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A really bad session with my therapist, scared and losing hope

Started by adrian, December 09, 2014, 03:04:50 PM

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adrian

Hi all,

I've had two very troubling sessions with my therapist and I just need to get some stuff off my chest and try to order my thoughts.

Just to give you some background info: My therapist isn't a specialist in gender stuff. I went to see him about 18 months ago because of fatigue and my inability to cope with that. In the process of doing therapy with him, a number of issues have come to light, one of them being my realization that I am most likely trans*. I work well with him, and I trust him as far as that's possible.

So the session two weeks ago was tough because I had a really bad dissociative episode. My therapist mentioned something and I pretty much snapped. This isn't anything directly related to my trans* identity.

Fast forward to today. I haven't been feeling well for a bit now. I'm really down, the sui thoughts are bad at the moment. I don't have a lot of hope. My therapist opens the session by saying something like we need to think about where we are going with therapy. My alarm bells go off right away because I think that he's thinking about terminating me. I go right into panic mode, which didn't really help with the conversation that ensued.

The gist of the session is this: he thinks there are issues that I need to sort out before I can even think of transitioning. I agree, not least because the dissociative episode from the session before tells me there is something I need to confront. A lot of this revolves around relationships -- with my parents, my husband. These are things that I have to work on. If I were to transition right now and something went wrong (like me and my husband breaking up), I'd probably not live to tell the tale. So while I agree with him that there are things I need to address before transitioning, I also don't know how to survive one day longer in this body and playing the role of a woman in everyday life. This is killing me, and I don't know how much longer I can live like this. I feel like my candle is burning down, and quickly.

The second issue I have with his suggestion is this: I have sensed for a while that he isn't comfortable with the gender topic. He challenges me, and that's OK because he doesn't do it in a fashion that invalidates my experience. But there is this nagging feeling I have that he doesn't believe I'm transgender. He insists on excluding other possible causes of me feeling this way at the moment (I think he thinks it could have something to do with the messed up relationship I have with my mother because of some incidents that happened right after I was born). I have hardly any memories of my childhood, so I cannot say whether I knew at that point I was "different" or not, or whether this is something that came later. Again, I think it's his job to make sure that we exclude all other possible causes for my identifying as male. So I'm not really questioning his approach. But what bothers me is that I'm not 100% certain if he will ever be "satisfied" that I really am trans*. So what if in a year he decides he cannot support me starting HRT. I would have to look for another therapist and wait another year before I can go on HRT.

I get that he's trying to protect me, but I'm not sure if we won't reach a point in the future where this is turning into a false sense of protection, where he keeps me from going for something I need because he doesn't believe that people really can be trans* or something like that. I guess what I'm worried is that he'll turn from "protector" to "gatekeeper".

All of this left me in a worse state than before session. My thoughts are a mess and I really panicked for a while. Typing this out has helped me gain a bit more clarity...

Any thoughts you have are appreciated. Please know that terminating is currently not an option. I'm not stable enough for that right now. But I guess I have to have him make some sort of commitment as to whether he is, in principle, willing to write me the HRT letter when the time has come, or whether this is something he refuses to do no matter what.

Going to try and catch some sleep now. Please don't be worried if I don't respond right away.
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FriendsCallMeChris

Sending strength.  Your therapist is very very different from mine. Can you see an additional one concurrently?  Can you recommend some of the trans* books to your therapist and suggest you'd like to talk about the info in the book? Maybe that way your therapist can find a more neutral place to discuss from. If nothing else,  you'll have more information for yourself.  Really feeling for you tonight,  Adrian. Hang in there.
Chris
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androgynouspainter26

And have you ever considered that perhaps a lot of your other issues could be stemming from repressed gender dysphoria?  it sounds to me like you ought to be seeing someone who will actually listen to what you have to say.  I second what Hanazono is saying: You don't need a therapist to tell you who you are.  Period.
My gender problem isn't half as bad as society's.  Although mine is still pretty bad.
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adrian

Thanks everyone for sending good thoughts, it means a lot to me. I'm still processing what happened and try to figure out what the way forward will look like.
Part of me is angry at my t that he dumps this on me so shortly before the Christmas break.

Quote from: FriendsCallMeChris on December 09, 2014, 07:37:32 PM
Sending strength.  Your therapist is very very different from mine. Can you see an additional one concurrently?  Can you recommend some of the trans* books to your therapist and suggest you'd like to talk about the info in the book? Maybe that way your therapist can find a more neutral place to discuss from. If nothing else,  you'll have more information for yourself.  Really feeling for you tonight,  Adrian. Hang in there.

