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Started by karmatic1110, February 07, 2007, 09:28:00 PM

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karmatic1110

OK so for the last 2 days my GID has pretty much vanished.  This has happened a few times in the past and I just wanted to get some input.  It seems that it tends to go away when everything else is going perfect.  Now when I say goes away, it is still in the very deepest depths of my mind, but it doesn't surface. So I hope someone can relate.  I would also like to say that this forum has been not only the most informative and supportive place in dealing with transition, but you all have been amazing.  Thank you so much as I am forever grateful for all of the advice I have received up to this point and in the future.

Charlotte

cindianna_jones

Listen, kiddo, if you can keep it at bay, run, don't walk, run away from this thing.  Live a normal life.

Yes, your therapist will think the same thing.  You obviously feel this.  I don't want to introduce any more doubt into your mind, but this thing ain't all what its cracked up to be.  If there is any way to avoid it, I believe you should try it.

Cindi
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karmatic1110

Well the thing is, I have done that in the past, and it always gets much worse and I regret not doing it.  I am not saying that I really have doubts, but I was just wondering if at some times the GID lessened.

Charlotte

Suzy

I would not make any decisions based on only 2 days.  I agree that no one should want this.  But it varies in intensity for me, and others her have told me the same thing.  Just enjoy not dealing with it if you can, and see what happens.

Best wishes!
Kristi
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tinkerbell

*It* NEVER goes away; *it* may become dormant for a few days, weeks, months, and even years, but when *it* comes back, *it* does so with a vengeance!


tinkerbell :icon_chick:
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karmatic1110

Quote from: Tinkerbell on February 07, 2007, 09:55:53 PM
*It* NEVER goes away; *it* may become dormant for a few days, weeks, months, and even years, but when *it* comes back, *it* does so with a vengeance!


tinkerbell :icon_chick:

I think I should have phrased it better.  By go away I meant not apparent.  I know you understood that, but I wanted to clarify for future posters.  I pretty much have my answer as I just wanted to know if it did become dormant for a time in others.

Charlotte

cindianna_jones

Yes, dear.  If you've got it, it never goes away. It never ends, it never dies, it never stops.

I hope you DON'T have it. But that's up to you.

Cindi
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Ms Bev

Just my own point of view, but many times I hear people refer to their gender identity as 'it', as though 'it' were a condition.  Again, just my opinion, but I never did consider my part of the gender curve to be a condition.  It's just who I am, just as others are male, androgyne, and bi, straight, gay, lesbian.  I tell myself (not you), just be yourself.  On the other hand, I'm careful, because the majority of the population occupies the greatest part of the 'normal' male/female heterosexual curve, and don't see 'it' that way. 
Anyway, I am who I am, and see no reason to justify 'it'.
Good luck
1.) If you're skating on thin ice, you might as well dance. 
Bev
2.) The more I talk to my married friends, the more I
     appreciate  having a wife.
Marcy
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passiflora

Hi Charlotte, your concrens and questions are very valid and I think most of us have dealt with the same thing. Everyone here has said some very good things, so I really don't have anything else new to say, but I can re-itterate what they have said.

What you are feeling is very normal, this is why a lot of TS's are able to finish school, get married, have children, then when they are 40, it comes raisng to the surface, just like everyone else has said it does not go away, but becomes dormat for various reasons. Its these reasons that you have to work on. Thats why in my opion, when we go through theraphy we need to be working on more than just the GID thing. Many of us actually have many more emotional problems besides the GID, that may or may not be a direct result of the GID.

Okay now I'm not saying this to discourage you in anyway, nor am I doubting you in anyway, I just want to to be clear on what your motivations are, so you are actually in a good position right now. Tell your theraoist about your feelings, talk about everything that is going on in your life and everthing that has happened to you in your life, and try and seoerate everything that is related to GID and everything that is not.

