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Lori Dee

Thanks, ladies.

Today's appointment was almost a 180-degree difference. They were on-time and engaged. The first doctor introduced himself, confirmed my name, and my pronouns. He scored points for that.

We discussed some medical history, and I could see he was often referring to my chart. Then he got to the "we need to change your dose due to risks" part. He explained that they follow WPATH Guidelines (which shocked me since Trump bashed them), and that the guidelines aim to minimize risk. I corrected him and stated that the purpose of the guidelines, as stated are:

"The overall goal of the guidelines from WPATH, called 'Standards of Care, is to provide clinical guidance for health professionals to assist transgender and gender diverse people with safe and effective pathways to achieve lasting personal comfort with their gendered selves, and to maximize their overall health, psychological well-being, and self-fulfillment." (I didn't quote this; I paraphrased, but he got the message.)

I told him that I understand they are overworked and understaffed and do not have time to research or read the studies. I am retired. I have time, and I do research and read the studies. He said he would go get Dr. Iwamoto, their head Endocrinologist.

He was a very nice man, and it didn't take long for him to realize I wasn't a dumb patient. We sparred for a few quick moments, just to establish that we had common ground and could speak the same language, I think. So he tried to tell me that he wanted to reduce my dose of estradiol to reduce the risk of blood clots. I disagreed. I am not on oral estradiol, and injectables have the same risk as patches, and patches have not worked for me.

He wanted to reduce my progesterone dose for the same reason. I agreed that, as an oral medication, it passes through the liver but does not increase the risk of clots. The danger lies in the metabolites' side effects, which cause dizziness and drowsiness. I told him that I have been on this dose for two years and I am not bothered by the side effects any longer.

He then tried to tell me that the pharmacy may push back because the maximum recommended dose is 200mg per day, and I take 300mg per day. I told him the VA pharmacy has been filling that prescription for two years without any "push-back".

Finally, we reached an agreement. He said he will document our conversation in which he explained the risks (i.e., Informed Consent), and that no changes will be made to my prescription. At the end of May, we will do labs to check my hormone levels, and we will talk again. If the labs show my levels are elevated, then we will discuss decreasing my dose. I agreed. However, what he calls "elevated" is my normal. I told him that if he drops my levels and I start to experience symptoms (hot flushes, night sweats), I will call him in the middle of the night to complain. He smiled and said most people don't feel any symptoms. I said if that were true, he would not ever prescribe hormones for women in menopause.

He smiled at that and left the video call.

Overall, I think it was a good appointment. I achieved my goal of not changing anything until they understand who they are dealing with, and made it clear who they are dealing with. If they continue to listen and have intelligent discussions with me, I will be more willing to accept their recommendations. They now know that I will call them out if they try to BS me.

They are sending out new prescriptions with no changes, and I will talk to them in six months.

Life is good.
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ChrissyRyan

Quote from: Lori Dee on March 30, 2026, 01:14:31 PMThanks, ladies.

Today's appointment was almost a 180-degree difference. They were on-time and engaged. The first doctor introduced himself, confirmed my name, and my pronouns. He scored points for that.

We discussed some medical history, and I could see he was often referring to my chart. Then he got to the "we need to change your dose due to risks" part. He explained that they follow WPATH Guidelines (which shocked me since Trump bashed them), and that the guidelines aim to minimize risk. I corrected him and stated that the purpose of the guidelines, as stated are:

"The overall goal of the guidelines from WPATH, called 'Standards of Care, is to provide clinical guidance for health professionals to assist transgender and gender diverse people with safe and effective pathways to achieve lasting personal comfort with their gendered selves, and to maximize their overall health, psychological well-being, and self-fulfillment." (I didn't quote this; I paraphrased, but he got the message.)

I told him that I understand they are overworked and understaffed and do not have time to research or read the studies. I am retired. I have time, and I do research and read the studies. He said he would go get Dr. Iwamoto, their head Endocrinologist.

He was a very nice man, and it didn't take long for him to realize I wasn't a dumb patient. We sparred for a few quick moments, just to establish that we had common ground and could speak the same language, I think. So he tried to tell me that he wanted to reduce my dose of estradiol to reduce the risk of blood clots. I disagreed. I am not on oral estradiol, and injectables have the same risk as patches, and patches have not worked for me.

He wanted to reduce my progesterone dose for the same reason. I agreed that, as an oral medication, it passes through the liver but does not increase the risk of clots. The danger lies in the metabolites' side effects, which cause dizziness and drowsiness. I told him that I have been on this dose for two years and I am not bothered by the side effects any longer.