Thanks, Chris. I have a "back-up" therapist who specializes in gender stuff, but he doesn't have a place open now or in the foreseeable future. I may be able to see him for one or two sessions though. He offered I could get in touch if things didn't work out with my current t. I think I will try to see him in January.
I gave my therapist a book, I don't think he has read it yet.
Quote from: Hanazono on December 09, 2014, 08:37:48 PM
stay calm and be adrian.

hold on.
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I hope I don't get banned for saying this, as was another member recently.
but you absolutely do not need a therapist to tell you whether or not you are male. Only you have the power of self determination.

Quote from: androgynouspainter26 on December 09, 2014, 09:23:15 PM
And have you ever considered that perhaps a lot of your other issues could be stemming from repressed gender dysphoria?  it sounds to me like you ought to be seeing someone who will actually listen to what you have to say.  I second what Hanazono is saying: You don't need a therapist to tell you who you are.  Period.
Thanks, you two.
Yes, I think that many of my issues could be the result of repressed dysphoria. And I think my therapist wants to ascertain that this is really the case by making sure that I don't suffer from some form of neurosis.

To give him some credit, I hit him with the idea that I'm trans out of the blue -- so I understand why from his perspective it could seem like some crazy thing my sick mind dreamed up when unattended [emoji12] . I haven't been able to communicate to him apparently how consistent this is with how I have felt about myself and my body for as long as I can remember.

And one problem appears to be that he doesn't seem to believe that there are trans narratives outside the "I have always known" one. This is complicated by the fact that I have literally no memories of how I felt as a child. I have hardly any memories at all. Some of the ones I have do revolve around gender, and not fitting in the girl role, but I don't remember thinking or knowing "I'm a boy".
So to some extent I understand his skepticism. I think the thing that worries me most at the moment is that I have no way of telling what it takes for him to be convinced and fully support me. This is what I need to discuss with him. And if he thinks he cannot support me, then I need to find someone else.
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androgynouspainter26

I could write a long post about something-or-other, but I won't.  Listen; if your therapist is not willing to see beyond the standard trans* narrative-leave.  Find someone else.  He's working for you, not the other way around.  This is clearly not someone who understands what it means to be transgender, and you'd be a lot better finding someone else.
My gender problem isn't half as bad as society's.  Although mine is still pretty bad.
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adrian



Quote from: androgynouspainter26 on December 10, 2014, 01:18:52 AM
I could write a long post about something-or-other, but I won't.  Listen; if your therapist is not willing to see beyond the standard trans* narrative-leave.  Find someone else.  He's working for you, not the other way around.  This is clearly not someone who understands what it means to be transgender, and you'd be a lot better finding someone else.

I'm considering that option. Finding a good therapist here is difficult, and for all my problems so far he has been perfect. This is the first bump in the road we really encounter, and I plan on discussing it with him at length.

The more I think and write about it, the more I understand that what bothers me most is that I'm not sure if he would - in principle - be willing to support me transitioning. I'm willing to work on the other issues before I make the final decision concerning HRT and transitioning, because I feel that transitioning too early too quickly will further destabilize me at this point. This is something that I see for myself and where I trust his judgment. But I need him to commit to supporting me if I decide to transition when we're done with that. I don't want to have to start over with a new therapist a year or longer from now.
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FriendsCallMeChris

I tried an online therapist. The experience wasn't ideal for me but it wasn't that bad. PM me if you want here contacts.
Chris
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FriendsCallMeChris

On memories of not thinking you were a boy, both my therapists say that people in my age group typically didn't have those thoughts.  I'm in my early 50s. Also repression for my age group is pretty common. Strange how our thinking/coping/denial patterns conform to cultural expectations of the times.  Or maybe not so strange.  Maybe it's pure survival.  If I would have insisted I was a boy in the 1960s and 1970s, where I lived, I would have been spanked for being silly and stubborn.  If that didn't work I would have been medicated at the very least. And possibly institutionalized. 

Transgender isn't something my parents could have understood. So my repression came from basic survival instincts. (I wasn't loved unconditionally. My adoptive parents just weren't capable of that. So I very much was aware that I had to not make them uncomfortable so that I would have a semi safe place to live. This may not relate to your experience at all. Just giving you a real life example of why I didn't figure out I'm trans* until now when I'm finally strong enough to not need parental approval.)
Chris
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PucksWaywardSon

I'm going through that "I have no memories of feelings as a kid" thing with my therapist too, but mine does at least have a special interest in gender therapy.

