This is best viewed in full screen mode. WOW!
Bye Bye Comet! [HD Video] (http://www.flickr.com/photos/gsfc/5715631317/#secretffce0fbd83)
Breaking news: The comet has launched a lawsuit because the Sun did not have labels warning what would happen during a collision.
Other comets have gone into protest citing "Think of the Asteroids!".
Neat video.
More fuel for us. The Sun will not die so soon now.
What you all saw there is not unusual for the sun. There has been over 1000 comet sightings by this satellite (SOHO) since early 1996. I do visit this site on a regular basis. The image is from one of the two coronagraphs on this satellite. A coronagraph is a special apparatus for looking at the sun's corona while blocking its ball. What you saw was a comet coming near or into the Sun. The outburst in the upper right corner is called a coronal mass ejection (CME). The CME is not related to the comet at all, but a separate mechanism from sunspots and/or magnetic storms. This was just a coincidence. The inner white circle is the ball of the sun represented and the whole circle represents the entire occulting disc.
Main page: http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/home.html (http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/home.html)
Image page: http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime-images.html (http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime-images.html)
If you go to the image page, you'll find 8 images. The two on the bottom left are the coronagraphs. The red LASCO C3 is the close-up and the blue LASCO C2 is the wide. If you then click the gif movies link, you'll see the latest movie to about a few weeks before. The blue LASCO C2 has the interesting view of the stars and planets moving about it along with the coronal changes, comets and the CMEs. That noise you see are the random proton hits on the detector. A large CME directed at the satellite have been known to put the satellite into safe mode. The two images on the bottom right is the visible image and magnetic maps of the sun. The white in the magnetic map denotes + (North), The black is - (South) magnetic polarity.
The four on the top are the far ultraviolet images, the numbers next to the letters EIT (Extreme ultraviolet Imaging Telescope) are the wavelengths in angstroms.
Joelene, 50 year serious amateur astronomer.
Thanks for the links, Joelene.
Although coincidence isn't quite as exciting as some crazy interaction setting off an ejection, it's nice to know what happened. At first I thought the comet released a buildup and therefore set off the CME, but the image's explanation refutes that.
Astronomy is neat; as is physics and the other natural sciences.
Now just imagine this comet and Earth. Oh, that's right, we'll get front row seats on 12/21/2012! :D
The whole concept of deep space impacts fascinates me, especially those that have hit Earth. Sometime, when you have a few spare hours, I'll tell you about a theory I have on a specific time and place when humans survived a 2012 like experience.
Packs her documents and manuscript away for another day... ::)
Ahhhhh Come on Julie. Start a new thread. You have peaked my interest now. ;D
Quote from: Julie Marie on May 15, 2011, 05:09:14 AM
Now just imagine this comet and Earth. Oh, that's right, we'll get front row seats on 12/21/2012! :D
The whole concept of deep space impacts fascinates me, especially those that have hit Earth. Sometime, when you have a few spare hours, I'll tell you about a theory I have on a specific time and place when humans survived a 2012 like experience.
Packs her documents and manuscript away for another day... ::)
This comet was a small piece. It had the type of volatiles that gas out at high temperatures and was only visible when it got near the sun. The size of the coma and tail is an exaggeration of the size of the nucleus. This comet would do very little, if any, damage to the earth if it struck it.
There is a possibility of being struck by a comet or asteroid that would do damage to mankind. There are observers, myself included, around the world that look for and confirm asteroid and comet sightings. These object observations are put into a central database, their orbital elements plotted and mapped. I in return can download the latest listings that can be inputted into my planetarium program. There are about 550,000 asteroids in my database at this moment. I use that database when I find an asteroid in one series of my images. I can use that to identify that asteroid, get the solution on the position, date and time, and turn it in if the Minor Planet Center wants more data on it.
Back to the end of the Cretaceous Period when tha last biggie struck, the smartest being on Earth was probably the velociraptor. It showed that it had the family and group structure more advanced than the other dinosaurs. But they didn't have the skills to survive the volcanic Deccan Traps and the asteroid collision that followed. Our species has survived and thrived in conditions that did in the other species.
