Integrated Health Care Prescribing Committee BLOCKS transgender Hormones

[Tills]

As you say, @Stottie Girl this has the hands of management all over it. The pharmacist linked to Sunny Meed surgery is the one initially blocking it, doing so because of the new policy from the area health authority.

Above and beyond them this feels like it has Wes Streeting's grubby anti-trans hands all over it.

For anyone who doesn't know who Wes Streeting is, he's the Minister for Health who used to be supportive of trans rights until Labour gained power whereupon he did a complete u-turn and began enacting a series of anti-trans policies.

Wes Streeting is in a gay relationship and once posted on twitter about the journalist Jan Moir that he "would like to push the bigoted old bag in front of a train." He repeated this several times, even saying that he would like to start a vigilante group "to push nasty people in front of trains". Also that he would "like to kick a dog in the face."
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1628883/wes-streeting-abusive-tweets-labour-leadership-apologise-update 🔗

He is a self-serving career politician who is fuelling the anti-trans lobby

[Charlotte Kitty ✅]

I personally don't think we can underestimate the influence coming from the USA and Trumps government. Until this there was none of this talk. The UK is and always will be a puppet to the USA or any other in power nation.

As the UK has no real resources to support itself, let alone offer to others, I don't see this position ever changing. The UK doesn't even have intellectual resource anymore so I'm unfortunately pessimistic for the entire future. Unless someone knows something up our sleeve that almost any other nation somewhere else doesn't have more of or do better.

I'm basically rushing to self fund everything I want to do as quickly as possible. I'll worry about the tens of thousands of debt later. When I'm bankrupt I can't pay it anyway! The NHS hasn't sorted aganosing polyps I have in 12 months yet; why would it care about gender affirming care!

Charlotte 😻

[Stottie Girl]

The UK is on a downward spiral across the board but it doesn't have to be this way at all. Trans people are human beings and we have a medically diagnosable condition which has a known successful treatment path which I fear we are starting to be denied. We deserve to be afforded human decency from our elected government.

On the rest of the decline, the people at the top or waiting in the wings need to look at countries that have built themselves up from disaster and decline and start investing in UK industry. Germany and Japan did it post war and surpassed us. Korea did it, China has done it (though off the backs of low paid labour) It is about time we re-invested in our people and our companies. We can start by stopping foreign takeovers of British companies. Re-nationalising our utilities, Rail network, Post office, Royal Mail etc. Subsidising energy cost for businesses, not putting public tenders out to foreign companies. Privatisation has been a massive failure. all it did was give short term gain to the coffers which was squandered on god knows what. Look where we are now.

It's time for a revolution. I think we should start the Trans Liberation Party (TLP) and sweep to power, who's with me?

I may have gotten a teeny bit carried away there!

[Lori Dee ✅]

The biggest problem with "nationalism" is not patriotism but the impact of foreign investments. All of those countries rebuilt themselves with the help of foreign investment, not to mention the labor force that came from immigrants.

When a country starts banning and/or removing immigrants (or any class), they restrict their own labor force that does the work of rebuilding infrastructure, farming, and production in factories. It isn't just manual labor either. Engineers, doctors, and others with higher education contribute greatly to the success of any country.

@Jessica_Rose had joked that with the number of transgender people in the U.S., if we all moved to New Zealand, we would have enough votes to take over. Sadly, New Zealand has passed some not-so-friendly laws, and I have crossed it off my list. At least until we can all move there and take over.

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[Stottie Girl]

The biggest problem with "nationalism" is not patriotism but the impact of foreign investments. All of those countries rebuilt themselves with the help of foreign investment, not to mention the labor force that came from immigrants.

When a country starts banning and/or removing immigrants (or any class), they restrict their own labor force that does the work of rebuilding infrastructure, farming, and production in factories. It isn't just manual labor either. Engineers, doctors, and others with higher education contribute greatly to the success of any country.

@Jessica_Rose had joked that with the number of transgender people in the U.S., if we all moved to New Zealand, we would have enough votes to take over. Sadly, New Zealand has passed some not-so-friendly laws, and I have crossed it off my list. At least until we can all move there and take over.