He then tried to tell me that the pharmacy may push back because the maximum recommended dose is 200mg per day, and I take 300mg per day. I told him the VA pharmacy has been filling that prescription for two years without any "push-back".

Finally, we reached an agreement. He said he will document our conversation in which he explained the risks (i.e., Informed Consent), and that no changes will be made to my prescription. At the end of May, we will do labs to check my hormone levels, and we will talk again. If the labs show my levels are elevated, then we will discuss decreasing my dose. I agreed. However, what he calls "elevated" is my normal. I told him that if he drops my levels and I start to experience symptoms (hot flushes, night sweats), I will call him in the middle of the night to complain. He smiled and said most people don't feel any symptoms. I said if that were true, he would not ever prescribe hormones for women in menopause.

He smiled at that and left the video call.

Overall, I think it was a good appointment. I achieved my goal of not changing anything until they understand who they are dealing with, and made it clear who they are dealing with. If they continue to listen and have intelligent discussions with me, I will be more willing to accept their recommendations. They now know that I will call them out if they try to BS me.

They are sending out new prescriptions with no changes, and I will talk to them in six months.

Life is good.


Sounds like an open discussion.  But you said that you will take labs in May and talk then, so you will not need to wait to talk six months.
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Lori Dee

Quote from: ChrissyRyan on March 30, 2026, 01:25:19 PMSounds like an open discussion.  But you said that you will take labs in May and talk then, so you will not need to wait to talk six months.

You are sharp, Chrissy! It does look that way. The labs happen in May for my Primary doctor. They are tacking on hormone tests, too. They will watch them and, if necessary, order more labs before the next six-month appointment. They want enough data to show my levels are consistently high, range from low to high, or whatever they fluctuate. You can't see that with one set of labs.

My last labs with them showed my levels were high a few days before my injection, then my labs (for my Primary) showed normal a few days after the injection. They want to ignore the normal lab results and focus on the elevated levels to justify dropping my dose.

So we will see how my levels are tracking over time. If they are high, I agreed to lower my dose. If not, they have no evidence to back their decision, and they know I will call them out on it.
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ChrissyRyan

Lori,

I hope it all works out.  I wonder if there is a "guideline age" to drop the estradiol dose.
Maybe it has more to do with other risk factors. 

So far my dosage has remained the same.  I do split my tablets and take one half early in the day sublingually and the other half later in the day sublingually to spread out the dosage.  But it is not more than prescribed.  My MD is just fine with this.

Chrissy
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Lori Dee

Quote from: ChrissyRyan on March 30, 2026, 01:51:47 PMLori,

I hope it all works out.  I wonder if there is a "guideline age" to drop the estradiol dose.
Maybe it has more to do with other risk factors. 

So far my dosage has remained the same.  I do split my tablets and take one half early in the day sublingually and the other half later in the day sublingually to spread out the dosage.  But it is not more than prescribed.  My MD is just fine with this.

Chrissy


Splitting your dose helps keep your blood levels more even, so they aren't swinging high and low throughout the day. That's a good thing.

There is no guideline for strictly reducing the dose to adhere to an age-appropriate level. The reason is that women my age are post-menopause, which is age-related, and due to reduced natural hormones. The treatment is to add HRT to increase levels to avoid that.

HOWEVER, age also affects every other system in our bodies. So we start to have issues with heart health, osteoporosis, arthritis, breathing issues, etc. The reason for lowering the dose is not to force menopause because of age, but to reduce risks like cardiovascular problems (clots and strokes).

Estrodiol actually protects the body against osteoporosis, and some studies suggest progesterone may protect against estrogen's risk of clots and stroke, but more studies are needed on this.

The doctor told me he knows transgender women who have suffered blood clots at early ages, one as early as 20, and Ron DeSantis' daughter at age 40. I never accept such stories as "proof" because I don't know their medical history or family history of such problems. They may have been in the high-risk category all their lives.

I can only vouch for my own history and family history to determine my own risk. Doctors tend to look at populations instead of patients. They can't identify a tree because the forest is in the way.

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Charlotte Kitty

So glad your session went ok, even if you did have to fight your corner. I always thought it was upto the individual whether they lower their dose of E with age to mimic the natural drop or continue with pre menopause levels. I expect most people would like to keep just above the level needed to keep menopause symptoms away.