When I was in theraphy, my therapist did a really neat thing. She had me start from the begining and right out my entire life, from birth all the way up to graduating high school, what was happeneing with me, my activities, my interactions, my insecurties, everything. Then she put all that on poster boards, and laid them all out and at my sessions, we would go through them a year at a time, and we began to seperate issuees in my life that were actually caused by GID, and issues that were actually caused by something else, and she would keep track of those events and feelings, that would sort of create a fork in te road, and at the end she was able to tell what issues, events and actions came back to being about GID. It was really a good expereince for me, it was sort of like watching my happen before my eyes, and being disconected from it like that I was really able to think about things. Maybe you could suggest this project to your therapist.

What this excersice was able to do, is seperate issues, to determine if in all actually I was just suffering from other problems that for one reason or another were manifesting into GID, and making me think that my life would be better and I would be more emotionally secure as a girl. There are a lot of personality disorders and emotional problems that will sometims cause enough psychosis, that it makes someone think they they are transsexual. Thats why it is good to deal with your whole psyche, when you are in theraphy, just to get everything out in the open, and deal with it all, then you can start to figure out what you are feeling and what is best for you.

You will be able to figure all this out, just keep working at it, and don't be afraid to explore all your issues and all your options.

-pass-
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karmatic1110

What triggered these doubts in me happened as a result of a support group I attended and the fact that my girlfriend and I had such an amazing day yesterday. 

The support group ended up with only two other people who were much older than I.  Their focus seemed to be more on the clothing aspect, yet they proclaimed TS.  Now I am not doubting them, but it did make me think.  I can honestly say that while clothing is nice, it is not at all as important as these two seemed to make it to me at least.  I was never a habitual crossdresser and that behavior was limited to maybe 4 times in my life.  I think the support group did more harm than good.  I feel as though I would have been much better off with at least one other person my age. 

As far as the day with my girlfriend... We went shopping and I ended up being her fashion consultant.  As a matter of fact, she is sending me to Boston this week with a ton of money to buy her a new wardrobe because she likes my taste so much and I know what is in style.  After that we headed to her work and I spent time with the girls at the dance studio while watching them practice for recital.  Again the girls and my girlfriend and I had a blast.  They are very open and comfortable with me and don't look at me as having a "guy" in the room.

So here is where I get caught up.  The GID was dormant, BUT was it because the entire day I was treated at least on some level as a girl or was it that the perceived gender issues only trigger when I am in a bad mood.  I suppose its a chicken or the egg situation.  While writing this post I think I can see a clearer picture.  I hadn't thought of the shopping for women's clothes and the dance studio as anything but NORMAL and I was so very relaxed and happy the entire day.  I guess I felt like I was being closer to my true self as I let my guard down and had a beautiful day.  If the inner peace I had yesterday was any indication of what it to come then I am very excited :)  I suppose I just answered my own question but I will post this regardless.

Thank you everyone for replying! 

Charlotte

BrandiOK

  It is VERY common for people with GID to have experiences like you mentioned Charlotte.  I myself had periods where I went long periods of time "content" in the male role.  The problem was these times were more a case of me reverting back to social roles I had been so accustomed too rather than an accurate depiction of who I was underneath.  In each case my gender identity issues came crashing back, usually stronger than ever.  There was finally a point in my life where I was forced to accept that I was different and there was no way to change that. 

  Does this mean this is the case with you? No, but if it is you need to understand that this is not something that will ever go away.  Work with a qualified gender therapist and find your truth. 

  As for your experience with the "support group" just take that with a grain of salt.  If you follow this path you will see that there are a lot of people out there who confuse being transsexual with enjoying wearing clothes of the opposite sex.  You are going to see a lot of very strange people who claim to be TS.  There is an inherant danger in self-diagnosis of any kind and it's obvious in some of these "support groups".  Take the good with the bad......
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Kate

Quote from: charlotteNH on February 08, 2007, 10:47:02 AM
The support group ended up with only two other people who were much older than I.  Their focus seemed to be more on the clothing aspect, yet they proclaimed TS.

