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cloe_2023

Dear all,
that shall be my blog for observations on myself and my environment, and anecdotes while moving on the gender spectrum. Please enjoy and comment – but please never forget: While we share so much and have much in common our cultures, our (political) environments and state in our journeys differ largely.

Cloe (57), Belgium


Is losing male privilege a first step in passing?

An encounter today at the local farmers market. Outside temperature 0°C – rare in Belgium – I am wearing a long red cardigan that shows under a windbreaker, a scarf and my natural curly long hair flows free down to shoulder. So, from behind I might have looked passable – albeit, a bit broad shouldered.

At a dairy stand, I am first in queue behind two men just being served, behind me a smaller women of Asian origin. A man probably in late 60s comes from a back, skips the line, puts himself on the counter, makes himself large (well, he isn't. I am at least 10cm taller) and seeks eye-contact with the vendors. How does he dare?

The vendor having finished her client, ignores him and turns to me: 'Bonjour monsieur'. The man immediately visibly buckles, turns his head towards me, eyes wide open as if in horror.... Does he suddenly realise that he had infringed the rights of ... a man, he had mistaken for a woman? I smile to the lady behind me and the vendor – and get the smile returned.

ChrissyRyan

So in Belgium a man may step to the front of a serving line if only women are in line, and that is socially accepted behavior?  Or is it always rude behavior to cut in line?

Always stay cheerful, be polite, kind, and understanding. Accepting yourself as the woman you are is very liberating.  Never underestimate the appreciation and respect of authenticity.  Help connect a person to someone that may be able to help that person.  Be brave, be strong.  A TRUE friend is a treasure.  Relationships are very important, people are important, and the sooner we all realize that the better off the world will be.  Try a little kindness.  Be generous with your time, energy, wisdom, and resources.   Inconvenience yourself to help someone.   I am a brown eyed, brown haired woman. 
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Sarah B ✅

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Hi Everyone

Cloe you asked the following question:

Is losing male privilege a first step in passing?

If your aim is to become a 'female' then, Yes, losing male privilege is one of those initial steps in passing, as it reflects how society begins to perceive and treat you as female.  This loss becomes evident through exclusion from male dominated conversations (I can relate to this one) or facing challenges unique to women, such as discrimination, ceiling level, safety concerns, or being seen as part of the "weaker sex."

While I didn't initially recognize male privilege or think about it consciously, moments like being left out of discussions among men highlighted this shift.  Losing male privilege is not just about societal treatment, it also involves navigating the vulnerabilities and realities of living life as a female.

Despite all these concerns, I pushed forward with determination.  Why did I keep going? I don't have a simple answer.  It was just something I had to do.  That's life.  These challenges, including the loss of male privilege, were simply part of living my life as a female and I accepted them as they came.  Through it all, I chose to continue forward, embracing my life as a female fully and completely.

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Sarah B
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cloe_2023

Quote from: ChrissyRyan on January 19, 2025, 06:03:55 PMSo in Belgium a man may step to the front of a serving line if only women are in line, and that is socially accepted behavior?  Or is it always rude behavior to cut in line?



Dear ChrissyRyan,

Clearly, it is not socially accepted behaviour in Belgium to skip any line. It would always be considered rude.

My point is: For some (like this man), the barrier to jump to skip the line is lower when he sees only women in the line. So it is not so much about 'socially accepted behaviour' but about individually perceived limits set by those directly interacting with you.

Another example some days earlier.

It was snowing. The sidewalk along an inner-town busy street is narrow and hardly cleared. A woman (giving Latin-American appearance - mentioning it as I think there is a race dimension in it as well) comes out of a laundry shop with a big bag of laundry. Our passes will cross, she makes herself ready to step into the puddle. I make a fast step and jump into a house's entry. She smiles and continues on the cleared part of the sidewalk. She looks at me saying, "Oh, one doesn´t expect that from a man".

An interesting take on gendered expected behaviour - pity that I didn't pass that moment. Courtesy expectations have changed, it seems.

ChrissyRyan

Simple curtesies can go a long way.

Always stay cheerful, be polite, kind, and understanding. Accepting yourself as the woman you are is very liberating.  Never underestimate the appreciation and respect of authenticity.  Help connect a person to someone that may be able to help that person.  Be brave, be strong.  A TRUE friend is a treasure.  Relationships are very important, people are important, and the sooner we all realize that the better off the world will be.  Try a little kindness.  Be generous with your time, energy, wisdom, and resources.   Inconvenience yourself to help someone.   I am a brown eyed, brown haired woman. 

ChrissyRyan

#5
I have received some niceties by those receiving me as a woman.
This includes using the correct pronouns, name, holding a door open, and "please, after you."  Also:
Complimenting me on jewelry or something about my appearance, asking what Chrissy thinks, etc.

