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Started by Autrement, September 10, 2018, 10:51:58 AM

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Autrement

SaraDanielle,

Many thanks for your comments and experience.
A lot is similar to mine.

Hugs.

Pascale
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Russngrl

WOW, I'm so glad I found this thread.  You ladies are trying to do the same thing that I am!  I am 67 strongly m2f in a 30 year marriage that I'm trying to save.  I told my wife that I'm trans before we married and I've always behaved in a feminine manner.   Started transition 35 years ago when I had my face done but then shame and fear took over - and I stopped it all!

Since then, with my clear face, I coped by social interactions in public (almost 100%) passable.  Even went to some singles dances.  Very lucky I could do so without hormones.   Until 18 months ago when the dam broke!

I started touchup electrolysis, low dose estrogen 9 months ago, and I do volunteer work.   Pretty much 100% passable by now.

No plans to transition though I ache to do so.  Transition would be no marriage.  She helped me get over my shame, encouraged me to volunteer, and other things, but she can't see me become a woman.

We are working togethet with our therapist to make this work, BUT I don't know if I can keep it up without going insane.  And I needed to stop estrogen ladt weekend, maybe forever, for medical reasons.

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Chloe

Quote from: Autrement on September 10, 2018, 10:51:58 AM
. . . a loving wife who accepts me as a TG, she also accepts my HRT, but she can not stand to see me dressed as a woman when she is around . . . Is it doable for a long time?

       Pascale I call it "living the dream" rather than "walking the walk" how could anybody who's not time invested in "spouse & family" possibly understand? Having been on/off then on HRT again for almost the last 40 yrs have long ago left "gender dressing" behind and have concentrated on overall feminine presentation instead. Spouse knew of my "trans issues" when we met and married at 30 and now that our 2 children, a girl and boy, are of age we are sharing grandbabies as well (even though divorced in 2010) . . . and guess who's their favorite?
     
       3yr old is going as Elsa (from Frozen) this Halloween and asked me if I'd be Anna . . . lol told her I cannot for same reason can't take her potty in the girls bathroom. People usually dressed like boys *not allowed*! Daughter-in-law's entire extended family knows I'm transgender yet am accepted, her grandmother advises "should have (FFS) if I truly want to be a girl".

Time to do "pre-school" pickup - Hakuna Matada!
"But it's no use now," thought poor Alice, "to pretend be two people!
"Why, there's hardly enough of me left to make one respectable person!"
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Karen

Thank you for this post.    I am in a similar situation...30 year marriage, kids and career with a large impact.   

In my case, my dysphoria came on very very strong a year ago with several periods wishing I was no longer for this world.  When high dysphoria - physical and social, come together with profound levels of fear and sadness toward those you are impacting, things become unbearable.  It is a pleasure cooker and you feel like it could explode anytime. 

I am in a much better place rather than separate male and separate female life, I continue to integrate mild transition into my life.  I used weight loss and health as the overarching story, but I now live everyday with some clothing, makeup, manners that help me feel aligned.   This and HRT - AA have helped, especially for the first 2 months on HRT.   I am much clearer and calmer in my mind than I have been in years, if not for ever. 

That said, my dysphoria and sadness returned with aggression over the last 3 weeks, when I openly shared with my wife's and therapist what my dysphoria is like (ie how I hide and dislike "it") and what my female image and desire is.   I have since shared these specifics with my closest friends.   This triggered a terrible level of dysphoria and sadness....while the HRT was working, I had also been suppressing my fear, sadness and gender feelings.   When I shared them verbally, I unleashed them again and pushed me to the next level of transition.  We will now tell our kids about gender dysphoria, so they know and can travel with it.   And I have purged more male casual clothes and integrated female clothes more into my life.  And I will likely start E.

I know this is not what you want to hear.   I may partially transition but don't know yet.  I think we need to help each other in terms of how to cope and still feel like we have a full and happy life.    I am about to return to meditation and breathing, which helps.   But I am not sure what to do when the pressure cooker goes into overdrive. 

Asking for help and inspiration.  Thank you for starting this thread.