Honestly on the one hand, if you're not comfortable with where this guy is going with your therapy then it's your mind, your life on the line, and as scary and hard as it is to find a new therapist that might be the best thing for you.

OTOH if he's starting to unlock things, painful as they are... the hard work is SO worth it. I was told week 2 with mine that nobody would let me transition unless I could demonstrate "emotional maturity" - well f**k says I, I've NEVER had that. But I'm learning and growing every week. Sometimes I come out of that room bouncing and confident, sometimes I come out wondering how I'm going to get through my drama class that comes right after because I've got no energy left at all, but I seem to arrive at his door every week with a new step I've made, or a new connection I've made between emotions and memories... it's not something to do alone for sure, and there's a definite element of things getting worse in a way before they get better, but if you're able to stay strong through that storm it's one more step towards being wholly yourself.
Identifying As: Gamer Nerd, Aspiring actor, Wanderer, Shakespeare junkie. Transguy. time I lost the probably there... Hi, I'm Jamie.
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adrian

Quote from: FriendsCallMeChris on December 10, 2014, 06:46:12 AM
I tried an online therapist. The experience wasn't ideal for me but it wasn't that bad. PM me if you want here contacts.
Thanks Chris. I'll need a therapist who is allowed to write an HRT letter in Germany, I don't think an online therapist could do that here. Interesting what you write about the memories though. I'm in my late 30s, so it might play a role.

Quote from: PucksWaywardSon on December 10, 2014, 07:05:01 AM
I'm going through that "I have no memories of feelings as a kid" thing with my therapist too, but mine does at least have a special interest in gender therapy.

Honestly on the one hand, if you're not comfortable with where this guy is going with your therapy then it's your mind, your life on the line, and as scary and hard as it is to find a new therapist that might be the best thing for you.

OTOH if he's starting to unlock things, painful as they are... the hard work is SO worth it. I was told week 2 with mine that nobody would let me transition unless I could demonstrate "emotional maturity" - well f**k says I, I've NEVER had that. But I'm learning and growing every week. Sometimes I come out of that room bouncing and confident, sometimes I come out wondering how I'm going to get through my drama class that comes right after because I've got no energy left at all, but I seem to arrive at his door every week with a new step I've made, or a new connection I've made between emotions and memories... it's not something to do alone for sure, and there's a definite element of things getting worse in a way before they get better, but if you're able to stay strong through that storm it's one more step towards being wholly yourself.

I'm experiencing something similar, and I think that my t and I are on the right track generally. Working with him has brought me so much closer to the real issues than anything I tried before. So I don't want to end this therapy relationship if I can help it. But I need a perspective, an estimated time frame, and a commitment that he'll support my transition when the time has come.
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NathanielM

Could you (or maybe you already have) tell you therapist what you just wrote here? In my experience with my therapist, telling him about things he said/did or that I think he thinks has always helped me forward in some way. After that, with his answer, you can still consider another therapist. I absolutely agree that if a therapist feels wrong for you and you can't solve the problem after discussing it, best thing you can do is move on. After all if he's not helping you forward, you're not getting what you're there for probably
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adrian



Quote from: NathanielM on December 10, 2014, 09:44:45 AM
Could you (or maybe you already have) tell you therapist what you just wrote here? In my experience with my therapist, telling him about things he said/did or that I think he thinks has always helped me forward in some way. After that, with his answer, you can still consider another therapist. I absolutely agree that if a therapist feels wrong for you and you can't solve the problem after discussing it, best thing you can do is move on. After all if he's not helping you forward, you're not getting what you're there for probably

Yes, it's what I plan on doing. I'm writing up something, it really helps me to get some clarity myself (this thread helps a lot!). I will either email it to him or bring it to my next session and use it to make sure I don't forget any of my points. Communication with him normally works quite well, and it's ok to address these issues in session.
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adrian

Hi guys, just wanted to give you an update on my jumbled train of thought. The next session with my t is next week, I'm still working through what happened.

