only a high quality silicon is appropriate for the bt-460 adhesive. Just trust me on this one.
I agree with you about the pack and play. When I want to play I use a harness and goodfella. I use my packer constantly, day and night. So the bulge in the pants and the weight against my thighs is what I'm spending the money for.
I don't hate Billy besides that fact that it doesn't look remotely really and is honestly a bit to large. I'm planning on ordering their newest model, Tommy, soon for my birthday. As he is smaller and has balls that hang lower and swing better. So yes that will make me a return costumer. Once I figured out how to make the adhesive work for me I've really really enjoyed not having to walk around with a harness.
Thank you for telling me about the problems from mixing colours. I'll just order caramel instead of spending the extra money to get between vanilla and caramel.
Thanks for the response, I will try the glue drying technique you mentioned. I am very angry with them and so I do not recommend them, but I suppose if you have a good income and you are getting the smaller cheaper packers Lola Jake have maybe you can afford to take these risks.
BUT I do want to say one more thing about my suggestion of the gluing a Mr Limpy type packer.. I still think it would work if the packer isn't too heavy but instead of the very expensive and corrosive adhesive you could use the inexpensive double-sided tape used for 'breast forms' (http://www.thebreastformstore.com/double-sided-tape.aspx (http://www.thebreastformstore.com/double-sided-tape.aspx))... just an idea, worth trying I think!!
Anyway.. good luck with your penis shopping guys, hope it all works out for ya. Even if you are happy with your Lola Jake purchase, please support other transmen however you can in their disputes with product or service providers.. we need to protect our consumer rights and not be exploited!
Take Care,
Vin
ps. My favorite realistic "play" dildo (or penis.. if you see it that way, I do!).. is Vix Skin.. by vixen creations.. they are really durable, will last years, they feel good, warm up quite well. The colors crap and so is the balls usually, but in general the best of the "toy" level I've seen. AND they are sweet people, good customer service, very respectful and have a great returns policy.
I've always been sketchy about Lola Jake products... so I will probably avoid them. None of them on the website seem that appealing anyway regardless of their horrible reviews.
Have you seen the Reel Magik ones? That is one I am thinking of saving up for, especially if they make an STP version, which apparently they are working on it.
Quote from: vin_be on May 13, 2011, 10:57:42 AM
ps. My favorite realistic "play" dildo (or penis.. if you see it that way, I do!).. is Vix Skin.. by vixen creations.. they are really durable, will last years, they feel good, warm up quite well. The colors crap and so is the balls usually, but in general the best of the "toy" level I've seen. AND they are sweet people, good customer service, very respectful and have a great returns policy.
That's what I have and use ... it's been over a year & it still in great condition - an it's not for lack of use --- plus vixen offers a lifetime warranty
I don't really need the play option so I think I'm going for the PeeCock. Thanks for reviewing though Vin and Squirrel. Jay please review if you get the Reelmagik I'm curious to find out if it's as good as it looks.
I just got the Vixen Creations "Lonestar" for play, and it's a hit. I highly recommend it. But it wouldn't be good for a packer. But I agree with Vin & Rob, the company was really easy to deal with and it was delivered quickly.
But, what I'm really holding out for is the ReelMagik w STP option. Can't wait for that to come out.
Quote from: xAndrewx on May 13, 2011, 03:48:30 PM
I don't really need the play option so I think I'm going for the PeeCock. Thanks for reviewing though Vin and Squirrel. Jay please review if you get the Reelmagik I'm curious to find out if it's as good as it looks.
Same here (when I can start saving), although it's worth noting that the Peecock is a 3-in-1, so you can use it for play ;) Not that it'll make any difference for me right now :P
Ok this is Kind of an update, I have made steps to get a refund for my LolaJake prosthetic.. So now Lolajake have posted a big rant on their page about this.. but I promise you these claims are not fraudulant, it is them who are in the wrong and have been unbelievably insensitive and uncooperative.
From Lolajake website....
"Notice: Effective Immediately
Lola Jake has been committed over the years to meeting the needs of our customers.(by generally ripping them off)
We as a company decided early on to offer custom creations at the best prices possible. We additionally offer an exchange program, to return your old device for a 30% credit towards a new model- how awesome is that! (so if the product that you paid 500 dollars for looks like a latex halloween mask or like its made from playdoh.. falls apart like playdoh.. you can send it back and we will give you 30% off another $500 pile of crap.. so in total you will pay 850 dollars for two different piles of crap! THATS A W E S O M E"
"Recently we have been experiencing an increase in fraudulent claims from FTM customers who are ignoring our policy.By the way that "increase", is actually one transguy in total who made a claim for a refund (because we are so tight arsed we would not give him a refund for a totally faulty product, and actually HE DIDN'T WIN the case, so actually we haven't lost any money at all! but we just don't like anyone talking back! especially not those silly transguys we love exploiting
Unfortunately, the actions of a few (One Person), during this time are causing our overall overhead to increase. Therefore our prices and product line has been adjusted. (Actually we didn't loose any money, because that ONE ftm LOST the claim...hehe SUCKERS!, but because of loss of trade do to our poor quality products and bad reputation, we have decided to continue selling crap but for higher prices!!... AREN'T WE GREAT!!"