Big hug

Karen
Karen

* felt different like I did not fit, with strong feminine feelings and gender questions my entire life
* Sept 2016 - January 2017 real began to seriously question and research gender
* August 2017 friend explains transgender and gender vs sexual orientation, and immediately felt shock and begin to believe I maybe transgender
* March 2018 after 3 therapists, accepts I am transgender and am transitioning
* July 18, 2018 began HRT
* Feb 4, 2019 began Estrogen
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Northern Star Girl

I have carefully read over the post replies here and the good news is that we are here where we will find like-minded transitioners that have many of the very same issues and situations that we all  have to some extent....   wife, family, loved ones, home, kids, clubs and activities, employment, etc....   no one can kid us to thinking that this is easy....., transition and eventually coming out full time if that is in our plans, is a very difficult gauntlet to get through and still maintain all the things that we have spent a lot of time and energy to accomplish.   

The beauty of the Forums here is that we will find lots of others that as we can share concerns, questions and ideas with regarding all of these difficulties and finding out what others have done and how to go forward to positive results and if desired to our final transition goal that we ourselves can only define.  I personally have found support and encouragement for all of the threads on the forums including this on.

Keep talking everyone, the more that we share, the more that we will benefit from each other's personal stories.

I will be eagerly following this thread to glean more things that are helpful to me and also to determine if I can offer any constructive comments myself.

Hugs and hugs,
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Autrement

Thanks to all of you for sharing your experiences, what you succeeded to achieve and also your difficulties and questions. It is so helpful to know that we are not alone to struggle with conflicting desires, particularly the desire to keep a marriage together and the desire to let our female self express itself.

Quote from: Alaskan Danielle on October 05, 2018, 12:28:57 PM
how to go forward to positive results and if desired to our final transition goal that we ourselves can only define.

Yes, Danielle, I fully agree that only us can define our transition goal. I admire how you courageously decided your transition and started a new life in spite of your family and friends not accepting well, as you explained it in your threads and posts. I like how positive you are, it is really inspiring.

But each of us is in specific situation. I founded a family with a wife and 4 children, they rely on me for their lives. Therefore defining a transition goal is not easy at all for me, I have no clue what my final goal will be. For the time being, I am trying to avoid a full transition, because I believe it would harm my wife and my children. I feel I have a responsibility towards them, and if I am happy enough without fully transitioning, why would I impose it to them? But to what extend will it be doable to avoid it? For sure, there will be a limit and if I feel too frustrated, I guess I will have to do something about it. What is the right price to pay for me, and for the others around me? I admit I do not know yet and I shall see how thing evolve in the future.

Hugs.

Pascale
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Karen

Hi.   Everyone's journey is so personal. 

My diagnosis was "severe dysphoria"....I still can't believe how I supressed it for so long.

In my periods of heavy dysphoria and anxiety, I feel like I am going to explode.  I have chosen to make permanent changes to cope.   HRT has helped, but these feelings and waves persist. 

I had several periods of suicidal thoughts and plans, and with the goal to leave this earth without my kids ever knowing.  And only remembering me in the most positive way.  Through lots of love and very special people of Susan's Place, I think I have moved past these feelings and plans.   It has forced me once again to realize the strength of my dysphoria and face the fear.

My wife and I are planning to tell our children about my gender dysphoria near Christmas.  Not that I am officially transition, but what is happening.   From a love and integrity perspective, I feel strongly that they deserve to know and travel on this journey with my wife and I.  We also have our 6 closet friends and extended family who have been traveling with us on their journey for about 6 months.   It has been incredible for my wife and I to have their love and support.   It has done so much to help us see that the bottom of our lives is not going to fall out if I have to or choose to go all the way.   When we transition everyone in our lives have to transition. 

For work, I suspect I will choose to tell a few people at work at some point in the next year.  I work in an LGBTQ...supportive organization, however my situation has a bunch of uniqueness attached to it that I wont get into.   From an understanding and integrity perspective they will deserve to know at some point. 

This day by day and slowly bringing in and along loving and trusting people in this journey has helped my wife and I so much.  And it has helped them learn, adjust and support.  I don't know if I would be alive now if we did not have these people at our side.   

Just further perspective on my journey.  Each of know our own individual environment and needs, and we need to feel and find our way.   I just hope by sharing we can learn from each other, and continue to feel normal and supported in this safe space.

Lots of love

Karen
Karen

* felt different like I did not fit, with strong feminine feelings and gender questions my entire life
* Sept 2016 - January 2017 real began to seriously question and research gender
* August 2017 friend explains transgender and gender vs sexual orientation, and immediately felt shock and begin to believe I maybe transgender
* March 2018 after 3 therapists, accepts I am transgender and am transitioning
* July 18, 2018 began HRT
* Feb 4, 2019 began Estrogen
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Autrement

Dear Karen,

Thanks for sharing all this to us.