So now that I've had some time to cool off and my emotions are less raw, I started asking myself what happened in the session that made me react so severely.
My t obviously pushed some buttons that made me freak, but I'm beginning to think that the reason that happened isn't the present. This probably makes me sound like Norman Bates, but I'm pretty sure this is about my relationship to my mother and that as part of transference I'm putting my therapist in her place. So the things that I heard him say (which may or may not have been what he actually said) basically spell out all the issues I have with my mom, and which stem from a time when I was just an infant and a young child.

So with this hypothesis in mind I asked myself what the last two sessions had in common -- because both triggered a severe dissociative episode. The situations were quite different from each other, but I'm convinced that both times t touched on very "old" feelings. I can't write more about the first dissociative episode because it'll trigger me again, but what happened had to do with "caring", something that I strongly associate with a motherly role.

That said, I still need to discuss with my therapist how he positions himself concerning my trans* identity and supporting a possible transition in the future. I think I'll also ask him to switch to male pronouns and name.

I read an article which discussed the counter-transference that therapists experience when working with trans* patients. That was interesting, and it left me wondering what was going on at my therapist's end of the therapy relationship. Because clearly this isn't a one way street.

So that's where I stand now. 
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FriendsCallMeChris

That was a lot of hard thinking, Adrian.  Congrats on that! Would love to see the article.  Can you post a link?  (Or is it in German?  Then could you summarize please?)

Chris
Chris
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adrian

Thanks ;)
Yeah, it's in German, but I could summarize the bit about the counter-transference later.
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adrian

OK, so I was initially looking for something that would give me information on how therapists diagnose transgender patients to better understand what is happening in my therapy. I ended up finding a German conference paper by Sophinette Becker titled ,,Transsexualität – Geschlechtsidentitätsstörung" (transsexuality – gender identity disorder (published in 2004). As you can already see from the title, the terminology and some of the concepts/ideas are outdated. Some of it made me cringe a little, but yeah, it's ten years old. Anyway, it has a short chapter on counter-transference and like I said that was interesting to read. I know, in theory, that counter transference exists, but somehow I never thought of the fact that it could actually also be affecting my therapist. I mean, I don't know it does, but it could be. One or two things he has said recently make me wonder in hindsight.
Anyway.
The article says that doing therapy with a trans* person can be a particular challenge for therapists. It may be very difficult for them to remain neutral throughout a trans* person's exploration of their gender identity and the process of coming to a conclusion concerning transitioning etc. For example, they have to position themselves by choosing to address someone with male or female / correct or incorrect name and pronouns.
Becker states how working with trans* clients requires therapists to deal with strong emotions and affects on their side, and requires them to be adept in dealing with counter transference. Some of the emotions that therapists experience, often in fast succession, are:

  • feeling powerless and devalued
  • feeling manipulated
  • feelings of omnipotence ("I can heal the patient / redeem them by providing therapy or giving them access to surgery")
  • the wish to reach complete consensus with clients so there are no conflicts (only grateful, idealizing clients); wish to symbiotically feel the "transsexual wish"
  • distancing, hatred, sadism, invalidation (denying empathy with the transsexual wish)
  • feeling paralyzed and helpless
  • activism to show affirmation (,,I do whatever the client wants")
  • fear, e.g. fear of castration or destruction
  • feeling pressured by the client (e.g. because a client threatens suicide)
  • confusion – because clients are perceived sometimes as their assigned, sometimes as their target gender; but also because working with trans* clients touches on the therapist's own history of developing their gender identity, with all its scars and ruptures

A therapist working with trans* clients can never remain ,,innocent". If they deny the ,,transsexual wish", they abandon the client thereby driving them to suicide, rash decisions pro surgery, among other things. But if therapists support trans* clients in their wish to medically transition, they are ,,guilty" of participating in the (perceived) ,,mutilation" of their clients, in their taking irreversible steps and decisions.

The article concludes by stating that it is crucial that therapists are aware of their intricate involvement when working with trans* clients, and that they are prepared to feel and cope with all those emotions.

So I'm not quite sure how "state of the art" any of this is, but as I said -- to me it provided an interesting perspective on the relationship with my therapist. I sometimes forget that there's a human being at the other end, and that the therapy relationship is _not_ a one way street.
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FriendsCallMeChris

Interesting article. Thanks, Adrian for the summary!


Chris
Chris
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adrian

So, tomorrow I'll have that talk with my t. Right now I want to walk out of his door tomorrow and never come back, but that's not a very grown-up thing to do.

I think the really interesting question is, what is it that I'm running away from.

Sigh. I'll let you know how it went.
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