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Petunia

After trying to talk about the T word and what I'm feeling we sat down and talked yesterday.

I started by explaining to my wife that I'm not cis male.  She didn't understand so I tried to explain it.

I also said I've never been a really masculine man. She said this is one of the things she really liked/likes about me.

She has known for 36 years that I like to crossdress but I did stop doing it almost 20 years ago because I hated myself.

The question she has been asking me was why now.  So I decided to join Susan's to assist getting an answer.

I tried to explain things step by step but it didn't go over well.

When I mentioned transgender my wife told me I am not to go out crossdressed. But why I can't just do it (begrudgingly) at home?

She said she doesn't want to split up and she didn't expect to spend our retirement this way.

She asked what are people going to think of her?

She also said no hormones, and I need to talk to somebody about this.

I can go back to my psychologist, but in my last visit we kind of agreed to park things for a while.

My psychologist also said she would provide a supporting letter to a doctor of my choice if I chose to do something.

I couldn't bring myself to tell this to my wife.

I still don't know who/what I really am (or maybe I'm just kidding myself)

I don't consider I have been crossdressing even though I have been women's underwear for about 10 months and pretty much everyday I have been wearing at least one piece of female outerwear, but never dresses.

I'm sure I don't need to go over everything I've been doing but I don't know how I'd react if I have to cut my hair or remove my jewelery.

My wife did appologise for not being more supportive but I said that was ok and understandable.

So today is probably the worst day I've had in 10 months or more


Finally Anna

I don't know if I can offer any words of true comfort, but this makes me get a feeling of hope.
Quote from: Petunia on June 22, 2026, 11:19:01 PMI also said I've never been a really masculine man. She said this is one of the things she really liked/likes about me.

And there're also other positives
Quote from: Petunia on June 22, 2026, 11:19:01 PMShe said she doesn't want to split up and she didn't expect to spend our retirement this way. She asked what are people going to think of her?
What you are writing is that she wants to stay and that the issues she sees are not primarily about her attraction to you, but about how others will see her/you. Coming out to her means that she gets thrown into a whirlwind of thoughts and fears and it is at least possible that her reactions are a lot about the fear of the unknown. That with a bit of time and with seeing that your core will stay the same she can rethink what this really means?

I do understand the heaviness of the situation but I also think that her reaction does bring a bit of hope. 💕
Out to self since March 5, 2026. My wife knows it all since June 25.
Integration ongoing. I'll cross the transition bridge when I get to it.

Charlotte Kitty

This sounds like a very big moment,  Petunia, and this is really only a single conversation. I'm so glad that you found the courage to sit and discuss this in detail. Like Anna says it seems at the level of "who you are" she doesn't see such a big issue. I expect however that more depth would need to be focused here to determine the extent. It seems like she is worried about other people which may be in terms of embarrassment and avoiding criticism. She may be worried about this in terms of her own feelings but also concen for you.

I think that it might be worth exploring these separate themes and more together. I'm kibd of thinking a what if situation - say if the worry about how people would see you wasn't there, would she be happy with you fully transitioning. Also I think going to your therapist means you can define some questions and discussions together. This maybe means you can push towards "what if" scenarios, like HRT, with your wife under the guise they are part of therapy. In reality this is true hypothetical exploration.

I get this will be hard and on top of your mind will be not losing your relationship. But there is also an opportunity to push the envelope a little after each therapy session. Change abd chages of mind sometimes happen with regular exposure, supporting your partners concerns with answers and the affirmation of a 3rd party.

Sending you lots of love and hugs. I know you'll need them.

Charlotte 😻

Petunia

Thank you Anna. That is exactly what I'm hoping for.


Sweet, sweet Charlotte. There you go again trying to help other people when you are in so much turmoil.

Please prioritise yourself.

Send me pm's if you like.
 I wonder if your hrt is compounding issues


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Maid Marion

When I was growing up Corporal Klinger on M.A.SH. was the butt of jokes.  1970s TV show.
Cross dressing back then invited bullying or worse.

Now it is just clothes.  I tell my random golfing partners that I wear female clothes because they fit perfectly and I can buy them on sale at deep discounts.  Elderly men who play golf have no issue with that.  Some suggest they are "my clothes."  Others wish their wives could wear my outfits.  I wear sample sizes, the same as models wear.

I have discussed the difference between gender and sexuality with one guy I've played with a couple of times.
I think he appreciated the discussion as I kept it simple and to the point so he could understand it.

Marion
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Petunia

Thank you all for the kind words.

I need to sleeo and stop crying for now.
It will take a while
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Stottie Girl

It's a very tough thing you are dealing with Petunia. I have no experience with these matters but I hope your wife can come to accept you for who you are.
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tammy753

Wow I can't image what that was like thanks for sharing that and if you need support please let us know.


