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Pema

@KathyLauren, I'd love to know more about how you got into astrophotography. If you've already written about it here, please feel free to point me to an existing post(s). And no rush; I have plenty of time (or so I believe).

Thank you.
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KathyLauren

Quote from: Pema on February 16, 2026, 06:54:04 PM@KathyLauren, I'd love to know more about how you got into astrophotography. If you've already written about it here, please feel free to point me to an existing post(s). And no rush; I have plenty of time (or so I believe).

Thank you.

I have always been interested in astronomy, since I was knee-high to a grasshopper.  I have heard an audio tape of me, at age 4 or thereabouts (yes they had audio tape way back then), talking about the Sun and planets.  However, as I learned more about astronomy, the one thing that stood out is that you can't really see the good stuff just by looking through a telescope.  I knew that I needed to do astrophotography to see the really interesting objects.

I didn't really act on that until, in my 50s, I was living in a truly dark place, an island off the west coast of BC.  There was a tiny bit of light pollution from Vancouver, 100 km or so away, but not much else.  And I had just received an inheritance, so I could afford some decent equipment.

Pretty soon, I was out in the yard every clear night, freezing my butt off and taking pictures.  Digital photography had revolutionized astrophotography, and it was possible for an amateur to get really good pictures.

When we moved to Nova Scotia (because my wife was born here and Nova Scotians are like salmon: they have to return to their place of birth), I insisted that we move to somewhere with dark skies, and that I would build an observatory.  We have moved twice since then, still within NS, and each time, i had the observatory picked up and moved to the new location.

As I got more proficient, I upgraded my equipment.  So, instead of a DSLR, I now use a dedicated astronomy camera, with filters for the primary colours and for some common chemical elements that are found in nebulae.  There is no shortage of interesting targets out there.  I have tried more and more challenging targets.  The dimmest target I have imaged to date took about 24 hours of exposure time.
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Quote from: KathyLauren on February 17, 2026, 12:01:15 PMI have always been interested in astronomy, since I was knee-high to a grasshopper.  I have heard an audio tape of me, at age 4 or thereabouts (yes they had audio tape way back then), talking about the Sun and planets.  However, as I learned more about astronomy, the one thing that stood out is that you can't really see the good stuff just by looking through a telescope.  I knew that I needed to do astrophotography to see the really interesting objects.

I didn't really act on that until, in my 50s, I was living in a truly dark place, an island off the west coast of BC.  There was a tiny bit of light pollution from Vancouver, 100 km or so away, but not much else.  And I had just received an inheritance, so I could afford some decent equipment.

Pretty soon, I was out in the yard every clear night, freezing my butt off and taking pictures.  Digital photography had revolutionized astrophotography, and it was possible for an amateur to get really good pictures.

When we moved to Nova Scotia (because my wife was born here and Nova Scotians are like salmon: they have to return to their place of birth), I insisted that we move to somewhere with dark skies, and that I would build an observatory.  We have moved twice since then, still within NS, and each time, i had the observatory picked up and moved to the new location.

As I got more proficient, I upgraded my equipment.  So, instead of a DSLR, I now use a dedicated astronomy camera, with filters for the primary colours and for some common chemical elements that are found in nebulae.  There is no shortage of interesting targets out there.  I have tried more and more challenging targets.  The dimmest target I have imaged to date took about 24 hours of exposure time.
You should share some pics on the photography section, I would love to see some of your images.

I am fascinated by Astrophotography and have had a keen interest in the cosmos and all things beyond our planet for most of my life. As someone who loves photography it is something I would like to try as I have gear that would be capable, trouble is I'm a big wuss and am scared of the dark! There's no way I'm going out there on my own! I probably need to find a local group but I'm not really much of a joiner! one day though.
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Pema

Wow, Kathy. I could ask you questions about this every day. I'll do my best to pace myself.

I live in western Washington State and have been to Vancouver island many times. Victoria is lovely, but the more remote parts of the island to the north are spectacular. Whereabouts did you live?

What telescope(s) do you have? How big is your observatory? Dome and all?

Do you have a gallery somewhere? Do you have photos of your gear and observatory?

Are you mostly a nebula girl or do you do planets and galaxies, too?

OK, I'll stop (for now).

Thank you for sharing this!
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KathyLauren

Quote from: Pema on February 17, 2026, 04:23:08 PMWhereabouts did you live?
We lived on Denman Island, one of the northern Gulf Islands, near Courtenay.  I think there was one streetlight on the whole island.

Quote from: Pema on February 17, 2026, 04:23:08 PMWhat telescope(s) do you have?
I have a 90mm Mak, a 200mm SCT, and a 280mm SCT.  My main imaging scope is a 200mm f/4 Newtonian.

Quote from: Pema on February 17, 2026, 04:23:08 PMHow big is your observatory? Dome and all?
The building is 10' x 10'.  It has an 8' dome on top.