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WOAH LORI! I didn't say I wanted to ban or remove immigrants, you are putting words in my mouth there. I have said nothing against immigrants at all here. Please don't let this get misconstrued like the last time.

This isn't nationalism in fact it's called socialism! I said I don't want foreign COMPANIES taking over our companies. I imagine it is different in the states but over here our businesses are often taken over by foreign hedge funds or unscrupulous owners who end up sacking loads of the workforce, lower the wages and strip the business of the assets. Sometimes they buy them then move the whole brand and business abroad. Everytime a promising business gets started they get taken over. It has happened time and time again.

Loads of these foreign owners avoid paying tax in our country. Prime examples are Google, Amazon and the like. We have lost our steel industry to foreign companies who have ran the industry into the ground to the point where we had only one furnace left in the entire country that could make quality steel. The government had to step in to nationalise it to save the plant but it's only a matter of time before they sell it off again.

There are a few UK organisations doing this too don't get me wrong but the FTSE100 index companies are now nearly 60% foreign owned. I blame the british owners who sell them as much as the foreign investment funds. Hell we don't even own our water it's 70 % owned by foreign companies who fail to invest in the infrastructure whilst hiking water rates and creaming off the proffit.

This is the rotten part of capitalism/globalisation. We are headed in only one direction if we constantly sell everything off to make a quick buck. Capitalism is still the best system, I'm not wanting to endorse communism here by the way!

We used to have proud British businesses, made in britain used to mean something.

I've gone off on a total tangent here. Sorry Tills but I'm worried I get picked up for using far right terminology again here.

I knew I shouldn't have started talking politics again. I won't get involved in any more political stuff, I'll keep my opinions to myself in future.

[Sephirah]

As someone who comes from Sheffield, in the north of England, I can attest to the downfall of the steel industry. It really has nothing to do with immigration, at all. When the Tory government were in power, there were mutterings about selling off pieces of the NHS. Even Donald Trump showed an interest. But as a body, it is heavily reliant on immigration and medical staff from overseas.

That's kind of apples and oranges. I kind of agree with Sarah here.

[Stottie Girl]

As someone who comes from Sheffield, in the north of England, I can attest to the downfall of the steel industry. It really has nothing to do with immigration, at all. When the Tory government were in power, there were mutterings about selling off pieces of the NHS. Even Donald Trump showed an interest. But as a body, it is heavily reliant on immigration and medical staff from overseas.

That's kind of apples and oranges. I kind of agree with Sarah here.

Thanks Lauren. I'll stop getting all political now! ooh kittens

[Pema]

I think there may have been confusion there between

nationalize: to invest control or ownership of in the national government

and

nationalism: an ideology that elevates one nation or nationality above all others and that places primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations, nationalities, or supranational groups.

[Lori Dee ✅]

@Stottie Girl

I was not accusing you of anything. I apologize if it came across that way.

We have the same problem here with foreign corporations buying out smaller companies. At the beginning of COVID, it was revealed that Chinese-owned companies were buying entire supply chains. For example, cattle and ranchland, feedlots, meatpacking plants, and distribution channels (Tyson, Jack's Links, etc.). That provided many jobs and tax revenue for states. The downside is that they could charge whatever prices they want because they control their own profits for the entire product. And that is just one example.

I agree with you that the ideal situation would be for locals to own and operate the businesses. But that is not feasible in many situations. In any given city, there are only so many people who want to own and operate a widget factory, even if the demand is high. The solution to meet the demand is for foreign investors to build, own, and operate the business.

Can it be abused? Absolutely. And that needs to be regulated. But even locally-owned monopolies can be abused, too.

Again, I apologize if it seemed like I was accusing you. I was not. I was only pointing out that post-war development was not done only by locals. It was done with foreign investment.

[Stottie Girl]

No it's me over-reacting again Lori. I've picked you up wrong. Sorry, I'm just paranoid of saying the wrong thing again. I can't help myself! I'd best stay clear of politics. It's just the treatment of Tills by our healthcare system got me so riled up.