How low can the press go, Killer a TS? (JonBenet Ramsey story)

[beth]

No good can come of this news,


BANGKOK, Thailand  — The suspect in the murder of American child beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey was treated at a Bangkok clinic specializing in sex-change operations and cosmetic surgery, clinic officials said Sunday.


     http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,209480,00.html

[HelenW]

I read about this and was very dismayed.  No matter what the truth is about this person,from now on for a long while all transgendered people will be child molesters and murderers in many people's eyes.

It's possible that John Karr was trying to get SRS in order to alleviate the urges he had towards children or to escape prosecution, all the wrong reasons of course, or it may just be another symptom of a unique psychosis but the damage has already been done.

I suppose it will just be another point that we'll have to educate people about.  As if we didn't have enough to work against!

helen

[Nero]

 

Nero

[Dennis]

Oh that's so not good

I suspect the guy didn't do it too and is just one of these whackos who has made a false confession. Mind you, I suspect teachers are equally unhappy with this guy.

Dennis

[Chaunte]

Oh that's so not good

I suspect the guy didn't do it too and is just one of these whackos who has made a false confession. Mind you, I suspect teachers are equally unhappy with this guy.

Dennis

Curious.  Why do you suspect that this is a flase confession?

Chaunte

[Mario]

Chaunte,
    I agree it is a false confession as well. Mainly because his story does not fit the time frame. He says he picked her up from school, mind you she was found on December 26, no school that week. And  says he drugged her, but there were no drugs found in her system. Among other things. The guy is a loon. But not innocent.
                                 Marco

[beth]

                   I cannot believe what I just heard on a cable news show. A forensic psycologist said "his seeking a sex change shows mental instability and taking hormones add to that instability"   The news has sunk to new lows, what they put out is no where near the truth on any subject.




beth

[Susan]

They are now trying to say the freak that has admitted to killing her was a transsexual, and that may have been linked to his actions. If you want to let the AP know how we feel about this blantant smear email them!

JonBenet Suspect Heads to U.S. in Style
Aug 20, 5:32 PM (ET)
By JOCELYN GECKER

As Karr wined and dined in style and chatted with the three U.S. officials escorting him, another bombshell emerged: Reports that Karr sought treatment at a Thai sex-change clinic...

...Just hours before Karr's departure, a doctor at a seedy but popular clinic in downtown Bangkok specializing in sex-change surgery said Karr had come in for treatment.

"He was one of my patients," Dr. Thep Vechavisit of the Pratunam Polyclinic said. He refused to provide further details. 
Another employee at the clinic, who spoke on condition of anonymity because she was not authorized to speak to the media, said Karr had talked with the doctor about a sex-change operation. This could not be confirmed by other sources.

Bangkok, where Karr lived on and off for two years, is regarded as a major global center for sex change operations. The Pratunam clinic advertises sex-change surgery for $1,625 - a bargain compared to U.S. prices, where male-to-female reassignment surgery can cost tens of thousands of dollars.

Thep has received considerable publicity for his male-to-female operations and the clinic is one of the sponsors of an annual beauty pageant for transsexuals in the seaside resort of Pattaya.

Karr appears to have been shadowed by gender issues since his early years, according to excerpts of e-mails published in the Rocky Mountain News that Karr wrote to University of Colorado journalism professor Michael Tracey.

Karr said his father was a "strong influence but rarely around," and responded to Tracey's question about whether his "fascination with little girls - which clearly has a strong erotic component - is a way of going back."

"Maybe I am not going back but have simply stayed consistent," Karr responded. "My peer group has not changed since I was a little boy, and girls were the people I was with always. Referring to them as a peer group is somewhat incorrect, but might also be the very definition of what they continue to be in my life." [Read More]

[BrendaQG]

It would not surprise me that this transvestic fetishist wanted SRS.  It seems correct that "Paraphilias run in groups."  I hope that they never use the word transsexual to describe that piece of crap! (I may get pilloried for this but what the heck this guy deserves it) He is an autogynephile.  Such is how the media should address him.  Not wanna be transsexual-peadophile.  He desreves much more than the "a" bomb I just dropped he deserves to be tossed feet first into a wood chipper!

It angers me that a little girl was killed.  Her mother blamed for it, untill she died of cancer.  Her father and brother suspected (i thought the bro did it).  I am angry at myself for blaming her Brother.  But I am especially angry that in the public mind transsexuals are about to be associated with another bad sterotype.  Not just the wierd fruitcake in a dress or the "chick with a dick".  At least they are harmless.  Now people will hear transsexual and think murderer!

[angelsgirl]

I also agree that no good can come of this and I also suspect that the confession is false.

Oddly enough, he reminds me of a person that Joss and I had been friends with.  He was in our circle of friends, but had this kind of bad reputation for inquiring about how to get GHB and having kiddie porn on his computer.  However, we hadn't been witness to this firsthand and it seemed to be entirely hearsay, so we gave him the benefit of the doubt. 

Shortly after Jocelyn came out to all of our friends, he came to us and told us that he feels he also is transexual and asked us to help him dress up.  At first, we were more than happy to help, but then as Jocelyn talked to him more and more, she felt that he wasn't sincere. (I'm not sure what it was precisely, she would have to tell that part of the story).