Then again I have experienced some mansplaining, some very awkward moments by those clearly trying to suppress their laughter (in my opinion, of course) or "was HE a DEI hire?", when told about that question presented to a colleague who spoke on behalf of me as being very competent.

I think there IS male privilege though.  In some societies it is extreme. 

Chrissy
Always stay cheerful, be polite, kind, and understanding. Accepting yourself as the woman you are is very liberating.  Never underestimate the appreciation and respect of authenticity.  Help connect a person to someone that may be able to help that person.  Be brave, be strong.  A TRUE friend is a treasure.  Relationships are very important, people are important, and the sooner we all realize that the better off the world will be.  Try a little kindness.  Be generous with your time, energy, wisdom, and resources.   Inconvenience yourself to help someone.   I am a brown eyed, brown haired woman. 
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cloe_2023

Dear all

It is always so nice to read, but writing... Sorry way too seldom and so much has happened since the first opening post for me. Gosh, 20 months already.

Wardrobe changed, but not yet socially fully transitioned; voice training started in March – I always hated my voice – it is so much fun to experiment, play, learn and build an alternative voice; HRT works on body and mind and I feel so good.

One day in May this year I recognised that the passport will expire end of October. Practically minded as I am, that triggered notifying a desired change of gender marker on the birth certificate back in Germany before getting a new passport. October 2nd the three months waiting period had passed.

It all ran towards making big decisions around National coming out day 2026 a 'target date' for the official coming out – which was Sunday. How is it going?

I felt the support by my wife over the months even if it was rarely spoken about. During the last weeks I had individual chats with our four adult daughters which are all super supportive – and one of them is deeper in the queer community than I had thought. Nice way of bonding.

My wife came home from a week traveling on Saturday, Sunday I asked her if she would mind me realizing the change I'd anticipate. I would give her a 'veto' over it and find my way. Evidently the five had talked in the back and her reaction was "Finally you ask me. I feared you would leave me out. Sure if you feel good doing it and this is what you want." And the rest was simple curiosity on what I intend to do precisely. So, I told her the chosen name, provided the bureaucracy would allow it.

This morning I got the message that they are ok with a neutral gender marker, a rare unisex Japanese name meaning 'Human' and also 'Benevolence' in combination with the name of one Grandmother (which is the name I used now at doctors and coaches) and French female name I really like. So the twist is feminine – but I don't feel the F-marker (yet?).

When I came home, a daughter currently living with us, told that my wife has started practicing the new name in a talk with her this afternoon. I was close to tears.

Tomorrow, Tuesday I will announce it to the team at work – and will have to announce that I will be leaving the team end of the month. A double farewell to a nice young team where the tasks got too worn out and management too bad so change was required. November 2nd is the official act of name change and a day later I'll start in a new team.... that is actually older and 'much more
male'. They might not get much choice.  As a coach put it: "In a European public administration, you have all the protection in a conservative environment. In arts its quite the opposite."

It all seems to run smoothly. Curious what tomorrow will bring and happy to leave the old names behind. (but that's a different story).

Hito

Stottie Girl

Wow, that is a significant update Cloe. A lot going on there. I don't think we have met, I'm Sarah, I think I joined Susans just after your last post in this blog.

Very best of luck for tomorrows anouncement. I do hope it all goes well. Telling my place of work is something that scares me a lot but it sounds like you are fired up for it.

Sarah xx
A wise man once said don't judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes, that way when you judge him you're a mile away and you have his shoes!

Never trust a man who, when left alone in a room with a tea cozy, doesn't try it on - Billy Connolley

cloe_2023

Dear all,
wanted to continue the story, while two weeks passed. The day after the earlier message I announced to the coworkers in the unit that they will have a 'double farewell', not only because we had planned a drink for another colleague leaving: I'll leave the unit end of the month and the same day the known male(name) will disappear. Result of a long process of introspection, the 'male' no longer fits and perhaps hadn't fitted already for a long long time. So I am joining what some in the US consider the violent, terrorist transgender conspiracy....

The reaction: "Wow, courageous", applause, "What's the new name?", "Shall we use it right away?" "What are the pronouns?"

Completely natural, incredibly welcoming and open. I was so overwhelmed that I had to volunteer to carry drinks and cake to quickly leave the room – and have the opportunity to manage watering eyes. Later it turned out that our team is probably the queerest in the house, but I would be the only transgender. Seemingly, when younger colleagues were discussing recently over a beer whom to put to 'left or the right of the queer line" they agreed to put me 'on the line' :-)

Anyway, the next I had to travel for business to Portugal and thanked them for their welcoming reaction admitting how touched I was and how important it is for me. After landing, the message came in that this has caused 'collective tears'.

