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Started by blondwidowspider, July 15, 2010, 05:46:59 PM

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hkgurl1480

Quote from: Kristyn on July 16, 2010, 09:44:22 AM
I think we've all been lucky to some extent and we should all be grateful that we don't live in a part of the world that buries people like us up to their necks and tosses stones at them.

Kristyn
We have people on this board who do live in such countries.  I admire thier courage and determination to live thier lives as they feel they should.  This usually means leaving their country, family and friends behind.

More power to those guys and girls in this unfortunate and difficult situation.


Shelly
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peggygee

Due to moving around alot when I was young, and because I come from a very large city, I don't know
anyone from my past, other than family.

I also transitioned fairly young, and have been "me" for far more years, than I was that other person.

I am a staunch advocate for stealth, at least as it regards me, though I fully understand other people's
reasons to disclose.

Compound that wiith my being post op, and I would not confide my past to someone unless I planned on
being in a relationship with them.

blondwidowspider, I truly empathize and commiserate with you, as I know how it feels to have a trust
betrayed, thus this is another reason I am loath to disclose my herstory.
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tori319

Quote from: blondwidowspider on July 15, 2010, 05:46:59 PM
Recently I had reconnected with an old high school friend of mine, actually grew up playing sports with him. We hung out a bunch of times, clearly just as friends, I thought everything was fine. He introduced me to a few of his new friends, which was awefully nice of him. One way or another, it became known to his new group of friends that I had transitioned, and basically treated me as I was a lepar afterwards. Now my friend is ignoring me completely, as if I never existed. Some friend... right?

Anyone here know people like this?

Sorry about the vent, I just had to let it out somewhere.
How old are you and how long have you been post op?
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Britney♥Bieber

I'm sorry this happened! My advice is when this type of thing happens, whether it has anything to do with your transition, just pick up and move on from the person. He obviously doesn't care enough about you and doesn't deserve your attention or care. In high school I had so many different friends and as of now I only have one person I call my friend, aside from acquaintances. She's the only one who deserves to be my friend. I'm not sure why, but I can be very cold when I need to be. I'm usually a very loving and compassionate girl but when I need to do things such as end friendships, I just do it. No matter how sad it makes me. I'm also lucky to have two sisters who are also my best friends. Another thing I want to add is, I hope my transition goes as well as yours has! You look amazing! And you're blonde!!!! :D

Julie Wilson

Quote from: blondwidowspider on July 15, 2010, 06:24:02 PM
It's no problem. I appreciate a direct response. The thing was, I didn't even tell any of his friends about the transition, so it would have had to be him.

Although, whatever. Someone like that shouldn't be worthy of being a friend anyway.


Someone like that?  In my own experience... EVERYONE is like that.  If you want to be known as a woman instead of a woman who used to be a dude then you have to stop the telling at the source, the source being you.

In my experience NOBODY can be trusted and you will always be disappointed in someone (given time and the right circumstances). 

I determined to live like a woman instead of living like someone with a secret.  It is a change in consciousness.
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K8

I don't live like someone with a secret.  I live as who I am - a person and a woman.  All of my friends, all of my family, and all of my regular acquaintances know that I used to live as a man, but all accept me as the person and the woman I am.

People I meet who didn't know me before accept me as a woman and as a person.  If they would ask if I used to be a man I would tell them that I used to have a male body but was never really a man.  I don't have secrets.  I really like living without secrets after all these years of hiding parts of me.  For me, becoming Kate meant that I could live openly as myself at last.

But we each have to deal with this to suit ourselves and our situations.  As with anything in life YMMV.

- Kate
Life is a pilgrimage.
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Julie Wilson

Quote from: K8 on August 08, 2010, 08:09:49 AM

But we each have to deal with this to suit ourselves and our situations.  As with anything in life YMMV.




In my experience this is true.  But also... I realized that people who knew my past were able to prevent me from discovering myself further.  Once I was able to get away from people who knew my past, the journey continued.
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cher_m

Hi, I'm new here and maybe my two cents aren't welcome but here goes.  I had srs in 2004 and the journey before and after has been fraught with ups and downs.  A few of the very best years of my life were experienced after transition.  So were a few of my worst.

To the OP, all I can say is I really feel for you.  He wasn't the first friend who'll hurt you and he won't be the last.  He was certainly a jerk and doesn't deserve you for a friend.  You know that.  You'll keep telling yourself that for every friend, past, present and future who'll betray your trust.  I only hope you have a network of supporting friends and family in whom you CAN trust.  Do anything you can to hold on to that.  You won't be able to bear the pain without them.

As far as the best advice?  A few years ago, I'd have recommended not telling anyone but maybe a prospective lover and I'd have been adamant about it.  Now, I'm not so sure.  One of my more recent experiences was my participation in a predominantly male dominated activity.  I belonged to that group for two years before someone discovered my "secret."  In spite of being very popular in the group and well liked, one person did some searching on the internet.  In spite of my best efforts to not reveal anything through social networking and personally identifiable information, someone had enough suspicion to "investigate."  You just can't run from public record.  The pull away from me was palpable.  The friendly kiss_on_the_cheek greetings ceased.  All conversations became awkward.  The pervasive fear of impending physical harm was more than I could bear.  I left the group without incident a few weeks later.

The point is, in this day and age, it may be unreasonable to expect pure stealth.  Especially with the popularity of social online networking and readily available public record.  I think there is a good and valid argument that one should try and forge as many friendships as possible.  To withhold your "secret" is to project a dishonesty in the eyes of many.  I think it unjustified, but it matters little.  People will think what they will with or without righteous justification.  Yet, I still find it difficult to bring myself to divulge my past.  Somehow it seems like that simple act alone nullifies being a woman.

For me, it's a trade off.  Do I sever all ties with my past (most of that was kindly provided by my loved ones) and provide myself the best chance for a successful transition?  Or, do I try to hedge my bets by taking satisfaction in the physical aspects of transition and openly pronouncing, "I'm a transsexual?"  This is what I've discovered to be an unspoken, unexpected and undesired reality about transition.  I'm not sure what the answer is, but I will say this... living without a stable and reliable social network is the most unimaginable pain one can endure.  I contend it's even worse than the pain of gender dysphoria because at the heart of our transition we desire above all else, that people accept and love us for who we are.  It is the hope of that that keeps us working toward transition.

How we achieve that social network is uniquely our own path.  No one should   fault you for doing what you have to to meet that end.  My sincere best wishes.

Cher
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Quote from: blondwidowspider on July 15, 2010, 05:46:59 PM
Recently I had reconnected with an old high school friend of mine, actually grew up playing sports with him. We hung out a bunch of times, clearly just as friends, I thought everything was fine. He introduced me to a few of his new friends, which was awefully nice of him. One way or another, it became known to his new group of friends that I had transitioned, and basically treated me as I was a lepar afterwards. Now my friend is ignoring me completely, as if I never existed. Some friend... right?

Anyone here know people like this?

Sorry about the vent, I just had to let it out somewhere.

wow Story of My life hunny.
I never try to pursue friend relationships with men for this reason.
They all (at least here in Detroit) are amazing and great men to my face, then treat me like a sideshow attraction with their friends.
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