He showed up at the karaoke bar in "half-drag" (his word, not mine) to guilt us into going (we were planning on staying home that night because he never told us he was planning to go out that night, but he called us from the bar to tell us this)  because he had the idea that none of our mutual friends would say anything to him with Jocelyn present (because she is completely accepted by our group and nobody would want to offend her in the process of telling Jim to get his own life)   After that, he left women's lingerie, sex toys, and a journal about his "female self" in plain view around the apartment for his roommates to find.  Joss was really upset because she felt that he had used her and the condition that tortures her everyday of her life in order to get attention from people.

I learned that prior to this, he had been going into great detail about having auditory hallucinations and the like after making friends with a schizophrenic.

It seems like some people crave attention above all else and will go to extraordinary means in order to obtain it.  Being that a sex-change would be quite shocking to most people they use it and it is most unfortunate that these types of people are frequently giving transexuals a bad name.  The same thing with the false confessions.  Look at all the attention that Karr guy has now.  It sounds false to me, and I am greatly saddened that the real killer is still out there somewhere while some nutjob is taking the fall for him simply to satisfy a abnormally great need for attention of any kind.

[tinkerbell]

                                     


This is bad, very bad...
I'm just fed up with all this    &$%#$


tinkerbell

[HelenW]

Unfortunately this is an example of the truism that reporters write to sell papers, not necessarily to tell the truth.  Transsexuals are "exotic" and "wierd" to most of our population so their inclusion into any news story makes it all the more compelling.

I also wonder about the motives of Dr. Thep Vechavisit, who outed Karr and then refused to say more.  It seems an obvious exploitation of the story for publicity.  I suggest that we pass the word to avoid his practice at all costs.  Send a message that we will not put up with being used for other's gain. 

helen

[Elizabeth]

Susan,

I read this story on the online version of USA Today and was quite upset, for obvious reasons.  I was glad to see you post about this, had you not, I certainly would have.  The use of inuendo and pretense to discredit the transsexual community really upsets me.  I hope this Dr loses a lot of business, since giving such information out is beyond unethical and irrisponsible.  Anyways, thanks for posting.

Love always,
Elizabeth

[Leigh]

  The Pratunam clinic advertises sex-change surgery for $1,625 - a bargain compared to U.S. prices, where male-to-female reassignment surgery can cost tens of thousands of dollars.

For $1,625.00 it would have served "HIM"right.

Leigh

[tinkerbell]

As far as I know there isn't a correlation in literature between transsexualism and violence, but unfortunately reporters take advantage of situations like this to mislead those who already see us as threats......
......and talk about doctor-patient confidentiality; too bad he is not a US doctor; otherwise he would be in deep ....um....trouble....now.  


tinkerbell

[LynnER]

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I cant put what I think and feel on this into words.... and If I could I certantly would be able to post them here.........

what ever happened to journolists publishing the newes rather than createing a circus.... and what right does this Dr have doing what hes done.... Isnt it against there code of ethics?  I hope he goes out of buisness as painfuly as possable....

[stephanie_craxford]

It would be interesting to see what this alleged killer has to say about this whole sordid affair as the jury is out on this persons mental state.  I'm sure this whole issue is going to be a hot topic as soon as the tabloids get a hold of it, this could be very unpleasant to say the least.

As far as the Pratunam clinic is concerned I can only hope that they do go under and go under very quickly.  As soon as we can get the word out the better that the/a doctor and an unidentified staff member identified one of their clients/patients.  I would also hope that as soon as TS saw this revelation that they would drop this clinic like a hot potato as not only would they risk being outed by the clinic but what would stop the clinic from trying to blackmail a client with outing them.

Steph

[Shannon]

I have to agree that his confession does not hold water.  I think he is one of those wachos that wants his 15 minutes of fame and is willing to say anything just to get it.  I doubt if the authorities can get a conviction based on circumstantial evidence.  Granted he is certainly no poster child.  He is also accused of sex crimes against children in Bangkok.  People like him are the kind I like see locked away in a room and then they throw away the room.   >

Shannon 

[Shannon]

I hope that clinic does go out of business.  I don't care if it was that Doctor or one of his staff members who leaked this stuff to the press.  They should be held accountable.  The media always will put a slant on something that they do not understand and play it up that way no matter what.  They have always done this for years.  As a good example of their misrepresentation of hard facts, when there is a plane crash that makes world news, it amazes me just how many aviation experts the media gets to come out of the woodwork.  Their aviation experts know so much more than all the investigators at the crash site will ever know.  Yeah Right, sure it happened just like you said!!!!   Almost makes me want to laugh...NOT!!!    As for Mr. Karr, I don't see his confession holding water.  I think he is one of those wachos that will say and do anything just to get his 15 minutes of fame. 

Shannon

[tinkerbell]

I hope that clinic does go out of business. 
Shannon

Oh it will go down, very deeply and quickly, for it is just a matter of time.  Like Steph says, we just have to get the word around (and enjoy my addition to the sentence >)


tinkerbell