Quote from: Pema on February 17, 2026, 04:23:08 PMDo you have a gallery somewhere?
The best gallery of my images is on Astrobin, at: https://www.astrobin.com/users/KathyNS/ 🔗

Quote from: Pema on February 17, 2026, 04:23:08 PMDo you have photos of your gear and observatory?
Here is one of the observatory:


Quote from: Pema on February 17, 2026, 04:23:08 PMAre you mostly a nebula girl or do you do planets and galaxies, too?
Nebulae, galaxies and star clusters, mostly.  Sometimes a comet or eclipse if one comes along.  I don't do planets very much because they need different equipment and software.  It's hardly worth the effort, since there are only seven of them.  Eight if you include the Moon.
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Lori Dee

Wow, Kathy!

Those are great photos. Thanks for sharing!
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Oh, my goodness, Kathy. Your gallery is going to keep me busy for quite a while. What an amazing collection. I was pleased to see my old friend M15 there, but I also love the nebulae, galaxies, open clusters... They're all fantastic.

And your observatory... Again, just wow. You're living one of my fantasies. If only I could operate several concurrent lives.

How much time do you spend processing the photos? I see that you're using NINA, and I love that free, open-source software exists for everyone. What a great thing to devote one's time to.

Do you have a wish list of targets?

Thank you!
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KathyLauren

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Quote from: Pema on February 17, 2026, 08:15:59 PMHow much time do you spend processing the photos?
Do you have a wish list of targets?

My latest photo, which I finished last night / this morning, took about two hours to process.  *This time!*

The first time I processed it, with about 2 hours of exposure time, I realized that I needed a whole lot more time on it.  The second time, with about 4 hours of exposure time, I realized that I needed still more.  This time, with nearly 10 hours, I thought, "That's more like it".  Each time, the processing took about two hours.  And that trial-and-error is part of the process.  So really, it was more like six hours of processing.

I do have a wish list.  Somewhere.  However, during long periods of cloudy nights, such as this winter, my "next" target may have moved out of range.  So mostly, I monitor what other people are photographing and shoot whichever of those targets appeals to me.  That is a great way to learn about new targets.  This one is a perfect example of that.  It is one I had never heard of before.

I also wrote an app that can display on a map of the night sky all the objects of a particular type.  (At least all that I have in my database.)  I can see at a glance from the map which ones are favourably placed.  I use that quite a bit for target selection.

This image is Sharpless 2 - 184, an emission nebula.  The palette is HSO-RGB, meaning that the nebula is displayed using mostly hydrogen light in the red channel, sulfur light in the green channel, and oxygen light in the blue channel.  The stars are in RGB, or natural, colour.

🔗 [Link: astrob.in/88gkk6/0/]

Quote from: Pema on February 17, 2026, 08:15:59 PMI was pleased to see my old friend M15 there
If you like my globular cluster images, my best is from June 2018, of M-13.  It is probably my best image ever.  It has won several imaging contests, and has been reproduced in two of the best-know amateur astronomy books: The Backyard Astronomer's Guide and NightWatch.
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Lori Dee

Quote from: KathyLauren on February 18, 2026, 12:37:16 PMI also wrote an app that can display on a map of the night sky all the objects of a particular type.  (At least all that I have in my database.)  I can see at a glance from the map which ones are favourably placed.  I use that quite a bit for target selection.

@Jessica_Rose has an app or two that identify objects in the sky that I thought were pretty cool. Just point your phone at it, and it shows you what it is and the neighboring objects.

She can tell you more about that and their capabilities.
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The "sky" iPhone Apps that I use are:
                      Star Chart   and    Sky Guide

As  @Lori Dee  mentioned, just point your phone in the sky, move it around and you
get up to date information and pictures of what you are seeing on your phone screen.

Certainly a wonderful tool for amateur astronomers and sky watchers.  The super bright
skies here where I live, with ZERO light pollution are absolutely stunning....
and add the bight and brilliant (and where I am near the Arctic Circle ) the
almost overhead displays of the Aurora Borealis can be so brilliant and colorful,


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Pema

This is so great, Kathy. Thank you.

When you do those super-long exposures, are you there the entire time, or can you leave it unattended? Will your dome close on its own?

And when you do very long exposures, do you have to span multiple nights? If so, is the targeting precise enough to align things, or does the processing software take care of that?

I warned you I'd have questions.

What do you do about satellites? Does the software subtract those? I'd think it would have to.

That's a beautiful Sh2-184. Who doesn't love an HII region? 10 hours, wow!

Can you do infrared, or is there just too much ambient? Near IR?

I do love globular clusters (and dense stellar systems in general). Your M13 is truly spectacular. So incredibly crisp, so many individual stars distinguishable, the range of spectral types discernible... Gorgeous. I'm just very fond of the core-collapsed globulars.

Do you know what made that M13 image turn out so well? Super-clear night?

OK, last question for now...
Is the software able to correct for atmospheric effects? I've been shocked by the advancements in active optics (another thing entirely, I know) and software capabilities that have enabled ground-based observations I would never have imagined possible back in grad school in the 90's.

Thank you for indulging me. This is wonderful.
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Quote from: Pema on February 18, 2026, 05:05:27 PMWhen you do those super-long exposures, are you there the entire time, or can you leave it unattended?

If things go well, I am not there for any of the time.  The observatory is set up for remote operation.  I do all the targeting setup from my home office.  I click the GO button, then I go to bed.  In the morning, hopefully I wake up with a pile of image files to process.