My spirit was so high that I used the days in Portugal to practice at the event the more female voice – it worked pretty well, sounded nice. It was the last public event I was be announced with the old name. In public I dressed androgynous to female. I enjoyed the second, confused looks – and could bite my .... ,that two times I was spontaneously addressed as female but didn't manage to respond with the female voice.

And, a treat, I got my earlobes pierced and bought a pair of beautiful earrings.

The German admin is waiting and creates the only downer: I asked the embassy / foreign office for experience with neutral gender marker in the passport, and if there is a possibility to get a second passport issued with an M/F marker. The response was impolite: In essence, "read our website' travel info, it's documented for every country" and "the marker in revised birth certificate has to be replicated in the passport and all information in all documents has to be same". Checking the country travel pages, al large number of countries don't accept a neutral marker. Not only the US and numerous African countries, but also United Arab Emirates even for boarding planes for airport transit in Dubai / Abu Dhabi.

So I wrote politely back that what they wrote in effect means that I cannot exercise my right of self determination of gender without significant disadvantages in my professional career as international civil servant and that I wonder how the legitimate security interest of the Germany related to the risk of issuing two passports with deviating gender markers can outweigh the restriction of my rights. Result: The embassy administration is in the process of thinking, in need of additional info from the ministries and services in Germany (from their response).

So let's see what happens. Perhaps I opt finally for the F marker. Doesn't make a difference for the US while other countries only have a problem with the X-marker. Looking forward to 'my date' next week.

Dear Sarah, thanks for the nice response. Indeed we didn't meet although almost neighbors. You might have joined a bit later but in postings OMG 9:4000.
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Stottie Girl

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Ha! That's because I don't know when to shut up!🤣🤣 I haven't looked at that stat for a while but you are right 4,061 and counting!

The response from your work colleagues fills me with hope that when I come out I will receive similar positivity. Sadly, I have my doubts.

Governments can be soo beaurocratic and often don't take the time to consider the human impact of people. I hope you manage to get everything sorted soon.

A wise man once said don't judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes, that way when you judge him you're a mile away and you have his shoes!

Never trust a man who, when left alone in a room with a tea cozy, doesn't try it on - Billy Connolley
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Courtney G

Chloe, it's very nice to ready your story here. Thank you for posting.

I did spend a couple of months working in Holland but never was able to visit Belgium. Someday, perhaps.

I suspect english isn't your first language, so I'll offer a correction in terminology, gently and with respect:

Calling a person "a transgender" isn't a currently-acceptable use of the language around being trans. It's considered dehumanizing. The best way I could explain it is this:

It's for similar reasons that we don't refer to enslaved people as "slaves." Doing so reduces their identity to that term. Being enslaved is what happened to them rather than who they are. It would be like continuing to call a person who was once imprisoned a "prisoner" even if they'd been out of prison for many years. The purpose of calling them that in the first place was a deliberate effort to dehumanize them.

So, we use the terms:

"I'm a transgender person/man/woman" - putting that last bit on the end changes the term significantly
"She is a <whatever>"
"The transgender community"

Similarly, we don't say "transgendered" as that implies that something happened to them. "She is transgendered" would be replaced with "She is a transgender woman.

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Stottie Girl

I think we can cut Chloe some slack here can't we Courtney? How about responding to her actual post instead of a grammar lesson? I would have been offended if that were me. You could have just dealt with that with a footnote on an otherwise positive post once she has settled in. She is mostly sharing a good news story with us and they are few and far between these days. It's just words and it is not her first language. I have my doubts many of us could speak Flemmish, French and German like most people in Belgium!

I am not in the least bit offended with what you said Chloe.
A wise man once said don't judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes, that way when you judge him you're a mile away and you have his shoes!

Never trust a man who, when left alone in a room with a tea cozy, doesn't try it on - Billy Connolley
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Devlyn ✅

Quote from: Stottie Girl on <strong>Today</strong> at 03:03:32 AMI think we can cut Chloe some slack here can't we Courtney? How about responding to her actual post instead of a grammar lesson? I would have been offended if that were me. You could have just dealt with that with a footnote on an otherwise positive post once she has settled in. She is mostly sharing a good news story with us and they are few and far between these days. It's just words and it is not her first language. I have my doubts many of us could speak Flemmish, French and German like most people in Belgium!

I am not in the least bit offended with what you said Chloe.

I think she did. 🙂

Quote...I suspect english isn't your first language, so I'll offer a correction in terminology, gently and with respect:

Calling a person "a transgender" isn't a currently-acceptable use of the language around being trans. It's considered dehumanizing...

There's no problem with educating someone on the proper and respectful terminology used to address members of our community, and Courtney did a lovely job of it. Maybe you should cut her some slack. 🙂





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