"Furthermore, we will invest time to follow up on each and every fraudulent claim brought to Lola Jake. It is our responsibility to our "honest" customers to pursue each claim to the fullest extent the law allows. (Basically any claim, even if justified, that is made against us we claim is "fraudulent" because we have a fancy lawyer.. ner ner na ner ner! Suckers!... and we ALWAYS WIN! "
"We are still committed to offer our customers the best in quality, ingenuity and custom designs.(Well at least thats what we want you to believe!, basically PLEASE buy our products, the poor quality is nothing in comparison to our Brilliant and AWSOME unkept promises!! *Big Fake Teethy Smile ;D*)"
It is very simple they sent me a faulty product, I want a refund, their products are made from unsafe and perishable materials. I don't care about what their very discrete terms and conditions say because. It is not fraudulent. They have said on their page they are adjusting prices, well what I think is instead on adjusting prices they should learn to make suitable products, I don't like a attack independant businesses, I am actually very socially conscious, but Transmen are a marginalised community who have very little rights anyway, we don't need companies, no matter who they are exploiting us, so thats my point of view, don't believe the information they spin out on their website.
That was funny, but in a sad they won't give you your money back way.
I really wanted to get one from them when I saw how they looked on their site, now I say ->-bleeped-<- em. I'd rather get the 12 dollar ones from adult sex stores online that actually last...I've had my stp/packer bought for $65 and two years later, its roughed up but no where near falling apart. I even named it Fred. Because why not?
Quote from: JayValentine on May 26, 2011, 01:47:17 PM
That was funny, but in a sad they won't give you your money back way.
I really wanted to get one from them when I saw how they looked on their site, now I say <not allowed> em. I'd rather get the 12 dollar ones from adult sex stores online that actually last...I've had my stp/packer bought for $65 and two years later, its roughed up but no where near falling apart. I even named it Fred. Because why not?
I like the name fred, I haven't got close to any cock yet to name it, unfortunately, but when I do , I think I will, I have been tempted to name my bear like beer belly.. maybe bob or dave.. we'll see. :)
Have you tried reporting them to the BBB?
They sound a lot like they are heading along the path of mango products. Where making money is more important than satisfying a customer.
Somewhere I wrote a review of all the prosthetics I tried.
IMO, the best packers are the cheapy Mr. Limpy or whatever name they go by and cost around $15 give or take. The 3.5" is adequate for packing and can easily be modified with a hot screwdriver to make an STP. Best bang for your buck. And, FWIW, it does feel like a real flaccid penis when warm and through clothes.
IMO the best prosthetic for play is the FTM Prosthetic from Australia. Don't waste your money on the dual, because it will be way too huge to pack with. And don't get your hopes up for glueing it on for sex, reality is it hangs off of your mons and looks and feels ridiculous, never mind not actually sticking as promised (has anyone really gotten a heavy play prosthetic to stick for actual PIV sex with their gf/wife?). But it's texture is decent, it is firm yet flexible like a real hard dick is, it has decent length and girth and should satisfy most partners unless you have a size queen. Buy a decent harness (it works in the spare parts but take care getting it in and out) and you are good to go.
Lola Jake was crap; Goodfella and similar Vixskin products are decent for the price; Like Real better than LJ but again don't waste money on the STP option, but it is an inferior material to the Australia product and not sure it will hold up as well.
I have also had some cyberskin products and rubber products; they are ok but very poor quality and don't last, smell bad, and aren't capable of being sterilized like the silicone products.
As the OP said, we get caught up in the excitement of getting a prosthetic, but remember most pics can be (and likely are) photoshopped and will not match your skin tone exactly even if you get a custom color (I did and they didn't). We want to believe it will work for us, that the cons aren't as bad and you can deal, but if money is a concern, save for a decent product, be realistic about what it can and can't do, don't get sucked into the hype.
Jay
Wasn't planning to buy from Lola Jake but definitely won't be now, wow... thanks for the heads up.
I'm also thinking about the Reel Magik prosthetic, especially if/when they come out with an STP model. Those are by far the most realistic ones I've seen. I'd need to know it worked flawlessly as an STP to drop that kind of money though.
The Peecock also looks interesting but I'd like to hear what more people have to say about it. I know 1 or 2 people have reviewed it here... anyone else have comments on it?
Edit: Sorry about all of that. Clearly I was having an emotional day. :(
Any rate my point was that I like Lola Jake. I do not believe they are exploiting anyone. Buying the matte finish takes care of all so called pealing problem.