I also wonder how I could have denied my dysphoria until I was 50! I guess I used many strategies, for example to think about other things (family, career, volunteering) and this is not so bad to some extent - but probably also I escaped from really living my life and paid some heavy price with hidden frustrations.

It is so good to be out to friends who understand and accept. I am thinking of 2 of them who are so kind and sincerely loving, they really are helping me regain my self esteem. With my wife, we also plan to be out to a good group of friends we shall meet next week, I look forward to talking with them: I hope this will help my wife feel less lonely with the problem of my dysphoria, as she could not share it with any friend yet.

For the same reasons as you did, I told 3 of my children who are over 20 year old. It was good for me to tell them the truth about this important part of myself. They were moved by the confidence, they accepted me well and expressed compassion. But afterwards, they admitted in the following months that they had difficulties to cope with the news. It is like something is destroyed is what they believed I was, and it is complicated to cope with this new image of their father. Even if we still love each other very much.

I am also thinking about telling my boss, who leads the company where I work, as we are friends and the company is very inclusive as part of its core values.

Hugs.

Pascale
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Karen

@Autrement

Thanks for sharing back. 

I worry about the same impact on my kids.  The are incredible humans and I think they will be very compassionate and understanding, however it worry it will trigger a fear of loss.  I have changed a lot in the last year, and I know they see it.  They are so loving and accepting that they have never commented on my clothes (androgynous looking but female) or make up.  Total acceptance and love.   That said, once its official, I worry about hurting them.  Like you my feeling is they deserve to know and be able to travel on this journey. 

Our friends have been very helpful for my wife.  One of they has a psychology background and have been very helpful to her and other close friends.   My opening up to them was very emotional for me...feelings of fear of loss, feelings of sadness for impacting them, and feelings of living a lie all impacted me.  It was big, but very helpful as they now have had 6 months to learn, understand and support. 

Good luck with your boss.  It is hard to know what the right thing to do is.  One the one hand, people don't deal well with grey, and are much better at seeing and understand absolutes.  On the other hand, we need to live in integrity and often the most supportive people need time to process, learn and understand.  Good luck.  I look forward to learning from you. 

Thanks for sharing.  It is clear that this is a journey to find a place of comfort, and not a choice.

Please take care.

Karen
Karen

* felt different like I did not fit, with strong feminine feelings and gender questions my entire life
* Sept 2016 - January 2017 real began to seriously question and research gender
* August 2017 friend explains transgender and gender vs sexual orientation, and immediately felt shock and begin to believe I maybe transgender
* March 2018 after 3 therapists, accepts I am transgender and am transitioning
* July 18, 2018 began HRT
* Feb 4, 2019 began Estrogen
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Autrement

I came out to my boss a few days ago. He is a good friend of mine and owns the company where I work. As I expected, he listened to me very friendly, with a lot of compassion and surprise. He told me that during several days he kept thinking of my situation, as he was far from suspecting such a thing. He would have no problem to keep working with me exactly as we do today, if I decided to transition some day. But he is very concerned and compassionate about my dilemma. He knows my wife and understands how much I love her, how much we both love each other. And she certainly has the right to not accept my transition, I cannot just impose it to her...

A similar discussion also happened very recently, as I came out to 10 friends of a christian group we belong to with my wife. She and me explained our situation, and they were moved very much by our dilemma, understanding and compassionate, really concerned by the lack of solution...

At least my wife and I fell less alone with all these friends knowing, and this really helps. I hope it will bring some serenity as we continue down the road.

And by the way, I proposed my boss to hire a trans woman who already fully transitioned, a friend of mine with good IT skills, as we need such skills. This a good chance this could happen, and I am obviously very happy about it...

Pascale
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Kirsteneklund7

Quote from: Autrement on October 20, 2018, 04:08:42 AM
I came out to my boss a few days ago. He is a good friend of mine and owns the company where I work. As I expected, he listened to me very friendly, with a lot of compassion and surprise. He told me that during several days he kept thinking of my situation, as he was far from suspecting such a thing. He would have no problem to keep working with me exactly as we do today, if I decided to transition some day. But he is very concerned and compassionate about my dilemma. He knows my wife and understands how much I love her, how much we both love each other. And she certainly has the right to not accept my transition, I cannot just impose it to her...

A similar discussion also happened very recently, as I came out to 10 friends of a christian group we belong to with my wife. She and me explained our situation, and they were moved very much by our dilemma, understanding and compassionate, really concerned by the lack of solution...