Jessica_Rose

When I told my wife, she didn't take it well. It wasn't long before we slept in separate bedrooms. We barely spoke to each other for months. I started HRT without telling her. At work, I was happy. I had to turn off my joy when I got home because I knew it would upset my wife. Eventually, she began to see that I was becoming a better version of myself. We had many challenges to overcome, but our marriage survived. Five years ago we remarried, this time as two brides. We've now been married 42 years. I asked her why she stayed with me all of these years, and she always replies 'because I love you.'

The best advice I can give is to be patient. Give her time to understand. Answer questions truthfully.

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Finally Anna

What a fantastic journey, Jessica Rose. I can only imagine the difficulties, and then:
Quote from: Jessica_Rose on June 23, 2026, 08:14:46 AMFive years ago we remarried, this time as two brides. We've now been married 42 years. I asked her why she stayed with me all of these years, and she always replies 'because I love you.'
Beautiful! I get tears in my eyes. 🥹
This gives us all a bit of hope.
Out to self since March 5, 2026. My wife knows it all since June 25.
Integration ongoing. I'll cross the transition bridge when I get to it.

Pema

Hi, Petunia. I'm sorry your wife didn't take it more positively, but - like others here - I think many of the things she did say give reasons to be hopeful. I think you're wise to move slowly from here. This was, as you wrote, only the start of the conversation; there will be more.

You said your therapist would provide a "supporting letter." Is that a Gender Dysphoria diagnosis? If so, that sounds like a pretty big deal to me. If your therapist is saying you are gender dysphoric, then I think that's something your wife ought to know about and really, truly understand its significance.

I'm very much an outsider, but from what I'm hearing your wife loves you and wants you to stay together AND she doesn't know about the profound significance that your being transgender has on you, your well-being, and therefore your relationship with her. Marriages are very much about openness and communication; this is something she *really* needs to understand.

But take your time, feel your way through. It's very new to her, and she will definitely go through her own transition as she adjusts to the new reality of you and the two of you. I find myself feeling pretty optimistic, though.
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Pugs4life

Dear Petunia,

It took so much courage to sit down with your wife and have the conversation that you did.  I am sorry to hear that it did not go as smoothly as you had hoped for. 

Try to remember that this can be shocking news for your wife to hear.  She will likely need time and patience as she navigates this journey of learning that you are not a cis male.  Just keep being honest and open with her and give her time to adjust.  Like others have mentioned, I see glimmers of hope here.  She said that she doesn't want to split up and that is so encouraging.  It sounds like she wants to stick this out with you. 

Your wife will probably have a ton of questions as she moves through this journey.  All you can do is answer her questions as honestly as you can.  Open communication will be so important. 

Please know that I am here to support you in whatever I can.  I am wishing you and your wife all the best as you are starting this journey together.

With love,
Amy

Courtney G

I'm so sorry for the difficult time you're going through, Petunia. I can't say it better than Amy did above, but I'll add a bit of my own experience.

I came out to my girlfriend about 5 years ago after she brought up marriage. My egg had just cracked and I had to come clean and tell her. The first thing she said was that maybe I should find a new partner who I'd be more compatible with. The second thing she said was "I'm not a lesbian." We stopped talking about marriage.

I moved slowly and gave her time. A lot of time. There were things I wanted to do but I waited because I realized that as Amy said, she needed time to process. We went to therapy but focussed more on "regular" relationship issues than my trans identity. But we stayed together.

We got married last year, selling both of our individual homes and buying a home together. I still take it slow. I slowly introduced feminine clothing, earrings, makeup, underwear, etc.  Jeans were the first. I did it so slowly, it's almost like it didn't happen. To date, I've never been out in girl mode anywhere with her. Not sure when that will happen. But I go out that way myself. I have a feminized body. There's still a lot I'd like to do and experience but I've gotten more than I ever thought I could. Even coming to terms with my truth was something I never thought would happen.

My hope is that with time and patience, the bonds of love and partnership will prevail and you'll be able to find your unique way forward.

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Petunia

Quote from: Pema on June 23, 2026, 11:11:34 AMYou said your therapist would provide a "supporting letter." Is that a Gender Dysphoria diagnosis? If so, that sounds like a pretty big deal to me. If your therapist is saying you are gender dysphoric, then I think that's something your wife ought to know about and really, truly understand its significance.


Short answer yes. A referal to start hrt.

I don't think I have that much dysphoria but I do have massive euphoria when I get to dress the way I want.

I'm hoping to go to the gender centre in the nearby capital city on Monday and join in a group session as my psychologist suggested.

In Australia you can have 10 subsidised visits for therapy in a year. 

I've used those up and my pyschologist cut short my last visit saying I can contact her again if I start having more issues or I can contact her and she will provide a referral to a medical professional.