Quote from: Pema on February 18, 2026, 05:05:27 PMWill your dome close on its own?

Yes.  That is an extremely important part of the observatory systems.  The dome has its own controller.  At the end of an imaging run, the imaging software will tell the dome controller to close the dome.  The dome controller can also close the dome on its own initiative if it detects rain, if there is a power failure (it has battery backup), or if it doesn't hear anything from the imaging software for a minute.

Quote from: Pema on February 18, 2026, 05:05:27 PMAnd when you do very long exposures, do you have to span multiple nights?

Yes.  My longest total exposure time on one target was 22 hours.  Obviously that can't be done on one night.  In fact, each exposure in the Sh2-284 image was 5 minutes or less.  You don't want long exposures because if something goes wrong, you want to be able to throw away one or two without affecting the total time very much.  This image was made from 143 images taken over four nights.

Quote from: Pema on February 18, 2026, 05:05:27 PMIf so, is the targeting precise enough to align things, or does the processing software take care of that?

Yes, the software re-aligns the telescope for each night.  The telescope mount can get to a target within a few arc minutes.  However, even the most accurate mount can't centre the target accurately enough for photography.  The software compensates by a technique called "plate solving".  The software takes a picture, scans it to find the patterns of stars, and then looks for those patterns in a database.  It calculates where the scope is actually pointing and then computes what adjustment is needed to centre the target.  With two or three iterations of that process, it can re-centre the target within 50 pixels, which is next to nothing. 

The processing software adjusts for those few remaining pixels of error, and crops off any resulting ragged edges.

Quote from: Pema on February 18, 2026, 05:05:27 PMWhat do you do about satellites?

The fact that I take multiple short exposures allows the software to remove satellite trails.

Quote from: Pema on February 18, 2026, 05:05:27 PMCan you do infrared, or is there just too much ambient?

I don't do IR myself.  The closest I get is Hydrogen-alpha, which is very deep red.  It is close enough to infrared that consumer cameras have to have their IR filters removed to capture it, but it is still visible light.

Quote from: Pema on February 18, 2026, 05:05:27 PMDo you know what made that M13 image turn out so well?

Luck, mostly.  Atmospheric conditions were excellent, and my equipment worked perfectly that night.  In processing, I saw that it had potential, so I was very careful in my adjustments.  I made lots of very specific, very tiny adjustments until it looked right.  When the final tiny adjustment made everything "pop", I had the good sense to stop and save the file.

Quote from: Pema on February 18, 2026, 05:05:27 PMIs the software able to correct for atmospheric effects?

Nope.  If the seeing is poor, there is nothing you can do to fix it.  If the transparency is poor, you can shoot through narrowband filters to remove some of the light pollution, but you can't add light that isn't making it to the telescope.
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Lori Dee

Wow, Kathy. That is amazing!

I find that very fascinating. Thank you.
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About time I poked my nose in here. <3

So, Kathy, you're going to be the person who informs NASA that we have to send a rag-tag bunch of roughnecks into space to nuke a rogue asteroid because they never saw it coming?

That is exceptionally cool!
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Quote from: KathyLauren on February 18, 2026, 06:58:29 PMThe fact that I take multiple short exposures allows the software to remove satellite trails.

How long are the typical exposures? (Please forgive me if you've already said.) Do you vary them depending on the filters used, or does that not matter?

How much storage is required for the images? And how much memory for the processing?

Was your observatory a complete kit, or did you design it from components? And did you build it all yourself?

Did you learn it all on your own, or did you have mentors along the way?

Thank you for sharing all of this!
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Quote from: Pema on Today at 12:49:59 PMHow long are the typical exposures? ... Do you vary them depending on the filters used, or does that not matter?
Anywhere from 10 seconds to 15 minutes, depending on the target and the filter used.  For solar photography (which I don't do much of), the exposures are under 1 second.

Quote from: Pema on Today at 12:49:59 PMHow much storage is required for the images?
A single monochrome frame straight out of the camera is about 40 Mb.  Full colour images are about 150-200 Mb.  A full-size JPG is about 1.4 Mb, and the reduced size that I post on social media are around 200 Kb.

The image of Sh2-284 in this thread took a total of 1.7 Gb for all 143 original frames, and 18 Gb for the processed images, including all the intermediate steps, because I save my work frequently.

Quote from: Pema on Today at 12:49:59 PMAnd how much memory for the processing?
The machine that I do this work on has 16 Gb of memory.  It is adequate.  More is always better.  This machine runs Win 10 pro.  As with all Windows machines, the more recent the version, the more memory you need.

Quote from: Pema on Today at 12:49:59 PMWas your observatory a complete kit, or did you design it from components? And did you build it all yourself?

Only the dome itself came as a kit.  I built the building myself from plans and installed the dome on it.  I originally bought a prepackaged kit for the dome control system, but I didn't like it and designed and built my own.

Quote from: Pema on Today at 12:49:59 PMDid you learn it all on your own, or did you have mentors along the way?

I learned on my own, with help from numerous people on online astronomy forums.
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