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Started by Kellsie, May 27, 2007, 10:29:34 PM

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Shana A

QuoteDoes it help with your feminization at all?

Fae,

Perhaps it's helped a little bit, but since other factors are combined, I couldn't tell how much effect they have. At any rate, it certainly doesn't hurt to eat them, and they taste good. Earlier in the thread someone also mentioned red clover, I wonder if purple clover works, our field has plenty of that.

Zythyra
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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Shana A

QuotePurple Clover is an alternate name for Red Clover..

Thanks for the info Morticia, I just went out and ate some. The field by our house is full of clover  ;D

Zythyra
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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Shana A

Quotesee!  stay away from the bovine ovary!  <moo!>   

<zie munching on clover and hanging head in shame>  :embarrassed:

Cow could you say such a thing?  :o Well, on the udder hand, a grrl has to do what zie has to do  :D

Zythyra
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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JodieBlonde

Red clover (Trifolium pratense), is indeed a phytoestrogen.

It is useful for prostate problems, as any estrogen would be for that purpose. 

Red clover was traditionally used to treat asthma, pertussis, cancer, and gout. Results are mixed and totally anecdotal.

"Clinical" results are not a firm basis for belief in- or usage of any drug. Time related trials and years of actual observation in a clinical node are required for any derived results to hold accuracy. Such clinical results are qualified by only needing two or more observed results, and in short are not likely the whole results necessary for the efficacy or usefulness of a drug, essence or therapeutic.

In modern times, isoflavone extracts of red clover are most often used to treat menopausal symptoms, as an alternative hormone replacement therapy, for high cholesterol, or to prevent osteoporosis.

However, at this time, there are no high-quality human studies supporting the use of red clover for any medical condition.

Here's a real caveat, however.....

Based on laboratory studies, red clover may interfere with the way the liver processes some drugs using an enzyme called cytochrome P450 3A4. This is the SAME reaction by the liver caused by grapefruit!

As a result, the levels of these drugs may be increased in the blood, and may cause increased effects or potentially serious adverse reactions. Patients using any medications should check the package insert and speak with a healthcare professional or pharmacist about possible interactions.

First-pass filtering of drugs are part of the prescribed values to most drugs, and if the liver has been turned OFF, then the first-pass results are not enacted and severe overdoes of the prescribed (and un-prescribed too!) may occur.

Be careful!

Just thought you'd like to know.
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deviousxen

That amplification of potency from Red Clover seems promising in okay amounts. I doubt I'd wanna take that at the same time as like 50 other phytos though...As for bovine ovary, I wonder what looks I'll get from the health food people at the register. They're gonna know what I'm doing soon enough. :o
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Karla B

Quote from: deviousxen on August 04, 2007, 08:17:44 PM
That amplification of potency from Red Clover seems promising in okay amounts. I doubt I'd wanna take that at the same time as like 50 other phytos though...As for bovine ovary, I wonder what looks I'll get from the health food people at the register. They're gonna know what I'm doing soon enough. :o

So, Does it matter? Most cashiers at health food stores don't even know what the stuff is for. Most herbs have multiple uses,so it's difficult for them to tell what it's for. If I don't order mine on line, I just go to the nearest health food store, Look for what I want, go to the cash, pay for it and leave. No problem. Sometimes they ask,what are you using it for? because I know some of the other uses for these herbs, I pick one and tell them.
example: Uses for Red Clover; fights infection,suppresses appetite, purifies blood,relieves hot flashes,good for coughs,Helps inflamed lungs,good for some skin disorders and helps a weakened imune system. There are  a few more uses for red clover other the ones I had mentioned. An Excellent book to buy to help you understand the uses of herbs and other supplements is; Prescription for Nutritional Healing. The 4th Edition.
I hope this makes you feel a little better about going to buy your herbs.  ;)
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Karla B

Quote from: morticia on August 05, 2007, 01:03:51 AM
Yes this is all true.  But I usually by my stuff in quantity and several things at the same time.
Like I would order 600 capsules of Red Clover, 600 Saw Palmetto, 300 Black Cohosh, etc. all at the same time.
And I reorder the same quantities of it again in a month or two.
So they think I'm peddling the stuff (LOL!) or taking massive doses of it.
Oh well.  I'm starting to not worry about it anymore, I just buy what I want when I need it.
To hell with what they think or know what I'm doing with the stuff.



Yeah! The more someone shows that they're nervous or worried about what they're buying or they're being embarrassed about it, is a dead give away that they're trying to hide something. As long as herbs aren't illegal to buy, They shouldn't have to worry. Besides that, It doesn't matter what you buy at once, the last thing they're gonna think of is, that your buying the stuff to change your sex. ;D
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deviousxen

Very true they wouldn't specifically know that! :D

I guess my paranoia is due to the fact I get everything from that health food store... O.o


As for online...I don't exactly want my parents to see something odd one day on the pay pal bill...heheheheehhh....

There's also the bad thought of bouncing my parents account cause we're not exactly in GREAT monies these days...

I should look up black cohosh...