At least my wife and I fell less alone with all these friends knowing, and this really helps. I hope it will bring some serenity as we continue down the road.

And by the way, I proposed my boss to hire a trans woman who already fully transitioned, a friend of mine with good IT skills, as we need such skills. This a good chance this could happen, and I am obviously very happy about it...

Pascale
Hi Pascale,
                    Very interesting post . I would love to hear how a trans employee & your feminine expression works out. I work in a blokey /roughneck environment & workmates know I often dress as a woman. I know one must use respect and discretion when dealing with the transgender issue. People seem to need reassurance & guidance with a good mate who also has a feminine side.

Please keep putting it out there,

Kirsten[emoji1652]

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Karen

Wow.   I can relate so much to the fears and desire to not hurt family, my spouse or hurt my career.   Each of us have to find our way through this maze.   

This week I came out to 3 more people, 2 people in the professional community and a friend.  Next is my teen age children at Christmas.   And then I think I need to tell my bosses.   

While I consider myself partial transition, the reality is I am transitioning but with not firm end point.  The step by step and day by day approach allows my wife or I to not get too overwhelmed.  But the reality is I am transitioning.  I just don't know how far. 

Like has been said, if I went backwards or did not take small steps, I would go insane.  I am not sure I would make it.

I feel for all of us.

Karen
Karen

* felt different like I did not fit, with strong feminine feelings and gender questions my entire life
* Sept 2016 - January 2017 real began to seriously question and research gender
* August 2017 friend explains transgender and gender vs sexual orientation, and immediately felt shock and begin to believe I maybe transgender
* March 2018 after 3 therapists, accepts I am transgender and am transitioning
* July 18, 2018 began HRT
* Feb 4, 2019 began Estrogen
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Autrement

Thanks Kirsten and Karen.
I also feel the need to move forward step by step, and I cannot imagine going backwards.

I do not have andro presentation, usually present as a male unambiguously (although on HRT since 3 years) but I like spending time fully dressed as a woman with friends who are aware and accept. Or spending a full day as a woman in a monastery, I do that sometimes.

Hugs.

Pascale
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KatieP

I was about to type, "How did I miss this thread?" But in fact, I know. Susan's is SOOO big, and I feel like I already spend too much time here...  ;D

Pascale and Karen, I am in exactly your boat regarding a long term marriage and a sort of supportive wife. 38 years married, two kids (30 and 33), and started VERY slowly transitioning 30 years ago, but never in front of my wife. Most of our friends "know" but I don't dress female with them either. Making things somewhat non-standard, I am pretty much completely out at work. (I say "Pretty much" because I didn't start here 24 years ago as "Kate" and there may be some who haven't figured it out yet.) So, at work, full time. At home, No Time. Geesh. Could I have done this any more backwards?

And to paraphrase Tony Stark: This is not even close to the weirdest thing about me...  ;D

Anyway, I hope y'all continue to share your thoughts and experiences in this area. I would very much appreciate seeing and learning from you...

Thank you,
Kate
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mm

KatieP, that is the complete opposite of how most people transition with work being the last place not the first.  How do you handle dressing for work if you living as a guy completely at home?  My worst time of my life was when I was going back and forth, never know how I appeared as to anyone really.
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KatieP

Quote from: mm on March 28, 2019, 10:34:40 AM
KatieP, that is the complete opposite of how most people transition with work being the last place not the first.  How do you handle dressing for work if you living as a guy completely at home?  My worst time of my life was when I was going back and forth, never know how I appeared as to anyone really.

Oh, MM, you have NO idea!! Virtually everything I have done in "transition" has been completely backwards. I am literally the model of how NOT to transition!

;D

And, I don't think I would have done so at work were it not for two things:
-- I work at customer sites, and when not at customers, I work out of my house.
-- My company is exceptionally supportive about non-standard employees.


So, I don't have to get dressed every day, in front of my wife, and go into the office. Typically, I fly early, so I get up before her to get dressed and travel. Then at the customer site, they only know "Kate" so there are no issues and no going back and forth. The more visible permanent things, such as the (overly) plucked eyebrows and pierced ears caused issues when they happened, but sort of acceptance eventually came, and they too became "normal." The minor issue working at home is my voice. Of course all my calls are as "Kate" and that voice does not sound like what she wants to hear.