Ours is the only species on this planet that can do something about rogue asteroids and comets. We got the advanced brain which led to something called technology. We can divert these things if we have enough time to act from the detection of these. However, we can still be blindsided with these since our world wide detection system is limited by the natural observation windows. Weather, moonlight, seasons, downtime of instruments, etc. contribute to the narrowing of the observation windows. Political inertia is added to the list because of the limited funding in this area. Professional observatories like the Lincoln Lab and the Catalina Mountains Observatory find the bulk of these.
There are a lot of amateurs like myself that go out and look for and track these things down out of or own pockets. It is 108 miles round trip to the site I use, and I have to set-up my equipment and break it down again every night I go out there. The cost of gas and the maintenance of my vehicle, equipment and the property I use is all out-of-pocket.
Joelene
I would love to hear that theory, Julie.
Gennee
:)
wow that was really cool :)
I'd like to hear your theory too
Okay, my theory in a nutshell...
Some 4-5 thousand years ago, the area we now know as the Middle East was hit by a deep space impact. It wasn't a single impact, more like a carpet bombing. Geological evidence tells us there are several craters and one major landslide from Austria to Israel to Jordan to Saudi Arabia and even India.
Scientists theorize a deep space object about a kilometer in diameter (Hale-Bopp was very close by at the time and could have left some debris behind) passed over Köfels, Austria and broke apart (exploded) and caused a massive landslide. From there it continued on over what was then the Pentopolis, the Five Cities, which included Sodom and Gomorrah destroying all five cities and possibly impacting earth and forming what we now know as the Dead Sea.
There are craters in Israel, Jordan and Saudi Arabia, and possibly one on the Indian Ocean, that all fall in a direct line with the landslide in Austria. Scientists can't agree on the dating of all these events but all have at some time been dated in that 4-5 thousand year ago time period.
We know Ancient Egypt suddenly collapsed. At the same time the Akkadian Empire in Mesopotamia, an empire equal to and advanced as the Egyptian Empire, also suddenly collapsed. This happened around 4200 years ago. We also know there was a massive aridification that occurred at the same time. Crop failure, famine and death followed. Maybe the ejectile from the impacts blocking out the sun caused this?
If anyone is still interested in hearing more, let me know and I'll keep going. I guess there is no way to tell this in a nutshell. Right now my fingers are tired.
Pretty cool, thanks for posting it.
The video does need O Fortuna in the background, though. :laugh:
Keep going, Julie.
Gennee
Okay Gennee. All I need is one ear. ;D
There is an event known as the 4.2 Kiloyear BP Event (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4.2_kiloyear_event). Scientists are, at present, pointing to a dramatic change in the ocean currents that caused a cataclysmic drought in Egypt, Mesopotamia and elsewhere. Egyptologists say the ancient writings, specifically of Ankhtifi (http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/texts/ankhtifi.htm), tell of a very sudden change that brought famine so great people were eating their children.
"A phase of intense aridity in 4.2 ka BP is well recorded across North Africa, the middle East, the Red sea, the Arabian peninsula, the Indian subcontinent, and even midcontinental North America. Glaciers throughout the mountain ranges of western Canada advanced at about this time. Evidence has also been found in an Italian cave flowstone, and in Andean glacier ice.
The onset of the aridification in Mesopotamia near 4100 B.P also coincided with a cooling event in the North Atlantic, known as Bond event 3."
They know this happened and they are blaming ocean currents but they don't say WHY the ocean currents suddenly changed. And if it was a sudden change in ocean currents, wouldn't the people who eventually suffered famine had more time to deal with it rather than resorting to eating their children? Ocean currents don't change in the blink of an eye and even if they did, climatic changes would have taken some time to occur. But if it was a deep space impact, there would be no time to react.
Now, this is but a fraction of the scientific evidence supporting my theory (which is NOT that we were hit by a deep space impact). But what about other evidence? Well, turn to the Bible.
"First God made heaven & earth. The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters." Genesis 1: 1-2
"Then the LORD rained on Sodom and Gomor'rah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; and he overthrew those cities, and all the valley, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and what grew on the ground." Genesis 1: 24-25
The Five Cities, The Pentapolis, Sodom, Gomor'rah, Admah, Zeboim, and Bela—also called Zo'ar, were all destroyed in this firestorm. The Jordan Crater is located approximately 200 kilometers from the Dead Sea, the place where The Pentapolis is said to have existed.