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Lori Dee

Quote from: Charlotte Kitty on March 30, 2026, 02:08:34 PMSo glad your session went ok, even if you did have to fight your corner. I always thought it was upto the individual whether they lower their dose of E with age to mimic the natural drop or continue with pre menopause levels. I expect most people would like to keep just above the level needed to keep menopause symptoms away.

Charlotte 😻

Doctors like to see everything as risk management. Even if you do not have anything that would increase your risk, they fall back on what the general population experiences. The first doctor tried telling me about the Women's Health Initiative findings. He was shocked when I told him it doesn't apply to ME.

The study was designed to determine whether adding a synthetic progestin to Conjugated Equine Estrogen (Premarin) would improve cardiovascular health in postmenopausal women.

Out of 51,000 women who participated in the study, not one of them was transgender.

The study added a synthetic progestin. I take a bioidentical progesterone, not a synthetic one.

The study used Premarin (Pregnant Mare Urine), an estrogen derived from horses. My estradiol is bioidentical to human estrogen.

A follow-up study revealed that horse hormones in humans cause health risks (duh), like blood clots and strokes.

The follow-up studies also found that synthetic progestins at those doses cause cancers. However, they have been safe to use at very low doses in birth control pills.

So, yes, it should be up to the individual to decide whether to lower their dose.

I do not believe any physician would disagree with that. The way they see it, zero dose = zero risk, and everything above that escalates. After spending four years with PMS symptoms, I just don't understand why anyone would want to do that, except to reduce a real risk.

Many people have medical issues that pose a risk, and in that case, it makes sense.
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Dances With Trees

Such great news, Lori!

I am so glad you found a provider inside the VA willing to listen.

After avoiding me for almost a year, my VA provider finally addressed my gender variance. It was a good conversation. Hopefully, our experiences indicate a shift, though no doubt informal, in attitude inside the VA regarding transgender patients.

Lori Dee

So, here is an interesting development. For context, I would tell my tank crews that we do not have problems, only interesting situations.

Yesterday, my neighbors and I received a letter from the property management company. They are selling all four of their mobile home communities. There are a number of state laws that protect tenants' rights as renters, as well as additional laws governing mobile home communities. Those who own their home but only rent the lot will be provided with other options as part of the property transfer.

Nothing has happened yet. The law requires us to be notified if the owner takes any action with the intent to sell. So, we are only at the very beginning of a long process.

One of my next-door neighbors owns his home and rents the lot. My other next-door neighbor and I rent on a month-to-month basis. We are expecting the new owners to raise the rent; we are just waiting to see how high they want to go. My neighbor said that in the past, he has seen increases of anywhere from 10% to 30%.

The problem with rent increases is the justification is always "to remain competitive in the market" and they rarely offer additional benefit for the higher cost we pay. My thinking is that if they truly wanted to be competitive, they would lower their price. Right? Isn't that why retail outlets have sales?

I have a number in mind that I am not willing to exceed without some additional benefit. I would go higher if they decide to cover all my utilities (not likely), for example. Barring that, I won't stay. For the amount I have in mind, I can rent a small house. There just are not that many available here in Pueblo and the immediate area.

So, it looks like my summer may be house hunting instead of gold prospecting. I still have plenty of time before I receive and review any offers they make. But I want a Plan B ready to go so that I am not negotiating from a position of necessity.

The nice thing about being a survivalist is that I am not afraid to go camping in the forest for an extended period while waiting for housing to become available. When I moved to South Dakota, I lived in the forest from May 6th until November 11th. I moved again in 2023 and lived in the forest from June until August. In summer here in Colorado, that won't be an issue. It is a totally different scenario in winter.

So, we will see what happens. Fresh starts are always a good thing, so I don't fear them.
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Dear Lori:
 Of course the Rent  will go up... 
...remember that the landlords have to pay rising property taxes and adhere to sometimes
unreasonable new laws and codes that will undoubtedly include for fees for them to pay.

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and keep your battery charged so that you can charge your laptop, pad, and/or iPhone.
Be sure to find a spot with good 5G coverage that you can use for internet.

Wishing you good luck no matter what happens.

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Quote from: Northern Star Girl on Today at 12:34:52 PMPlease be sure that if/when you live off-grid in the forest to keep your vehicle full of gas
and keep your battery charged so that you can charge your laptop, pad, and/or iPhone.