Groups vary. In the dozen or so group sessions I've attended (with other clients of my therapist), we've *never* talked about clothing, makeup, or anything like that. We talk about issues like how best to deal with an unaccepting family, employment issues, and so on. Most of us know each other now, so it's more like, "So is your sister talking to you yet?" That sorta thing. Kinda like Susan's, in a way. And incidentally - they're all in their 40s and 50s, and all dressed... blah, lol. Jeans. Sneakers or loafers. They're also all a few YEARS into HRT and transition.

So... it varies. You get all kinds of groups. Generic groups tend to mix in CDs and TSs, while therapists often seperate the groups they run.

Kate
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Kelly-47

Quote from: BrandiOK on February 08, 2007, 11:47:43 AM
  It is VERY common for people with GID to have experiences like you mentioned Charlotte.  I myself had periods where I went long periods of time "content" in the male role.  The problem was these times were more a case of me reverting back to social roles I had been so accustomed too rather than an accurate depiction of who I was underneath.  In each case my gender identity issues came crashing back, usually stronger than ever.  There was finally a point in my life where I was forced to accept that I was different and there was no way to change that. 

Same here.

Since my first realization that my brain and body are out of sync, 27 years ago, I have been doing my best to suppress it. But, it just won't go away! It will for awhile to varying degrees, but then it comes raging back, usually wreaking havoc when it does. The reasons for suppressing where very noble too, my children. I made a choice to become a parent, I have an obligation to them...but it just keeps coming back shattering my life when it does. It's as if I am going to repeatedly have my face pushed into the big smelly pile until I get it.

At the risk of being overly dramatic, I am 47 years old and am currently about as low as you can get. I'm not looking for simpathy, I take full responsibility and accept my reality.

My point is you have to do what ever you can NOW, you have to deal with this thing NOW, you have a very long life ahead of you...minimize your risk of regret down the road.

Quotes (paraphrased):

"you will regret more the thing you didn't do, than the things you did" -Mark Twain (?)

"I fear regret more than failure." - Thomas Edison

Whatever your path is to be, figure it out now, and then seize, embrace, live, and enjoy.

Kelly
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karmatic1110

Quote from: Kate on February 08, 2007, 01:10:57 PM
Quote from: charlotteNH on February 08, 2007, 10:47:02 AM
The support group ended up with only two other people who were much older than I.  Their focus seemed to be more on the clothing aspect, yet they proclaimed TS.

Groups vary. In the dozen or so group sessions I've attended (with other clients of my therapist), we've *never* talked about clothing, makeup, or anything like that. We talk about issues like how best to deal with an unaccepting family, employment issues, and so on. Most of us know each other now, so it's more like, "So is your sister talking to you yet?" That sorta thing. Kinda like Susan's, in a way.

I may have exaggerated the clothing aspect, but that is the only thing that stuck out in my head at the time of the post.  We did speak of personal matters, but due to the low attendance, it was harder to keep the conversation going without getting sidetracked or overexplaining it seemed.

I have made sense of these feelings since the first post, and I have to say that I am pleased.  The GID went dormant once we started shopping yesterday for clothes for my girlfriend.  That and other little things leads me to believe that it didn't "go away" but that I felt very comfortable and at peace with myself.  Further evidence of this theory is that after my girlfriend and I parted ways until evening, I started to feel the GID slapping me in the face until I visited my girlfriend and continued to do things that are normally associated with female behavior in an enviornment that lends to that assumption.

I am going to stop myself here as I feel like I am playing a game of Clue.  "It was Charlotte with a pair of stillettos, at the mall" if you get my drift.

Charlotte   

passiflora

Quote"It was Charlotte with a pair of stillettos, at the mall" if you get my drift.

yes this is a very good frame of mind, just be careful with those stillettos. I always wanted to wear them, but always felt self conscious because of my height. I'm 5'9'', add those 3-4" heels and I'm over 6 feet. Now I don't wear them, becuase I have sort of a boyish girl type look, and it does'nt fit my style, and its to bad, becuase some of them are so pretty, I so envy the girls that can pull them off.