Further evidence of the suggestion there may have been an impact can be found in Genesis 19:27-30 –
"And Abraham went early in the morning to the place where he had stood before the LORD; and he looked down toward Sodom and Gomor'rah and toward all the land of the valley, and beheld, and lo, the smoke of the land went up like the smoke of a furnace. So it was that, when God destroyed the cities of the valley, God remembered Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow, when he overthrew the cities in which Lot dwelt. Now Lot went up out of Zo'ar, and dwelt in the hills with his two daughters, for he was afraid to dwell in Zo'ar; so he dwelt in a cave with his two daughters."
Being in a cave at the time of impact would have been one of the few ways to survive the impact. But life on earth after this event would have been horrific. Fire and brimstone is a very accurate way to describe what would happen if we were hit by a deep space impact.
So far, this has been only to support the theory of man having survived a 2012-like event. Some scientists have already theorized that and there's much more evidence, but eventually this will take us to something else that for me was an "A-hah!" moment.
Still with me?
Yes Ma am. Just let me sharpen my pencil before you continue.
In our next lesson we will cover how Mecca fits into all this. ::)
Pencil at the ready, paper set
I am ready Ma am. ;D
Much of what you said is happening right at this moment. The droughts in Texas, New Mexico, and Oklahoma. The rains in the Midwest, the heavy snows in the northeast. All this was propehsied and is happening now. Global warming really does not surprise me. Add in all the abuse to the environment and you have the makings of a catastrphe.
Gennee
MECCA
After the departure and return of Abraham to Mecca, and his discovery that Hagar had died, Abraham was then ordered by God to make Hagar's house into a temple where people could pray. Therefore, he demolished the house and began construction of the Ka'ba.
God gave Abraham precise instructions concerning how to rebuild the shrine and Gabriel showed him the location. It is said that by the grace of God the Divine Peace (al-sakinah) descended in the form of a wind which brought a cloud in the shape of a dragon that revealed to Abraham and Ishmael the site of the old temple. They were told to construct the shrine directly upon the shadow of the cloud, neither exceeding nor diminishing its dimensions.
Legends say the shrine was built from the stones of five sacred mountains: Mt. Sinai, the Mount of Olives, Mt. Lebanon, Al-Judi, and nearby Mt. Hira. Upon the completion of the shrine, Gabriel brought a magic stone for the sanctuary. Different sources speculate that this stone was a meteorite or a great white sapphire from the Garden of Eden, that it had been concealed on the nearby sacred mountain of Abu Qubays during the period of the flood, and that it was later restored to Abraham for inclusion in his version of the Ka'ba.We know, from the detonation of the atomic bomb, that the earth melts and crystallizes in high heat environments. The temperature of the earth upon the impact of a comet travelling over 130,000 miles an hour would certainly be sufficiently high enough to equal the temperature achieved from an atomic bomb detonation.
The Bible, Torah and Qur'an all have references to Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden as the beginning of human life on earth. Could it be that there were many Gardens of Eden, all places far enough away from the impact to not be immediately affected by the impact? But, as the debris from the impact was thrown into the atmosphere and began to cover the earth, it would have blocked the sunlight and vegetation would have died off.
And about the forbidden fruit Eve was said to have tasted? It wasn't forbidden, it was rotten. Once their ability to grow food was gone, these people would have left their "gardens" and gone out to seek someplace where they could grow their crops and survive. They weren't thrown out of the Garden of Eden, they left because their "garden" (their homeland) had died.
Next class we'll discuss the Great Flood.
Gennee! Stop dipping Janet's pigtails in the inkwell!
Interesting. The garden was lush with other trees. It ws just this specific tree that Adam and Eve were forbidden to eat. The greater lesson in this was that they had freedom of choice. I'm not all that familiar with much of the natural events that happened during that time but I'm that there were many. Need to do a little more research.
Gennee
I find it interesting when science supports the Bible. A couple of years ago scientists finally cracked a 150 year old mystery. A man by the name of Henry Layard found a clay tablet in the remains of the Royal Palace at Ninevah. It had some etchings on it but about half of it was gone. It is called by some the Assyrian Planisphere because the tablet was created by a Syrian but based on the original account of a Sumerian astronomer.
(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fimages%2F358067%2F1_61_sodom_asteroid_tablet.jpg&hash=73e19569b2316d8053d604728c2e132c4e497869)
Recently, scientists input the readable data from the tablet and , with the help of computers, arrived at the conclusion that this tablet was a historical record of a deep space impact that occurred on June 29, 3123 BC. And from there speculation arose that this impact could have been what destroyed Sodom and Gomor'rah. Some speculated it could have created the Dead Sea and others thought it could have been responsible for the Great Flood.
