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Why Are Any Women Still Catholic?

Started by meh, July 21, 2010, 05:16:46 PM

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meh

Ok one more for today...

"The Catholic Church has issued a declaration which puts "female ordination in same category of crime under church law as clerical sex abuse of minors.

But think about that one: Ordaining a woman is now in the same category as raping a little boy."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/15/vatican-attempted-ordination-women-grave-crime

Phil Ferguson has written a brief but straight-forward letter to the women who remain in the Catholic Church.

You must now realize that you will never hold the same status as men; you will never be seen as an equal. It is time for you to stand up for yourself. It is time to take your money from the people that are holding you down. It is time for you to show your strength. It is time to use your feet and walk away from the Catholic Church. It is time to take your family, your spouse, your children and leave. If not for you, then do it for your daughters and sons. It is time for you to stand up and break the cycle.


http://www.skepticmoney.com/open-letter-to-the-women-of-the-catholic-church/

via: http://friendlyatheist.com/2010/07/21/why-are-any-women-still-catholic/
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rejennyrated

yeah good luck with that.

Faith and tribal loyalty are very powerful forces otherwise most of the worlds religions would have run into the dirt a long time back.

My guess is that the catholic church will continue unchanged.
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meh

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lisagurl

Not everyone wants the same culture. I find most American culture vulgar and does not offer quality of life.
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confused

same reason most people stay in a religion , that it was enforced to them as children . religions invented the word "believe" which basically mean to think that something is true even though all evidence say otherwise
if you think about it , relatively few people convert between religions , the majority just believe whatever was implemented in their minds as kids
i can't imagine how anybody havn't noticed yet that most religions consider women as second class humans , which is merely because in the old times when religions started it was a pretty physical world , where the physically stronger rules (i.e. not really from 'God')
meh , the world somehow is still controlled by men anyway  :(
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meh

Not sure what this has to do with stamping out cultures...

The majority of Americans (76%) identify themselves as Christians. America is one of the most religious countries in the world. I wonder if that has anything to do with how vulgar our culture is ;p

Actually our culture is pretty tame compared to some Islamic countries. Not talking about "porno graphic" pop-culture, but the rights of humans in general.

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confused

american culture in fact is admirable , and different . emphasis on freedom is what i like best about that culture plus the variety of ethnisities which took part in forming that culture
and being someone who lives in an islamic country i think most of the world have generally a lot more human rights than we do lol
although to be completely honest , and i'm not religious ,i don't think religion is the problem here , it's people/fear
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Calistine

I get the impression by your posts that you are pretty anti-christian.
Some women strongly believe if their religion. I think though if they are being treated this way, they probably don't have enough self respect to leave a corrupt church that looks down on them because they are very faithful to their god, and theyd rather be treated like crap than burn in hell.
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meh

Not just Christian, I'm anti all religions. It's just that 80ish% of the population here is Christian so that is what I get to deal with on a regular basis.
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FairyGirl

these organized corporate religions are all about perpetuating themselves, not any message of God. They long ago lost any belief in God, they only believe in the trappings of their religions. God to them is a church decoration.

And last I checked, the Vatican was in Rome, not America.
Girls rule, boys drool.
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justmeinoz

I never could understand the logic of having a woman able to be a Saint, but not a Priest. (But then I am Anglican anyway!!)
"Don't ask me, it was on fire when I lay down on it"
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lisagurl

QuoteNot talking about "porno graphic" pop-culture, but the rights of humans in general

You are confusing Government given rights with morals and beliefs. Rights are man made. Culture has developed to survive under local conditions.
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meh

What explanation could be needed for the fact that people naturally pursue human interests and thus relate laws and institutions to human concerns.

Morality, emerges from humanity because it exists to serve humanity. Normal human beings share the same basic survival and growth needs. We all belong to the same species and reproduce our own kind. So it should come as no surprise to anyone that we can have common interests and concerns.

Most normal human beings respond with similar feelings of compassion to like events. Our values are not all based on simple individual self-interest or egoism. There are clear cases in which our self-interest would not be served by, say, helping a suffering animal, and yet we often respond to such a situation and applaud others who do likewise. These normal compassionate responses repeatedly crop up in our literature, institutions, and laws. Thus it is clear that our morals are in large part a product of our common emotional responses, thereby allowing us to propose improvements in those morals by making appeals to the feelings of others.

The rules of logic and evidence apply equally well to everyone, and so we have a common means of arguing cases and discussing issues — a means that allows us to compare notes and come to agreement in areas as varied as science, law, and history. We can use reason and observation as a "court of appeal" when setting forth opposing viewpoints.

For these and other reasons, it should not appear strange that human beings can find common ground on the issue of moral values without having to appeal to, or even have knowledge of, a divine set of rules.

In fact, ironically, once religiously based rules are brought into any dispute, especially if there is more than one religious view present, the more the religious arguments are used the less agreement there is. This is because many religiously and theologically based values do not relate to each other or the actual human condition or the science of the world. Such values are said to come from a "higher" source. And so, when these "higher" sources disagree with each other or with human nature, there is no way to adjudicate the dispute, because the point of reference is based upon a unique faith-commitment to something invisible, not to a common range of experience.

It is theological values, then, and not human-oriented values, that are the most baseless. For, with theological values, an arbitrary leap of faith must be taken at some point. And once that arbitrary leap has been taken, all values so derived are as arbitrary as the leap of faith that made them possible.

Excerpt shamelessly taken from Fred Edwords. He sums this up better than I ever could. For other interesting topics check out: http://www.americanhumanist.org/who_we_are/about_humanism/
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Zack

London are carrying adverts on buses regarding this issue during the Popes visit in September.
I can't see it changing anything, personally.

This..... "female ordination in same category of crime under church law as clerical sex abuse of minors." is ridiculous though. Along with other ridiculous statements/'rules'/etc in most religions and one of many reasons why I'm an Atheist and always will be.
"Politics is the art of controlling your environment."

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