The battery pack that I had been using finally died. It has jumper cables as well as various USB and 12-volt outlets. The problem is in the AC-to-DC charging circuit.

I have two replacements arriving tomorrow. They are much smaller, so they can fit in the glove box. I can rotate them so they stay fully charged. The Jeep also has an auxiliary battery that powers interior lighting, so it doesn't drain the main battery.

I don't have a laptop, so it's phone-only. But I have an unlimited data plan, so as long as I have a cell signal, I'm good. Verizon has good coverage. I also now have an iPad tablet on loan from the VA for video appointments, and it is connected to the T-Mobile network instead of mine. I am leery of using it for personal use, but in an emergency, it could be useful.

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Stottie Girl

It sounds like you aren't emotionally attached to where you are Lori. If I were you I would be tempted to look to move now to remove the uncertainty. That's not a nice thing to have hanging over your head. You could be somewhere nicer and more stable.

You lived in the woods for that long? I would be wetting my pants for fear of bears ha ha! At least over here we only have to worry about a mildly annoyed squirrel
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Sephirah

This is something I kind of envy about you, Lori. You are a child of the planet. The world is your home. You are a free spirit in the purest sense of the word and I love that about you, very much.

Can I ask though, is there somewhere you've envisioned you could settle down? Do you feel drawn to someplace?
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Lori Dee

I am not attached to this place at all.

When I moved here from South Dakota, my goals were to re-establish residency so I am protected under state laws and save money while I look for someplace more permanent.

I don't like living in the city. It is too noisy and too much crime. My thinking was that this would just be a new Basecamp that is closer, so I could more easily scout the surrounding neighborhoods. It is not easy to learn about neighborhoods when getting there requires a 9-hour drive (one way).

I don't have a particular place in mind that I could point to on a map. I see it more as a collage of features. Ideally, it would be an acre or more of forested land, with a gold-bearing stream running through it. I can dream.

I want to move farther west to get closer to, or even into, the mountains. It isn't just about gold. It is more about elevation. I have always loved the desert, but we are currently in a drought. We are in the driest period in the past 130 years and the warmest winter in recorded history.

The mountain snowpacks are where we get our drinking water. The largest snowmasses this winter are only at 18% and 10% currently. The state's ski resorts had to close early due to a lack of snow. Many people ignore the signs, but pattern-recognition is something I am good at. I connect the dots.

There are places in California and Arizona, entire cities that have no water. Their wells dried up years ago. The Colorado River supplies water for irrigation and drinking to several states downstream. The water level is so low that they are concerned there will not be enough water to power the hydroelectric plants that supply a large share of the electricity to nearby states.

California and Arizona have also recorded the warmest March ever, and continue to break heat records, and we are still in winter. This is going to be a dry summer. I am not panicking, just observing. For every 1,000 feet increase in elevation, the temperature cools by about 10 degrees F. When it is 80 degrees down here, it is closer to 60 degrees up in gold country.

I am not making any plans at the moment. Just observing. Looking at what is available and what the options might be. Better to look now than later. If the new owners make a decent offer, I will stay. But I will still be looking. I do not expect the weather to get better over the next five years.
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Stottie Girl

And yet all Trump does is "Drill Baby Drill" and ignores all the environmental evidence around him. Lunatic!
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Quote from: Stottie Girl on Today at 03:30:18 PMAnd yet all Trump does is "Drill Baby Drill" and ignores all the environmental evidence around him. Lunatic!

He cut funding and reduced staff at the Environmental Protection Agency, issued Executive Orders to remove environmental regulations, and now he is reorganizing the USDA's Forest Service and closing research stations that study wildfires.

It is all about the oil.

Look at the countries he has threatened in some way and compare their oil production ranking.

Canada is #4 in the list of world oil production (105 countries)
Iran #7
Mexico #13
Nigeria #14
Venezuela #20
Cuba is #60 but it is small and close enough to bully.
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Sephirah

When all the oil runs out, you're going to be up a certain creek without a certain paddle.

He will be long gone by then, though, so he doesn't care.
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Stottie Girl

Yeah we are aware it's about the oil. It has always been about the oil with America. I don't understand the blind money grabbing mentality though we are not whiter than white in this country either. We have BP and Shell two of the worst culprits.
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Stottie Girl

Quote from: Sephirah on Today at 04:09:29 PMWhen all the oil runs out, you're going to be up a certain creek without a certain paddle.

He will be long gone by then, though, so he doesn't care.
There won't be any creeks, they will all have dried up!
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