Planisphere Story on FOX (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,343674,00.html)
As I researched this further I found a lot of data supporting the existence of craters in Israel, Jordan (http://www.menafn.com/qn_news_story_s.asp?StoryId=1093122871) and southern Saudi Arabia. I recently found there is a crater in India that could be linked to this event.
The first three crater locations and the landslide in Austria all fall in a straight line. But the dating of each event has been all over the place.
The Wabar Craters (http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/jwynn/3wabar.html) in southern S.A. was originally dated around 7500 years ago. That was later moved up to 5500 years ago. The USGS surveyed the site and said it could have been as recent as 150 years ago. The problem with that is the ejectile created from this impact would have been substantial and I cannot find any historical records of an impact of that proportion having taken place then. Jeffrey Wynn and Gene Shoemaker calculated that the incoming object weighed more than 300 tons and released the energy equivalent of at least 1,000 tons of exploding TNT. I'm sure if it was as recent as 300 years ago someone would have written something about it. However, archeologists have said dating impact events in the desert is very difficult.
The destruction from the impact in Israel is said to have had the potential to vaporize about 120 cubic miles of water. This might explain how the water level of the Dead Sea was quickly reduced to 1300 feet below sea level. Salt raining down would increase the salt concentration of the remaining water to a brine solution (about 20 per cent salt) as it is today. Landfill from the Great Crater might have shut off the Red Sea from the Dead Sea.
The destruction from the impact told in the Assyrian Planisphere would have included temperatures on earth as high as 400 C (725 F) and would have covered an area as large as 1,000,000 SqK.
So the next time you find yourself reading Genesis, imagine the author telling the story of the aftermath of something that caused all this destruction. It certainly fits the bill.
There were many cataclismic events during and after Genesis was written. I'm curious if a meteor helped formed the Grand Canyon. Though scripture doesn't go into any great detail or mention it, I don't deny that meteor showers did happen. They happen a lot. I believe that science confirms much of what happened in biblical times and before.
Gennee
is this for real? it looks really cool!!! :)
Quote from: harisu4444 on June 18, 2011, 07:59:56 AM
is this for real? it looks really cool!!! :)
The scientific data is all true. The theories are still theories.
If you want to do some research for yourself, here are some links:Austrian Alps at Köfels dated 3123 B.C.
o http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,343674,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,343674,00.html)
o http://www.physorg.com/news126183668.html (http://www.physorg.com/news126183668.html)
o http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/article3649054.ece (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/article3649054.ece)
Latitude: 47° 7'12.00"N, Longitude: 10°55'12.00"E
Jabal Waqf es Suwwan , Saudi – Jordan boarder o http://www.bautforum.com/astronomy/45663-jordanian-crater.html (http://www.bautforum.com/astronomy/45663-jordanian-crater.html)
o http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php/45663-Jordanian-Crater (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php/45663-Jordanian-Crater)
o http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/Biblical_Apocalypse.html (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/Biblical_Apocalypse.html)
o http://astronomy.activeboard.com/forum.spark?aBID=58381&p=3&topicID=7901432 (http://astronomy.activeboard.com/forum.spark?aBID=58381&p=3&topicID=7901432)
o http://www.menafn.com/qn_news_story_s.asp?StoryId=1093122871 (http://www.menafn.com/qn_news_story_s.asp?StoryId=1093122871)
o http://gsanctuary.com/3craters.html (http://gsanctuary.com/3craters.html)
Latitude: 31° 2'57.30"N, Longitude: 36°48'23.96"E
Wabar Craters, Saudi Arabia o http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/jwynn/3wabar.html (http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/jwynn/3wabar.html)
Kamil Crater, Egypt: "Researchers poring over Google Earth images have discovered one of Earth's freshest impact craters — a 45-meter-wide pock in southwestern Egypt that probably was excavated by a fast-moving iron meteorite no more than a few thousand years ago."
o http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/61356/title/Hole_from_on_high (http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/61356/title/Hole_from_on_high)
o http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/07/100722-science-space-egypt-kamil-crater-meteor-meteorite-impact-hazard/ (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/07/100722-science-space-egypt-kamil-crater-meteor-meteorite-impact-hazard/)