When I work at home, I mostly sit around in my jammies, so I never use the video options...  ;D

I love my wife, and although I say I would do anything to keep her, clearly that is a lie since literally every year I have done something significant. But I am absolutely willing to be inconvenienced and to sacrifice to try to have it all.

What did you do during that time in your life? How did you get through it? Any hints, tips, or tricks to share?

Kate
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mm

Yours is a special case for sure.  You must pass well to be able to travel and be accepted by your clients as a woman. I think we do whatever is necessary to be able to live our and still interact with those we love so much.
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KatieP

Quote from: mm on March 29, 2019, 08:59:10 AM
Yours is a special case for sure.  You must pass well to be able to travel and be accepted by your clients as a woman. I think we do whatever is necessary to be able to live our and still interact with those we love so much.

;D

You can see my picture. I don't pass well. But happily/surprisingly, it has never actually mattered. Perhaps it is just the culture today. But, as a consultant, I prefer to think my customers care more about what I say than how I am dressed.

;D

It does help that all my "documentation" says, "Kate,' has an "F," and has a picture very similar to my avatar here. I have never been pushed, but I have thought I would just dare them to prove it, if they thought I was anything other than an old, homely, woman...

;D

Kate
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Jessica311

Wow this thread is like looking into a crystal ball for me and scary. I am only 9-10 months HRT but also married 30 years. My wife I would say puts up with it but does not accept it but is adament we will not split. My kids don't know and I am living in male mode. I thought just taking hormones would be enough for me but as the changes take effect I definately want more. My wife can't even take my hair getting longer and said absolutely no negotiation when I mentioned trachial shave. I don't CD to a large extent just very subtly that she really doesn't notice. Starting HRT has literally saved my life and my original intention was the same as most in this thread but I guess HRT affects us all in different ways and I do need to push the envelope farther but think I might be able to hold back from full out full time if we were to stay married but I definately need more flexibility.
Jess
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F_P_M

My husband claims he's okay with it, but honestly there are lines over which I fear to step.
He didn't sign up for a same sex marriage, and he's taking it remarkably well all things considered but at the same time I get the distinct impression from small things he's said that he'd vastly prefer I presented as male but didn't fully transition medically.
He'd prefer I remained to a degree androgynous.

Maybe that's easier for him.

But it's difficult because there's your love for this person and your fear of losing them in conflict with this need to be comfortable in your own skin.

I suppose they say marriage is all about compromise, but the real knack is figuring out a compromise you're both happy enough with. Because if you're suffering for their benefit or vice versa, it's not really compromise is it?

I keep thinking how would I take it were roles reversed and honestly, my priority would be my beloved's safety. But then again, I AM pansexual and monosexuality confuses the heck outta me (as in, this idea that genitals or gender presentation would in any way stop you loving a person.) I accept that's how a lot of people are, but I still find it bewildering because it's not how my brain is wired up.

But it IS a big deal and it IS a big change.

We were walking down the highstreet yesterday and right now i'm pre T, just dressing full time in a more masculine manner which for a women isn't really that wierd these days, and husband put his arm around me and kissed my head as he often does and i was struck with a sad realisation. If I do present as more masculine, those tiny gesture of affection suddenly becomes potentially dangerous and that's heartbreaking.
Will he stop sliding an arm around my waist? Will he stop kissing my head?
Will he no longer feel comfortable doing so in public?

will the reality of me being more masculine be too much despite his claims of bisexuality and tolerance?

Because ultimately, it's very easy to SAY you'd be okay with something, quite another to actually live it.

I mean I LOVE the idea of growing a beard but I think that somehow threatens my husband's masculinity.
I've noticed since I came out he's begun to grow his facial hair out and proudly declared he'd grown more chest hair lol. Oh fragile masculity.

I mean i said to him "darling, no matter how hairy I get, you have one thing over me. You'll always have the bigger dick"
I think that appeased him a bit lol.

I admit though, i'm finding it harder and harder to present as feminine. I can get away with it sure, but it disappoints me at the same time because I have some really quite lovely female clothing I just feel SO awkward wearing now.
And I know that's stupid because omg man, clothing isn't gendered, cut it out.

It is difficult with a partner though, I got to bed wanting to excitedly talk about plans, transition, hrt and surgeries etc but my eagerness is too much and husband recoils. It's too much too fast, he panics. I see it in his eyes.
And then I feel like I shouldn't mention it.

it sucks.

I'm trying to be understanding, trying to take it slow, trying to be considerate but it's SO HARD.

Oh ladies, it's so so hard.
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