OH YEA! Morticia. I think I found red clovers in a field somewhere. I wonder if they can be grown just in the back yard or something...I fear pesticide though. Meh.
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missmoo

Hi,
I had my srs 2 years ago and now looking to get my breast done as 7 years of hormones have given me not much more than an A cup. My question is can any breasts surgeon perform this on a MtF transsexual. I know that there are some difference in the placement of muscles in the chest which the implant may go under. So do I have to find a surgeon who has done a breast enlargement on a transsexual before or is any experience surgeon ok?
Thank you
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deviousxen

I know everyones different to a degree, but whats usually up with dosage? The serving size on these aren't exactly for males who want breast growth. Are there any side effects that are bad if you aren't on anything except phytoestrogens? And does it actually convert testosterone into estrogen? Wouldn't phytoestrogen and estrogen compete?

And what of diet? I've heard alot about people taking these protein shakes and whatnot. I'm pretty much allergic to soy and wheat and milk...hmmm

All things I'm curious about.
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Sarah Louise

All good questions for your Doctor.


Sarah L.
Nameless here for evermore!;  Merely this, and nothing more;
Tis the wind and nothing more!;  Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore!!"
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Nigella

Quote from: Fae on August 03, 2007, 10:14:48 PM
On the lactating subject, I've recently been starting to lactate a clear liquid from my nipples, one or two drops.  My endo isn't sure what it is and nothing is coming back on my blood work, she said as long as it's clear it should be fine.



~Fae

Hi Fae, I have been away so have only just picked up this thread. I too get a clear liquid from my nipples, I have done so for a few years. Its OK and so I have been told. It is because the mamory gland is just a glorified sweat gland. If I get technical GG's can also have this as its part of milk production process. Some women take fenugreek to increase the milk flow as it has an effect on the glands production of liquid.  I am not an expert on this but just thought I'd share my own experience.

hugs and kisses

Nigella
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Fae

Quote from: Nigella on August 08, 2007, 06:10:02 AM
Quote from: Fae on August 03, 2007, 10:14:48 PM
On the lactating subject, I've recently been starting to lactate a clear liquid from my nipples, one or two drops.  My endo isn't sure what it is and nothing is coming back on my blood work, she said as long as it's clear it should be fine.



~Fae

Hi Fae, I have been away so have only just picked up this thread. I too get a clear liquid from my nipples, I have done so for a few years. Its OK and so I have been told. It is because the mamory gland is just a glorified sweat gland. If I get technical GG's can also have this as its part of milk production process. Some women take fenugreek to increase the milk flow as it has an effect on the glands production of liquid.  I am not an expert on this but just thought I'd share my own experience.

hugs and kisses

Nigella

Thanks Nigella.  I actually think it's a precursor to milk production, but I heard that MTF's can't produce milk without some kind of hormone...progesterone I think.  I'll look into it sometime.  One of my best friends said she'd be willing to let me breast feed her kids when she has them, so I was all excited about that.  Any part of motherhood I can experience is a plus.  ;D

~Fae
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deviousxen

I basically was wondering how you guys spaced your dosage with Fenugreek or Saw?

Cause I think its more the spacing than the dose if you're aiming to "reprogram" your hormones like that other site says. Or I guess you could just pump your body full of the stuff. I wonder whats more efficient or true. And No...not for my doctor. That man is a moron. No lie.

I got some "precursor" fluids as well I think. Last night. That was fast!
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Fae

Quote from: Fae on August 04, 2007, 02:08:04 PM
Quote from: Kat on August 03, 2007, 10:35:01 PM
I don't have silicone enhancers, but what I did was take some water-bra pads I found at target, and some "Thank Goodness it Fits" bras from Kohls.  The bra has a opening in the lining on the side that the water-bra pad can be stuffed into.  Adds a lot more size than using the padding normally.  I am also an AA right now and this works fine for me  :)

Of course this limits my clothing choices, but I can live with it until the itty bitties become not so itty bitty.

I just ordered a pair of enhancers from JCPenny so I hope they work well.  I like how my breasts are now, but I'd love to be able to fill my B cup bras for school.  ;D

My chest just looks too small because my stomach sticks out a little, so anything up top just doesn't look like much under a tight fitted shirt, unless it's a full B cup.  I need to start exercising...



OMG THEY CAME TODAY!!

My enhancers came in, and OMG I feel great!!  I actually have breasts with them on, and they're soo comfortable and they feel real.  They even bounce!!  Needless to say I am one happy, confident, oh-I-feel-sexy-and-desirable, woman!!!  ;D ;D

The pair I got is A/B and it enhances from one-half up to two cups depending on what you have now.  They also come in B/C.  Really not bad for $50 plus shipping and handling:

http://www3.jcpenney.com/jcp/Products.aspx?DeptID=40379&CatID=40410&CatTyp=DEP&ItemTyp=G&GrpTyp=PRD&ItemID=129384d&ProdSeq=1&Cat=accessories&Dep=Lingerie&PCat=Bras&PCatID=40381&RefPage=ProductList&Sale=&ProdCount=13&RecPtr=&ShowMenu=&TTYP=&ShopBy=0&RefPageName=CategoryAll%252Easpx&RefCatID=40381&RefDeptID=40379&Page=1&CmCatId=40379|40381|40410

~Fae
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Karla B


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OMG THEY CAME TODAY!!