-pass-
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karmatic1110

Yes I totally agree.  I plan on wearing boots with one inch heels and long pants so it appears that my height is attributed to higher heels.  I think those and flats will be my shoe of choice. 

Charlotte

passiflora

Charlotte, I no what you mean by the clothing thing at the support group, and it does happen, but like others have said, some groups will be heavily mixed, and some may lean towards more of a social group, just keep looking and I am sure eventually you will find your place.

But as far as the clothing thing goes, I think one reason that the importance of clothing may have been so apparent, is because on a trivial social level, clothing becomes a huge determinant in gender, and a lot of the times, regardless of physical presecence and characteristcs, one can acheive desired gendering through clothing. When we first begin our trantion, everything is so far away, and as the HRT is slow to start working, and for many the possibilty of FFS, or SRS is so far out there, that we feel like we need to do something to start being that girl that we are, and on the surface clothing does this, even if its not actually crating the proper gendering all the time, in reality, in our minds its putting us closer to being that girl that we are inside. I guess we feel that its is sort of a pro-active step toward our transformation. 

I know when I was in the support groups, I noticed the same things, and at first I was taken aback, becuase some of them, I thought were dressed pretty outlandishly, but I also realized that many of these people like me had also been bottled up their whole lives and this meeting gave them the chance to feel like they were doing something to remmedy the problem. Now true, there are many diffrebnt types with many diffrent motivations at the support groups, but at first just give everyone a chance, and eventually you will find what you need.

-pass-
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karmatic1110

Quote from: passiflora on February 09, 2007, 09:16:50 AM
Charlotte, I no what you mean by the clothing thing at the support group, and it does happen, but like others have said, some groups will be heavily mixed, and some may lean towards more of a social group, just keep looking and I am sure eventually you will find your place.

But as far as the clothing thing goes, I think one reason that the importance of clothing may have been so apparent, is because on a trivial social level, clothing becomes a huge determinant in gender, and a lot of the times, regardless of physical presecence and characteristcs, one can acheive desired gendering through clothing. When we first begin our trantion, everything is so far away, and as the HRT is slow to start working, and for many the possibilty of FFS, or SRS is so far out there, that we feel like we need to do something to start being that girl that we are, and on the surface clothing does this, even if its not actually crating the proper gendering all the time, in reality, in our minds its putting us closer to being that girl that we are inside. I guess we feel that its is sort of a pro-active step toward our transformation. 

I know when I was in the support groups, I noticed the same things, and at first I was taken aback, becuase some of them, I thought were dressed pretty outlandishly, but I also realized that many of these people like me had also been bottled up their whole lives and this meeting gave them the chance to feel like they were doing something to remmedy the problem. Now true, there are many diffrebnt types with many diffrent motivations at the support groups, but at first just give everyone a chance, and eventually you will find what you need.

-pass-

I firmly agree, and I do believe that this support group has potential, however the low attendance made it hard to judge.  I  am going to attend monthly into the warmer months as the weather seemed to affect how many showed up.  My therapist has been fantastic, and the least I can do is show up at this point.  I think once we get a more diverse crowd, that we will get so much more accomplished as it opens up discussion on a much broader range of topics.

Charlotte

Kate

Quote from: charlotteNH on February 09, 2007, 09:23:27 AM
I think once we get a more diverse crowd, that we will get so much more accomplished as it opens up discussion on a much broader range of topics.

My therapist actually suggests a session topic weeks in advance of each meeting, such as "What does it take to face the unknown on the journey towards womanhood?" This way we can all be pondering things a bit beforehand, and helps to give is a focus for each discussion. We first do a quick "Anything big happen to you since the last meeting?" catch-up with everyone, then go into the meeting topic. It seems to work pretty well.

Kate
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karmatic1110

That is actually a very good idea.  I will see how the next group goes and then possibly suggest it if I feel it would be appropriate.  I have a feeling next meeting will go rather well and at that point, I will have a bit more to add myself, as I will be farther along in transition. 

Charlotte