Basically she is pretty convinced I'm trans and the path is up to me
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Quote from: Petunia on June 22, 2026, 11:19:01 PMI still don't know who/what I really am (or maybe I'm just kidding myself)

This is the part that jumped off the page for me. Before I go there,  I appreciated all the approaches others had to the wife issue. I'm loving that, too. I think she is coming around. 

It took years for me to know who I really am and I believe I needed to address the questions I had about myself first. My feelings and story over my lifetime is similar to yours. 

I've been seeing a therapist for a few months. She of course would not define my gender, but it became rapidly obvious that I am trans with period of fear/denial. 

But I'm ahead of myself. The question is, "How do we know ourselves and our gender?" 

1. I had to resolve issues from my childhood that were affecting me today. A therapist could have done this but I don't have the money for frequent therapy appointments. I utilized an inner child workbook, with some limited access to therapy. It really helped. I hadn't realized that my fairly normal childhood was fraught with issues. Be careful with your choice of books if you take this route. One popular book was written by someone opposed to LGBTQ and it want immediately obvious. 

2. I journaled extensively. I hate journaling. What worked for me was using an AI for my journaling so I could do a little less volume of writing and not worry about language rules or spelling. I could use voice to text and just ramble.  I didn't relay on it for therapy but it would reflect back and I would correct, modify, or write more. I stayed clear about my experiences, feelings, and thoughts. I found this more helpful and engaging than just writing. 

3. I next used a gender workbook (You and Tour Gender Identity was the title, I think). It was life changing. The exercises clarified my jumble of thoughts and feelings, especially when journaling with AI. I can't emphasize the value of this process enough. I had been alternating between think I was teams and wondering if I was deciding myself. Was I deluded? Was I a CD and not trans? Was I nonbinary? Was I chasing a euphoric high and thinking it was an identity? But it felt good, right. It sometimes felt like me. This book helped my stop spinning madly and establish truths. 

4. I found community. Online connections like Susan's. A local group gently titled "Genderquest" with no gate keeping. I carefully broached the subject with trusted friends and family. Often they already suspected and they immediately supported. I could breathe again. 

5. I have the fortune/misfortune of being an addict. 12 Step tools had helped me reflect on my myself and now I used this approach to understand my gender journey. I found "gender nonconforming" meetings where everyone was looking at both gender and addiction. This helped my see that I had not fully seen myself as a woman much less accepted that. 

6. Like you, I started with leaning female only in hidden ways like panties and pantyhose. I kept increasing this through barely visible changes. I found I could not turn back and didn't want to turn back. I adjusted and so did those around me. When I finally told people I was trans they smiled. They had known a long time. When I wore a skirt to work (I used to change into it in the car so I dint have to wear it at home), it felt like everyone wa thinking, "Finally! They have been obviously trans for months."

It had taken two years, but at last I knew who I was. Everyone had seen my slow, gradual changes. My outfits. My tentative pronoun changes. Ways of walking.  Barely noticeable voice work. Finally an alternate first name. 

I felt better than ever before. My last fears and doubts subsided under HRT. 

You are on a personal journey. It's no one else's journey. Not your wife's, even, though she is involved and I understand your focus on her because I did the same thing. That not wrong. What I decided is I needed to explore myself FOR MYSELF and that increased my ability to talk with my wife and to show her how I felt. 

We went to Pride together and she saw me fully dressed up out of the house for the first time. She saw my joy. She met people from trans meetings and the LGBTQ community. She heard me called Krista and even heard me introduce myself as Krista. This would have shocked and dismayed her a year ago, but she accepted it. She really saw me. 

Issues remain, but hope keeps growing. I wish the same for you, my friend. Your writing is vulnerable, honest, and inspiring. 
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Jillian-TG

Petunia if it's any consolation - you are not alone. Many of us deal with this type of situation, trying to navigate self discovery as a transgender person while coming out to a spouse and family. It's tough and it's complicated for everyone involved.

I've been married for 30 years. While my wife has known about my feminine side since day 1, we've always put it into the category of cross dressing because that was the convenient category. Using the T word is a threat to all that we know because being trans isn't something you put away in the closet like cross dressing. Being trans is something permanent and involves significant lifestyle changes.

I've known I was trans since I was 5 years old because I desperately wanted to be a girl. That's a long story and likely similar to many other trans girls.

Today my wife and I are having lots of uncomfortable conversations and she's slowly realizing who I am and that I want to "come out of the closet" and live authentic.

I know that I have to be very patient and understanding. Just as I'm asking for understanding I also have to give it.

Once the "egg" cracks we often become very impatient to change but try to be extra patient. Let your transition be slow and gradual. Being a woman isn't about short skirts and high heels. When you take it slow and limit the shock factor you give your wife a chance to digest the change.

Take it slow is the best advice I give myself and to others.
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I am gender fluid but live primarily in male mode. My wife knows about my gender identity struggles and we are navigating how to come out and be more public about me being trans.
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