My enhancers came in, and OMG I feel great!!  I actually have breasts with them on, and they're soo comfortable and they feel real.  They even bounce!!  Needless to say I am one happy, confident, oh-I-feel-sexy-and-desirable, woman!!!  ;D ;D

The pair I got is A/B and it enhances from one-half up to two cups depending on what you have now.  They also come in B/C.  Really not bad for $50 plus shipping and handling:

http://www3.jcpenney.com/jcp/Products.aspx?DeptID=40379&CatID=40410&CatTyp=DEP&ItemTyp=G&GrpTyp=PRD&ItemID=129384d&ProdSeq=1&Cat=accessories&Dep=Lingerie&PCat=Bras&PCatID=40381&RefPage=ProductList&Sale=&ProdCount=13&RecPtr=&ShowMenu=&TTYP=&ShopBy=0&RefPageName=CategoryAll%252Easpx&RefCatID=40381&RefDeptID=40379&Page=1&CmCatId=40379|40381|40410

~Fae
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That's great Fae! Just by reading your post,I can feel how happy you are. :icon_dance:
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Berliegh

Quote from: missmoo on August 06, 2007, 12:51:10 PM
Hi,
I had my srs 2 years ago and now looking to get my breast done as 7 years of hormones have given me not much more than an A cup. My question is can any breasts surgeon perform this on a MtF transsexual. I know that there are some difference in the placement of muscles in the chest which the implant may go under. So do I have to find a surgeon who has done a breast enlargement on a transsexual before or is any experience surgeon ok?
Thank you


Ditto! I have been on hormones for 7 years and can only get an A cup (who says the camera doesn't lie! just wear the right top) and I now have a breast operation lined up. I am very nervous about it and wish my boobs would grow a bit more on their own.

The surgeon I am seeing has performed breast augmentations on Transsexual's before......
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Fae

Quote from: Karla B on August 10, 2007, 02:03:51 AM

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OMG THEY CAME TODAY!!

My enhancers came in, and OMG I feel great!!  I actually have breasts with them on, and they're soo comfortable and they feel real.  They even bounce!!  Needless to say I am one happy, confident, oh-I-feel-sexy-and-desirable, woman!!!  ;D ;D

The pair I got is A/B and it enhances from one-half up to two cups depending on what you have now.  They also come in B/C.  Really not bad for $50 plus shipping and handling:

http://www3.jcpenney.com/jcp/Products.aspx?DeptID=40379&CatID=40410&CatTyp=DEP&ItemTyp=G&GrpTyp=PRD&ItemID=129384d&ProdSeq=1&Cat=accessories&Dep=Lingerie&PCat=Bras&PCatID=40381&RefPage=ProductList&Sale=&ProdCount=13&RecPtr=&ShowMenu=&TTYP=&ShopBy=0&RefPageName=CategoryAll%252Easpx&RefCatID=40381&RefDeptID=40379&Page=1&CmCatId=40379|40381|40410

~Fae

That's great Fae! Just by reading your post,I can feel how happy you are. :icon_dance:

Honestly, you have no idea  ;)

~Fae
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Fae

Quote from: Ashley Michelle on August 10, 2007, 08:07:29 PM
fae, did you get the kind that smell like vanilla? ;)


my breasts (not my vanilla ones) hurt today, and i dont know why.  its like i strained both pectoral muscles or something  :P

hahhaha...I don't think the forms smell like anything really.  Though on the subject of smells, with HRT I definitely think my body smells like vanilla and flowers.  It's really subtle but it smells really sweet and musky, not like it did before where it smelled like metal *yaks*

My breasts hurt on occasion now too.  They always did when I first started HRT.  I take it as a sign that they're growing.  ;)

~Fae
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Fae

Quote from: Ashley Michelle on August 10, 2007, 09:23:00 PM
Quote from: Fae on August 10, 2007, 09:00:14 PM
Quote from: Ashley Michelle on August 10, 2007, 08:07:29 PM
fae, did you get the kind that smell like vanilla? ;)


my breasts (not my vanilla ones) hurt today, and i dont know why.  its like i strained both pectoral muscles or something  :P

hahhaha...I don't think the forms smell like anything really.  Though on the subject of smells, with HRT I definitely think my body smells like vanilla and flowers.  It's really subtle but it smells really sweet and musky, not like it did before where it smelled like metal *yaks*

My breasts hurt on occasion now too.  They always did when I first started HRT.  I take it as a sign that they're growing.  ;)

~Fae


did you notice that some things taste really good and other things taste like ick?  i had some cantaloupe tonight and it was like medicine, it was awful.

and i have a cramp in my leg that is like twitching.  geez.

Haven't had any major problems.  Some minor leg pain but my doctor says that's because I don't exercise.  Need to do that. :D

Nothing really tastes different that I've noticed, but HRT affects everyone differently.

~Fae
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